Andy Reid
 

I don't get the hate for this guy. I've seen people compare him to Herm Edwards. He's the best coach in this franchises history. A top 10 coach in the league who's only had 3 losing seasons and 150 wins.

How would Hank Stram not be the best coach in Kansas City Chiefs franchise history?

He'll give you winning seasons year in and year out.

But that's about it. Still waiting on that ****ing playoff win. If it doesn't show up this year, I'm going to start to get pissed.

He's a solid coach who gets too clever for his own good, and who struggles with game and time management.

NB4 Reerun_KC

I saw him at Golden Corral the other day. He had 14 pounds of prime rib and had them cart over the chocolate water fall so it could be directly right of his table.

And Schottenheimer would absolutely be next, with Vermeil a distant 3rd.

Tells you how ****ed this organization has been that a guy that completely ignores JC in several games a year is 4th on the list.

Completely ignores? Umm wasn't he an MVP candidate his first year with Reid?

Yep.

7 games last year with 13 or fewer carries.

5 games with 10 or fewer carries.

If another elite RB was misused like this, you guys would crucify the coach.

This pretty much sums it up.

Charles wasn't healthy all of last year.

Reid owes his continuous status as a HC to two people: Donovan McNabb and Jim Johnson.

2013 was he got his 2nd highest amount of carries in a season and was featured in the passing game. You guys are funny.

Yes both have been a big part of the last 2 winning seasons.

So he made a good decision on a starting QB and defensive coordinator?

Yup. Terrible head coach.

Name a RB that is ever healthy for an entire season.

These injuries sure didn't seem to affect him too much in the games he got plenty of carries.

The sad state of affairs with this franchise is that the next coach to win a single playoff game could be considered the third most successful coach in the team's history based solely upon that win.

He wouldn't be thought of as a upper echelon coach had it not been for that SB run a decade ago, and hasn't won a playoff game without Johnson as a DC.

Of course, this is the NFL we're talking about here so he really doesn't have to succeed in any appreciable form to keep his job as HC because it's just too risky to go with someone unproven... Like Bruce Arians.

Your football takes make me cringe. Get a ****ing clue.

38-28 without McNabb. Yeah Reid sure sucks.

Never go full Discuss

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Charles himself has said he wasn't healthy, etc.

Paired with the amount they used him in 2013, I'd say injury was the reason he didn't get the touches

Worst team in the league to 20 wins in 2 years ALL JOHNSON MCNABB!!!!!

Vermeil ****ed this franchise far worse than Herm, Romeo and Crennel combined.

He passed on Drew Brees, gave up the #12 overall for a damaged QB that played poorly his initial and final season, in a tenure that lasted only six seasons.

His refusal to fire Greg Robinson and the defensive staff cost this team a chance for deep playoff success.

His insistance in drafting defensive lineman with pick after pick while avoiding his aging offense line, cornerback and WR corp put the Chiefs in a hole that took nearly a decade to recover. The guy wanted Tyler Brayton over LJ when the right choice was Polamalu.

He made more excuses than any coach in franchise history for his baffling losses and decisions. IMO, he's below Mackovic, Levy, Stram, Schottenheimer and Andy Reid. And hell, at least Herm and Bill Kuharich put together a decent 2008 draft.

He is very good at prepping for games, but poor at in game adjustments and management.

He is very much like Vermiel. Will rely heavily on his DC and have little input on that side of the ball. Vermeil chose (perhaps had chosen for him - Gunther) poorly and the team suffered because of it. Reid chose wisely with Johnson and so far with Sutton.

And it seems Andy has his new Jim Johnson in Bob Sutton...now, if he can get Alex to incorporate McNabbs deep ball into his game, we might find similar success to what a Andy had in Philly with 4 straight NFC Championship games and a Super Bowl (that if he wasn't facing the cheating Patriots, he might have won)

Vermeil was a hired gun for a short term run. His goal wasn't to plan for the future. His job was to win now. His choices of DC's doomed him. It was Peterson's plan since he knew he had worn out his welcome.

Reid and Dorsey have done a good job so far. 20 wins in 2 seasons taking over a 2 win team speaks volumes.

We are young, talented and primed for the future.

I think this team is a year away from being completely finished, but it's damn close. We will make the playoffs this year and we will win the division.

I'm not the biggest Andy Reid fan but I'm not a hater, either.

I think he's been so busy, in game, trying to scheme around the blatant offensive deficiencies that he's missed some crucial calls that have led to defeat. Barring catastrophic injury, I wager to guess that we'lol see less of that in 2015.

