Big 12 to interview 17 schools about expansion
 

The 17 schools that will make their presentations to the Big 12 include Cincinnati, Houston, BYU, South Florida, UCF, UConn, Memphis, Colorado State, Boise State, Tulane, Temple, East Carolina, SMU, New Mexico and Northern Illinois, sources said.

http://www.espn.com/college-football...ools-expansion


Of the schools not listed by ESPN, Dallas sports writer speculates
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BRING ON THE CITY SCHOOLS

From a football and logistics perspective Id prefer Houston and BYU.

Tulane? East Carolina? Northern Illinois?

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LMAO I wonder what they are going to build their case around on why the Big 12 should choose them.

Boise State has the blue field

Big 12 rapidly losing prestige.

Houston; lock up Texas before the SEC tries to get more of a footold in the state
BYU; large population of the country will root based on religous affiliations
Memphis; make a move into SEC country
UCF; make another move into SEC and ACC country

My mind tells me BYU (has a huge base, is the last "respectable add" available) and Cinci (geographical partner for WVU).

My heart would love Colorado State. It'd make me 20 minutes away from seeing KU athletics again. :)

I noticed they didn't make an offer to North Dakota State. I suppose they don't want a n00b school to clean house in football year after year.

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See - There's the myth about the University of Houston - Deal is A & M and UT have a mass alumni presence in Houston / SE TX already, so adding UH to the BIG 12 or SEC won't really be a plus because both conferences already have the Houston market share. Also, UT and A&M do NOT want UH anywhere near them for recruiting wars, because UH has proven in the past, when the playing field is level, they not only can compete with them, they can beat them on a regular basis. When UH was allowed to join the SWC, they had a rule that UH could not compete for the championship for several years. After the ban was lifted, they won it 3 out of the first 5 years and fared well against UT and A&M throughout the existence of the SWC. UT is making the possible recruitment of UH to the BIG 12 a political deal, where they are trying to tie it to them being allowed to open a campus in Houston...

For the record, as a UH alumni member, I'd like nothing more then to get a shot at either one of those schools on an annual basis again.

UH should be a lock

I think they do need to get back to 12 and a conference championship game. They will continue to find themselves at a disadvantage during the conference championship week when other power conferences get to showcase their teams to vie for the playoff.

Only Oklahoma and Texas have the national clout and respect to withstand being bumped out in favor of a championship week darling from another power conference. Texas sucks at the moment so that leaves only Oklahoma. A big 12 championship will change that for the TCUs, Baylors, OKST, etc.

The thing that sucks is its slim pickings for expanding.

East Carolina? Should be Coastal Carolina considering they've actually ben turning out quality players lately.

That list is at least 10 schools too long

USF for the win!

They need good programs

Where the hell is Middle Tennessee on that list??

were they taking applications at a kiosk in the mall?

You mean like this guy?

http://r1.pitch.com/files/base/scomm...mb_200x267.jpg

On the 12th page....4th appendix...paragraph 9....sub-section 3.5.1.A...

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If their card gets pulled, they win a spot in the Big 12, but first they have to sit for a three-hour sales pitch on a timeshare in Florida.

Cincinnati definitely needs to be a priority for the Big 12. They're the most balanced between football and basketball, and they hold a geographical connection to West Virginia, making the conference not just about a bunch of southern midwest schools and a random place out east.

After that, I have no clue. Tulane, Temple, East Carolina, and Northern Illinois can go **** themselves. I guess... Colorado State? UConn?

Ditto. It cracks me up that CSU thinks a new field will get them into a power conference, but I hope it works.

[As a Jayhawk BBall fan], UConn please.

Keitzman says the Big 12 is raking in the dough.

Why expand?


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I'm not sure how UCF fits in geographically.

People protesting to not get BYU in Big 12 because of social/religious issues.


So it sounds like something is happening with BYU


I imagine they want to get back to 12, i just hope they go big and not settle for some crap school.

If you can't go big then don't go at all.

Why do you give a shit about WVU, let along a "geographical partner"? What does that even mean? Are they going to hold hands and bunk together on road trips to KC? It's not close anyway at 310 miles away

As a KU guy, UCONN is interesting from a basketball standpoint. The rest combined look like a money grabbing meaningless November CBB invitational in St. Lucia or something.

I'd like to add an Arizona or ASU, or both. But that won't happen. Keep it at 10.

Northern Illinois ROFL

Anyone here ever been to (let alone heard of) DeKalb, Illinois? What a joke.

Big 12 already has 4 teams in Texas, so I don't see the advantage of adding a 5th.

They should add Temple and UConn to expand their Eastern presence, plus both add more to the basketball side of the equation.

My ex was from Dekalb. It makes Lubbock look like the dream college town.

I was relaying the hot takes I read from insiders and the promises from Bowlsby to address this issue from WVU.

If it were my decision I would have never picked WVU in the first place.

no more Texas schools!!


We need market size(money) and high profile


The higher the conference profile the most recruits and tv money we get.

BYU,Florida State,Clemson

I suppose Colorado state would bring the Denver market back to the Big 12 which is big.

BYU would need to be complete join, not just football.

Florida State would be a huge get, opening up the Florida market for t.v. and recruits.

could they try to add FSU and UCF to really make a Florida grab?

Yes. And yes.

