The writer organized his list by who would be available at the 27th pick in the draft...
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Laremy Tunsil*, T, Mississippi: 6-5, 310. Started 28 games at left tackle. "Outstanding athlete," one scout said. "Long arms. Moves well. He played against some of the best pass rushers in college football and shut them down. Tough." Doesn't work to finish blocks on a consistent basis. "He might be a little lighter on his feet than (Ronnie) Stanley," a second scout said. Top-five pick.
Ronnie Stanley*, T, Notre Dame: 6-6, 312. Junior left tackle. "Good player, but I don't think he's special," said one scout. "He's in the top seven, eight (picks). He's a better player than the Giants took at No. 9 last year (tackle Ereck Flowers)." Not a great worker and doesn't always play hard. Three-year starter (39 games) at LT. "He needs to get stronger," another scout said. "He probably has the best pass set. He's really good technically as a pass blocker. Left tackle." Extremely long arms (355/8 inches).
Carson Wentz, QB, North Dakota State: 6-5, 237. Played behind Waupaca's Brock Jensen until 2014. A wrist injury in '15 limited him to just 23 career starts. "He's a big guy with a big arm," said one scout. "The ball gets there. He's not a scrambler per se but he has speed. He might be the most physically talented of the group. Would I be nervous with this guy? Absolutely. But if you have no quarterback at all, what do you got to lose?" Finished with an NFL passer rating of 105.2. Scored 29 on the 50-question Wonderlic intelligence test. "He's got an arm," another scout said. "But it's such a long way from that level of play to the NFL at any position, let alone quarterback."
Jared Goff*, QB, California: 6-4, 215. Third-year junior with 37 starts. "He might be the most ready," one scout said. "Thing I don't like is his slender build. He did not have a lot of talent around him. Does he have a great arm? No, but it's good enough. I'd be nervous taking him above 10." Posted an NFL passer rating of 98.9. "In terms of arm talent, he'll be like (Jay) Cutler," another scout said. "Skinny kid. Gets hit a bunch. He doesn't see everything. Accuracy is off at times, but he is talented. He can really spin it. Really good feet."
Paxton Lynch*, QB, Memphis: 6-7, 244. Fourth-year junior. "There's stuff he doesn't see but, boy, is he a great athlete for a big guy," one scout said. "He's got good feet and can make all the throws." His NFL passer rating of 93.5 included 110.6 in 2015. "Big production in a lot of games, so-so in some others," another scout said. "Pretty good athlete for a big kid. Excellent size. He's got a big ceiling. It's a weird group of quarterbacks. None of them are just ready-made and none of them show consistency. They're good, solid starters. None of them are Pro Bowl-caliber type quarterbacks. I would take (Jameis) Winston and (Marcus) Mariota over these guys. No question."
Joey Bosa*, DE, Ohio State: 6-5, 269. Third-year junior with 26 sacks and 50½ tackles for loss in 37 starts. "He's a top-three, top-four player," said one scout. "He could be the first pick in the draft. Very strong. Can play the run and he rushes the passer well. Plays with good intensity." Father, John, was a bust (seven sacks in three seasons) as a DE drafted with the 16th pick by Miami in 1987. "He's a little better version of Justin Smith when he came out of Missouri (in 2001)," said another scout. "Little better athlete. Strong, tough guy like that. Good motor."
A'Shawn Robinson*, DT, Alabama: 6-4, 307. Third-year junior. "He doesn't play with the same consistency that (Jarran) Reed does," said one scout. "He's not stiff. He can play 3-technique or 5-technique. I don't like him as a nose because he plays tall." Started 30 of 42 games, finishing with 9 sacks and 22 tackles for loss. Won't turn 21 until next month. "Big run stuffer with pass-rush ability," one scout said.
DeForest Buckner, DE, Oregon: 6-7, 291. Started 38 of 54 games. "Comes in and starts," one scout said. "Not as dynamic obviously as Bosa. More of a run-down player for a 3-4 team, but he has some pass rush to him." Finished with 18 sacks and 36 tackles for loss. Wonderlic score of 9. ROFL Widely regarded as a better prospect than former Duck DE Arik Armstead, who went 17th last year to the 49ers. "They play a two-gap 3-4 there," said another scout. "He's got a chance to be an impact guy. He kind of plays all across the front." Hands measured an incredible 11¾ inches.
Myles Jack*, ILB, UCLA: 6-1, 245. Third-year junior. "He's the best player in the draft," one scout said. "He's a slam dunk. He can play modern-day football. He ain't never leaving the field." Suffered torn lateral meniscus in practice after the third game last season and immediately left team. Cleared for workouts Jan. 22. Also played extensively as a RB in 2013-'14. "He's a 'will' but he's kind of a freak," said another scout. "You see him walk out to the slot and cover receivers. He can also play in the box. I'm betting he'd go in the first three rounds as a running back. He's a much better player than Shaq Thompson a year ago. Will run in the 4.5s. He can play inside in a 3-4 but that'd be kind of a waste for him."
Jalen Ramsey*, CB-S, Florida State: 6-1, 209. Third-year junior split time between CB and safety. "He could be the first pick," said one scout. "He's going to blow this combine out. He'll run in the 4.3s. Super competitive. Very smart. Very long. Very physical." Just three interceptions in 41 starts. "I don't know if the movement's quite there for corner but he can really run and he's athletic and he's smooth," said another scout. "I think he's probably better covering tight ends and backs than walking out."
Vernon Hargreaves*, CB, Florida: 5-10, 204. Third-year junior. "I do think he's the best corner," said one scout. "He's a smoother cover guy than Ramsey." Started 37 games and had 10 interceptions. "Very smart, very instinctive," said one scout. "Joe Haden-type player. Gets his hands on a lot of balls. Very physical in the run game. Competitor. Only thing he lacks is Jalen's size."
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Laquon Treadwell*, WR, Mississippi: 6-2, 221. Bounced back from a gruesome leg injury in November 2014 with 82-catch, 1,153-yard final season. "Most likely he is the first wide receiver taken, but that's not a slam dunk," one scout said. "He's a physical, stronger guy. DeVante Parker last year was a very similar player. Good route runner." From Crete, Ill. "He's big, has made some great catches and can run with the ball," another scout said.
Ezekiel Elliott*, RB, Ohio State: 6-0, 225. Two-year starter with 592 carries for 3,961 yards (6.7) and 43 TDs. "He's a complete three-down back," one scout said. "He's really good." Stunned some scouts by telling reporters after loss to Michigan State that he didn't get the ball enough and was done as a Buckeye. "Declaring for the draft and making those statements right after a loss were very disappointing," another scout said. "Is he a selfish player? Is it all about him? He's going to have to answer a lot of questions." Ran a 4.47 40.
Jarran Reed, DT, Alabama: 6-3, 307. Played two seasons of junior college before starting two seasons for Crimson Tide. "I didn't realize how well he ran until he chased down (Carson) Wentz in the Senior Bowl," one scout said. "I'd take him (mid-first round) and not look back. You don't see his pass rush but I think he can. I think he can play nose, too." Finished with 6½ sacks and 21½ tackles for loss. "He doesn't thrill me," another scout said. "He's a nose tackle. Maybe somebody will get fired up on him. Not a pass-rush guy."
