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Meatloaf 04-26-2015 08:07 PM

Guys you definitely DON'T want at 18
 
Anyone you really DO NOT want at #18? Here's my list so far:

1) Any CB. From what I've seen in the vids, there seem to be a bunch of decent CBs, but none that really stand out to me. I'd pass on all of them until at least Round 2 or 3. Definitely do not want one at 18.

2) DGB. Probably will be better options available than a guy who hasn't played football for over a year and has ample off the field baggage. Might gamble if he was there for our 3rd round picks.

3) All ILBs. Again, some decent guys available, but probably not first round material.

4) J Winston. He isn't going to fall this far, but I'd pass on the guy. Too immature to be a leader. I'd let someone else have that headache.

5) Also, I'm not sure I'd opt for yet another OLB at 18. We have Houston, Hali and Ford. Cannot imagine that Ford is a total miss, so I'd probably not go OLB at 18. This would include Gregory, Dupree or Ray. Might be missing out on a very good player, but geez, how many OLBs can you play at once? (Caveat: IF they intend on releasing/trading Houston, then I'd consider an OLB at 18.....just not Gregory.....he's a blink away from a nice suspension what with his apparent need for MJ.

6) I guess I'd be ok with C Erving, but I've gotta tell you, that selection really doesn't excite. I'd like to think that we'd have better options available at 18.

That's my list, how about yours???

GloucesterChief 04-26-2015 08:09 PM

Funchess. He is soft as charmin.

Meatloaf 04-26-2015 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by GloucesterChief (Post 11460996)
Funchess. He is soft as charmin.

Oops, forgot about him. I agree with you, that selection would be not good.

milkman 04-26-2015 08:24 PM

Who ever John Dorsey picks./CP

Couch-Potato 04-26-2015 08:25 PM

funchess.

TambaBerry 04-26-2015 08:29 PM

So let me get this straight you'd be happy with a center but not the top cb got it

Bowser 04-26-2015 09:19 PM

If you're willing to take Cam Erving over Trae Waynes, then there's nobody that can help you. Direckshun applauds, though.

O.city 04-26-2015 09:30 PM

Actually, if they use Funchess paired with Kelce as a Jimmy graham type te hybrid, with Alex smith, that wouldn't be a terrible pick

Meatloaf 04-26-2015 09:49 PM

Just to clarify, I don't see a lock down corner in the bunch this year. They all seem kinda "meh" to me.

And yes, (and it hurts to say this), I think Erving is more of a first round talent than any of the CBs this year. Again, there will probably be guys other than Erving available at 18 that I'd rather have, but if we selected him, I probably wouldn't have a cow.

O.city 04-26-2015 10:00 PM

Dupree is an otherworldly athlete, could he transition at mlb?

Meatloaf 04-26-2015 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11461111)
Dupree is an otherworldly athlete, could he transition at mlb?

I don't recall that he's played any ILB. I fear there's more to the position than just being a great athlete though. Nonetheless, I will grant you that Dupree has athletic talent in spades.

Urc Burry 04-26-2015 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Meatloaf (Post 11461098)
Just to clarify, I don't see a lock down corner in the bunch this year. They all seem kinda "meh" to me.

And yes, (and it hurts to say this), I think Erving is more of a first round talent than any of the CBs this year. Again, there will probably be guys other than Erving available at 18 that I'd rather have, but if we selected him, I probably wouldn't have a cow.

Waynes and Peters can absolutely he shut down corners. Not as sold on the others in the first round, but if either of them are there I'm going to be ecstatic.

To me this is going to be a hard pick to mess up, and of our needs the only position i don't want to address in the first is center

Dante84 04-26-2015 11:16 PM

Ideally, we trade back 5 or 6 spots, get a solid CB, and land an extra 2nd round pick for our efforts. In the second we get a good WR and ILB, and do whatever th let rest of the way.

kccrow 04-26-2015 11:42 PM

dont want...

