Kruger cut by Browns.
 

For teams looking at a complementary veteran this offseason, look no further than the open marketplace in Cleveland. The Browns have already let go of safety Donte Whitner and linebacker Karlos Dansby and traded Barkevious Mingo.

And on Monday morning, they added another big name to that list: rush linebacker Paul Kruger.

Bring him in for a look?

He'll probably be expensive....but I'd kick the tires.

YES! He is not the "best" OLB but he is great in Run Support!

Plus, his usage rate was way down last year. This guy can still get us 7-9 sacks.

Belch.

Did he or did he not have to take his playbook to Ray farmer? Asking for a friend.

I'm going to miss that guy!

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As I mentioned in the other thread, unless Moses is unable to start Week 1 or is placed on the PUP, I'd pass on Kruger, whom I believe is a Veteran Minimum guy at this point at best.

He's 30 years old, had 2.5 sacks last year. Moses can easily provide that type of production.

If that's the case I'd get him 3x for vet minimum just put out out against the run. At this point and an aging Hali and a barely useful ford it's a nice plan b.

I suppose $3 million to rotate with Hali while Ford's filling in for Houston isn't the worst plan to have, as long as he's healthy.

Right now we're all in on halis body holding up and fords testicles dropping... I'd take anyone with experience on the cheap.

Look at his snap count, he did have 11 Sacks the year before.

Which is all but 700K of our current cap space.

No thanks.

Yeah and with no foreseeable cuts in the near future we'd have to free up space..

Why do the Chiefs need $4.4 million in cap space if they're trying to win a Super Bowl?

This.

Here's a great article on Kruger. And why I think it's worth taking a flyer on him. We might get a steal out of it.

http://dawgpounddaily.com/2016/08/29...b-paul-kruger/
Cliff notes:
-He didn't do well in Horton's system. With Horton re-hired, maybe Horton knows he's not right for his system
-Kruger had an awesome season 2 years ago. Then struggled last year. It looks like his struggles coincided with Jim O'Neil taking over playcalling, and he was a complete disaster of a DC
-Not stated in the article, but he's played in a Ryan defense much of his career. Including under Mike Pettine.

I actually think KC could get him for pretty cheap. What other teams run the Ryan defense other than Baltimore, Buffalo and KC?

This needs repeating.

If Hali's body finally goes and if Ford never grows a set we are in big trouble.

both players are needled badly unless we add someone


especially since the coaches don't seem to think that Dadi can get ready this year.

Because they'll need to pay it to Streater in the off-season if he hits his incentives.

Any move needs to be dollar in/dollar out. They absolutely need to maintain that cushion unless they cut Streater. They can't end up going in the hole with the tough cap questions they're going to face in 17.

I'm all for finding a way to make it work, but they can't pay this one on the credit card.

11 sacks in 2014, followed by a down year under a shitty DC

Oh yeah, if Dorsey can make the numbers work we'd be fools not to grab this guy

So what the heck has happened to Streater? Looked pretty good early on, now can't find him on the field. Is it a given that he's on the club, or has he had setbacks in practice?

The Chiefs have plenty of flexibility. It's all a matter of when they make the bold decisions in the positions they're deep at. Most obvious is giving Berry a long-term backloaded deal. But you can also move guys like Allen Bailey. In this case, I think it may be worth it. This team needs good OLBs and for 2 years straight, they can't keep their guys healthy in big game. If you structure the contract the right way, you can keep Kruger until you know for sure what you have in Dee Ford and/or Dadi Nicolas. If Kruger is even an upgrade over Ford, which right now isn't saying much, then that's more valuable to us than a guy like Bailey who plays well at a position where we're tremendously deep. We may not even need to do that. I think Kruger will take a discount to play in a system where he can thrive, and KC is one of the few that guarantees him that.

At this point in time, I wonder if Streater even makes the squad, as he's been invisible since Week 1.

Either they're "hiding" him or he's a goner. It's really odd.

But if it's between Streater and a pass rusher, I'm all over the the pass rusher.

The Chiefs aren't moving Allen Bailey. Are you high?

That's $5 million in dead money.

Paul Kruger's sack totals are a little deceiving. I thought he was more of a swiss army knife and not a full time rushbacker?

He wasn't playing rushbacker in Cleveland he was playing the Mike Vrabel role, because he can stop the run and drop back into pass coverage if needed. Which is literally the position everyone is bitching about Ford looking completely inept at.

I think something happened last season that Kruger was playing a position or scheme he wasn't comfortable with. But he's not going to get you a lot of sacks. I think he's known for sealing the edge, helping stuff the run and then dropping back into the flats or zone to cover a pass if needed (Ford can't do any of this). That's what got him his contract anyway. (his pass deflections up until last year are on par with Justin Houstons, that's why I think it could be a nice scheme fit)

Kruger is basically a poor mans Vrabel. Does this team need a guy like that? I'd argue yes, that way you can use Dee Ford to rotate with Hali strictly rushing from one side.