Robert Nkemdiche*, DT, Mississippi: 6-3, 294. Kicked off team 10 days before Rebels' bowl game after having his 15-foot fall from a hotel wall interrupted by a bush. "I was drunk," he said Friday. "It was a blunder. I have changed. I have cleaned up a little bit." Third-year junior started 34 games. "He's really a different kid," said one scout. "He may scare some people. He's strange strange." Finished with seven sacks. "He's got as much ability as anybody, if not more," another scout said. "Three-technique is his best position. He's a little bit up and down, but his good plays are very, very good. But there's some things that have to be answered and worked through." Added a third scout: "His character will keep him off the board for us. He's talented enough to be in the top 10. But holy (expletive), buyer beware on this one."
Kevin Dodd*, DE, Clemson: 6-5, 277. Fourth-year junior. "He's a little better than (teammate) Shaq Lawson," one scout said. "Really came on. His best games were probably the last six in his career, which always helps. Quality kid, all that stuff. He's a 4-3 DE pass rusher or an outside backer in a 3-4." Had 12 sacks in 39 games (15 starts).
Shaq Lawson*, DE, Clemson: 6-3, 269. Third-year junior. "Top 25," said one scout. "Pass rusher. Long arms. Really came on this year. Played behind (Vic) Beasley in the past. Totally different than Beasley. Beasley was a speed rusher. This guy's got speed and athleticism. He's just a bigger guy." Posted 20 sacks in 43 games (16 starts).
Sheldon Rankins, DT, Louisville: 6-11/2, 299. Undersized 3-technique with 29 starts in four seasons. "He's a move guy," one scout said. "If you put him at nose and don't move him you're going to be wasting him. He can run. He'll play at 315, 320." Models his game after Aaron Donald, J.J. Watt and Geno Atkins. "I can play in any scheme and all three downs," he said.
Emmanuel Ogbah*, DE, Oklahoma State: 6-4, 273. Fourth-year junior. "Whoever takes him will get an excellent player," one scout said. "He can play any position except nose. He does what they tell him to do. He plays the defense." Consistent production (28 sacks, 36 starts) over three seasons. "Good effort player," another scout said. "Very explosive. Late first, early second." Arms were 35½.
Reggie Ragland, ILB, Alabama: 6-1, 247. Started two of four years. "Ragland is a great kid, great leader, great person, great worker," said one scout with intimate knowledge of the Crimson Tide program. "His speed is good enough." Dropped 12 pounds in the last month, presumably in hopes of running a competitive 40 Sunday. Several scouts said he wasn't as good as C.J. Mosley, the Alabama ILB who went in the first round to Baltimore in 2014. Scored 10 in first attempt at the Wonderlic."Alabama runs probably the toughest defense in college football to understand, and he ran the show," another scout said. "He had to bide his time to run the show. He did it only his senior year. He's a pretty serious football player. Very tough, very athletic, could cover really well. Mosley is a little more versatile than Ragland but Ragland can take the pounding a little bit more."
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Corey Coleman*, WR, Baylor: 5-11, 194. Caught 173 passes for 3,009 yards (17.4) and 33 TDs. "Really dynamic player," one scout said. "Got a ton of catches and big plays. It'll take a little bit of time when he comes in the league just like all the Baylor receivers because they don't run a route tree. There's a development to his game that he needs." Compared by another scout to Anquan Boldin.
Josh Doctson, WR, Texas Christian: 6-2, 202. Caught 35 passes as a true freshman at Wyoming before transferring. "He's got great hands," one scout said. "He may have the best hands of the bunch." Late-season wrist injury that required surgery concerns some teams. "He's very similar to (Laquon) Treadwell," another scout said.
Tyler Boyd*, WR, Pittsburgh: 6-1, 197. Established school records with 254 receptions and 3,361 yards (13.2) in three seasons. "Very smooth," said one scout. "Good hands. Good route runner. He has a chance to be in the latter part of the first (round)." Ran a disappointing 4.58.
Hunter Henry*, TE, Arkansas: 6-5, 250. Moved to the head of the tight end group after Alabama's O.J. Howard returned for his senior season. "It'd be a reach to take a tight end in the first round," one scout said. "He's not a dynamic, special athlete, difference-maker like some of the tight ends that have come out recently. Like Eric Ebron or Jordan Reed or Tyler Eifert or Zach Ertz or Travis Kelce. All those guys had more athletic-receiver traits than this guy." Much faster than Green Bay's Richard Rodgers and has comparable hands, according to another scout. "He's a complete tight end," said one scout. "More of a pass catcher but he's got enough size to block." Started 30 of 38 games, finishing with 116 receptions for 1,661 (14.3) and nine TDs.
Jack Conklin*, T, Michigan State: 6-6, 308. Walk-on from Plainwell, Mich., who earned scholarship shortly after his redshirt season. "He's a mass blocker, not an explosive blocker," one scout said. "I think he's a guard or a right tackle." Started 35 games at LT and three at RT. "He's a typical Big Ten offensive lineman," another scout said. "Big, tough, nasty. Late first round." Added a third scout: "Finisher. Doesn't have elite left tackle feet but his feet are good enough. Very consistent." He compared Conklin to Green Bay RT Bryan Bulaga. 40 time of 5.00.
Travis Decker, T, Ohio State: 6-7, 310. Started all 42 games from 2013-'15 at LT. "He'll end up being a right tackle," one scout said. "OK athlete. Tough kid, smart, good length. He just ends up being so high he gets pushed. He's better than the (Jack) Mewhort kid was." Co-captain in 2015. "I'm not as excited about him," a second scout said. "He does have some toughness and is pretty sound in his technique, but he's limited athletically." Just 20 reps on the bench press.
Ryan Kelly, C, Alabama: 6-4, 311. Three-year starter. "Great kid," said one scout. "Leader. Has great initial quickness. Savvy. He's not overly powerful. Turned down the Senior Bowl. Plays with leverage. Athletic enough in the screen game. Really good at the second level." Took over in 2013 for long-time starter Barrett Jones. "He's significantly better than Barrett Jones," said another scout. "Not even in the same category. Jones didn't have nearly the ability that Kelly has. He's the best center in the draft."
Jason Spriggs, T, Indiana: 6-6, 301. Started 47 games at LT. "He may go late one or top of two," said one scout. "Athletic kid. Had a good Senior Bowl. He's got size, he's got length and does have left tackle type feet. He'll continue to rise." Excelled in three other sports as a high school athlete. "Strictly a left tackle," another scout said. "He is athletic. Maybe he sits a year and works his way into the lineup. Offensive linemen go (early) because there's such a need, but I don't see him being any more than a solid starter." Turned in a sensational workout. His 40 time of 4.94 was the best among offensive linemen, and he did 31 reps on the bench.
Shon Coleman*, T, Auburn: 6-5, 307. Was diagnosed with leukemia in spring 2010, underwent treatment and finally was cleared for limited practice two years later. "He's actually a very humble kid," one scout said. "That (leukemia) is a big deal now. He had 30 months of treatment. That kind of slowed him down, but he's a worker." Backed up Greg Robinson in 2013 before making 25 starts at LT. "Very talented," another scout said. "That offense is hard to evaluate because they don't do a lot of traditional, basic pass protection."
