Chiefs' defense is on its way to being historically bad
 

http://espn.go.com/blog/kansas-city-...storically-bad



CINCINNATI -- In an effort to figure out how historically bad this year’s Kansas City Chiefs defense is trending to be, I found something it has already done that defenses run by Greg Robinson and Romeo Crennel never did.

That alone makes it bad.

The Chiefs have allowed 30 or more points in three straight games within a season for the second time in franchise history. The other time was in 1987 but that one comes with a huge asterisk. The Chiefs used replacement players during the labor strike for two of those games.

The Chiefs have allowed 321 yards passing in each of their last two games. That’s an incredible stat considering they haven’t led during either game and the opponent didn’t have to throw. The Packers and Bengals just found it so easy they didn’t want to stop.

You could say the Chiefs were ripped the last two weeks by the two top-rated quarterbacks in the league, Aaron Rodgers and Andy Dalton. That’s true, but that’s still an unusual happening in Chiefs history. They’ve allowed 321-plus passing yards in three straight games twice and 321-plus in two straight games two other times.

But it’s the points where the Chiefs are truly embarrassing themselves. They are on a pace to allow exactly 500, which would blow away the franchise record of 440, set by the 2008 Chiefs.

That team, by the way, finished 2-14.

Cutler is going to look all pro

Paging Eric Hicks...please pick up the red & yellow courtesy phone for an urgent message...

Bob Sutton is a dead man walking at this point.

Wizards is a badass movie

Also if we go 2-14 the good news is its the end of Alex smith.

The entire team has regressed Alex smith and the defense will both break records.

Yep, he will be the scapegoat and Alex and Andy will get a free pass.

if we pick in the top 5 there is no way we will give Alex a free pass.

He ****ing needs to be.

Doubt it.

If anything, if Smith goes they'll try and trade for yet another backup QB to try and Restore the Roar or whatever ****ing stupid plan was at work in 2013 to get asses in the seats.

Thanks for the avatar call out.

And if we go 2 -14 and don't draft a QB with 1.1, 1.2, or 1.3 I'm done as a fan of this team...as I say every year.

He is on a long list of people who should not be here next year I think Andy and Dorsey are the only ones who will get a pass if we pick in the top 5 of next years draft.

Say hello to your top 5 pick.

http://www.uhnd.com/wp-content/uploa...-matchups1.jpg

Cult classic

Watch us take the best LT in the draft I will burn all my chiefs gear.

:cuss::cuss::cuss: Damn you for being right!!!! :cuss::cuss::cuss:

beside cutler being a FA maybe next year what Backup QB could the chiefs even think of getting the market is dry next year thank god.

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/1YVrxFmheSc" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

I actually don't have a problem with us picking a LT if Stephenson is below average.

It's not like they're going to pick a QB anyway, so, **** it.

Welcome to KC Colin Kappernick!!!

I just don't see how we cant pick a QB in such a deep draft for one

If Detroit craters to < 5 wins this year, *in theory* Stafford and Smith could be swapped for similar cap hits. Smith is under control for a longer period of time but Stafford has a bigger percentage of guaranteed money.

I'm going to be a complete asshole.

I want us to draft Jaylon Smith in the 1st round. He's everything that Manti Te'o wasn't.

We can just grab a QB like Kessler in the 2nd. Shit...I wouldn't be surprised if Hackenberg falls to the 2nd either.

Kapernick might be the only QB in the NFL right now playing worst then smith.

Getting Stafford would be ok for me there are worst fates.

Because we have to fill our "support the noodle arm" needs.

Sutton needs to go back to the multiple safety zone defense he played in year 2

We have more depth at safety than we do anywhere else


The zone defense was much more effective than his man-to-man.


What would be ideal is to play some of both each game. Since Sutton can't seem to play more than one type of defense each year we need to go back to zone/stack

The NFL is a collectively conservative organization.

If Alex Smith has such ardent defenders here and in other NFL fan discussion venues in spite of his obvious deficiencies, then you have to believe that pro personnel guys and coaches inside and outside of Kansas City think that Smith isn't the problem we know him to be. In their minds, there is more value in chasing good money after bad by investing in draft picks for the offensive line and defense and spending FA cash to receivers in order to make Smith look serviceable.

What I want to know is why is the defense so bad? Its the same players as last year, plus Devito and DJ who are upgrades. What the **** are they doing different thats making them so terrible?

