Things to consider upon last night's ending
 

Alright, that sh*t last night hurt. Bad. Five turnovers, often terrible play calls, and inability to execute left us all feeling like dogsh*t. But hear me out on a few takeaways here.

1. This ain't over between KC and Denver. With these two defenses playing top 5 level football right now, this has all the makings of a rivalry like the one Seattle and San Fran had a couple years ago. It even started getting a little chippy several times for once.

2. Sean Smith. This is good and bad, because it basically means we aren't in good position to watch him walk in FA next year, but the bottom line is he will be back. Marcus Peters looks like a #1 corner already through TWO games. Get Smith back, plug Gaines into the slot and all of the sudden a defense that already looks really solid becomes even better. It's what we need to close the gap.

3. Next time we play Denver, we are coming off of a bye. You can bet after this game KC is gonna come into their place wanting that one, and with Reid's track record with bye week's, I don't think we can feel beat already with that one whatsoever. Maybe by then Fisher will have his ass in gear and be able to block Von Miller just a tad, unlike Jah (who gave his best efforts)

In closing again I will say, last night sucked. It gets old with the way this team seems to get your hopes up just to pull the rug out at the end, no doubt. But greater teams have lost in bad ways before. (NE @ Arrowhead 2014....) I'm just saying. One game doesn't make or break a season no matter how bad we wanted to beat Denver or the fact that we should have. We were -4 in the turnover margin and still had a great shot at a win. That's a sign of a really, really good team.

Patrick Allen said it best:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This isn&#39;t over. This Chiefs team is good. Really good. Not likely to have another 5 turnover game again. They&#39;ll be ok.</p>&mdash; Patrick Allen (@RPatrickAllen) <a href="https://twitter.com/RPatrickAllen/status/644721523698348032">September 18, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

It ain't over guys. Walk away from the ledge because whether you're down right now or not, if I had told you we would be -4 in turnovers there's not a person in the country who would have thought it to be this close. Denver is very good, particularly on defense, and these two are top 5 teams in the AFC. DON'T GIVE UP NOW, SEAN IS COMING!

I thought it was awesome when we called a timeout with 40 seconds left in the game... When we were on defense... And gave Peyton Manning extra time... To throw the game-tying TD on the next play.

I appreciate Patrick's spirit.

LMAO Yep. That was pretty darn COOL! ;)

Had to give defense time to get set so that Phlegming's #30 was fully visible to the 5head.

More of Fat Stupid Bad Andy's consistently bad game mosmanagement.

How is this idiot a head coach??

It's ****ing basic situational football.
PLAY SITUATIONAL FOOTBALL!!

1st and goal from the 2??

RUN THE BALL 4 STRAIGHT TIMES IF YOU HAVE TO.

Law of averages says that the all time leader in NFL rushing average will get it on one of them.

1st and goal with 90 sec at the end of the half - you lead 14-7, their offense just got some momentum, so...END THE HALF with 3 kneel downs and go in the locker room leading by 7. 14, because it's 21-7 if you run with Jamal at goal to go on the 1st series.

Take the guy getting toasted out of the game.

Put Dee Ford IN the game.

After Knile Davis goes UNTOUCHED for an 8 yd TD scamper in the 4th, you keep feeding those fresh legs the ball, and never relinquish the lead.

****, that sequence at the end of the 1st half was ABYSMAL. Reid and his staff should be FIRED for gross incompetence. Before that mini-shitshow, Denver didn't even think they could play football anymore, and 5head looked like he was ready to lay down and die.

This is ALL on the coaching staff. They threw this game.*

Whether they did it knowingly and took the fall, idk... but it's squarely on the coaching staff. The players played hard. The coaches never put anyone in a good position.

Fat **** has NO BUSINESS BEING AN NFL HEAD COACH.

He threw TWO TDs after defensive timeouts and it's happened in past meetings as well. Just dumb.

If it weren't for Jamell Fleming I would actually feel pretty decent about the Green Bay game. They can't stop the run, aren't great against the pass, and we seemingly can stop the run. Not expecting a win there but if they do that sure changes the outlook...

The Chiefs can hang with anyone no question. They just shit their pants in big games. They win last night and a tough loss to Geena Bay is ok. Now they need to take one of the two tough road games.