Nick Martin, C-G, Notre Dame: 6-4, 299. Older brother Zack was a four-year starter at LT for the Irish before being drafted in the first round by Dallas in 2014 as a RG. "He's close to his brother only because of blood," one scout said. "He's just not as good a player. Not as athletic. He'll play in the league, yes." Most of his 37 starts were at center but also projects to guard. "Tough, try-hard kid," another scout said. "He's got the intangibles like his brother but not the athlete."
Cody Whitehair, G, Kansas State: 6-4, 301. Four-year starter. "He was a college left tackle but will be a guard," one scout said. "Probably the best guard in the draft. Very steady. Always in great position. Great feet. Knows how to play." Handicapped to an extent by short arms (32 inches). "He's stiff," said another scout. "I'm not as enthused with him as other people. Real smart guy." Hurt himself with merely 16 reps on the bench.
Connor Cook, QB, Michigan State: 6-4, 217. Three-year starter with a 34-5 record. "He's got a great winning percentage, an average arm and a quick release," one scout said. "I don't know if his teammates really love him." Wasn't elected as a team captain. "He can make all the throws and he's got some strength to him and he can run," another scout said. "It's all the other stuff. How much he really likes ball and how much he's going to work at it. He likes being a celebrity." NFL passer rating was 95.1. "Cook speaks well and looks good when he speaks, but he's not the sharpest guy," a third scout said. "He's not a high football IQ guy."
Christian Hackenberg*, QB, Penn State: 6-4, 223. Third-year junior. "He's got an incredible amount of talent," one scout said. "There are times he makes incredible throws and times he makes stupid throws. Does the pressure rattle him? That's the key. The changeover in coaches has probably brought him down." Flourished as a freshman (NFL passer rating of 89.0) before coach Bill O'Brien departed for the Texans. His rating in 2014-'15 dipped to 75.6. "After his freshman year people looked at him as the first pick in the draft," another scout said. "He could be as talented as any of these quarterbacks. He's got the arm, the body and is actually a competitor. But the coaches there at Penn State didn't play to his strengths. A premier type talent like that is so hard to find these days. I could see him going latter part of the first round."
Derrick Henry*, RB, Alabama: 6-3, 247. Heisman Trophy winner started just 17 of 41 games. "He's very similar to (Eddie) Lacy," one scout said. "He's the workhorse." Rushed for 2,219 yards last season, bringing his three-year totals to 602 carries for 3,591 (6.0) and 42 TDs. "Great kid," another scout said. "Great production. Strong runner. Had a lot of wear and tear. Upright style of running." 40 time of 4.54.
Noah Spence*, DE, Eastern Kentucky: 6-2, 251. Ended up at Eastern Kentucky after being suspended indefinitely at Ohio State for failed drug tests. "Multiple trust things got him kicked out," said one scout. "Some question marks about his character. Pass rushers are a premium, and he is that." Had a strong week at the Senior Bowl. "He could go anywhere from 15 to 35," a second scout said. "It's all on the off-field stuff. All it takes is one team to be OK with it. Especially with guys like Randy Gregory...you get nervous." Played well as an outside linebacker at OSU. Had 11½ sacks in only season at EKU.
Andrew Billings*, NT, Baylor: 6-0½, 311. Third-year junior with 30 starts. "They bill him as the strongest college football player," one scout said. "He's a limited athlete, but he's got incredible strength." Had 5½ sacks in 2015. Likens his style of play to Vince Wilfork. "He's the true nose," another scout said. "They rant and rave about how strong he is, but he just doesn't play that way all the time. I see him second or third round."
Vernon Butler, DT, Louisiana Tech: 6-4, 323. Two-year starter with extremely long arms (351/8) and large hands (10¾). "Big 5-technique," one scout said. "He can do a lot of things. I'd be a little skittish of him there (late first round)." Just five sacks in 48 games (28 starts). "Everybody here loves him," another scout said. "More second round. Nose tackle and 3-technique."
Jonathan Bullard, DE, Florida: 6-3, 285. Started 36 of 50 games. "He had his best year (in 2015)," one scout said. "Thought about coming out last year. Helped himself. He's been dinged up. More of a 4-3 DE than an outside linebacker. He'll go second or third round just because of limitations on flexibility." Posted 12 sacks and 33½ tackles for loss.
Kenny Clark*, DT, UCLA: 6-3, 314. Third-year junior. "Very similar to Billings," one scout said. "Good football player. Second round. He has always played nose." A scout for a 3-4 team said Clark fits better as a 3-technique. "He has some pass rush in him," the scout said. "Wish he was more consistent." Two-year starter with seven sacks.
Austin Johnson*, DT, Penn State: 6-4, 314. Fourth-year junior. "Fits multiple schemes," said one scout. "Late first, early second. Like him. Plays more 3-technique but he can play nose." Registered 8½ sacks in 38 games (28 starts). Short arms (32¾). "For me it's all about running to the ball," Johnson said. "I like 3-technique but I can play whatever."
Adolphus Washington, DT, Ohio State: 6-3, 298. Prevented from playing in the bowl game by coach Urban Meyer after his arrest for soliciting a prostitute. "I think about it on a daily basis," he said. "I had never been in trouble or failed a drug test. It was just an impulsive decision." Finished with 13½ sacks in 49 games (31 starts). "Losing the last game because of that...God, what an idiot," said one scout. "He's a late second-rounder now." Wonderlic of 16. "I like him but he gets knocked around, he really does," another scout said. "He plays light. He's got a good first step. He's a 3-technique all the way."
Chris Jones*, DT, Mississippi State: 6-6, 310. Third-year junior. "Interesting guy. Real interesting," one scout said. "Big long guy. Can run. I don't know if he knows he don't know (anything) yet. Five-technique. He can rush. Second round." Started just three games in first two seasons before starting 13 at DT in '15. "He could easily be in the top 50 but he is such a dog," said another scout. "He's an underachiever. Very good ability." Said Jones: "I'm a flamboyant personality. I'm a cheerful guy. Sky's the limit."
Leonard Floyd*, OLB, Georgia: 6-6, 244. Fourth-year junior. "He has a DeMarcus Ware kind of body," one scout said. "Could play D-end, could play outside backer. Has first-round traits and some third-round, fourth-round inconsistency." Started 32 of 38 games, finishing with 17 sacks. "His lack of bulk and strength is going to be a concern for some teams," another scout said. "He's got good pass-rush skills and instincts. People will be concerned about him because of Barkevious Mingo and Dion Jordan in recent years."
Jaylon Smith*, ILB, Notre Dame: 6-2, 240. Seven weeks removed from suffering knee damage (torn ACL, torn lateral collateral ligament, some nerve damage) and might not be ready to play at all in 2016. "If he didn't have the blown knee I think he's in the top 10," one scout said. "Maybe he falls because of that and is there for Green Bay (at No. 27). If so, they lucked into a great player." Third-year junior with 39 starts in 39 games. "I view myself as the best player in the draft," he said. "I'm going to be a very impactful player for a long time." Projects inside in a 3-4 and on the weak side in a 4-3. "Athletic, really good pass rusher and he's also got cover skills," another scout said. "He's better than Manti Te'o."