He's a good coach but needs to stop out-coaching himself.

It seems pretty clear that Reid's first order of business was to turn things around to win the fanbase back.

Credit to him for making the necessary halftime adjustment to win games.

He did so by utilizing the one weapon on offense, and supplementing that weapon with support.

He went to the ground game with Charles, and brought in Anthony Sherman to block.

With the fanbase back, Reid reverted to Reid last year.

You can't put all of this on Andy. The OL and WR core was a trainwreck last year.im surprised he made it 16 games with gameplans to score some points.

This was a bottom 10 talented offense last year and we were 16th in points scored. That's Because of Reid folks.

0-3 in the playoffs without Johnson, 0-2 without McNabb.

Drafting McNabb has made Reid's career.. Without that fact, Reid's ceiling is OC.

Five years isn't a short run. His decisions and influence on Carl Peterson in terms of free agent personnel and the draft turned the Chiefs franchise into an expansion team.

He ****ing blows. He wasn't the architect of the '99 Rams organization. He was the guy that led them to 5-11 and 4-12 seasons, which is why he was dumped.

The less you know

I wholeheartedly agree that Johnson was a huge eason for Reid's success.

But Reid has to be given credit for hiring Johnson.

Abso****linglutely.

Sure, but this is my point: Reid's continued tenure as a HC is because of decisions he made almost two decades ago.

What has he done since McNabb was in Philly and since Johnson was his DC?

... and to the first person that tries to cock slap me upside the head with "Durrrr, the '13 Chiefs!"

1) Easiest nine game stretch any team could ever be gifted by the scheduling committee and fluke injuries
2) What was the combined record of the team the two seasons prior to 2013 and how many of those players on those two teams were still key factors to 2013's success?

You are pretty much the Ying to the Alex Smith apologist's Yang. They consistently throw out excuses....and you do as well.

So...Andy Reid sucks as a head coach because he coached up the players he inherited.


Gotcha.

Brees would have been booed out of KC before he ever achieved any level of success.

He was a crap QB for his first 3 years, averaging just 204 yards per game, with 53 TDs and 37 ints.

Absolutely.

Jenkins
Hammond
Hemmingway
Linkenbach
McGlynn
Fulton


That's a lot of shit to try and hide.

The fact we were 16th in points scored while being 13th in points per drive while dragging all that dead weight is very impressive.

This 2015 Chiefs team will field a top 10 scoring offense and defense.

Great point.

Everyone wants to use 2012 as a defense for this "great turnaround" while ignoring that this team was basically a .500 team who had one bad season.

It's not like they had been a 2 win team for 5+ years.

I think we need to see how Reid fares now that he is no longer making personnel decisions.
That was, IMO, his biggest downfall, along with the poor choice in replacing Johnson.

I think Reid is overrated to some extent, but he is stil, in fact, one of the better ones in the league.

Ummmm
What?
1 bad season?

I hope I missed your joke here or something...

2007 4 wins
2008 2 wins
2009 4 wins
2010 10 wins
2011 7 wins
2012 2 wins

That's what you see as "basically a .500 team with one bad year?"
2013 11 wins (should have been 12 if the refs didn't steal the finale away)
2014 9 wins

The 6 years prior to Reids arrival...29 wins..and average of less than 5 wins per year. How is that "basically a .500 team?" That's a .30 win percentage between 2007-2012.... Just a .28 win percentage in the 2 years before Reid got here.

The 2 years with Reid ...20 wins (should have been at least 21)...an average of 10 wins per year

FFS some of you guys have become rediculous.

Actually, Reid made Mcnabbs career. He also made people think AJ Feely & Kevin Kolb we're NFL qbs. Without Mcnabb Reid won 20 games over last 2 seasons, and has a winning record over the last 5 seasons since he traded McNabb, which included a diaster of a year 2012. He has a career winning % of .586 over a 16 years. He is a high quality NFL coach with or without McNabb.

Reid is a pretty good coach that does some things very well, and some things he sucks at. Like forgetting about the running game and no idea how to manage a clock.

Need more proof?? Andy Reid hasn't won a football game in at least 5 months. Enough said. /discussthrower

The team made the playoffs 1 time in 6 seasons before Reid got here. Put down the pipe man.

Why the **** are you guys going back 6 seasons?

Oh, wait. To make your argument hold up.

Apparently you missed this:

17 wins in two years doesn't happen by accident, and there were a lot of players on those two teams who played a huge role in 2013 and 2014.