It's not over with Denver? Sure, whatever you say.

Peyton scrapped Kubiak on national tv ... Denver is winning 13 games, easy

Eh, they'll top out at 12 but yeah. They're not losing a divisional game this year.

The Broncos nut stomped us with a record TV audience watching. They will nut stomp us at their place most assuredly. Gunning for the Wildcard. What's new?

I didn't think that time out was that bad an idea. The defense needed to catch their breath, and I hate to say it, but Manning was going after Flemming whether we called a time out or not...and they ran the same route Flemming got burned on where he was lucky enough Manning threw at the receiver's back heel a couple of plays before. I'm no Reid fan, but I didn't think this was a pivotal mistake.

They're not even a wild card team bruh.

They certainly have enough overall talent. We'll see how far our pussy QB and dipshit HC can take us again.

Chiefs are easily a 10 win team on defense alone. We'll go 11-5 and snatch the 5 seed.

LMAO



9-7, 7th seed in the AFC behind Buffalo and Miami. Mark it the **** down.

And that's being optimistic. They're probably going to finish sub -.500 based on how hard the schedule is.

Ok. Maybe. Neither of us know ... I know I was at a game where the only way to lose is the way we lost. I know Denver is a top NFL team and we were the better team. So, while I was devastated with the outcome, per the norm as a chiefs fan ... This roster is Seattle-esque

I don't see 12 or 13 wins...their D isn't going to keep winning games for them scoring touchdowns...and I can at least see San Diego winning at home against them.

This isn't true.

After Manning scrapped Kubiak's offense and started going no-huddle, they started moving the ball. Manning is still the same guy; he's just playing behind a much worse offensive line in an offensive system that doesn't match his strengths.

With their defense and Manning doing his thing, they're a 13 win team. We barely lost to them in a game in which we gave up 5 turnovers. Seriously. We gave them the ball twice backed up behind our own 20 and another on our side of the field with DAT's fumble and still only allowed 24 points. Our defense is top notch and will stifle all but the very best of offenses.

Do you honestly expect to see another game this season in which we commit 5 turnovers?

Dunno how they were the better team when they lost by 7 points Hoot. That reads a lot like Cassel grading out perfectly or whatever.

But this isn't a double digit winning team barring actually earning a playoff victory. The ceiling is 9-7 and that's not going to be good enough for a berth this year.

I don't think you've ever been right about anything. Excuse me if I don't believe a ****ing thing you say.

I can see another game with -2 or worse on give/take ratio. Absolutely.

We AREN'T the better team. We were pretty evenly matched heading into this thing and we shit directly down our legs to concede the better team title to Denver. We'll just have to live with that until we beat them. I know, that's never going to happen.

but our offense, mainly the QB/HC is playing defense against our elite defense. Thats how we are going to lose the games we lose this year; our inconsistent offense.

If you insist senor.

I'd take his dating advice before I believe anything he says about football.

Because the better team doesn't always win the game. The better team yesterday lost. The chiefs beat themselves

Top shelf smack there.

But whatever. It should have been obvious to anyone that the combination of Smith, Reid, a good but not great defense wasn't going to produce a better result than last season.

Do you expect us to win the division?

I mean, we are the better team and all that.

I think we will beat them in Denver. Peyton is going take some more beatings before we play them again.

Oh, no doubt about it. There are a couple inescapable truths we'll need to come to terms with: the fact that Andy Reid and Alex Smith are who they are at this point. Reid is going to call some absolutely masterful games from time to time. Most times he'll be decent and throw some real head-scratchers in there just to confound us. Alex is limited. He just is. He's never going to put the team on his back and as long as he's QB we'll always lose these shootouts and close games with great teams more often than not.

But..

We're still healthy.

Our defense is monstrous. The run defense last night was ****ing incredible. Jaye Howard is a load, DJ being back is invaluable, Houston is the best pass rusher in the league, Peters has the opportunity to be a top 3 CB by season's end, and role players like Mauga, Devito, and Abdullah are really stepping up.

Our offensive line is young, but capable and primed to get better.

Maclin, Kelce and Jamaal are every bit as good as advertised.

There are reasons to be optimistic...

O'Shaunessy looked ****ing damn good last night for a rookie as well.

No. We were the better team yesterday, not sure we're better in general. I'm always going to take the team with the HOF QB

Yep. If he can be the guy he was last night most of the time and we have a healthy Kelce then our TE corps may just be jizz worthy.

:doh!::banghead::eek::deevee::banghead:

They cannot hang with anyone. They couldn't even beat a mediocre bronco's team where Manning wasn't even calling the shots. Smith had 191 yards last night. In the first half, he only had 51.

51 passing yards in a half. Completely, totally, unforgivably pathetic. There was so much more wrong with the game, but that stat alone should tell you that this team can definitely not hang with anyone.

At least, like last year, I know I don't have to waste my Sundays watching this shit show.

I was really surprised at his production. He and Kelce make for a excellent pair of young TE's

I was optimistic going into this season and last night humbled the sh*t out of me.

No offense to the thread starter and I appreciate your efforts for this thread and trying to keep our heads up high, but, this choking sh*t keeps repeating itself over and over. Negativity rots within the whole organization, the fanbase, everywhere. The manifestation and spread of it is unreal.

I personally think when that type of energy is exerted in the universe it attracts bad things. That's how this universe ****ing works. Yes, I do believe in the law of attraction in how like attracts like.

That perhaps can somewhat justify an explanation as to how this team is so called "cursed?" There just seems to be a lack of belief between the players, coaches and organization as a whole. I can smell it.

It did hurt but I'm satisfied with the effort except for one thing. It isn't that Sean Smith wasn't there, but that clearly hurt the team as any suspension does. Can't blame those on the organization. I don't expect perfect play calling and even perfect play or perfect coaching. However, there is one thing about divisional play, with Denver specifically, that KC coaches of all regimes persistently do not prepare for. One of the great things I like about the Marty era was his teams ability to strip the ball. So many times I would say to myself with the game on the line...time for the strip and bingo, there it was. Denver is noticeably more physical against the Chiefs than I've witnessed in virtually all other games. You see this in the way they attack and tackle on every play. Its as if you discover yourself praying there won't be fumble on each play, or simply waiting until there is one...and bingo, there it is. Now I know that coaches preach ball security all the time...but I don't think they convey to the team how Denver uses this strategy, repeatedly, to specifically drain the heart out of our team, more than they do to anybody else. It has become the 'Chiefs' plan for that organization. It goes way, way back. Marty had a Raider plan, the Jets a Miami plan...etc.

This team is a good one and I'm not going to complain. It's the best team we've had in 40 years. Denver played tough but we beat ourselves and the players know it. I still expect this team to win 11 ball games and win in the playoffs. But it still hurts. There is no excuse for a penalty deep in your own territory that gives the opposition 8 chances to get in. Third down penalties are game changers.

I wish we could have did it before they called a timeout. That way Denver could of saved their timeout. We would of been a better host if we would of did that.:thumb:

Yes, and they both should be on the field for all passing plays.

Provided Reid doesn't do what Reid do...

I'd kind of like to go back and look at every timeout the Chiefs have called over the last couple of seasons. It seems like every time they call a time out, something really bad happens to them on the next play. Whatever they do during time outs, they should do the opposite.

Manning will be 15-1 vs. KC this season. It would not matter if KC had two byes after a Thursday night game to prepare. Manning beats KC. It is what he does.

You know Denver held Flacco to 38 yards in the first half, and 117 with two picks throughout the whole game? And that is behind a top 5 offensive line.

It's funny how people underplay the significance of a fumble yet just want to castrate our QB for an INT behind that awful line.

QB's are expected to throw an INT from time to time.

THIS. I agree that comparing your team to competition is all relative. Flacco looked like dump on Sunday. Denver has some big money spent on defense. Can they even afford Von Miller next season and continue to pay the offense the way they have been?

Jamaal Charles fumbles twice, DAT fumbles once, Alex Smith throws two INT's. If even one of those event doesn't occur, the Chiefs win.

As mentioned in the thread starter, the Chiefs aren't going to give the ball away five times in a game. They'll be fine.

You can't throw an INT from your own 20 with 2:30 in the half while you're up 7 and looking to get the ball back after half. You also can't throw an INT in the red zone.. Just like you can't fumble the ball in the red zone or fumble on the last play of the game.

Difference is, Jamaal contributed a TD. Alex contributed a 7.4 QBR.

They'll be fine. That's the pinnacle of success for the Chiefs.

As long as the patrons are looking as big as Andy, Clark be so happy happy.

If half the turnovers don't happen, we win.

If Reid's nacho platter comes during a major decision in the game, and doesn't even make a decision we win.

If Sean Smith is plays, we win.



How much shit do we need to stack on the pile before we call it a pile of shit and move on?

If this failure was against any other team we would already be over it.

It's the kind of bullshit luck Denver needs to win. Happened in week 1 too.

The clock was already stopped. I had no issue with it.

That's what Reid do....

The positives from last night:

1. Half of Denver's offense came against a guy who will be on the bench when our drunk cornerback returns.

2. Gary Kubiak stinks as a coach and Manning is about to get into a war with Elway and his little buddies.

3. No significant injuries, despite several late hits by Denver.

4. Jamaal might be more focused on hanging onto the ball after that debacle. Plus, he got over 20 carries (at 6 ypc), which means that he's being used.

5. The pass rush was pretty good early on, and will be great against most quarterbacks.

6. Denver's offense is nothing but Manning, and he'll be gone next year.

Cool. Next year.

The Chiefs have been playing for next year since 2007.

Tell me I'm wrong.

There's always next year.

Wrong. 1994.

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Year four is always a breakout year for young QB's. Next year is gonna be some next level shit!

Conley is going to have a full year of understanding the playbook.

Gonna be a special year guys!

Now we're getting it. This is all building into something special. Next year.

I think Maclin will make that big leap next year from posting a 70/850 stat line to something monstrous like 80/975. Pretty pumped about it.

Might even get two TDs.

Hai guise remember when Bowe didn't catch a TD? roffle

Can't help but think holding out Charles in preseason caused his to some degree.

Our team has it's flaws. Denver has theirs. They are both good. It's still just the 2nd game.

Not saying anyone should be jumping for joy right now, but we gotta move on as a fan base and team.

It's overwith, history, done.

:LOL: REP!

It blows my mind how anyone can take this franchise seriously. They are a joke. Thank **** that Seattle and NY had similar disasters or KC would never live this down.

I agree with you. But, but history keeps repeating itself. It's demoralizing to watch and gashes hopes, aspirations that you set for this team.

Its down right embarrassing to keep losing to Denver and Manning. No shame in losing to a better team, but that wasn't the case last night.

You are correct, but don't let the Mule Tools read this

You've NEVER been optimistic since I've been here.

There is always CFL AYE.

CFL can suck my nut sacks

That was the one thing that stood out to me - Fivehead apparently got on the phone with the drunk Elway and told him to get Kubiack off his ass. Next series, the old Fivehead returned and did his own thing.

Must be great to be the HC in Denver. Sit down, shut up and cash your checks.

The Chiefs played arguably the worst game of this regime's tenure last night and still only lost by 7 points in the last 40 seconds.

People can point to the Indianapolis playoff game, and that may be, but this one might have been worse.

-JC made some of the biggest mistakes with the fumbles and that's not like him
-Andy coached arguably the worst game since coming here
-Sutton coached arguably the worst game since coming here
-Toub easily coached his worst game since coming here.
-We turned the ball over FIVE times.

The Chiefs can hang with the Broncos. But my god did they kill themselves last night.

November 15th will be very interesting. Bye week to prepare and think about this game. We get Sean Smith back. You can bet that game is circled.
We were a couple yards from OT in Denver last year. Chiefs don't kill themselves then they can win.

Alex hit Kelce to set us up for a long drive that converted into a TD.
Flacco got his ass handed to him by this very talented denver defense. Alex put up enough (Behind a horrid line) to set us up for the win.

Btw, how do you have time all day to be posting on this site?

Alex hit Kelce with a 6 yard pass that Kelce turned into 29 yards. Alex didn't do shit.

Also, that should be the last time they wear red on red uniforms. Three straight losses with that combination.