Official Draft Travone Boykin Thread
 

Look up highlights on your own.

Draft him, Dorsey.

Bleeeeccccccccch.

Draft a QB. But Boykin? No thanks.

U R Dumb.

Boykin makes reads, has great arm strength, and can run (only runs when he needs to as well).

Boykin is legit.

You misspelled his name.

no1curr.

You don't even know the name of your schools best player. Damn, you're stupid.

I care about how he plays. I don't give a **** about how he spells his name.

Not surprising that a ku fan cares more about spelling someone's name than what that player actually does.

And is...

Undersized
A spread-offense product
Struggled mightily with making the limited reads required for a college offense as a younger player

UR R A HOMER

He's a poverty version of RGIII, who did everything better than Boykin at the college level.

I do not ever want to see a highly touted college spread option QB on my pro team, ever. Boykin is great at TCU and will garner Heisman consideration, but he will fail in the NFL if he stays at QB just likely nearly every other spread option QB has (Mariota looks like he might have a future, as well as Tannehill, but that's it).

Give me a quarterback from a pro set offense.

What the **** are you talking about?

He sucked when we ran a more traditional offense. He only became a QB because Paschall ****ed up. He was a RB/WR prior to that (and by prior to that, I mean during the offseason that year).

When we went to the spread offense, he flourished. He ran a similar offense in high school. He has increased the amount of reads that he makes from when we went to the spread offense.

He's a better prospect than RG3 because he can actually take a hit.

If Mariota has a future in your eyes, then Boykin should as well.

I'm done with wasting Saturdays watching QBs that the Chiefs will never draft.

I'll read stuff about them and watch youtube videos of their highlights, but I'm not watching shit until the Chiefs actually draft a legitimate QB prospect with a high draft pick. Then I'll do my homework.

You could always just become a fan of one of the most awesomest CFB programs ever and just watch TCU on Saturdays. There is room on the bandwagon.

he's fed up with lack of QB play from the Chiefs. he's not gay.

I wrote "spread" instead of "college."

I was trying to say that he looks like a spread product. He struggled with reads and accuracy before TCU went to the spread.

Even making "reads" in a spread offense is very different from making them in an NFL offense. Sorry, but dual-threat spread guys are just not reliable things to hitch NFL hopes to.

He is not a better prospect than RGIII at this point. Griffin was bigger, has a stronger arm, and was more dynamic as a run threat at QB.

You know you could just admit you haven't watched Boykin at all.

Boykin is the same size as RG3 and has comparable arm strength and lolz at more dynamic run threat.

Go watch some highlights.

He struggled with a run-first, poorly designed offensive scheme. TCU's offensive coordinator at the time was a worse play caller than Andy Reid.

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All this. But recall this next time you're eager to defend Aaron Crow or the litany of MU garbage that's played for the Chiefs lately, like when you wanted to start Daniel.

You expect anyone to believe that you've ever watched TCU play?

You don't watch the Royals games, yet still try to have an opinion on them. I wouldn't be surprised if you don't even watch Chiefs games.

I've watched him play plenty.

Robert Griffin III is a legitimate 6-2. I'll be shocked if Boykin actually measures that at pro day. He looks like a 6-footer to me.

He's a great college spread QB, but even in that highlight tape, the reads are limited (like most spread guys, it's just a few reads of very simple route trees), and he's throwing to a lot of guys who are WIDE open. In addition, he doesn't show off a consistently tight spiral.

The arm strength is not that of Robert Grifffin III. It's good enough for the NFL, but it isn't great.

He struggled in a system much closer to what he would need to be an effective NFL starter. That's a big warning sign.

I would prefer to start Chase Daniel at QB over Alex Smith because, while he does have physical limitations, he's less of a ****ing coward when it comes to throwing the ball. He can make any throw Alex Smith will actually attempt, and he will get the ball out quickly and decisively.

I don't want him long-term as the answer and have no delusions about him (he's not Drew Brees). Not have I ever said he is... just that he can provide 90 percent of what Alex Smith does, bar minimum, at a much lower price.