You dipshits spent all those years saying we had a ton of talent and that coaching was the problem, now the cupboard was bare?

GTFO.

ChiefsPlanet...where

.28 = .50
Going from 28% to 63% isn't a big deal
Where a coach that took his team to 4 straight NFC Championships isn't a big deal
Where a coach should run a RB more, even though most of his body is truly injured
Where a guy isn't a good offensive coach even though he had 4 guys starting that nobody wanted after the year and HE STILL RAN AN OFFENSE THAT WAS 16th in scoring and 13th in PPP

And got annihilated in that game.

Just embarrassed.

In their defense, you brought up 5 plus seasons

I went back 6 seasons to try to help YOU.

You said the 2 years prior to Reids arrival, we were "basically a .500 team with 1 bad year. It's not like this was a terrible team over 5 years or something"

Haha

Is Andy Reid the best coach in the division?

I'd probably say yes.

Pioli and company should have been kept around longer. They only had one bad season.

Probably? He's easily the best.

Nobody said that.

I can say that since Reid/Dorsey got here, they jettisoned lots of that talent we had...and still won a lot of games.

Flowers
Bowe
Jackson
Albert
Dorsey

I mean, have you peeked at the roster these guys inherited from 2012?

ChiefsPlanet tends to overrate the talent on the roster anyway

No
No
No

I was just trying to prop up my side of the argument.

Didn't you hear?

Hahaha

I'm glad someone gets it.

It's like OTWP has amnesia or something and forgot about 6 years of the worst Chiefs football in my lifetime.

The talent was good sans QB. Reid came in and coached up the good talent. Isn't that what a good coach does?

Oh JOHNSON AND MCNABB!

Talent was so good they've turned over what, 80 plus percent of the roster?

.

And the guys they kept have actually started to play to their potential.

And the team has won a lo of games.

I'd imagine every NFL roster is pretty different from 3 years ago. A lot of the core players are from previous regimes.

Yeah.

I think he was trying to build a team to win now because they really wanted to win one for Lamar. The guy was old and nearing his death bed and it's just too bad that they didn't win one for him.

I think the best coach I've seen for the Chiefs in my lifetime was Marty Schottenheimer.

Steam was probably the best Chiefs coach ever. It's too bad I wasn't alive to see him coach the team.

But yeah Marty was the best I've seen. This guy consistently made the playoffs, fielded really good defenses all the time, but, he just didn't win. He uplifted this franchise when they really needed it. His downfall was that he lacked a bright offensive mind on his staff and aside from Montana, didn't have the QB.

Nice of the franchise to lay up the rest of the time

Meaning they haven't been terrible for 5 straight years.

Are you reeruned?

The core players on those 2010 and 2011 teams that won 17 games is still the core group now, for the most part.

He didn't inherit a dumpster fire.

Guys that are still here from 2012

Poe
Houston
Bailey
DJ
Hali
Berry
Colquitt
Charles
Hemmingway
Stephenson
Allen

11 players

And how many more were here in 2013? You know, the year we're actually comparing?

Mike McCoy is still an unknown to me.

And Gary Kubiak had problems in Houston, but so do a lot of coaches. One thing he does in all his coaching spots is successfully coordinate an efficient an often explosive rushing attack. I'm still nervous about the Donks for that very reason. Peyton Manning saving his arm for the playoffs by letting his RBs win games in the regular season is a very dangerous situation for the rest of the division

Elway/Davis II: Electric Boogaloo.

You didn't say "5 straight years"..the goalposts need to stay where they are, sorry.

You said they were "basically a .500 team that had one bad year"

I wouldn't go calling anyone reeruned after saying that a 28% win percentage is "basically .500"...FFS you tried to downplay what Reid has done here by saying the Romeo/Haley regimes were pretty good "outside of that one bad year in 2012"

Jesus

JFC go back and read what you actually wrote (that was flat out reeruned) because it's sad.

Didn't realize I had to be so literal to satisfy the jerkoffs at ChiefsPlanet.

If you're too ****ing stupid to understand the implication of "5+" I can't help you.

I'll make sure to type everything I post from here on out in a way that it can't be twisted.

Bailey, Poe and Houston elevated their game since Sutton got here. That has to count for something.

The Chiefs had a handful of foundation players surrounded by garbage. Now they have a better overall team with the potential to play in late January.

The disparity between Romeo, Haley and Herm to Andy is about as big as it gets.