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Quesadilla Joe 05-02-2016 10:14 AM

Chiefs exercised 5th-year option on Eric Fisher
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs exercised 5th-year option on former 2013 No. 1 overall pick, OT Eric Fisher, per source.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/727168777205338116">May 2, 2016</a></blockquote>
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BossChief 05-02-2016 10:18 AM

Of course they did.

Sandy Vagina 05-02-2016 10:19 AM

Nice chunk of change there. Hope he can stay healthy, and take his improvement up to the next level.

notorious 05-02-2016 10:37 AM

11.9 million.


That's a lot of cheddar.

Saul Good 05-02-2016 10:39 AM

They will extend and restructure.

T-post Tom 05-02-2016 10:40 AM

If he doesn't get hurt, they can still cut him with no cap implications after this year. Or extend to a more cap friendly long-term deal. This year he has a cap hit of $7M, $3.6M of that is prorated signing bonus.

The Franchise 05-02-2016 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 12211930)
They will extend and restructure.

This.

Viper400 05-02-2016 10:45 AM

Superbowl

Couch-Potato 05-02-2016 11:47 AM

In other news, Titans declined to pick up their option on RG Chance Warmack.

Do we have any interest?

DaneMcCloud 05-02-2016 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 12212039)
In other news, Titans declined to pick up their option on RG Chance Warmack.

Do we have any interest?

They declined because he sucks

staylor26 05-02-2016 12:03 PM

That 2013 draft is the perfect example that the good old "safe" OL pick is bullshit.

Warmack, Cooper, and Joeckel were all considered good safe picks, while Fisher was a guy with a lot of upside, but would need time to develop.

DaneMcCloud 05-02-2016 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12212066)
That 2013 draft is the perfect example that the good old "safe" OL pick is bullshit.

Warmack, Cooper, and Joeckel were all considered good safe picks, while Fisher was a guy with a lot of upside, but would need time to develop.

The Chiefs drafted three productive players in the 2013 draft, without a 2nd round pick.

Anyone that bitches about Chiefs 2013 draft is a moron.

staylor26 05-02-2016 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12212070)
The Chiefs drafted three productive players in the 2013 draft, without a 2nd round pick.

Anyone that bitches about Chiefs 2013 draft is a moron.

Agreed.

DaneMcCloud 05-02-2016 12:19 PM

Cordelle Patterson's 5th year option was declined

LMAO

Bowser 05-02-2016 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12212079)
Cordelle Patterson's 5th year option was declined

LMAO

Ouch. Great returner, but not much else.

TLO 05-02-2016 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 12211930)
They will extend and restructure.

Yes.

Direckshun 05-02-2016 12:30 PM

Can someone explain to me how he gets a fifth year option before his fourth year?

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staylor26 05-02-2016 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 12212102)
Can someone explain to me how he gets a fifth year option before his fourth year?

Rep for helpful answers.

That's when the deadline is.

pugsnotdrugs19 05-02-2016 12:35 PM

Would bet good money that as long as he stays healthy this will end up being a long term extension before it ever goes on the books.

Direckshun 05-02-2016 12:35 PM

Gotcha. So this means that he is extended for now through the end of 2017?

pugsnotdrugs19 05-02-2016 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 12212102)
Can someone explain to me how he gets a fifth year option before his fourth year?

Rep for helpful answers.

Like said above, it's just the deadline. It's just another way to help teams, really.

By slapping the option on, they essentially take said player away from the FA pool next year, but they also have until next March to decide if they were wrong or not. The player benefits too because if he gets hurt between now and then in a serious form, they still get the one year deal.

Mr. Laz 05-02-2016 12:49 PM

waiting for the restructure to cut that number in half

ThaVirus 05-02-2016 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 12211930)
They will extend and restructure.

No doubt about it.


Lock him up until his early 30's and then decide where to go from there.

rtmike 05-02-2016 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12212146)
No doubt about it.


Lock him up until his early 30's and then decide where to go from there.

Trade bait for a SanFran QB? :hmmm:

BryanBusby 05-02-2016 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12212064)
They declined because he sucks

Well that can't be. According to CP, first round Guard is a slam dunk.

Eleazar 05-02-2016 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 12212112)
Would bet good money that as long as he stays healthy this will end up being a long term extension before it ever goes on the books.

They should sign him long term sooner rather than later, because if his form the second half of 2015 is any indication, the price tag is just going to go up.

Ming the Merciless 05-02-2016 01:38 PM

Hmm...I mean that makes this season so huge for Fisher, right? If we dont restructure him to a longer deal , and he ends up having a horrible season or something, would we realistically cut him?

Is the deadline to restructure a deal with him prior to the 1st game of the regular season?

BryanBusby 05-02-2016 01:38 PM

I don't think I could blame the Chiefs if they waited it out before deciding to give a long term deal or not.

DaneMcCloud 05-02-2016 01:50 PM

Dorsey has already indicated that he's working on an extension with Fisher so I think it's highly unlikely that it doesn't happen.

ThaVirus 05-02-2016 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 12212199)
I don't think I could blame the Chiefs if they waited it out before deciding to give a long term deal or not.