Darron Lee*, OLB, Ohio State: 6-1, 232. Redshirt sophomore started all 28 games in 2014-'15. "Run, see, hit type guy," one scout said. "Little bit like Myles Jack. Very athletic. Little undersized. 4-3 'will' or 3-4 inside backer. Immediate nickel backer." Had 12 sacks, 27½ tackles for loss and three interceptions. "More of a finesse guy than anything," another scout said. "Has to be covered up. He goes out and plays on the slot a lot. First-round talent."
Su'a Cravens*, OLB-S, Southern California: 6-1, 226. Projects himself as another Deone Bucannon, the Cardinals' strong safety who shifted to ILB in '15. "I think that's what this kid is," said one scout. "Probably a nickel backer. For a 4-3 team he's probably not much different than Shaq Thompson that went in the first round (No. 25) last year. I don't see him being a first. I just don't see the production." His 14 turnover plays included nine picks. "He's not (Troy) Polamalu but he's a good player," another scout said. "Everybody wants to make a linebacker out of him. I think he can play safety."
Eli Apple*, CB, Ohio State: 6-1, 199. Redshirt sophomore renounced final two seasons of eligibility. "He's raw," one scout said. "He's a man-cover corner. He'd benefit from not having to start right off the bat. Not getting beat early. The physical stuff is there. He gets by with size and speed but not really good fundamentals. That's great on the college level where they allow you to grab downfield." Had four picks, 18 passes defensed.
Kendall Fuller*, CB, Virginia Tech: 5-11, 187. Third-year junior. Suffered torn meniscus three games into last season, underwent a microfracture procedure and never returned. "If he wasn't hurt he'd be a first-rounder," one scout said. "He'll probably end up being top of the second based on size and ability. His sophomore film really was very good." Older brothers Vincent (CB-S), Corey (WR) and Kyle (CB) all either played or are playing in the NFL. "He's faster than his brother in Chicago (Kyle)," said another scout. "He's not as good a football player or as strong."
Xavien Howard*, CB, Baylor: 6-0, 201. Fourth-year junior. "He probably has a chance to be a late first because of the height-weight-speed factor," one scout said. "Top 50 for sure. Man-cover corner. Decent ball skills. He is tough to throw on. Not a lot of balls completed on him. He can run with almost all receivers. He tracks the ball well. Physical." Picked off 10 passes in 39 games.
Artie Burns*, CB, Miami: 6-0, 193. Third-year junior. "He's going to run very well (Monday)," one scout said. "Then he'll climb." Started 23 of 36 games, finishing with seven interceptions. "Howard is a much better player but he could slide into the top 50 because of the nature of the position, the size and the speed," said another scout. "I don't love him. He's not very instinctive. More of a height-weight-speed type player that shows flashes."
Based on interviews with executives in personnel for five teams, it is possible to narrow down just a little bit the pool of players that might be considered by the Green Bay Packers regardless of position if they exercise their current 27th selection in the first round of the NFL draft April 28.
Prospects are conservatively divided into three categories: As Good As Gone – barring negative developments, these players have virtually no chance of reaching No. 27; Probably Gone — players who appear to have no better than a 50-50 chance of remaining on the board at No. 27; and The Next Level — players who figure to fall next.
The Packers have their own selection in all seven rounds. They're also likely to be awarded at least one compensatory pick next month for the free-agent losses of cornerbacks Tramon Williams and Davon House in 2015.
Urc Burry
02-28-2016 01:09 PM
Interesting stuff. Love me some Corey Coleman... And it is hard to pin where Nkemdiche is going to end up
Not that it really matters, but I heard from a pretty reliable source that Wentz's wrist injury came from punching a locker after their loss
Mr. Laz
02-28-2016 01:24 PM
Maylock is just nuts over this group of Dline.
says it's elite and deep, great talent will still be around in the 3rd round.
:shrug:
DJ's left nut
03-01-2016 11:03 AM
If Eli Apple were there for us at 28, I'm leaning that direction.
The Franchise
03-01-2016 11:08 AM
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If Eli Apple were there for us at 28, I'm leaning that direction.
I'm leaning towards Will Fuller....for obvious reasons.
O.city
03-01-2016 11:09 AM
Apple
Bullard
Sheppard
First 3 rounds?
The Franchise
03-01-2016 11:10 AM
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Apple
Bullard
Sheppard
First 3 rounds?
Give me Jaylon Smith in the 4th and I'm ok with that.
RunKC
03-01-2016 11:47 AM
I just can't see the Steelers passing on Apple.
Who I think Dorsey will like at 28 IMO
Braxton Miller
Reggie Ragland
Will Fuller
Germain Ifedi
A'Shawn Robinson
DJ's left nut
03-01-2016 11:55 AM
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I just can't see the Steelers passing on Apple.
Who I think Dorsey will like at 28 IMO
Braxton Miller
Reggie Ragland
Will Fuller
Germain Ifedi
A'Shawn Robinson
I'd be shocked if Ragland made it that far.
And I've decided I'd definitely be annoyed if he took Braxton Miller in the first. That said, those 3 cone times are going to get Dorsey pretty riled up. And my viable later alternative to him, Shepard, disappointed a bit.
O.city
03-01-2016 11:59 AM
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I'd be shocked if Ragland made it that far.
And I've decided I'd definitely be annoyed if he took Braxton Miller in the first. That said, those 3 cone times are going to get Dorsey pretty riled up. And my viable later alternative to him, Shepard, disappointed a bit.
Nah, Shepard had a fine combine. Just fine enough to push him to our 3rd.
Although, I will say having miller in the Dat role and then as a full time wr is interesting
DaneMcCloud
03-01-2016 12:13 PM
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If Eli Apple were there for us at 28, I'm leaning that direction.
I'd rather have Darron Lee but I don't think there's a chance, after running a 4.47, that he'll make it to 28. Apple seems like a fit, for sure.
It seemed like all of the CB's were super fast and many fit Dorsey's "profile" of long and lean but the majority just weren't very "smooth", especially in Back Peddle and Run drill. Lots of stiff hips.
Ragland would obviously upgrade the ILB corp but I'd be shocked if they took him because of March, Wilson and Alexander.
DaneMcCloud
03-01-2016 12:16 PM
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I'd be shocked if Ragland made it that far.
And I've decided I'd definitely be annoyed if he took Braxton Miller in the first. That said, those 3 cone times are going to get Dorsey pretty riled up. And my viable later alternative to him, Shepard, disappointed a bit.
I think that Michael Thomas is probably their #1 WR. He, Conley and Maclin would eventually make up a solid corp.
I like Sterling Shepard as well but I wouldn't take him before the 3rd round because I think the BPA's in rounds 1 and 2 will be better than Shepard.
staylor26
03-01-2016 12:21 PM
If one of Conklin, Decker, or Spriggs makes it to 28, I think OT will be the pick.
DJ's left nut
03-01-2016 05:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud
(Post 12107189)
I'd rather have Darron Lee but I don't think there's a chance, after running a 4.47, that he'll make it to 28. Apple seems like a fit, for sure.
It seemed like all of the CB's were super fast and many fit Dorsey's "profile" of long and lean but the majority just weren't very "smooth", especially in Back Peddle and Run drill. Lots of stiff hips.
Ragland would obviously upgrade the ILB corp but I'd be shocked if they took him because of March, Wilson and Alexander.
If they pass on Ragland because of 3 JAGs, they deserve the black hole they'll be left with in the middle of their defense when he goes.
staylor26
03-01-2016 05:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut
(Post 12107840)
If they pass on Ragland because of 3 JAGs, they deserve the black hole they'll be left with in the middle of their defense when he goes.
I agree, but it seems like Dorsey is extremely high on March. Ragland are March would be a fantastic duo for the future though.
DaneMcCloud
03-01-2016 05:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut
(Post 12107840)
If they pass on Ragland because of 3 JAGs, they deserve the black hole they'll be left with in the middle of their defense when he goes.
I'm not sure if Ragland is a 3 down player. If not, there will be better players available at #28.
DJ's left nut
03-01-2016 05:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud
(Post 12107848)
I'm not sure if Ragland is a 3 down player. If not, there will be better players available at #28.
If you keep a dominant NT in front of him, he should be able to stay largely unmolested in the defensive backfield. If there's less static around him, he has the athleticism to play zone effectively, IMO.
Now if he's asked to do a lot of man coverage, that's probably a mistake. But with Sutton's safety fetish, WTF would he be using Ragland heavily in coverage for?
Though if they put him through individual drills and he can't move his hips well enough, that's cause not to draft him. I agree - you don't take a 2-down ILB in the first round. That said, at that point it will be because of what he is unable to do - not because of March, Wilson and Alexander.
Like I said, if they pass on him because of the JAGs, that's a problem. If they pass on him because they don't think he can do what they need him to do, I'll live with that.
DaneMcCloud
03-01-2016 05:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut
(Post 12107860)
Like I said, if they pass on him because of the JAGs, that's a problem. If they pass on him because they don't think he can do what they need him to do, I'll live with that.
We won't likely ever know the answer to that question but after watching him run a 4.74 this past weekend, I think there are better alternatives with the #28 pick.
O.city
03-01-2016 06:04 PM
I'd take someone else there, take Jaylon late and hope he works out
DaneMcCloud
03-01-2016 06:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by O.city
(Post 12107895)
I'd take someone else there, take Jaylon late and hope he works out
I wouldn't spend anything other than a 7th round pick for Smith.
The Franchise
03-01-2016 06:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud
(Post 12107947)
I wouldn't spend anything other than a 7th round pick for Smith.
Since we're low on the list.....I'd spend a 4th.
DaneMcCloud
03-01-2016 07:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pestilence
(Post 12107955)
Since we're low on the list.....I'd spend a 4th.
His medicals were so bad that it'll likely be two years before he can even think about playing again and there's no guarantee he'll be the same player.
The Chiefs should be able to get a contributor in the 4th this year.
I feel really bad for the kid but I'd be shocked if he ever makes a full recovery.
Hopefully, everyone is wrong.
O.city
03-01-2016 07:37 PM
Have to wait and see how the April evaluation goes, but if 8ts that bad I wouldn't spend higher than a 4th, probably 5th
O.city
03-01-2016 07:44 PM
How would you guys feel about nkemdiche if he fell?
DaneMcCloud
03-01-2016 07:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by O.city
(Post 12108123)
How would you guys feel about nkemdiche if he fell?
I saw a mock today in which he fell past the Chiefs and landed one pick after in AZ.
I'd trust the pick if Dorsey made it because obviously, he did his homework on Peters, which turned out beautifully.
But man, this guy just smells.
DaneMcCloud
03-01-2016 07:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by O.city
(Post 12108123)
How would you guys feel about nkemdiche if he fell?
I saw a mock today in which he fell past the Chiefs and landed one pick after in AZ.
I'd trust the pick if Dorsey made it because obviously, he did his homework on Peters, which turned out beautifully.
But man, that guy just smells.
SAUTO
03-01-2016 07:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud
(Post 12108135)
I saw a mock today in which he fell past the Chiefs and landed one pick after in AZ.
I'd trust the pick if Dorsey made it because obviously, he did his homework on Peters, which turned out beautifully.
But man, that guy just smells.
Peters is a hot head/emotional.
This guy got himself all ****ed up and who knows what really happened but then he throws out the possible number one pick and teammate name out at the combine and say he was there too.
This team preaches family. You don't do that to family.
O.city
03-01-2016 07:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud
(Post 12108135)
I saw a mock today in which he fell past the Chiefs and landed one pick after in AZ.
I'd trust the pick if Dorsey made it because obviously, he did his homework on Peters, which turned out beautifully.
But man, that guy just smells.
I know.
But the dudes a monster. If there's a coaching staff and locker room I'd trust him in, it'd be here
DaneMcCloud
03-01-2016 07:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO
(Post 12108146)
Peters is a hot head/emotional.
This guy got himself all ****ed up and who knows what really happened but then he throws out the possible number one pick and teammate name out at the combine and say he was there too.
This team preaches family. You don't do that to family.
Agreed. That really hit a bad note for me.
I mean, come on, man! Don't throw your teammate under the bus.
DaneMcCloud
03-01-2016 07:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by O.city
(Post 12108148)
I know.
But the dudes a monster. If there's a coaching staff and locker room I'd trust him in, it'd be here
Right. If Dorsey clears him, then I'm good with it but I'd really be shocked if he made it past Dorsey's bullshit meter.
There's going to be an immediate contributor at 28 and I'm sure Dorsey will get the right guy.
staylor26
03-01-2016 08:07 PM
I know it's not going to be a popular opinion, but Cody Whitehair might be BPA at 28. I think he can come in day 1 and have an impact similar to Martin.
Fisher-Morse-Fulton-Whitehair-LDT/Reid/FA
Morse, Fulton, and Whitehair can each play every position in the interior. I think LDT moving to RT would be a great move if we can't sign a FA to fill that spot.
DaneMcCloud
03-01-2016 08:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by staylor26
(Post 12108217)
I know it's not going to be a popular opinion, but Cody Whitehair might be BPA at 28. I think he can come in day 1 and have an impact similar to Martin.
Fisher-Morse-Fulton-Whitehair-LDT/Reid/FA
Morse, Fulton, and Whitehair can each play every position in the interior. I think LDT moving to RT would be a great move if we can't sign a FA to fill that spot.
I would not be down with drafting a ****ing right guard at #28 when there's a CB, safety, DE/DT and WR that could make an immediate impact.
**** that.
staylor26
03-01-2016 08:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud
(Post 12108297)
I would not be down with drafting a ****ing right guard at #28 when there's a CB, safety, DE/DT and WR that could make an immediate impact.
**** that.
Lol like I said I knew it wouldn't be a popular opinion, but when you're drafting at 28 and still have an opportunity to get the best player at their position I don't think it should be dismissed so easily.
Would it be my first choice? No.
I'd prefer Lee, Conklin, Decker, WJ3, Apple, Coleman, Fuller or even Lynch, but most of those guys will be gone.
DaneMcCloud
03-01-2016 08:37 PM
Come on. This team doesn't need another right guard. They have LDT, Reid, Morse and Fulton.
