Andy Reid on Charles and Houston
 

On Rich Eisen Show


Charles day-to-day can only work with training staff but looks really good doing what he's doing.

Positive vibes about Charles being ready to go soon imo


"Houston is going to take much longer than Charles because of when injury occurred."

"we hope to get him back this season" :eek:


I was shocked about how doubtful he sounded about Houston.

"We hope to get him back this season"


Trade him.

At this point I think they hope he may be back towards the end of the season or playoffs. Its starting to feel like org isnt expecting him to be ready this year at all

What did I say! Got my butt beat up for not going along with the week five crap around here.

Houston may not play at all. If he does December maybe the soonest and Dee Ford had better be a real asset or our pass rush is in deep trouble.

Falls right in line with the tone of Dorseys comments on Houston

**** Goodell for taking away our 3rd rounder. Could have used that to take Kyler Fackrell or somebody like that.

Exactly. Nothing new here. I'd be shocked if he misses the entire season.

God. For some reason I expected Charles to be 100% for season opener and Houston to be good pretty early in the season. Like week 4 or something. Shows what I know (nothing).

Ahead of schedule on an injury that lasts 9 months at most nowadays and now worse news? Some setback had to have occurred.

Dorsey said yesterday that he'll have a better read on where Houston is in a few weeks when they look at him. We'll see where he's at at that point.

Time for Von to have an acl tear.

Yup. Exactly what I was thinking. I had thought maybe Dorsey was just erring on the side of caution, but they know more than we do and it sounds like they know he isnt going to be ready this year.

I voted out for season.

He might never return to form

big paycheck..because Chiefs.

I'm of two minds on it...

1) either they're toying with everyone and they expect him back by, say, midseason at the very worst

or

2) their tone is meant exactly as it sounds, which isnt very positive at all... at this point I'm just hoping he is back for the playoff run

If we see them picking up an OLB or two during preseason, I think that'd tell us that the news on Houston isn't good. If we pretty much stay as is, then I'd guess they're thinking Houston might be ready mid-year-ish? Gotta admit, it doesn't sound good.

ALL LIES

http://www.espn.com/blog/kansas-city...with-his-rehab

I don't get wtf could be wrong here? It's an ACL tear. How on Earth could read for an ACL repair be more than 9 months nowadays?

It was more than that I think.

Everything about this entire situation has been ****ed. I have no clue what to think anymore.

Dorsey literally said "We've been assured by our doctors that he will play this season". What the **** happened since then? Houston hasn't posted on his Twitter or Instagram in a VERY long time.

Here's the thing though, we do know that he's been in St. Joe "doing work" with Hali and Charles. If there were a setback why would he be doing that?

They may as well plan the season as if he will not play.

Of course. Even if he returns he won't be up to speed. We're going to get zero contributions from Houston. And after almost 2 years of no football, what will we get when he finally does return?

Didn't sound that negative. I'm betting he's back mud to end october.

He's doing rehab with Tamba and Jamaal, who also had knee surgeries recently, so I wouldn't put too much stock into that.

I don't think the Chiefs are lying about Houston's injury. It would be too big of a PR hit if they did.

The most logical answer IMO is that he was ahead of schedule a few months ago and they thought they could get him back early in the year, but rehab for stage 2 of recovery hasn't gone as well as normal. Not that that's bad, but I think they backed off of their first statement bc he's most likely going to take 9 months and will return in November.

Did you listen?

He didn't have surgery until February. 9 months puts him somewhere in November.

Von Miller had double-digit sacks and Chris Harris Jr had a great year after they returned from acl surgery.

Dr. James Andrews did both of their ACL repairs as well as Houston's too. Why can't Houston bounce back like those players?

Pure speculation that isn't consistent with recent history.

He's missing 8 games. That will happen.

Houston will be back in December...I never thought they were going to rush him. It takes 9 months...

Sign Greg Hardy....as an insurance policy. Perhaps he will take an incentive laden 1 year deal to set up for a big contract next season....

Absolutely.

In the big vote thread I voted he'd be back for the playoffs, and noted that would be a big maybe.