We watched them do that with Houston and he legitimately raped us (blah blah Houston bet on himself, **** you). I'd rather them get out ahead of this one.

We knew coming out that he had great upside but would likely need time to develop. Well, he's gone from complete ass, to just bad, to hardly noticeable, to pretty ****ing good. Given the fact that he's still very young and injury concerns appear to be a thing of the past, get him signed long-term ASAP before he prices himself out of our pocketbooks.

Chances are he'll sign to something that we look at initially as a bit high, but in 2-3 years will look like bargain with contract inflation.

Quesadilla Joe 05-02-2016 02:21 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Jaguars?src=hash">#Jaguars</a> are declining the fifth-year option on OT Luke Joeckel, who will compete at left tackle, could kick inside this year.</p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/727230500578967554">May 2, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Eleazar 05-02-2016 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 12212264)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Jaguars?src=hash">#Jaguars</a> are declining the fifth-year option on OT Luke Joeckel, who will compete at left tackle, could kick inside this year.</p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/727230500578967554">May 2, 2016</a></blockquote>
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zomg dorsie wastid r pick

Dante84 05-02-2016 02:28 PM

F U DOSREYYY!!!

RealSNR 05-02-2016 03:23 PM

Rausch wept

O.city 05-02-2016 03:49 PM

Still should have taken Sheldon Richardson

staylor26 05-02-2016 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12212396)
Still should have taken Sheldon Richardson

I thought so at the time, but **** that now. Still can't trust him.

Now we have Howard, Bailey, and Jones and no hole at LT.

It turned out just fine.

BryanBusby 05-02-2016 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12212396)
Still should have taken Sheldon Richardson

I said this for the longest time. After getting popped for doimg over 100 mph in a car that smelled like weed and had a kid in the passenger seat.....not so much.

BryanBusby 05-02-2016 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12212246)
We watched them do that with Houston and he legitimately raped us (blah blah Houston bet on himself, **** you). I'd rather them get out ahead of this one.

We knew coming out that he had great upside but would likely need time to develop. Well, he's gone from complete ass, to just bad, to hardly noticeable, to pretty ****ing good. Given the fact that he's still very young and injury concerns appear to be a thing of the past, get him signed long-term ASAP before he prices himself out of our pocketbooks.

Chances are he'll sign to something that we look at initially as a bit high, but in 2-3 years will look like bargain with contract inflation.

All deals are like that with the rapidly growing cap. The smart move would be lock down before the value peaks, but it just wouldn't surprise me if they make him "earn it"

Dave Lane 05-02-2016 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 12212183)
Well that can't be. According to CP, first round Guard is a slam dunk.

Well really anything but a QB, here at good ole CP.

Deberg_1990 05-02-2016 05:28 PM

Joeckel, Joeckel, Joeckel!!!!

DaneMcCloud 05-02-2016 05:30 PM

I couldn't disagree more. Let's take a deeper look at the situation:

Instead of taking Eric Fisher with the #1 overall pick in 2013, they take Sheldon Richardson. The Chiefs don't have a pick until the 3rd round of the 2013 draft in which they select Travis Kelce, then Knile Davis.

Branden Albert was Franchised in 2013 and started 12 games at left tackle. He left in 2014 for a $47 million dollar deal with Miami, and he's missed 11 out of 32 games. Had Richardson stayed in KC, Donald Stephenson would have filled in for him in 2014 and 2015 and the Chiefs would have been on a books for a huge contract for an often injured player.

Let's say that the Chiefs balked at Albert's price and decided to draft a left tackle in the 2014 draft. The Chiefs chose at #23 overall. This is the list of the remaining tackles in the 2014 draft at #23:

Cyrus Kouandjio
Jack Mewhort
Justin Britt
Morgan Moses
Billy Turner
Michael Schofield
Cameron Fleming
Kevin Pamphile
Tavon Rooks
Mitchell Van Dyk
Ulrick John
Seantrel Henderson
Charles Leno, Jr.

Do any of those guys appear to be quality starting NFL left tackles? That's right, the answer is a resounding "NO". The "best" offensive lineman in that list is probably Britt but after sucking at right tackle, the Seahawks moved him inside to left guard in which he finished as the #49 overall according to PFF.

In no universe should the Chiefs have taken anyone but Fisher #1 in the 2013 NFL Draft.

And FWIW, the Dolphins haven't had a winning record since signing Albert to that monster deal and they just took another left tackle at #13 overall in the 2016 draft after he slid from the Top 5 due to the weed video.

O.city 05-02-2016 05:41 PM

Terron armstead could habe been had in 2013, but probably miss out on kelce unless he would have continued to fall due to off field issues.

Had it worked out,

Richardson
Armstead
Kelce

Is better than
Fisher
Kelce
Davis


But fisher was the way to go as we've seen now, I was mainly ****ing with snr thru an inside joke.

Eleazar 05-02-2016 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12212548)
In no universe should the Chiefs have taken anyone but Fisher #1 in the 2013 NFL Draft.

And FWIW, the Dolphins haven't had a winning record since signing Albert to that monster deal and they just took another left tackle at #13 overall in the 2016 draft after he slid from the Top 5 due to the weed video.