Dorsey isn't Pioli reeruned.
staylor26
03-01-2016 08:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud
(Post 12108328)
Come on. This team doesn't need another right guard. They have LDT, Reid, Morse and Fulton.
Dorsey isn't Pioli reeruned.
In case you didn't notice in that scenario I had Morse at LG (best spot to keep him away from more potential concussions), Fulton at C, and LDT at RT (which would fill a need there).
I should've added that I'm saying this under the assumption that Dorsey uses FA to fill needs and open up our draft like he has in the past.
You want a day 1 impact for a team in win now mode? It's unlikely anybody outside of those guys I mentioned and Whitehair can give us what Whitehair would Day 1.
DaneMcCloud
03-01-2016 08:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by staylor26
(Post 12108359)
You want a day 1 impact for a team in win now mode? It's unlikely anybody outside of those guys I mentioned and Whitehair can give us what Whitehair would Day 1.
:facepalm:
staylor26
03-01-2016 09:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud
(Post 12108382)
:facepalm:
First off, I think it's an ever bigger longshot that Dorsey drafts a WR in the 1st. We can keep asking for it all we want, but it's not going to happen. He's going to feel comfortable with a Conley/Wilson competition at that spot. The most we can hope for is a day 2 pick at WR.
Second, it's pretty tough to count on an interior defensive lineman starting day 1 and having an immediate impact at any spot in the 1st, especially the end. I can see Dorsey going DL with a loaded class, but the impact will probably be closer to Ford/Fisher than Peters.
Third, do you really see Dorsey going CB in the first two years in a row after also spending 3rds on two the past two years in a row? I think it's more likely he adds a vet like Lane in free agency (assuming we lose Smith).
As for safety? Yea I'd love to add a guy like Joseph, but once again I just don't see Dorsey going in that direction with Berry and Parker in the fold. If we re-sign Branch that gets even more unlikely.
Why is is so ridiculous to think a RG can come in and have the biggest impact? Did it not happen two years ago with Martin? I'm not saying that means it will, but it definitely proves it can happen.
If we have our needs outside of the Oline resolved in free agency my biggest concern going into 2016 would be another slow start due to shit Oline play. This pick would prevent that from happening.
RunKC
03-01-2016 09:16 PM
RT is such a big need and I don't know how we'd fill it unless we can get Mitchell Schwartz.
I'm still thinking Germain Ifedi is a very strong candidate for 28. And he would start day 1 at RT and be a big upgrade over Reid.
DaneMcCloud
03-01-2016 09:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by staylor26
(Post 12108429)
First off, I think it's an ever bigger longshot that Dorsey drafts a WR in the 1st. We can keep asking for it all we want, but it's not going to happen. He's going to feel comfortable with a Conley/Wilson competition at that spot. The most we can hope for is a day 2 pick at WR.
Second, it's pretty tough to count on an interior defensive lineman starting day 1 and having an immediate impact at any spot in the 1st, especially the end. I can see Dorsey going DL with a loaded class, but the impact will probably be closer to Ford/Fisher than Peters.
Third, do you really see Dorsey going CB in the first two years in a row after also spending 3rds on two the past two years in a row? I think it's more likely he adds a vet like Lane in free agency (assuming we lose Smith).
As for safety? Yea I'd love to add a guy like Joseph, but once again I just don't see Dorsey going in that direction with Berry and Parker in the fold. If we re-sign Branch that gets even more unlikely.
Why is is so ridiculous to think a RG can come in and have the biggest impact? Did it not happen two years ago with Martin? I'm not saying that means it will, but it definitely proves it can happen.
If we have our needs outside of the Oline resolved in free agency my biggest concern going into 2016 would be another slow start due to shit Oline play. This pick would prevent that from happening.
There is no way Dorsey is taking a guard at #28.
Skill position only.
staylor26
03-01-2016 09:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud
(Post 12108510)
There is no way Dorsey is taking a guard at #28.
Skill position only.
I hope you're right, but it wouldn't be as terrible as you're making it seem if Dorsey sees the next Martin in Whitehair.
So I'm going to ask, if he does, are you ok with that?
BigChiefFan
03-01-2016 10:33 PM
We need to take D line, WR, QB, or CB with the first pick.
Saccopoo
03-01-2016 11:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RunKC
(Post 12108470)
RT is such a big need and I don't know how we'd fill it unless we can get Mitchell Schwartz.
I'm still thinking Germain Ifedi is a very strong candidate for 28. And he would start day 1 at RT and be a big upgrade over Reid.
The Chiefs didn't lose to the Patriots in the second round because there were three second string lineman starting that game.
Good ****ing God, Sac.
RunKC
03-02-2016 07:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud
(Post 12108788)
The Chiefs didn't lose to the Patriots in the second round because there were three second string lineman starting that game.
Good ****ing God, Sac.
It's a big problem though Dane. It was a big reason we struggled early as we gave up 19 sacks in the first 4 games.
I know you'll agree with me here that Andy ****ed up and kept playing musical chairs with the OL and that was a huge reason why we struggled, however we need to beat Denver so we can win the division and the best way to do that is to slow down their pass rush.
Will Fuller would be awesome in round 1, but is his talent as good as one of the DL, CB or OL? I think it is, but that's up to Dorsey.
Another question is this: is there a big difference between Will Fuller in round 1 and Malcolm Mitchell in round 2?
DJ's left nut
03-02-2016 09:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by O.city
(Post 12108123)
How would you guys feel about nkemdiche if he fell?
Obviously I didn't interview the guy so it's hard for me to really make a decision there.
That said, the guy threw his teammate under the bus and appears committed to this "I was just drunk" bullshit.
No way - I've known lots of drunk guys and none of them have gone paranoid and jumped out a goddamn window.
The guy is a liar who, instead of taking responsibility for his actions, decided to bring his teammates down with him.
I have no interest in bringing that into the lockerroom. I view him the same way I viewed Gregory - he's just flat off my board.
DJ's left nut
03-02-2016 09:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by staylor26
(Post 12108524)
I hope you're right, but it wouldn't be as terrible as you're making it seem if Dorsey sees the next Martin in Whitehair.
So I'm going to ask, if he does, are you ok with that?
No ceiling. At all. And when Dorsey's shown the ability to get starting caliber players on the interior line in the 5th and 6th rounds, why the hell would you use a 1st on one?
At worst, I'd be okay with them taking a tackle who has the ability to shift to LT if needed (due to Fisher's possible FA pay day). At that point you free Reid up to play G if needed, where he was better than he was at RT.
There's no way I'd take a guy that's going to play exclusively interior OL in the first round.
RunKC
03-02-2016 09:57 AM
And there it is. Will Fuller being projected in the early 20's now. Daniel Jeremiah released his new mock with him going in that range and him, Charles Davis and even Mayock discussed how scouts/team officials they talked to said WR is so weak this year in both the draft and FA and that will move guys up.
It's setting up for us to take a fatty. I fully expect Vernon Butler or Germain Ifedi at this point.
O.city
03-02-2016 10:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut
(Post 12109039)
Obviously I didn't interview the guy so it's hard for me to really make a decision there.