I didn't defend Aaron Crow because he went to Mizzou. I simply have pointed out that he is less of a bust at this point than many guys in his class, and I consider him less of a bust compared to Chris Colon.

I'm not the only one with these thoughts about your boy.

From NFL.com:

"2. Trevone Boykin, TCU

Boykin came out of nowhere last season, posting eye-popping numbers in leading TCU into late-season playoff discussions. Boykin has an elongated throwing motion and very average arm strength, but his playmaking ability is undeniable. Boykin's substantial improvement from 2013 to 2014 was staggering and he will have a majority of his supporting cast back for more in 2015. Despite being listed at 6-foot-2, scouts insist he is closer to 6-0 and they aren't yet sold on Boykin's ability to transition from the TCU system into an NFL offense."

They're wrong.

Obviously not. Nobody watches TCU play.

About what?

His height? We'll find out at the combine.

His throwing motion? It does look long and not-that-quick on tape.

His arm strength? It looks to be adequate for an NFL guy, but it's not anything special (it IS great arm strength for a college QB, though).

Transitioning to pro ball? Look around at the dual-threat spread guys and start thinking about who has actually become an elite or near-elite NFL QB (you'll be thinking forever).

All of that.

BOYKIN IS THE NEXT TOM BRADY!

Lol. This reads like a negative scouting report

It figures that Native would want some asshat named "Doinkin'"

"Hey, I'M DOINKIN' FOR BOINKIN'.

reerun.

Tannehill was a pro set QB.

Kinda applies, kinda doesn't. Yes Oregon ran a spread offenae in a sense, but they had a lot of pro-style concepts built into their offense.

The Ducks offense is..or well at least was very unique.

Huge difference between Mariota and Boykin.

What a craptastic thread. And...who?

Tyler Bray sucks. He can't stay healthy and can't beat out Alice.

Not really.

You should actually watch TCU play before making this statement.

Boykin's numbers are better than RG3's number during his Heisman campaign.

I have. Looks like TCU runs your standard spread offense to me.

Are we still "doinkin' for Boinkin" over here?

LMAO

The Chiefs do need WR's for the new QB to throw to, so sure.

You have a low football IQ.

Absolutely. He's not a project like all the broke dicks that CP is clamoring for.

More evidence of low football IQ.

Does anyone, other than yourself, think this is a good idea?

IE. Are you a homer dumbass who stands alone?

It's not my fault that you guys don't recognize the great tradition that are TCU QBs. Red Rocket is killing it and Boykin will be better than Red Rocket.

One guy establishes a tradition?

When that guy is Ginger Jesus, yes it does.

Well don't keep us in suspense; throw up some reel.

See it's that kind of helpful attitude that will assure you close this deal.

Meh. The customer is not always right.

CBSSports projects him 16th



























At QB

CBSSports is the saccopoo of draft projection.

Hue Jackson had to teach ginger warrior how to be a good NFL QB, but uh yeah hey TCU football guys!!!

Ginger Jesus was born a good NFL QB.

He was actually pretty bad to kinda bad and is now a possible darkhorse for MVP.

Great development, blocking and weapons helps a lot. TCU should be proud of that accomplishment, but it doesn't make them QB U and you're basically trolling about Boykin.

I would expect such an outlook from the Democratic-Socialist...:)

FYP

You can't diminish Red Rocket's greatness. Boykin will be better than Red Rocket.

Sweet.....we'll just have to wait 5 ****ing years.

That is incorrect. Boykin will come out of the gate throwing and running for touchdowns. He would be perfect to plug into our roster provided our shit coaching is fired.

Boykin had another great game last night. Even got Dana Holgerson to high five him because of a great run where he made 3 defenders miss.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...trevone-boykin

Ask 5: What's best NFL comp for TCU QB Trevone Boykin?

TCU senior Trevone Boykin is among the leading Heisman Trophy contenders and is putting up tremendous numbers for the second consecutive season as a dual-threat quarterback. However, many expect he'll have to move to a different position for a chance to make it at the next level. I asked five NFL personnel executives to give me the best player comparison for Boykin. Here are their answers.