Ranking in terms what schools I would want if I was Big 12 and let me preface with I do not care about academics in an ATHLETIC conference
1. BYU
2. UCONN
3. Memphis
4. Cincinnati
5. UCF
6. New Mexico
7. Colorado State
8. Boise State
9. Temple
10. USF
11. Tulane
12. Northern Illinois
13. E Carolina
14. Houston
15. SMU

Colorado State makes the most sense of all the candidates. Denver television market. Solid academics bordering on AAU admission. A peer with other land grant institutions (i.e. KSU, OSU). 35-40K enrollment.

Plus a brand new $220 million on-campus stadium doesn't hurt either. CSU would easily surpass CU in the state of Colorado with Big 12 membership behind it.

https://stadium.colostate.edu/wp-con...efault.jpg?%3E

add UMKC and Maple Woods.

New Mexico and Colorado St would make sense regionally

http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/coll...-florida-state

Breaking down possible Big 12 expansion candidates: Pros/cons for BYU, Boise State, UConn, Cincinnati and others

Agreed. The problem for New Mexico is that it doesn't sit near any significant population center.

yea, which is why i want the Big 12 to try and go big.

Hit the Florida market hard by adding FSU and UCF.

With the grant of rights signed by the ACC - there is no way FSU is leaving.

Realistically and based on markets and overall university strength - I would go with BYU, CSU, UCF and Cinci.

Oklahoma and Texas can't leave, without hassle, until GOR has elapsed. So, they will bring in more teams to make as much money as they can until they can leave the Big12 and leave it to die.

Where would they go or want to go? Pac 12? I guess they did kind of flirt with the Pac 12 back during the time of the shake up.

you add UCF and USF you get millions of eyeballs watching Big 12 football in the Tampa Bay and Orlando areas. And those Florida recruits will see all the Big 12 teams in person. USF plays in the Bucaneers stadium. UCF has a big stadium too.

Yeah but what about the academics at each of these institutions? It's all about the academics these days.

Force the TV networks to pony up even more.

For the record, I'd take four of the schools: Cincinnati and UConn, BYU and Colorado State.

Oklahoma would probably go to the SEC and Texas would be a toss up for B1G/PAC12

That doesn't seem to matter anymore. You just need over a hundred students with a pulse and be able to field a football team.

Memo tells Big 12 officials to say decision to decline expansion was unanimous

Big 12 :shake:



http://www.espn.com/college-football...earlier-divide

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this is really unfortunate. the fact no one wanted notre dame in the big 12. even go for another ohio valley school. something in the region of corn fields and gun shots. :D

JFC LMAO

As a fan, I want them to expand. But as a school, you will likely earn LESS with any team you can bring to the conference. Bringing in even BYU and Cincy would dilute the per team revenue, even if marginally.

Now, if you could get say Arizona State and Arizona then that probably isn't the case. I really think those two schools are players in the next realignment for the Big 12 to possibly poach. Big 12 schools make waaay more than Pac 12 schools. Central time zone is a benefit to TV revenue.

Of course when everyone goes to ROKU or Chromecast etc and games are being cast on social media then teams like Rutgers in the Big 10 and some Florida team in the ACC don't really add much value. I would think at that point realignment becomes pretty meaningless because it would be easier for a given school to profit off of their own brand. While profiting off of their own brand is good for the school, it is damaging to the ecology of big boy televised college sports in general. Going the way of Big 12 Tier 3 revenue for all schools and having your own online channel is making it more of a niche thing.

AZ would never ever ever ever ever leave the west coast for any reason period, they are attached at the hip to California.

I think it's unlikely, but possible. Arizona probably has closer ties to Texas and Oklahoma culturally as well.

Arizona is mini CA, and Phoenix is an LA wannabe, with prob 1/4 their population now having come from LA. They have no connection at all to Texas or Oklahoma, zero.


And the idea they'd be ok playing games in Ames or Mancrappin is pretty hilarious. They were pissed when Colorado and Utah came in.

Not surprised, rumors have been around Norman for awhile that Boren changed his mind and was going to nix the expansion stuff....

Everyone down here knows Boren is running the show in the Big 12... Its common knowledge.

I'm sure the folks in Oklahoma believe that, yes

Do those guys even know what they're talking about? Spent millions on a presentation. BS!
But I agree that it really screws the conference when it comes to the football playoffs.

Who is Boren?

Just have to sit tight at 10 and start recruiting better football players (pipe dream). Especially on defense. And better bball players too. (pipe dream)

Oh well, I'm mentally prepared to be part of the Mountain MidWest Conference soon enough.

Because there's a decent chance that an undefeated Baylor or WVU squad STILL doesn't make it into the playoffs. It's not a given that they wouldn't, but it's possible.

That's not the case for any of the other Power 5 conferences.

If you can go undefeated in a power conference and not make the playoffs, that puts you closer to the MAC than the SEC. And this little clown show of theirs - the one that cost a whole bunch of schools hundreds of thousands of dollars each for absolutely nothing - is going to do nothing to engender goodwill for the rudderless ship that is the Big 12.

It's just astonishingly poorly run.

Lulz

They don't care about making a playoff or anything. It's about money. Follow the money.

And boren is a pos

Has to be this.... No way the Big 12 should ever get a spot in the playoffs without a conference championship game anyway...

If Baylor or WVU played in the Big Ten or SEC (or any Big 12 champ of the last 3 years) they would lose at least 4 times. Football has really deteriorated recently in the Big 12, very sad.

And it will continue with the lack of competition and respect when it comes to the playoffs...

Lulz at you still white knighting that shit conference

That's way better than moving to the SEC and getting your ass kicked.