There won't be a single edge rusher, other than maybe Greg Hardy, that will be better than what's on their roster.

As I've said before, if they thought that Houston was going to miss a significant portion of the season, why didn't they sign Dwight Freeney?

If we wait the full 9 months, he'll return against the Bucs at home in week 11. Hopefully he stays ahead of schedule and starts getting a few snaps in week 9 at home vs the Jags.

Because they re-signed Tamba Hali instead.

Because it was a tear and not a full blown replacement.. I'm a little more optimistic he could be back by week 8.... I'm not a Dr but I did stay at a Holliday Express once...

I'm guessing its like RunKC alluded to, back when they could've made that move it looked like Houston was well on track in his recovery

Yeah but Freeney signed for $2 million in Atlanta recently.

Josh Mauga or Dwight Freeney?

It seems things were looking good back then so everyone jumped on the best case scenario return (6 months), but now that more time has passed its looking more like the average return (9 months) or later. Hes probably back in time for the last few games + playoffs.

Let's grab Rae Carruth to play alongside Tyreke Hill while we're at it.

**** me, some of you guys are quick to sell your souls...

Yeah no thanks to Hardy

If Ford cant produce reasonably, Sutton will just have to work harder to manufacture sacks and pressures from the line and secondary

Oh boy, Sutton will just as likely rush 4, drop everyone else into coverage and just cross his fingers.

Lies is correct

http://www.chiefsdigest.com/chiefs-j...extended-knee/

Houston sustained the PCL injury Burkholder mentioned during the playoff game against the Indianapolis Colts, but the current injury isn’t considered as serious

"He’s in the middle of the rehab process, he’s doing well and he’ll be on a day-to-day basis as we go forward here."

God help us.

Shit, rushing 4 might be too aggressive for him based on his Patriots performance.

I do think it's important that before we all start sucking each other's dicks that we remember that Bob Sutton was running the show when we gave the Patriots 8 yard cushions and spent most of the game sending 2 and dropping 9.

Our DC could very easily still be a dumb **** and if Houston's genuinely incapable of contributing this year, our ceiling is significantly diminished.

Sutton isn't capable of this

guess i'm not seeing the huge drama here

they were extremely optimistic at first, and now that reality sets in that he's not super human 6 month recovery from ACL surgery, a typical 9 month time frame puts him around early november, or say 8-10 weeks missed into the season.

put him on PUP, get him healthy, lets go with the guys who won 11 straight w/out him and be ready for playoff push in December.

Eh, it may not be his strength, but he was with the Jets for the "muddle huddle" and all of the other Rex Ryan chicanery... he has contingency plans in his playbook I'm sure

And he is going to have to bust them out, I fear

Houston's acl injury was different than that of Charles, etc. Houston didn't tear his ACL.

The problem is that i'm still not sure that Sutton isn't just 'copying' what Ryan did without really understanding it. Might be why he is so slow on adjustments etc, he has to research what Ryan did etc because he doesn't really "know" it.

All i know is that when something goes wrong Sutton doesn't really seem to know what to do. He has one game plan and that's it.

You ever see the movie The Waterboy?

A coach steals a playbook and suddenly starts winning. But then when Henry Winkler(plays coach) breaks out brand new plays the guy just doesn't know what to do because he is just follow a script created by another coach.

feels eerily like sutton ... hope i'm wrong


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This will probably be the plan.

No, but the essentially tore it when they replaced it.

The injury may have been different but the treatment was largely similar; they both had their knees reconstructed and at that point it's simply up to the vagaries of the human body.

There's no telling how Houston's knee will handle the ACL replacement vs. anyone else's.

LOL wasnt expecting a Waterboy reference, but I think you're onto something

I agree 100% that Sutton isnt nearly as creative as his mentor, he doesnt do halftime adjustments well at all, among other problems... but we should also remember that we won 6 straight without Houston

:clap: end of thread

I still wonder if it's a nerve issue. When they say the ligament was unresponsive, that's what I thought from the beginning.