Executive 1: Tyrod Taylor
"I'm not a big Boykin guy. He's a better athlete than Taylor, but he's not as good a thrower."

Executive 2: Hines Ward
"They have almost identical builds coming out of college. I think Boykin's best shot at the next level is at wide receiver."

Executive 3: Seneca Wallace
"He reminds me of Wallace. I don't see him as an NFL starter, but he'll be an athletic backup."

Executive 4: Johnny Manziel
"Strictly on the field, he reminds me of Manziel. I think Boykin has a stronger arm than Manziel."

Executive 5: Antwaan Randle El
"He's not a QB (in the NFL), but I like his quickness and elusiveness. Maybe you get lucky and end up with someone like Randle El."

Verdict: That's one vote apiece for Taylor, Ward, Wallace, Manziel and Randle El.

Conclusion: I haven't done a lot of film work on Boykin yet, but after studying him over the summer, I wasn't confident that he had a chance as an NFL quarterback. No matter how he finishes the season, even if TCU wins the national title, the postseason will be huge for Boykin when it comes to all-star games and his decision on whether to stay at quarterback or play a different position.

Hooray for unnamed NFL execs who probably suck at their jobs.

Come on, Native. I understand you went to TCU and are a huge fan, but nobody who watches Boykin with an objective eye believes he will be a successful NFL QB. He's a great athlete, but he lacks the arm talent and size to be a quality starter in the NFL.

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Boykin is a great college QB and great athlete who will have a good NFL career if he is more Randle-El (and embraces moving to another position, like WR) and less Eric Crouch.

You're wrong.

This is wrong.

Since I've been removed from the big white QB circle jerk thread, here's some Boykin stats. None of the broke dicks that the brain trust is clamoring for come close to this.

Stats in a spread offense don't matter as much as how the guy projects to the NFL system. It's a very simple and proven concept.

There have been dozens of great college QBs who put up similar or even better numbers, who didn't work in the NFL.

Great performance in a spread doesn't not equate to NFL success.

Boykin is clutch. He doesn't get rattled. He has an adequate arm for the NFL. He has an ability to extend plays with his legs (but is a pass first QB). He knows how to win.

The kid will be an NFL success.

His size (lack), arm strength (OK but not special), and lack of experience in a pro-style offense, making pro-style reads, throwing to receivers running pro-style routes are more informative about his chances for NFL success than anything you just mentioned.

LMAO

What are pro-style routes? Route trees are route trees.

The spread route tree is much different than the route trees used at the NFL level. Spread is much less complex, much more simple, and requires much less reading of the defense pre-snap and post-snap.

Kind of football 101.

Horseshit.

A slant is a slant.

A post is a post.

A flag is a flag.

Deep crossing routes are deep crossing routes.

And so on and so on.

So, tell us how Boykin did against a real opponent?

He was the bestest. It was everyone else's fault he threw 4 ints

Hot Garbage.

Fanboi will fanboy.
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Watched the entire game on Saturday, first time this season I've watched all of a TCU game. Still don't see pro-style concepts or route trees in that offense. Typical - well-designed - spread.

I could count on both hands the number of actual NFL-style throws that were made by Boykin, and maybe even on one hand. Most passes were short/easy/scheme throws to Alex Smith-open players. (the ones that weren't picked off, anyway).

He's a great college spread QB. Could be a great NFL WR.

LMAO @ idiots who want to judge one game while ignoring shitty games for whatever prospect they like and ignoring the other real opponents that he has beaten.

This was one of the worst games that TCU has played in a long time. Okie lite completely outcoached our coaches and knew our tendencies and go-to plays. Combine that with the god-awful pacing and you get a terrible game from Boykin.

The play calling was ****ing awful. We haven't run that many bubble screens all year (and even last year). Eventhough we had Listenbee back (who is one of the fastest WR in the Big 12), we didn't test down the field until the 2nd half when we were way down.

Also, quite with the route tree bullshit. A post route is a post route. A slant is a slant.

Boykin is a special college player and should be on a very short Heisman list. He's simply not an NFL QB, though.

Agreed