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Hammock Parties 04-11-2015 10:56 AM

Doctors will attempt a head transplant
 
It's exactly what it sounds like.

http://www.businessinsider.com/valer...nsplant-2015-4

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In a procedure that would be nothing short of revolutionary, a 30-year-old Russian man has volunteered to be the first to have his head transplanted onto another human body.

In an interview with Russia Today, Valery Spiridonov, the volunteer, explained that he has a rare muscle condition called Werdnig-Hoffmann disorder, aka spinal muscular atrophy, which causes one's muscles to waste away and has no known cure.

He believes the surgery could help prolong his life and also be a huge boon for scientific research.

"I'm very interested in technology, and anything progressive that might change people's lives for the better," Spiridonov told RT. "Doing this isn't only an excellent opportunity for me, but will also create a scientific basis for future generations, no matter what the actual outcome of the surgery is."

The operation will reportedly last up to 36 hours and cost an estimated $11 million. The entire procedure will require the assistance of around 150 doctors and nurses. RT also reports that the whole operation will be orchestrated by Dr. Sergio Canavero, a renowned neurosurgeon and director of the Turin Advanced Neuromodulation Group in Turin, Italy.

Dr. Canavero explained this procedure — called "HEAVEN," an acronym for "head anastomosis venture" — in a TedX talk in December, embedded here.

Spiridonov's new body will be taken from "a brain-dead but otherwise healthy donor," and Spiridonov's brain will be cooled down to between 50 and 60 degrees Fahrenheit to prolong the time brain cells can survive without oxygen. The spinal cord will be cut with a special scalpel that's especially sharp, and the head will be reconnected to the new body and spinal cord with "a special biological glue."

Once the operation is finished, Spiridonov will be put into a coma for around three to four weeks to prevent any movement, and he will be given immunosuppressents so his body doesn't reject the new head.

Though this surgery could be a major breakthrough in science, some doctors believe there are too many risks involved in such a long, complicated, and dangerous procedure. Dr. Hunt Batjer, president-elect of the American Association for Neurological Surgeons, told CNN, "I would not wish this on anyone ... I would not allow anyone to do it to me as there are a lot of things worse than death."

Still, Spiridonov says he is aware of the risks. He believes this will do more good than harm.

"This technology is similar to the first man to walk in space," he told RT. "This is because in the future it will help thousands of people who are in an even more deplorable state than I am."

Dr. Canavero hopes to complete the head transplant operation on Spiridonov in 2017.

WeathermanKumke 04-11-2015 11:04 AM

Couldn't end up worse than Matt Cassel's QB play

alnorth 04-11-2015 11:05 AM

Thats pretty cool. He very likely won't survive the surgery and he probably knows that, but medical science could learn a lot from the attempt.

Hammock Parties 04-11-2015 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 11430656)
medical science could learn a lot from the attempt.

"So the operation failed, but we learned that you can't ****ing put someone's head on another person's body."

WeathermanKumke 04-11-2015 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Numbah One (Post 11430658)
"So the operation failed, but we learned that you can't ****ing put someone's head on another person's body."

I'm surprised Medevil times didn't prove this with Kings.

http://gfycat.com/BriskImmaterialFluke

Mr. Laz 04-11-2015 11:10 AM

Head transplant or body transplant?

GloucesterChief 04-11-2015 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 11430656)
Thats pretty cool. He very likely won't survive the surgery and he probably knows that, but medical science could learn a lot from the attempt.

Considering his condition basically makes for a long and slow death as your muscles waste away no matter what you do.

I would assume that a relatively quick and painless death from the surgery would be more welcome.

alnorth 04-11-2015 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 11430663)
Head transplant or body transplant?

Dunno. The head is facing the rejection risk which suggests a head transplant, but the person is in the head and he's getting a new body which suggests a body transplant.

Discuss Thrower 04-11-2015 11:19 AM

Brave new ****in' world, guys.

GloucesterChief 04-11-2015 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 11430673)
Brave new ****in' world, guys.

Just wait until we can fix genetic conditions and then 3D print new organs from your own genetic material so very small chance of rejection. The expected human lifespan will grow in multiples in the next half a century.

Discuss Thrower 04-11-2015 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by GloucesterChief (Post 11430674)
Just wait until we can fix genetic conditions and then 3D print new organs from your own genetic material so very small chance of rejection. The expected human lifespan will grow in multiples in the next half a century.

We should get a handle on the whole overpopulation thing first.

GloucesterChief 04-11-2015 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 11430676)
We should get a handle on the whole overpopulation thing first.

We already know the answer to that. Industrialization. Industrial societies need less humans and less land to generate wealth and feed people. The problems in most areas that are chronically poor are political/social rather than technological.

Discuss Thrower 04-11-2015 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by GloucesterChief (Post 11430679)
We already know the answer to that. Industrialization. Industrial societies need less humans and less land to generate wealth and feed people. The problems in most areas that are chronically poor are political/social rather than technological.

Not going to happen fast enough.

J Diddy 04-11-2015 12:05 PM

Patient: Give me head
Doctor: That'll be $11 million

J Diddy 04-11-2015 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 11430676)
We should get a handle on the whole overpopulation thing first.

Food supply will take care of that.

CoMoChief 04-11-2015 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by WeathermanKumke (Post 11430653)
Couldn't end up worse than Matt Cassel's QB play

ROFL

cosmo20002 04-11-2015 12:14 PM

I assume a successful head transplant would not involve actually being able have any motor function since the spinal cord has to be severed and there's no fixing that as far as I know.

notorious 04-11-2015 12:21 PM

I guess there is a good time to lose one's head.

Rausch 04-11-2015 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmo20002 (Post 11430720)
I assume a successful head transplant would not involve actually being able have any motor function since the spinal cord has to be severed and there's no fixing that as far as I know.

That has to be the one discovery made that makes this even worth bothering with...

TribalElder 04-11-2015 12:35 PM

So, Donald Trump will now live on forever

Bowser 04-11-2015 01:17 PM

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/h2TL0GHSue0/maxresdefault.jpg

crazycoffey 04-11-2015 01:20 PM

Maybe they can put Alex smiths head on Brays body. To the ship!

Dave Lane 04-11-2015 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TribalElder (Post 11430736)
So, Donald Trump will now live on forever

No he would be the body donor.

BWillie 04-11-2015 01:39 PM

This would be cool if they could actually figure this out, but as others have said you wouldn't be able to move your limbs on your new body could you?

Don Corlemahomes 04-11-2015 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 11430789)
This would be cool if they could actually figure this out, but as others have said you wouldn't be able to move your limbs on your new body could you?

Nope. The guy behind this is a quack. Reconnecting each individual nerve fiber is highly, highly improbable.

This is such a bull shit article. Basically, this guy is taking a 45 year old study done by Dr Robert White in primates that was unsuccessful and using it as his primary evidence. **** this guy.

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Dr. Hunt Batjer, chairman of neurological surgery at UT Southwestern and president-elect of the American Association for Neurological Surgeons, says White's research is not validation for a human head transplant. "[His evidence is] a 45-year-old reference in a primate and there is no evidence that the spinal cord was anastomosed functionally," he says. Batjer further explains that it's a great leap to go from brain survival of the surgery to restoring body function, which White did not look at.

This is an impossibility, according to Batjer. He conceded that the airway, the spine, the major veins and arteries, can all be put back together, but the spinal cord is the problem. He says the result would be the inability to move or breathe.

"I would not wish this on anyone, I would not allow anyone to do it to me, there are a lot of things worse than death," Batjer says.

The science isn't there to support this, says Arthur Caplan, Ph.D., director of medical ethics at NYU Langone Medical Center. He says it's nothing more than a big PR stunt, and calls Canavero "nuts."

Don Corlemahomes 04-11-2015 02:18 PM

And the thread title is bull shit. A single Italian doctor who is a ****ing clown is trying to secure funding and an academic center in the US to perform this shit. He has zero chance of that happening.

