Pats Cheating Comfirmed
 

According to the report, the league sources say the NFL determined 11 of the 12 footballs used by the Patriots were under-inflated by two pounds per square inch each. Per NFL rules, footballs are required to be inflated between 12.5 and 13.5 PSI and weigh between 14 and 15 ounces.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/1/2...bill-belichick

Discuss.

Don't care to be honest.

Who give a shit. I bet the grass was an inch to tall.

The New England Patriots had 11 of their 12 allotted game footballs under-inflated by 2 pounds of air (PSI) as required by NFL regulations, according to league sources either involved or familiar with the investigation of Sunday's AFC championship game when the Patriots beat the Colts 45-7 to advance to their sixth Super Bowl.

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The Patriots had 11 of their 12 game footballs under-inflated by 2 pounds of air as required by NFL regulations during the AFC championship game against the Colts, according to league sources.
"We are not commenting at this time," said Greg Aiello, the NFL's senior vice president of communications.

Troy Vincent, the league's senior executive vice president of football operations, said earlier Tuesday that the NFL expected to wrap up its investigation in "two or three days."

Yet to be determined is what, if any, penalties may be imposed upon Patriots. One source described the league as "disappointed ... angry ... distraught," after spending considerable time on the findings earlier Tuesday.

Part of the investigation that still needs further vetting is how the 11 footballs became under-inflated. The game balls provided to each team for preparation were required to be inspected and approved by referee Walt Anderson two hours and 15 minutes before kickoff before they were returned to each team. No alteration of footballs is allowed once they are approved, under league rules and regulations.

The balls are required be inflated between 12.5 and 13.5 pounds per square inch and weigh between 14 and 15 ounces.

I'm shocked that the Pats were found guilty as usual.

What was wrong with the thread we already had on this topic?

yawn.

Who gives a flying ****.

Kick the pats out of the super bowl


for the lulz

And were still the Chuefs.

I guess I care if teams are altering footballs.

meh. Wouldn't both teams have had the advantage?

i just dont get if all the balls were under inflated

1) why does this help JUST the pats

2) why did the refs not spot it before the game

3) why did the refs not spot it the hundred times they touched the balls

4) how does this help the pats and hurt the colts simultaneously




It just seems like they prepared the balls and the refs checked them and game on....

What am i missing

I don't see how they were cheating. Tom Brady had to throw the same deflated football that Andrew Luck did, right?

No, as I understand it each team uses the balls they bring

Colts inflated
Pats deflated

Pats advantage

If it's intentional deflation it's because they think the Patriots are better prepared to play with deflated balls.

Liiiike how some guys run better on turf.

Not that I buy any of that, but I can't throw a properly inflated ball.

I hope it was some towel boy or pot head playing a huge practical joke.

Edit: I didn't realize they keep their own balls. Then, um, yah. No bueno.

ESPN said each team use their own balls.

The reason it was caught was after an interception the colts defender told the coach or equip guy who told gm who told officiating who checked the pats balls

It would have went unnoticed otherwise

Banish them to the CFL for three years.

LAWL

wtf

i heard the home team provided all 12 balls

**** it


**** the pats

It's hard to believe there are so many people who don't/didn't know this.

I'm shocked the officials don't control the game balls

There's not really any reason the average football fan needs to know who supplies the ****ing footballs.

That's interesting. I can't confirm but I am almost sure that ISNT what they said a couple of days ago.

TOTALLY

BUNCH OF MORONS

exactly

I still dont see what ****ing difference it makes

if the refs checked their balls and handled the balls every snap

ffs

I bet most of us think it's stupid that the NFL doesn't just provide the balls.

The refs inspected the balls 2+ hours before the game, in that time the patriots let the air out of 11 of their game balls. That is the problem.

The patriots probably listen to the other teams locker rooms and headsets

How have you not understood that the Pats and Colts were using different balls? You've not caught onto that part yet?

Yeah, if you go look at the first couple pages of the other thread, there's some links to the rule book that state that the home team provides the balls.

Wonder if there's even an established punishment.

Wonder if this will spark a rules change.

i now have

but that isnt what they were saying yesterday or even this morning


I still think the refs are to blame for letting the balls in play....according to the rules

this

Same as in college and high school and junior high and...

Refs verified equipment prior to the game, after which time the patriots altered it

And I'm sure that the fans of those levels of the sport don't know or care where the ****ing footballs come from.

Damn 2 lbs psi under minimum specs is quiet a bit. There isnt much volume in a football so I would think compared to a car tire it would be like 5 to 8 lbs under inflated. Why the ref that spots the ball before each snap wouldn't notice this? I know 2 lbs doesn't seem much but I thing it is. When I get home tomorrow sounds like a good experiment. Inflate my football to 14 lbs then deflate to 12 see if its noticeable.

Were the deflated balls easier for LeGarrette Blount to handle? (nttiawwt)

I call bs....ball boys on the field...experienced line judges who handle balls on a continuous basis didn't notice, yet a LB catches an INT and figures it out?

Face it NFL...the Patriots are Just that WElLL COACHED,....