Dorial Green-Beckham
Arik Armstead
Byron Jones
Landon Collins
Breshad Perriman

smith11 04-27-2015 12:04 AM

ben heeney--just don't think he is a first rounder

Bewbies 04-27-2015 07:10 AM

O-line.

ct 04-27-2015 09:03 AM

DGB, overhyped and uber risky BUST
Any WR not named amari cooper, kevin white, devante parker, nelson agholor (even 18 a bit high for him, but i'd be ok w/ it)
Cam Erving, not enough experience at C to justify 1st round for that position
Le'eilj'lkliuolkjl;l Collins, too soft and slow for OT imo
Marcus Peters, bonehead, just no
EDGE Randy Gregory, had previously been on board if he fell, now i'm not so sure he really deserves 1st round pick
Any OG, RB, QB, TE (or K obviously) ...

I really would be ok w/ any defensive position, or any other OT generally ranked around us, inc Flowers, Humphries, Clemmings, Peat (assume Scherf sp? gone)

The Franchise 04-27-2015 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11461111)
Dupree is an otherworldly athlete, could he transition at mlb?

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Bewbies 04-27-2015 09:19 AM

QB /Clark Hunt

Chief Roundup 04-27-2015 10:16 AM

Any RB
Cam Erving
Any WR after Cooper, White, Parker

milkman 04-27-2015 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smith11 (Post 11461182)
ben heeney--just don't think he is a first rounder

Find one link to anyone anywhere that even slightly suggests that Heeney is a first rounder.

Bowser 04-27-2015 10:21 AM

First pick in the fifth round, maybe.

Easy 6 04-27-2015 10:49 AM

I'd be ok with Waynes at 18 but no other CB is worth it, its a weak class .

Pass on DGB.

Anthony or McKinney would be acceptable at ILB.

The more I look around though, the more I see either a defensive or offensive fatty unless one of the top 3 receivers falls to us

CleveSteve 04-27-2015 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 11461518)
Find one link to anyone anywhere that even slightly suggests that Heeney is a first rounder.

Lol I'm about 15 picks into the 6th of my mock and Heeney is still available.

O.city 04-27-2015 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 11461423)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Altho Bud Dupree is commonly referred to as an &quot;edge rusher,&quot; Cosell, Farrar &amp; Stephen White comp'd him to versatile Pats ILB Jamie Collins.</p>&mdash; Evan Silva (@evansilva) <a href="https://twitter.com/evansilva/status/590600466448457728">April 21, 2015</a></blockquote>
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That's very interering.

Having the potential of him, houston, ford dj and Hali all on the field at once is enticing

milkman 04-27-2015 12:22 PM

Clay Matthews playing inside on non passing downs has really been a boost to that Packer defense.

jonzie04 04-27-2015 01:04 PM

byron jones. I could get behind just about anyone else projected in the top 40 or so. The only things that kind bother me is passing on a more elite prospect for an inferior one. Like passing up on bridgewater last year for dee ford. I like ford but I would have had bridgwater for sure..

Sully 04-27-2015 01:04 PM

Kyle Loomis.

I'd be upset if they drafted him at 18.
I wouldn't mind him in the 6th or 7th, though.

Sully 04-27-2015 01:05 PM

I'd be upset if they drafted Fajardo in the first.

Actually, I'd be upset if they drafted him, at all.

kccrow 04-27-2015 01:26 PM

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Interesting given Collins was also a DE/OLB coming out of Southern Miss.

I wouldn't have a problem with KC drafting Dupree but I think he's going to be long gone by #18.
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The Franchise 04-27-2015 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 11461813)
Interesting given Collins was also a DE/OLB coming out of Southern Miss.

I wouldn't have a problem with KC drafting Dupree but I think he's going to be long gone by #18.
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Yeah.....I think he's going top 10.

O.city 04-27-2015 02:28 PM

Dupree gives them leverage with Houston as well.

jd1020 04-27-2015 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 11461019)
Who ever John Dorsey picks./CP

In his defense, there's only about 10-12 impact players in this years draft.

Saccopoo 04-27-2015 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11461111)
Dupree is an otherworldly athlete, could he transition at mlb?

No. While he can drop back effectively, he doesn't have the lateral agility to be effective in that role.