Nah, i don't think so. I know what you mean though. But whenever this comes up i am reminded of a quote Sutton made his first year here. I don't remember it verbatim, but it was something to the tune of "rex taught me not to let the offense dictate what i do on defense". Nowhere close to word for word, but the meaning was basically the same.

I don't think he doesn't know what to do. I think is style his to force his gameplan to work.

Yep. Best to move on now and plan on him not being here this season. If he does happen to make it back, then great. Its Dee Ford time now.

Exactly the case.

:hmmm:

Isn't the result the same?

This ... if I recall they said his ACL was not functioning properly. I can't remember if they clarified what "not functioning properly" meant. i assume it could mean a number of things ... too loose, too tight, or even worse necrotic which would require a full replacement.

I'm hoping he is back by mid-season. That way he has enough playing time under his belt and will be in good rhythm and form come playoff time.

If that happens, it's a wet dream especially knowing that he will be less tired from not having to go through the wear and tear of a 16 game schedule.

What can I say bros?

Go Chiefs and Go Jays!!!

Houston's knee sound like a good hamburger from the way your coach talks about him.

Were u always a reerun or did that happen when you became a Raiders fan? :shrug:

He can't just "come back" for the playoffs. He has to come back on the active roster by week 11 or get put on season ending IR.

So from Week 1 to Week 11 he has 11 weeks to get healthy. (I have no idea how far Houston is in being healthy I just wanted to clarify for people that think he can just show up Week 17 and party.)

Andy Reid on Charles and Houston
 

Would put him back around 9 months after surgery.

Knowing absolutely nothing about the progression of his recovery, I'd say that sounds reasonable.

A year from now, Houston will be day-to-day.

My names Houston and I like to party.

I have no idea, I just know there will be a definitive end date to all this speculation on Houston well before the Chiefs get to the playoffs.

If Houston hits any snag I'd imagine the Chiefs have something up their sleeve at the trade deadline for any extra pass rush help.

I didnt know that, thanks for the info mcaj22... at least there is a firm date to mark down

What NFL team is going to trade a pass rusher?

One that's basically systematically eliminated from playoff contention and facing a rebuild... Yano half the league will be teetering on eliminated and half of that needing draft pics.

Pass rushers are at a Premium, which is why the Chiefs selected Ford in the first round.

Every team thinks they're one offseason away from a Super Bowl and there isn't going to be a single team that's willing to trade away a game changing pass rusher.

Yeah there's no way the Falcons would trade freeney in week 10 ��

I don't think it's going to be a good one.

But if Houston never comes back they're going to need more than Dee Ford. Hali will be well worn down by the playoffs.

You hate to think it, but hopefully it isn't the old got paid issue.

What is this????? I, as well as many others, was scoffed at for not believing that he would be back week 1 as a few on here were ADAMANT that he would be because a couple of other players had done it, so be damned if Houston should not be able to do the same. :rolleyes:

He can be put on the active roster and then just be inactive each week.

It's not like it's full snaps or nothing.

The team just has to make a decision about full IR at that time.

It's a roster decision week 11 not necessarily a 'play' decision

I heard basically the same thing from Reid and Dorsey on the NFL Radio training camp stop with the Chiefs. Was pretty much "Tamba and Jamaal will be back soon...but who knows if Justin will be back this season - gee, we sure hope so..."

Reading between the lines it sounds like Houston is out for the year.

This combined with losing Sean Smith leads me to believe that the Chiefs defense will be middle-of-the-pack this year. Hopefully, the offense starts clicking.

Without knowing his injury I don't think you can automatically conclude that the surgery or treatment was the same.

Justin Houston being out for the year would be a complete anomaly. ACL tear construction rehab is usually 9 months.

If Houston isn't back for the playoffs, which would be 11 months from his surgery, something either went horribly wrong or the Chiefs lied to us about his injury in the first place.

Well, guess we get to see what Dee Ford has in the tank full time this year.

I wouldn't be shocked. Why do you think Dorsey changed his tune with Mellinger ? Had to save face now that he realizes recovery is going much slower.

Have a bad feeling about Ford. Don't think he will be 'the man'. Hope I am wrong.:hmmm: