Pagano Tosses Luck under the bus
 

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Frustrated Pagano tough on Luck after loss

Posted by Zac Jackson on September 22, 2015, 1:21 AM EDT
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The Colts were a mess from the beginning Monday night and were ultimately doomed by five turnovers — three Andrew Luck interceptions — in a 20-7 loss to the Jets.

After the game, Colts coach Chuck Pagano didn’t try to hide his frustration with his quarterback and his team as a whole.

“He’s got to take care of the football,” Pagano said in his postgame press conference. “It’s not that hard. It’s not trigonometry.”

The simple math says that the Colts have scored three touchdowns and committed eight turnovers through two games, both losses.

“Can’t turn the damn ball over,” Pagano said.

Gregg Doyel of the Indianapolis Star, who was at the game and at the postgame press conference, wrote that Pagano was “throwing Luck under the bus.”

While the Jets clearly frustrated Luck with a variety of blitzes and sometimes just by simply overpowering them in one-on-one battles in the trenches, Pagano hinted that Luck has to overcome his line’s shortcomings.

“[That has] been the case for three years now, hasn’t it?” Pagano asked. “He should be more than comfortable dealing with it.”

Sounds to me like that bus claimed more than one victim.

Not throwing him under the bus, he's telling the truth. His team is 0-2; would they rather the head coach speak in generalities and show no emotion while mumbling through answers like Edward Brimley?

Quarterbacks are paid several millions of dollars to NOT give the ball to the opposing team. He's holding his precious, delicate genius accountable.

Doesn't excuse the turnovers, but the Colt's OL looks like smashed assholes.

If Luck didn't fall in to Grigg's lap He would have been fired.

who ever has been in charge of Drafting for the Colts is Pioli bad.

n 2001 the Colts had a terrible game against the 49ers. Manning threw 4 or 5 interceptions. In the press conference the head coach Jim Mora went on a rant about how you cant turn the ball over. Said maybe Manning should try throwing the ball to some of our guys. This lead to the now famous "Playoffs?" sound byte. Manning shot back a few days later. The Colts finished 6-10. Mora was fired at the end of the season.

Not saying Luck is manning but this lost is more on Pag and Griggs then Luck.

Chuck would be the head coach at Mudsucker State if not for Luck.

What has the guy built? His O line is in shambles and the defense sucks ass.

Yeah, other than Luck and a few others, that team is void of talent.



Luck sucks, though. It's true. I read it in the game thread last night... :)

do they even have one player from any of their drafts that panned out besides Luck?

that team is filled with old washed up veterans

I'll gladly trade him Alex Smith for Luck

T.Y, Moncrief and Newsome if you add in the fact they traded a 1st for T-rich its been worst then pioli ever was.


Also Keep in mind they Drafted Dorsett with T.Y and Moncrief on that roster.

Think most of us would be fine with doing a Ricky Williams type deal for Luck lol

What does Pagano expect when you sign two broken down free agents and not fix the o-line...

They drafted both of the TEs the first year. They aren't stars but solid contributors. The Dorsett pick was odd as most teams seem to select a relative need in the first.

They kept the wrong coach

Hey, head coach, maybe it's your job to fix the offensive line...?

Grigson is the guy whose head will roll. Wonder if Irsay will crack the bank wide open for Harbaugh.

Couldn't happen to a better guy. I don't think I've ever rooted for the Jets in my life, but I did last night. Luckily, he sucks at his job so I don't think he'll have it after the season is over.

But look for the Colts to bounce back to 3-2 against easier opponents the next few weeks. And then the Patriots will come to town and, hopefully, make him whimper and try to think of some new way to focus attention away from the fact that he never fixes what is broken with his team.

Pagano -- meh. He doesn't exactly have much to work with. No doubt both heads will roll as they blow it up.

The Colts have feasted on the weak AFC South for years

Fleener has a big drop passes issue

I did forget about Dwayne Allen he is fine.

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Who say's its not Griggs in control.

Pagano is not a good coach. Take him out of the afc south and I don't know if that team makes the playoffs in any year.

The amount of backlash Irsay would have got for keeping Arians over Pag would have been legendary the cancer all but sealed pag's job.

Now you can make a case the chiefs should have got Arians over Reid.

What no name RB are the Patriots going to embarrass the Colts with this year ?

Yes, not that it has really helped them too much. When they play the big boys in the playoffs, they tend to fold like a cheap tent.

There are two keys to winning the SB: a very good or great QB, and a mentally and physically tough team. They have had the former for 15 years or whatever, but rarely had the latter.

And yet they do things like draft a WR in the 1st round. Yeah, that will help your mental and physical toughness. Well done!