You can't help but be all jealous of a team who keeps plugging in guys year in and year out and continue to win when it matters most. When it's Denver cheating its ok because you aren't trying unless you do...but now we care?

yes and the deflated balls made it easier for the Pats to tackle but the colts defenders fell over like bowling pins

what a ****ing joke, seriously

so many cry babies...

its unreal

its like what...15% or so?

You call bullshit? Sounds like it was confirmed. I'm not sure how something that is confirmed cheating is bullshit ... ?

Of course the Pats are a great team ... that's why it's so ridiculous they keep cheating.

Chicken or the egg

Are they great because they cheated?

Well the thing is, the Pats didn't know they were going to end up rolling right over Indy when they screwed with the balls. Saying that it doesn't matter since they blew them out is like saying it doesn't matter that I drove home shitfaced drunk since I didn't kill anybody along the way.

just stupid.

First. NFL should be the ones that supplies the footballs.

Secondly, even if the NFL doesn't, then the balls checked should be checked during the anthem or like 10mins before kickoff.

Just dumb.

Thats the main thing I wanna know. Did the refs check the balls like they were supposed to do? Did the Pats alter them after that?

you have a point...

and if walt anderson comes out and says he DID check the balls and they were legit 2 hours before the game...

I will agree the pats ought to be punished

but if the refs let the balls pass as-is....

then its on them

this x 11tybizillion

Yes. Referees place the ball....you trying to tell me a LB
has a better feel for the ball than a line judge who handles the football a thousand times a season can't?

That's not going to stop them from messing with them once the game starts.

Thing is. The balls air pressure only makes it easier to catch. The ball can still be defended. Still be intercepted. Ball can still be stripped. Ball carrier still be tackled.

It gave the pats a slight advantage.. shouldn't be punished to harshly

this is what doesnt make sense....

the refs handle it every snap......

so weird

No idea, man...other than officials aren't really catching many balls from Tom Terrific

It wouldn't have changed the outcome of the game. Even knowing this, the Pats should still go to the Super Bowl.

But I have no respect whatsoever for a team that would do that and surprised some people are okay with the Pats doing this.

Yeah, but it would be as easy. I mean.. how hard is it to mess with them 2 hrs pregame? NFL should just be the main ball handlers at all times

So if I just drink a little bit past .08 and drive anyways, I'm just breaking the law a little bit so if I kill someone just a tad it's ok cuz I barely broke the law

I can't believe people don't think this is a big deal..

Anyway, for anyone that isn't a complete idiot, what should the punishment be? After Spygate it's gotta be pretty steep, yes?

Did you drive home shitfaced?

Every QB on the roster has to be replaced with Matt Cassel

you think deflating balls is the same extremity as driving influenced, but not getting caught?

I would understand if the pats were somehow spiking the other teams drinks or giving themselves ped in their drink that it would compare in terms of "extremes" but deflated balls? c'mon son.

I'm not Ok with them tampering balls AFTER a check.

I am perfectly OK with them preparing 36 balls (as per the NFL rules I read for outdoor games) and letting the refs inspect them...and if they clear the balls, game on...if not, adjust inflation etc...


It all depends on WHEN the tampering was done IMO.


If they prepared balls like EVERY team does, and the refs OK'd the balls...then its on the refs...not the PATS i.m.o.

If they tampered with them after the check.....thats different story....

I swear there is a mistake in this reporting....because they shouldve prepared 36 balls and set aside 12 for just kicking

according to the rule blurb earlier in thread...

nothing makes sense

it really doesn't make sense.

HEY I SAID I DIDN'T KILL ANYONE GODDAMNIT

Yeah...I dont agree that it should be a slap on the wrist. It doesnt matter if it was just a slight advantage. Cheating is cheating.

Since we cant follow Clay's wonderful suggestion and ban them to the CFL for three years, I say fine the hell out of them and take away some major top end draft picks. They have a history, ya know.

Also, officially put the asterisk to their SB wins.

I think the point is... it's one thing to get pulled over and you accidentally had a tail light out. It's another to get pulled over knowing you did something wrong.

It doesn't sound like the Pats can play the innocent card here. It seems like they knew they were breaking the rules and did it anyway. And this would be a much smaller deal if they weren't repeat offenders.

Yep on all dat

In Roger Goodell's wonderful world of "eeny meeny miney penalize" that will never happen. If I'm the Saints, I demand that any coaches with knowledge of this be suspended for several games next season.

Consider the matter settled.

3 First Rounders, Belichick banished from NFL for life, $10 million fine.

wait they discovered this at half-time

http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/01/20/new...-investigation

http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/01/20/new...-investigation

yeah i understand.. but i've watched seahags purposely go for niner oline/dline guys knees.. and nothing is done about it.. not a big deal but pats are the worst cheaters haha always gettin caught

Here is another angle...

sudden cold can cause deflation of 20% PSI (warm inside air, inflated...then taken outside)

13-14 PSI

minus 20% (2.6-2.8)

=

11ish PSI

:drool:

Didn't happen to the colts, they must use cheap balls in New England

It was 17-7 at halftime, and then the Patriots scored 21 points in the third to go up 38-7. Maybe it was the Colts who deflated the balls in the first half.

It was 50 degrees outside though.

wjat was the psi of the colts balls at the time of the check and then at half time?

now the question is.. did the colts suffer loss of PSI? i imagine most balls under go deflation throughout a game