Issues with the secondary and a DC that steadfastly refuses to make any sort of adjustments based on the personnel he has at his disposal or what the opposing O is doing.

Poe and Hali are complete garbage in the pass rush department this year.

DJ and DeVito are old and coming off injuries, Poe is playing hurt and Houston is the only pass rusher and gets washed out of plays because of this.

No pass rush = no wins.

Yep the Wheels have fallen off on Hali I would rather we just put Ford in at this point.

The defense didn't allow 30 points vs. Denver

I have to think the loss of BIG CAT is a huge part of this.

That was a double digit sack guy we gave up on!

Hunt's are getting fleeced once again with this coaching staff.

This defense sucks because our D-Coordinator is an idiot and Hali's wheels have fallen off. The pass rush has REALLY exposed our missing CB's.

And our D-Coordinator is an idiot.

If you think we will follow this trend through 16 games you're a complete moron

And a dumbass

We just faced two HOF QBs.

Two top 5 offensive teams.

Three top 5 teams.

And.

We.

Got.

Embarrassed.

The offense is also converting something like 15% of its 3rd downs.

That is ****ing horrendous.

Expect the defense to perform much better over the next several games.

I don't think the defense is as bad as they've performed in the last 2 weeks.....but they've shown that they're definitely not a top 5 defense. Tackling is shitty. The DC refuses to adjust during the game. No ****ing passrush.

And there's no doubt about that.

Anyone that wasn't a homer could have guessed as much heading into this season, though. Last year we had a collection of guys that overachieved their asses off.

A regression was inevitable.

His fail isn't even the same ball park as Reid.

Reid has had horrible in game decision making, horrible play calling, as well as at least some say in the roster.

And Sutton hasn't been that good so far but he's at least had success in the past to look back on....

Our defense is probably close to middle of the pack

The whole team is playing very uninspired football. The D remains listless the entire 60 minutes while the offense wakes up once they are down 20+ points.

I'm not sure the talent is as good as people thought it was. Sutton can take some of the blame, but at the end of the day Fleming, Cooper, Branch and Parker have all been picked on and haven't been able to do much. Berry doesn't look 100%, and neither does Poe. Ford apparently can't beat out a quickly descending Hali. Plus, you have Smith out 3 games, Gaines out and a rookie CB who has flashed but has probably given up 5 TDs so far this year.

This I think the team has kinda of gave up after the den game they look done out there

Wasnt there 2 TDs in the Broncos game that weren't defensive related at all? A pick six and a fumble?

Keep in mind that BOTH of those plays could have been prevented by the HC.

If the HC kneels the ball they don't happen. One sends us in to half time with a 7 point lead and the other sends us to OT with a chance to win.

Just by smart decision making by the HC the poor play of our players could have been overcome. Instead the HC $3it his pants as well...

It's hard to blame the secondary too much when we get no pressure on the QB.

IM just saying there should be an asterisk with this stat. You cant hang those points on the defense.

I got so much crap from delusional homers on here when I said weeks ago Sutton will be the first one fired.

now everyone agrees

Sutton can't be the scapegoat for three years of offensive line failure and Red zone failures yet again

Our defense should still be way better than it is but a lot of our guys aren't nearly as good as we thought.
Below average guys that are supposed to be pro bowlers
DJ
Poe
Berry
Hali
Then we have a few guys in the secondary who can't tackle to save their lives
Ron Parker has to be one of the worst tackling safeties in the entire league.
Sean Smith gives no effort against the run
Peters while willing, hasn't been tackling well.
Gaines same situation as peters

Bailey is average at best against the run, he's got a few sacks but generally applies no pressure.
Howard is an animal against the run but can't pas Rush at all.
Abdullah is average.
Mauga, Fleming, Cooper are all God awful.

It will only get worst for the homers here I think Cutler is going to have a 3-4 td day

or ya know, it could be the one trick pony defensive scheme and awful coaching putting these guys in the wrong place.

I don't believe in that many good players just all magically lose their football talent and become below average/invisible in one offseason. A whole side of the ball doesn't lose their talent that quick.

Don't forget Vonnie Holiday and Shawn Barber

DJ is old and was hurt last year.
Hali is old
Berry was sick

On top of all that we have an idiot defensive coordinator. I think the majority (including me) on this board thought with the return of Sean Smith the secondary would look better.

Well, it didn't.

This.

Sutton is ****ing this all up.

No Golden Flamers.

If gaines was still out there I think our d would look better

No....Heck can take care of that for him.

Defense wins championships. I'll say it every week we lose and give up more than 20 points.

Hali is an old man that has nothing left. Have you noticed how terrible he's been in run defense? No containment on outside runs at all. I've really yet to form an opinion of Berry as I hardly ever hear his name called during a game. One thing is for certain. With Hali falling off a cliff, Houston has to generate a pass-rush all by himself. That's not possible and that's why there's no pressure. No pressure=burnt secondary

Obviously Sutton plays a big role, and he is putting a lot of his guys in position to fail, and he isn't putting guys in position to succeed. Branch covering Cobb in the slot, Berry being the single high safety vs being the box safety which is what got him first team all pro honors.. Parker our saftey with the most range, who also can't tackle playing in the box, Hali playing man coverage against a 4.5 TE, Our only edge rusher worth a hoot (Houston) dropping back on obvious passing downs etc. But in the end of the day our so called pro bowlers aren't even playing at an average level... They all have legitimate reasons, but it's the gods honest truth. And that is not Suttons fault.
DJ is old and is coming off an achilles injury. Hali is old, Poe was average last year, and he's coming off a back injury, Berry just had a cancer a few months ago.

You can blame Sutton for a hell of a lot of things, but you cant blame him for Hali not contaning the edge on literally every outside play to his side. You can't blame him for Poe getting blown off the ball, and not getting any sort of pass rush what so ever. You can't blame him for DJ getting blocked out of plays, whiffing on tackles, and getting burnt in coverage by running backs. You can't blame him for our entire secondary offering 0 run support. You can't blame him Allen Bailey getting blown off the ball, and getting 2 pressures on the QB all game.

EVERY SINGLE FREAKING PLAY.

The Patriots won 35-31 and 28-24 in the playoffs and SB last year.

The last 10 Super Bowls champions were on the winning end of these scores in the playoffs and/or SB:

35-31
28-24
38-35
34-31
48-21
31-25
31-28
35-24
27-23
23-20
38-34
41-27
24-21


If you can't score more than 21 points in the playoffs you are not winning a championship:

- 2003 ravens balanced teams win championships

Never go full reerun and they have reached that point.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/X6WHBO_Qc-Q" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Ballgame. Good night folks, drive safely.

You truly cannot go a single thread without bleeding all over the place about Smith, can you.

The Seahawks allowed 8 points in the Super Bowl, so you're obviously missing something here. This is extremely disingenuous.

Yes you have to be able to score points... but this theory that offense is all that matters isn't right. When Aaron Rodgers won, he had a top 5 defense. He hasn't since, and how many titles has he won? The Patriots had the 8th ranked defense last year. The Seahawks have had one of the best defenses in modern history the last two years.

And even the teams that won with poor defensive seasons played well in the playoffs. The 2011 Giants were terrible on defense during the year, but allowed 14 ppg in the playoffs. The 2006 Colts were awful on defense, they got eviscerated by Jacksonville at the end of the regular season. In the playoffs they allowed 16 ppg and shut down the Chiefs and Ravens. This idea you can win shootouts every week isn't right. Even the 99 Rams won the NFC title game 11-6. At some point your defense has to step up and carry a game. Anyone who watched about 4 seconds of the Vermeil era should know this.

Pretty sure he said playoffs and/or SB.

You have to win those 28-24 games to get to the SB.

And FWIW, Rodgers helped create that Top 5 defense because teams were regularly playing from way behind.

Poe was rushed back, easy to see he's not 100%.

Hali is slowing down, but the effort is still there, he was constantly harassing fivehead, and laid the best hit of the night on him... he was great that game.

Lets atleast blame the right people for whats going on

jonzie, how are Poes SIX sacks from a nose tackle last year average?

Like I said to Clay, lets atleast rag on the right people.

This site is so ridiculous when it comes to defense.

We gave up an average of 17.6 PPG last season and there were still people blaming the defense.

With all of the rule changes that make it easier on offenses and a ridiculous pay scale that emphasizes QB play, it shouldn't be the defense that's expected to carry you.

or the fact that we have 2 interceptions and 1 forced fumble and are one of the worst in the league at generating turnovers from this scheme, which I believe is Sutton putting people in the completely wrong place rather than guys just turning into "average" overnight like you are basing your point on.

This.

Apparently it takes 11 PPG against for the defense to make Alex Smith look good.

(first 9 games of 2013)

This it starts at QB