JD10367 04-11-2015 02:32 PM

Sweet. I'll take a 12-inch black guy's.

Wait. I think I misunderstood the thread title. nm

Rain Man 04-11-2015 02:54 PM

If this had been around when Elvis Grbac was still our starter, things could have been a lot different.

Hog's Gone Fishin 04-11-2015 03:09 PM

I'm trying to think of a comment but I'm just dumbfounded

OldSchool 04-11-2015 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 11430844)
Sweet. I'll take a 12-inch black guy's.

Wait. I think I misunderstood the thread title. nm

I think they actually have done a penis transplant before. I'm not sure and don't care to research it, but I think I remember seeing it as a headline while scanning Yahoo News, CNN, or whatever news site that I was on.

BigCatDaddy 04-11-2015 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 11430875)
I think they actually have done a penis transplant before. I'm not sure and don't care to research it, but I think I remember seeing it as a headline while scanning Yahoo News, CNN, or whatever news site that I was on.

Youre dickless. There is a shocker.

Dragonocho 04-11-2015 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmo20002 (Post 11430720)
I assume a successful head transplant would not involve actually being able have any motor function since the spinal cord has to be severed and there's no fixing that as far as I know.

The article was very clear that they would use "biological glue". Any questions you have about whether it will work or not are, therefore, invalid. They have glue. LOL

BigMeatballDave 04-11-2015 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragonocho (Post 11430964)
The article was very clear that they would use "biological glue". Any questions you have about whether it will work or not are, therefore, invalid. They have glue. LOL

http://cdn.dickblick.com/items/236/2...02-2-3ww-l.jpg

Lonewolf Ed 04-11-2015 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by GloucesterChief (Post 11430674)
Just wait until we can fix genetic conditions and then 3D print new organs from your own genetic material so very small chance of rejection. The expected human lifespan will grow in multiples in the next half a century.

If they could cure my colon and liver cancer like that, maybe I could get a good night's sleep for a bloody change instead of being up all night with pains and pressure in my lower intestine.

Sully 04-11-2015 05:04 PM

Great idea, until they put it on backwards by mistake.

Don Corlemahomes 04-11-2015 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragonocho (Post 11430964)
The article was very clear that they would use "biological glue". Any questions you have about whether it will work or not are, therefore, invalid. They have glue. LOL

That's my favorite part of this idea. "Uh, yeah, I'm gonna use super secret glue that nobody knows about. Just trust me on this."

TimeForWasp 04-11-2015 06:10 PM

He will be fingerprinted later and life and go to prison for the bodies crimes.

Marcellus 04-11-2015 06:21 PM

So there is a chance Clay's body could still get a brain in his lifetime.

Rain Man 04-11-2015 07:43 PM

Out of curiosity, if they could do this, could they put a man's head on a woman's body or vice versa? It seems like there wouldn't be a particular problem atop the normal challenges of a head transplant.

If you were minutes from dying and the only available body was someone of the opposite gender, would you do it? It seems like most people would.

And would different hormones affect either the brain or the body? The gender hormones are in your brain, right? So would they be feeding testosterone or estrogen into the body, and eventually create a sex change to your original gender other than a little surgery on the hardware?

Willie Lanier 04-11-2015 08:16 PM

Never going to work at least not in my lifespan...

I know enough about human anatomy and physiology to know we're years away from any kind of surgery like this...

It's also incredibly vain of the surgeon to do this

cosmo20002 04-11-2015 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Sully (Post 11431012)
Great idea, until they put it on backwards by mistake.


This is pretty close
http://s-ec-sm.buzzfeed.com/static/e...5992961-18.jpg

Dragonocho 04-11-2015 09:29 PM

If Nicolas Cage does not star in the movie, I will be disappoint.

Rain Man 04-11-2015 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragonocho (Post 11431693)
If Nicolas Cage does not star in the movie, I will be disappoint.

As the head or the body?


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