Letting Albert walk was the pinnacle of selling high.

BryanBusby 05-02-2016 06:17 PM

I think Sheldon Richardson would have gone a long way in the Chiefs playoff run that season. They probably don't fold in Indy if they could of broke down Luck's pocket.

Same in New England, so I can't fault them for wanting better rush from the DL.

Easy 6 05-02-2016 06:22 PM

Damn glad to hear it, the guy is a classic late bloomer

He has flashed dominance against guys like Von Dope and he started to pair those flashes with consistency last year... the guy is just now getting started

TigeRRUppeRRcut 05-02-2016 06:24 PM

Not paying Fisher the 11 million and instead gambling on free agency/draft during this time frame that our team is competing for a championship would be the equivalent of not wearing a condom to an orgy.

Stretches your budget just a tiny bit but the risk is definitely not worth the marginal increase in benefit.

Mother****erJones 05-02-2016 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12212548)
I couldn't disagree more. Let's take a deeper look at the situation:

Instead of taking Eric Fisher with the #1 overall pick in 2013, they take Sheldon Richardson. The Chiefs don't have a pick until the 3rd round of the 2013 draft in which they select Travis Kelce, then Knile Davis.

Branden Albert was Franchised in 2013 and started 12 games at left tackle. He left in 2014 for a $47 million dollar deal with Miami, and he's missed 11 out of 32 games. Had Richardson stayed in KC, Donald Stephenson would have filled in for him in 2014 and 2015 and the Chiefs would have been on a books for a huge contract for an often injured player.

Let's say that the Chiefs balked at Albert's price and decided to draft a left tackle in the 2014 draft. The Chiefs chose at #23 overall. This is the list of the remaining tackles in the 2014 draft at #23:

Cyrus Kouandjio
Jack Mewhort
Justin Britt
Morgan Moses
Billy Turner
Michael Schofield
Cameron Fleming
Kevin Pamphile
Tavon Rooks
Mitchell Van Dyk
Ulrick John
Seantrel Henderson
Charles Leno, Jr.

Do any of those guys appear to be quality starting NFL left tackles? That's right, the answer is a resounding "NO". The "best" offensive lineman in that list is probably Britt but after sucking at right tackle, the Seahawks moved him inside to left guard in which he finished as the #49 overall according to PFF.

In no universe should the Chiefs have taken anyone but Fisher #1 in the 2013 NFL Draft.

And FWIW, the Dolphins haven't had a winning record since signing Albert to that monster deal and they just took another left tackle at #13 overall in the 2016 draft after he slid from the Top 5 due to the weed video.

Looking back at that draft, Dorsey did just fine. We're just so used to guys going number one and producing when in fact they don't always come in and produce right away. It's taken time and I get everyone's impatience because I was as well. First overall pick of my lifetime and we get an OT. Fisher is coming around. Hope he keeps developing and has a strong season. He finally showed grit and toughness plus a mean streak last season.

ct 05-03-2016 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12212079)
Cordelle Patterson's 5th year option was declined

LMAO

but wait! it's all about the 5th year option!! we gotta gotta gotta have it!!!

this guy is the perfect example of wasting value to trade up for the 5th yr option

you listening niner fans?

ct 05-03-2016 01:33 PM

only 17 of the 2013 1st round picks had that 5th yr option picked up

BlackHelicopters 05-03-2016 01:36 PM

Print 'em.

RunKC 05-03-2016 04:53 PM

Cordy Glenn just got a 5 year $65 million deal. Wow that kinda pushes Fisher's demands up a bit

Pasta Little Brioni 05-03-2016 05:05 PM

Fisher > Okung

Red Dawg 05-03-2016 05:14 PM

Why is this even a debate? Fisher is our LT and he is getting better for certain. This season will determine his worth. Personally I think he will be strong.

NJChiefsFan 05-03-2016 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 12214403)
Why is this even a debate?

Because it's the offeseason and it's a rational question to pose 3 years out.

Mother****erJones 05-03-2016 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 12214668)
Because it's the offeseason and it's a rational question to pose 3 years out.

Not to mention it's a football discussion board :D

Squalor2 05-03-2016 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 12211888)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs exercised 5th-year option on former 2013 No. 1 overall pick, OT Eric Fisher, per source.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/727168777205338116">May 2, 2016</a></blockquote>
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you aren't a chiefs fan.

jspchief 05-04-2016 05:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ct (Post 12213999)
but wait! it's all about the 5th year option!! we gotta gotta gotta have it!!!

this guy is the perfect example of wasting value to trade up for the 5th yr option

you listening niner fans?

That ignores the fact that if the player is good, the 5th year option matters. It's easy to look at players that don't pan out and dismiss the value of the 5th year.

jspchief 05-04-2016 05:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12212064)
They declined because he sucks

He may suck, but a lot of teams are going to pause at the notion of paying a guard $11m regardless of how good they are. It's one of the flaws of designating every oline position as the same when determining these numbers.

Conversely we've seen teams in the past try to take advantage of this flaw when determining franchise designation for LBers.


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