(not that those two things are ALL you need, but it seems to me that if you don't have AT LEAST those two, you basically have no shot at the grand prize.

Blount. He's our only big back this year. I half-wish we'd sign some street free agent the Monday before the game and have him drop 200 on them. ROFL

You guy's can always go and pick Gray back off the phins PS for one game :)

:LOL: "hey, we need to humiliate the Colts, how 'bout we trade a 7th round pick to you for Gray on the day before the game, then trade him back for the same pick the Monday after? I'll throw in a case of beer."

The Colts without Andrew Luck are basically the Raiders, for all the reasons outlined in this thread. It's almost impressive how old their defense is considering none of them but Mathis were there when Grigson took over.

Throwing him under the bus? I don't know about all that... through two games, he has stunk and they are 0-2 vs teams they should beat considering the trajectory that team is on and the weapons they added.

Grigson: Let's see, I keep losing because I get dominated in the trenches. I know! I will draft a WR with the number one pick, and spend my free agent money on an old WR with clearly declining skills, and an old RB who still looks pretty good even though he's 32 years old, has over 2,600 carries in his life, and the statistics are pretty clear that at some point soon he will hit a wall and suck big time.

GENIOUS!

Meanwhile, very odd -- Patriots three playoff opponents last year -- Ravens, Colts, Seahawks, are a combined 0-6.

Wont' last. I think the Ravens are very likely to MISS the playoffs however. Losing Suggs really hurt them, both on the field and off.

FYP

Alex Smith takes care of the football.


We can trade!

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Moncrief and Hilton look pretty good. Vontae Davis was a good trade for an in their prime talent.

But I don't understand them acquiring all these Trent Cole, Andre Johnson, Frank Gore, types. These guys look like they are in quicksand out there compared to everyone else.

I don't know if two WRs and a couple TEs are enough from a draft to build a team. They hit on nobody on the offense or defensive line? No secondary stud? No LBer?

2 things here:

1) I LOVE this ****ing accountability. Good, good, GOOD on this coach.

2) He can toss Luck right on over to THIS bus.

They have no shot anyway and in fact I doubt a team in the AFC really challenges NE. They are going back to the SB and it will won't even be difficult.

The only way they don't is if Gronk or Brady go down with injuries.

My sweet, ever-loving Jesus:

He is the Greatest Coach Evar.

He actually threw Grigson under the bus.

When you lose, SOMEONE should agitate the bus wheels.

He's just holding the Leader of his Team accountable. I see nothing wrong with that

That's almost worse than Pioli.

Yeah, the "line's been shit for 3 years" is an indictment of the GM.

This will be Elway/Reeves by the end of the season.

Andrew Luck can eat cocks in hell

I REALLY don't want to go to hell now......

Yep,I remember just a couple of weeks ago when the Tigers Cabreara was acting like a punk when called out on strikes.Ausmus acted like a timid little shit when on the field trying to get him in the dugout.Miggy eventually got tossed and rightfully so but Ausmus should have grabbed him and told him to get his ass in the dugout.

Ha! You would eat a bag of them if he was our QB. :)

Do you think he could get a td pass to a receiver?

I give no QB's a pass for offensive line. Peyton and Brady make their OL look credible every year. Good QBs make average/below average lines passable. Luck gets no excuses. Glad his coach isn't afraid to call out a guy who has played two garbage football games

I didn't want to hate on the guy. I don't like hating successful players. But the NFL draft system and the cheating Colts forced my hand on this.

He must be stopped. Some way.

I hope his GM continues to **** him over so hard that he decides that he doesn't want to play for the Colts anymore after this season.

That's all I got left short of wishing a career-ending injury upon him.

I guess they just need to cheat...huh?

It's funny seeing chiefs fans make excuses for Luck because of offensive line play

Doubt that would help them resist getting blown off the LOS.

**** the Colts
**** Luck (even though I'm jealous as hell he isn't here)
**** Manning for making me hate the ****ing Colts worse and especially now that he is ****ing Donk scum.

That being said, LOL. I will pay good money for a Grbac type response of, "I can't block too!"

Colts have some bad karma going on. Serves them right.

If Karma existed the Pats wouldn't win shit. Cheaters prosper.

Some of that is scheme, see: first 5 quarters of Manning. A 3rd year player isn't likely to force a scheme change. Hell Peyton ****ing Manning went all through the offseason and training camp with a ****ing joke of a scheme and (probably) singlehandedly had to tell the coach to STFU.

I'm not making excuses for Luck. He really should get his shit together and quit throwing the picks, but the same mentality to keep pressing after picks won him the post season game against us and lost him a regular season game against the Jets. If you want games like playoff game, you have to take games like this IMO. Point is, though, that some of the Manning/Brady making pedestrian lines look better is scheme.

What has two thumbs spent its first two fantasy picks on Luck and CJ Anderson?

THIS GUY!

Just like Elway, Luck creates a lot of his own comeback drama.


Nobody ever asks why Elway had so many 4th quarter comebacks.....Well, he kind of put them in the hole to begin with!

I have CJ Anderson - took him in Rd 2.:banghead:

At least he's closer to the right target this time, instead of blaming the other team for shenanagins! Hardee-har-har-har!

Let me just draw some contrast here...

Smith sucks! Good QB's make shit OL's better!
Luck rocks! He has a shit OL!

i cant say much after the whooping my team took on sunday.

I'd take Luck AND Pagano over Smith and Reid.

ROFL

What are you going to complain about this year? Headsetgate proved to be a no-go. Gotta try to find something else I guess. Losers always have excuses.

Maybe... Reeves was also fairly conservative until the situation needed something drastic. There's a whole lot of reasons why Elway and Reeves clashed.

Reeves wanted to slow things down, control the clock and win it with a barefoot kicker if need be... but, when things were close to hitting the fan, Elway could turn things around.

You mean they should have kept Peyton?

Grigson must line up Irsay good booze and hot blonds guy is a turd.

Even with a good offensive line Luck is going to throw a lot of Int. Guy is a gunslinger and in love with his arm. He takes the chance and threads one in there but the quality corners are gonna get theirs off him and often. I would love to have him what kinda package would we have to put together to make it happen?

Franchise QB's typically command something like two seconds.

I haven't seen much of him, but what I have seen, and alot of what I've heard, reminds me too much of another #1 overall pick -- Drew Bledsoe. Among the best arms I've ever seen, but the decision-making wasn't fast enough, and he LOVED that deep ball baby. "Take what teh defense gives me? **** that, DO YOU KNOW HOW FAST AND HOW FAR I CAN THROW THIS ****ING THING?!? I AIN'T TAKING NO FOUR YARD CHECKDOWN --EVER!"

Drove me bananas. Million dollar arm, ten cent head.

Inexcusable waste of a draft pick, especially considering that they also picked up Andre Johnson in free agency prior to the draft and paid him $22 million dollars on a three year contract.

Everyone wants to bitch about spending high draft picks on the offensive line, but last night was a prime example of why you do so when the opportunity affords itself and when the need is there. You don't get your QB killed for the sake of drafting even more "skill" position players when you've already invested in them.

Costanzo was the only O-lineman worth two shits out there last night. Mewhort is a rookie.

There are 53 players on a roster for a reason.

Since 2000, the Colts have spent a grand total of six picks on the offensive line in the first three rounds. (That's six picks out of a possible 44 over 15 Drafts.):

2007 - Tony Ugoh, 2nd Round
2008 - Mike Pollak, 2nd Round
2011 - Anthony Costonzo, 1st Round; Ben Ijalana, 2nd Round
2013 - Hugh Thorton, 3rd Round
2014 - Jack Mewhort, 2nd Round

Only Costonzo and Mewhort are starting.

That's ****ing horrible.

You want to know why their offensive line looks like a pile of smashed assholes? It's because it is a pile of smashed assholes.

However, I did read it around here that they were the team to beat in 2015, so who knows? I'm sure that they will pull it all together and right there championShip before the end of the season. Because Andy Reid sucks.

Looks like someone is on the verge of being fired

That was a craptastic gameplan the Colts used last night...throwing bombs against the best secondary in the NFL. Jets D-line is top 5 too...bad time to expect long routes to develop.

Gore was having success...and they quit using him. They did miss an easy FG and fumbled on the one....still could have won the game...

That GM might be the worst in the league.

The fumble by Gore inside the 5 was horrible and smiling on the sideline till the cameras hit him told me all I need to know bout where that team is.

Best part of this Colts draft blunder.

Impact of defensive players through 2 games that the Colts passed on to select Phillip Dorsett

Stephone Anthony-11 tackles, 3 TFL, 1 pass defended, 7 run stops
Hau'oli Kikaha-1 sack and 7 total QB pressures, 5 run stops
Malcolm Brown-1 sack and 2 QB hurries, 2 run stops
Preston Smith-1 sack and 1 run stop on only 27 plays

Colts ****ed up and Saints had a great draft

Yeah bro. Luck is the issue. Not your shitty oline, your inability to stop Ryan Fitzpatrick. Definitely Luck. Jesus Christ. If I were luck I'd ask out of Indy asap.

They have a young QB they can try to build a dynasty around and they spend the offseason loading up on 30+ year old players to make a quick run without an OL and Defense. Brilliant !!

That would be the greatest thing to happen ever. The Colts draft Luck and don't win anything with him....and then he just leaves.