That said, the guy threw his teammate under the bus and appears committed to this "I was just drunk" bullshit.
No way - I've known lots of drunk guys and none of them have gone paranoid and jumped out a goddamn window.
The guy is a liar who, instead of taking responsibility for his actions, decided to bring his teammates down with him.
I have no interest in bringing that into the lockerroom. I view him the same way I viewed Gregory - he's just flat off my board.
I'd imagine most everyone knew who was in the room before he said that. I get it, but man, that's alot of talent at 28.
O.city
03-02-2016 10:16 AM
Mike freeman interviewed a scout who talks about this being a terrible offensive draft but a really strong defensive draft
DJ's left nut
03-02-2016 10:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by O.city
(Post 12109112)
I'd imagine most everyone knew who was in the room before he said that. I get it, but man, that's alot of talent at 28.
So do you believe him when he says he was just drinking?
Because if he's still going to the combine and flat out lying about that stuff, it's a character issue. It's the opposite of the contrition we saw from Peters and Houston. When guys make mistakes and own up them, it suggests they've recognized their error and will take positive steps to avoid repeating them.
If they decide to just die with the lie, then !@#$ 'em. I'm not interested in having a guy like that.
Besides, all that talent still led to him being a good but not great player in college. I see a guy with motor issues, serious technique flaws and character red flags all over him.
For every Randy Moss there are a dozen Marvin Austin's. And even Moss showed a fair amount of contrition leading up to the draft (as opposed to Austin who doubled down on stubborn).
The Franchise
03-02-2016 10:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud
(Post 12108094)
His medicals were so bad that it'll likely be two years before he can even think about playing again and there's no guarantee he'll be the same player.
The Chiefs should be able to get a contributor in the 4th this year.
I feel really bad for the kid but I'd be shocked if he ever makes a full recovery.
Hopefully, everyone is wrong.
A contributor? Outside of Wilson....who have we drafted in the 4th round that was a contributor?
Thomas? He was good for some punt returns but he's shit now.
I would easily draft Jaylon Smith at the end of the 4th round and let him sit for a year.
DaneMcCloud
03-02-2016 11:29 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RunKC
(Post 12109075)
It's setting up for us to take a fatty. I fully expect Vernon Butler or Germain Ifedi at this point.
Not a chance
staylor26
03-02-2016 11:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud
(Post 12109265)
Not a chance
Why is is so hard to believe that a guy that took a LT 1st overall, and a C at 49th, could go offensive line at 28?
DaneMcCloud
03-02-2016 11:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pestilence
(Post 12109178)
A contributor? Outside of Wilson....who have we drafted in the 4th round that was a contributor?
Thomas? He was good for some punt returns but he's shit now.
Thomas was better than just a punt returner. He helped the offense considerably in 2014 (Jamaal Charles TD run, for example against Seattle). But who knows what's going on with him today?
Dorsey's also drafted guys late like Fulton, LDT, Ramik Wilson and DJ Alexander, who have all been contributors. Alexander blocked a punt against the Raiders for a TD and has been a good special teamer.
Fulton and LDT speak for themselves.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pestilence
(Post 12109178)
I would easily draft Jaylon Smith at the end of the 4th round and let him sit for a year.
Of course you would: You're a Domer. :D
I wouldn't even consider him at this point. According to all of the reports I've read, his knee is a complete disaster. When doctors touched it, he winced in pain. He has a long, long road to recovery and the odds are stacked against him.
DaneMcCloud
03-02-2016 11:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by staylor26
(Post 12109279)
Why is is so hard to believe that a guy that took a LT 1st overall, and a C at 49th, could go offensive line at 28?
Because the BPA at #28 won't be an offensive lineman in this draft.
Safety, corner, WR, DE/DT.
DaneMcCloud
03-02-2016 11:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut
(Post 12109177)
So do you believe him when he says he was just drinking?
I've read it was synthetic marijuana.
I don't think there's a chance in hell that Dorsey even considers him.
The Franchise
03-02-2016 11:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud
(Post 12109281)
Thomas was better than just a punt returner. He helped the offense considerably in 2014 (Jamaal Charles TD run, for example against Seattle). But who knows what's going on with him today?
Dorsey's also drafted guys late like Fulton, LDT, Ramik Wilson and DJ Alexander, who have all been contributors. Alexander blocked a punt against the Raiders for a TD and has been a good special teamer.
Fulton and LDT speak for themselves.
Of course you would: You're a Domer. :D
I wouldn't even consider him at this point. According to all of the reports I've read, his knee is a complete disaster. When doctors touched it, he winced in pain. He has a long, long road to recovery and the odds are stacked against him.
It's been less than 8 weeks since he injured it.
DaneMcCloud
03-02-2016 11:48 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pestilence
(Post 12109295)
It's been less than 8 weeks since he injured it.
I know but the nerve damage thing is a killer. This isn't going to be a quick recovery like Jamaal Charles or many other recent knee injuries.
This guy is less than 10% likely to ever play football again and I just can't see spending a 4th round draft choice on a player like that, especially considering what happened to Lattimore.
But we'll have to agree to disagree because I know you'd take him in a heartbeat. :D
O.city
03-02-2016 12:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut
(Post 12109177)
So do you believe him when he says he was just drinking?
Because if he's still going to the combine and flat out lying about that stuff, it's a character issue. It's the opposite of the contrition we saw from Peters and Houston. When guys make mistakes and own up them, it suggests they've recognized their error and will take positive steps to avoid repeating them.
If they decide to just die with the lie, then !@#$ 'em. I'm not interested in having a guy like that.
Besides, all that talent still led to him being a good but not great player in college. I see a guy with motor issues, serious technique flaws and character red flags all over him.
For every Randy Moss there are a dozen Marvin Austin's. And even Moss showed a fair amount of contrition leading up to the draft (as opposed to Austin who doubled down on stubborn).
I always lean toward talent in these situation because I'm not privy to interviews.
However, if he's that big of a moron, no thanks.
The Franchise
03-02-2016 12:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud
(Post 12109303)
I know but the nerve damage thing is a killer. This isn't going to be a quick recovery like Jamaal Charles or many other recent knee injuries.
This guy is less than 10% likely to ever play football again and I just can't see spending a 4th round draft choice on a player like that, especially considering what happened to Lattimore.
But we'll have to agree to disagree because I know you'd take him in a heartbeat. :D
I'm 50/50 at taking him in the 4th right now. It all depends on who is there. But I'd damn sure spend a 5th on him. A 5th for a chance at a special player is worth it.
DaneMcCloud
03-02-2016 12:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pestilence
(Post 12109357)
I'm 50/50 at taking him in the 4th right now. It all depends on who is there. But I'd damn sure spend a 5th on him. A 5th for a chance at a special player is worth it.
The medical re-checks in April are extremely important. He's acknowledged that there is nerve damage and there's no timetable as to when (or if) that will ever heal.
The Franchise
03-02-2016 12:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud
(Post 12109362)
The medical re-checks in April are extremely important. He's acknowledged that there is nerve damage and there's no timetable as to when (or if) that will ever heal.
Oh yeah....most definitely.
RunKC
03-02-2016 12:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud
(Post 12109265)
Not a chance
So who do you have in mind? Vernon Butler is absolutely on of the best options on the board at 28.