The guy is 270 lbs. And ****ing fast.

He's a rush end.

There is no way on god's green earth that he'll ever play MLB.

Chiefnj2 04-28-2015 06:52 AM

Other than Collins and Humphries I don't think I'd be thrilled with the other tackle prospects. I do not understand the Arik Armstead hype. I might be the only one on this board who would be okay with Gurley.

ct 04-28-2015 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 11462299)
No. While he can drop back effectively, he doesn't have the lateral agility to be effective in that role.

The guy is 270 lbs. And ****ing fast.

He's a rush end.

There is no way on god's green earth that he'll ever play MLB.

Perfect world would be an occasional 2 LBs inside who can both cover and rush, essentially 4 rush-backers on the field at the same time.

Saccopoo 04-28-2015 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ct (Post 11462986)
Perfect world would be an occasional 2 LBs inside who can both cover and rush, essentially 4 rush-backers on the field at the same time.

Quote:

At linebacker you can have all the measurable in the world, but at the end of the day it means nothing if you don’t produce and Zach Vigil produced more last season than any other inside linebacker in the draft. His performance was consistent week in and week out with two negatively-graded games in 15 weeks.

When you think of a small school linebacker with big production getting little draft buzz it’s easy to assume that he’s a poor athlete, but that’s not the case with Vigil. His pro day numbers put him right around the inside linebacker average for almost all the events compared to historical combine figures. When you watch his tape, though, his coordination and instincts both jump out as above average.

The middle linebacker graded well above average rushing the passer, in coverage, and against the run. Vigil’s 76 total stops were the second most in the draft class and his 36 total pressures were the second most as well. He was also a very reliable tackler missing just 12 all year compared to 131 combined solos and assists.
154 Tackles
19.5 TFL
9.0 Sacks

Chiefnj2 04-28-2015 10:43 AM

My board:

1. Williams
2. Cooper
3. White
4. Fowler
5. Winston
6. Shelton
7. Parker
8. Waynes
9. Beasley
10. Mariotta (I guess, a big reach).
11. Peters
12. Dupree
13. Collins (OL)
14. Scherff
15. Gurley
16. Ray
17. DGB
18. Peat
19. Humphries
20. Kendricks

Rain Man 04-28-2015 12:35 PM

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Hog's Gone Fishin 04-28-2015 12:49 PM

Id be upset if they drafted my MOM at 18. She has Parkinsons now and her memory is getting really bad and she has to wear a diaper.

Meatloaf 04-28-2015 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 11463634)
Id be upset if they drafted my MOM at 18. She has Parkinsons now and her memory is getting really bad and she has to wear a diaper.

Hog, this is wrong on so many levels that I cannot begin to count them. And here I thought you were better than that! However, given that this is Draft Week, I'll just chalk this up to you being overwhelmed with "draft emotion".

Boys, we need to get this draft behind us lest Hog loses touch with any/all levels of personal deportment. C'mon Hog, hang in there for just a couple more days!!!

:thumb:

TRR 04-28-2015 04:07 PM

This is a pretty deep draft. Usually, I am set on two-three players with the first pick. I can't say that's the same this year. I am not a big fan of taking OL or DL in the 1st round this year. I've seen Armstead and Erving mocked a few times to KC...and I'm not a huge fan of either, particularly in this draft where OL and DL depth is good.

List
* No OL in the first.
* No DL in the first.
* A Baldwin-esque WR in round 1 ala Devin Funchess.

Looking for an impact/1st year starter at CB, ILB, or WR with the 18th pick.

Chiefnj2 05-01-2015 06:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 11463290)
My board:

1. Williams
2. Cooper
3. White
4. Fowler
5. Winston
6. Shelton
7. Parker
8. Waynes
9. Beasley
10. Mariotta (I guess, a big reach).
11. Peters
12. Dupree
13. Collins (OL)
14. Scherff
15. Gurley
16. Ray
17. DGB
18. Peat
19. Humphries
20. Kendricks

Let the world know of my draft jeenyous. Peters was my choice as well.


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