DaneMcCloud
03-02-2016 12:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RunKC
(Post 12109379)
So who do you have in mind? Vernon Butler is absolutely on of the best options on the board at 28.
It all depends on how the board shakes out, as well as free agency.
The Star reported recently that the Chiefs are discussing an extension for Poe and if they're able to retain Howard, I wouldn't take a DT/DT.
Safety is a need, regardless of Berry's tag. CB is a need if Smith leaves.
There's just too many variables at this point to say "I'm taking this guy".
The Franchise
03-02-2016 12:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RunKC
(Post 12109379)
So who do you have in mind? Vernon Butler is absolutely on of the best options on the board at 28.
DL has crazy depth in this draft. I think I would rather see them go CB/S in the 1st.
RunKC
03-02-2016 01:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud
(Post 12109386)
It all depends on how the board shakes out, as well as free agency.
The Star reported recently that the Chiefs are discussing an extension for Poe and if they're able to retain Howard, I wouldn't take a DT/DT.
Safety is a need, regardless of Berry's tag. CB is a need if Smith leaves.
There's just too many variables at this point to say "I'm taking this guy".
Safety is a need if we have Berry, Parker and Branch?
I think that FA will dictate the pick and I think one of Smith/Howard will take a deal way over what they are worth, so we'll know where we stand soon enough.
If Vernon Butler is on the board at 28, even with Howard back, it would be tough passing on the guy. You're looking at Muhammed Wilkerson bc that's exactly who Vernon Butler is.
I know there is depth in this draft at DL, but none of those guys are the talent Butler is and that makes me not worry about losing Jaye Howard.
This guy beat the shit out of Cosy Whitehair, then proceeded to beat the shit out of everyone at the Senior Bowl.
RunKC
03-02-2016 01:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud
(Post 12109386)
It all depends on how the board shakes out, as well as free agency.
The Star reported recently that the Chiefs are discussing an extension for Poe and if they're able to retain Howard, I wouldn't take a DT/DT.
Safety is a need, regardless of Berry's tag. CB is a need if Smith leaves.
There's just too many variables at this point to say "I'm taking this guy".
Safety is a need if we have Berry, Parker and Branch?
I think that FA will dictate the pick and I think one of Smith/Howard will take a deal way over what they are worth, so we'll know where we stand soon enough.
If Vernon Butler is on the board at 28, even with Howard back, it would be tough passing on the guy. You're looking at Muhammed Wilkerson bc that's exactly who Vernon Butler is.
I know there is depth in this draft at DL, but none of those guys are the talent Butler is and that makes me not worry about losing Jaye Howard.
This guy is the real deal. He beat the shit out of Cody Whitehair, then proceeded to beat the shit out of everyone at the Senior Bowl.
The Franchise
03-02-2016 01:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RunKC
(Post 12109538)
Safety is a need if we have Berry, Parker and Branch?
I think that FA will dictate the pick and I think one of Smith/Howard will take a deal way over what they are worth, so we'll know where we stand soon enough.
If Vernon Butler is on the board at 28, even with Howard back, it would be tough passing on the guy. You're looking at Muhammed Wilkerson bc that's exactly who Vernon Butler is.
I know there is depth in this draft at DL, but none of those guys are the talent Butler is and that makes me not worry about losing Jaye Howard.
This guy is the real deal. He beat the shit out of Cody Whitehair, then proceeded to beat the shit out of everyone at the Senior Bowl.
Safety is currently a need because we have Berry and Parker. You can't just assume that Branch is going be here.
And I really wish you would stop talking in ****ing absolutes.
staylor26
03-02-2016 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Pestilence
(Post 12109550)
Safety is currently a need because we have Berry and Parker. You can't just assume that Branch is going be here.
And I really wish you would stop talking in ****ing absolutes.
But do you really see Dorsey taking one in the 1st?
If he's willing I would take Karl Joseph in a heartbeat. He's the best safety in this class.
The Franchise
03-02-2016 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26
(Post 12109633)
But do you really see Dorsey taking one in the 1st?
If he's willing I would take Karl Joseph in a heartbeat. He's the best safety in this class.
It's all going to depend on a bunch of shit. It's way to early to tell right now.
RunKC
03-02-2016 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26
(Post 12109633)
But do you really see Dorsey taking one in the 1st?
If he's willing I would take Karl Joseph in a heartbeat. He's the best safety in this class.
We'll know more in 3 weeks
staylor26
03-02-2016 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Pestilence
(Post 12109678)
It's all going to depend on a bunch of shit. It's way to early to tell right now.
I will say this though, given the fact that Sutton uses all the safeties it's certainly a huge need if Branch and/or Abdullah are gone.
Wish we still had Kurt Coleman :cuss:
Saccopoo
03-02-2016 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud
(Post 12109265)
Not a chance
I think that it's a pretty good chance. Von Bell is a possibility as well, but I think he realizes the problem at RT (and Ifedi checks a lot of Dorsey boxes) and is also looking at the situation with Howard and the contract situation with Poe. (The DT position looks a lot like the OLB spot when we drafted Ford.).
Austin Johnson or Vernon Butler would be my bets, with Ifedi second and Bell third. The monkey wrench would be Paxton Lynch if he fell and was still on the board when the Chiefs pick.
With Wilson and DAT (possibly) I don't see them going after a guy like Fuller with that first rounder.
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Originally Posted by Pestilence
(Post 12109178)
A contributor? Outside of Wilson....who have we drafted in the 4th round that was a contributor?
Thomas? He was good for some punt returns but he's shit now.
I would easily draft Jaylon Smith at the end of the 4th round and let him sit for a year.
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Originally Posted by staylor26
(Post 12109279)
Why is is so hard to believe that a guy that took a LT 1st overall, and a C at 49th, could go offensive line at 28?
The Franchise
03-02-2016 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26
(Post 12109978)
I will say this though, given the fact that Sutton uses all the safeties it's certainly a huge need if Branch and/or Abdullah are gone.
Wish we still had Kurt Coleman :cuss:
And just think of how much money we would be spending to keep him this offseason. It'd be yet another contract to add to the pile.
staylor26
03-02-2016 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Pestilence
(Post 12110029)
And just think of how much money we would be spending to keep him this offseason. It'd be yet another contract to add to the pile.
I think we would've signed him to at least a two year deal if we did.
smith11
03-03-2016 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Pestilence
(Post 12109357)
I'm 50/50 at taking him in the 4th right now. It all depends on who is there. But I'd damn sure spend a 5th on him. A 5th for a chance at a special player is worth it.
should chiefs have spent a 5th last year on lael collins the lsu olineman?
The Franchise
03-03-2016 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by smith11
(Post 12110760)
should chiefs have spent a 5th last year on lael collins the lsu olineman?
Yeah.
Saccopoo
03-03-2016 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by smith11
(Post 12110760)
should chiefs have spent a 5th last year on lael collins the lsu olineman?
Let's not do the revisionist history thing.
Should have, but didn't.
They still need a legitmate right tackle.
I would expect North Dakota State's Joe Haeg or Stanford's Kyle Murphy to get a look in about the third round. Both have experience at both tackle positions out of pro style sets.