Geting rid of Bailey would be a dumb move,he's pretty good and not that pricey.Kurger sounds like just what we need if the price is right

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Cut Ford sign Kruger.

Or just sign Kruger.

Or just cut Ford.

Im down with any of the above.

Dorsey's ego is at stake here and it is very difficult for GM's in general to just casually cut their pick in the 1st rd. He will give Dee every opportunity before eating crow.

I agree with you though. Ford has no instinct in this defense whatsoever. He looks a lot like Lucille Ball in that infamous candy factory scene getting overwhelmed very easily. Just looks lost the majority of the time.

Yea i know, I'm being a bit facetious even though I don't think it would hurt at all to cut him.

I would still be A-OK with getting Kruger in here.

What is the deal with Steater?Has anybody heard about him at all,he didn't play a down that I could see at the Bears

Frank Zombo,Dee Ford or Paul Kruger?:hmmm::hmmm::hmmm::hmmm:

Aka, exactly what we need with houston out

Oh for sure !! I like your facetiousness and take it as gospel !!:D

LB/Pass rush is probably the biggest question mark on the team now.

ROLB/LOLB are neither deep or impactful with Houston

Hali is still good but not what he used to be
Ford is playing out of position at LOLB and is mediocre at best
Zombo is a blue collar backup who doesn't suck
Moses looks improved
Dadi looks to have good potential but coaching staff doesn't seem to be push his development

Ideally for me, we should move Ford to backup and rotate with Hali. He can learn how to rush and work from Hali. At least he will be able to use his quick first step for something.

Sign another LOLB and let them compete/rotate with Zombo.

Hopefully Dadi turns it on at some point this season


If that idiot Sutton doesn't move Ford over to his natural position then adding Kruger would help.

Kruger cut by Browns.
 

Krugers biggest issue the last two seasons has been his inability to seal the edge and stop the run.


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They know they are keeping Streater but they are deciding between Hammond or Wilson as who to keep and if the Bears game was any indication Hammond performed and Wison was typically disappointing but there will be some here that will still tout the ol potential work in progress drum after 4yrs.:rolleyes: Of course this is my theory and I have no idea if Streater is a little banged up or they wanted other WRs to get snaps to help evaluate and make a decision. Who knows???

LB/Pass rush is probably the biggest question mark on the team now.

ROLB/LOLB are neither deep or impactful with Houston

Hali is still good but not what he used to be
Ford is playing out of position at LOLB and is mediocre at best
Zombo is a blue collar backup who doesn't suck
Moses looks improved
Dadi looks to have good potential but coaching staff doesn't seem to be push his development

Ideally for me, we should move Ford to backup and rotate with Hali. He can learn how to rush and work from Hali. At least he will be able to use his quick first step for something.

Sign another LOLB and let them compete/rotate with Zombo.

Hopefully Dadi turns it on at some point this season


If that idiot Sutton doesn't move Ford over to his natural position then adding Kruger might help.

So he has Ford's Syndrome ??

Correct


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What gives you this idea about Kruger ? Did you watch a lot of Brown games? Not trying to agitate here either.

every game


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Actually Ford started doing a decent job of sealing the edge against the Rams.

He just didn't do anything else but that.

He is just a limited football player.

I don't know if he's just too stupid or lazy to handle more than one part of playing defense. All i know is that dumbass Sutton should have never put him in a position where he need to be smart and multifaceted.

He should have just put him behind Hali from Day 1 and let Hali toughen him up and teach him how to rush the passer in the NFL. Can you imagine Hali with Ford's 1st step and quickness?

But Sutton is a moron so ........

Agreed.

We just now need to stop the bleeding with getting gashed on the "run". I still don't like our run defense yet.

well then.....:rolleyes:

Usually would watch the Chiefs games live if they were on at the same time and record Browns games.


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Kruger was a pretty good rusher for the Ravens a few years back but he seems to have regressed somewhat with the Browns, but the Browns do tend to have that effect on players.

Do I have to take you seriously when you don't understand that the Chiefs are prohibited from extending Berry at this point?

Eh, don't answer. I'm not going to.

The Chiefs don't have nearly the last flexibility you believe they do and the fact that you're citing cutting Bailey (who's dead money would be brutal) and Berry (who again, by rule cannot be extended) confirms that you really have no idea what you're talking about.

I believe Hali's worst will be better than fords best
get us some back up, a PAID Houston may have a problem showing up

Kruger to visit saints then chiefs

http://www.espn.com.au/american-foot...eveland-browns

Turd

Foles, Acker, Kruger... I love seeing that we're grabbing talent wherever we can and making a strong push to squeeze all the juice out of our offseason before the season starts.

Pick him up. Why the hell not, we could use the help.

How much is too much to pay for Kruger?

Sounds like the saints are all in.... Which is fine.

Kruger to visit Nola then Kc.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2016/8...s-after-saints

It's a lock. LMAO

Besides, you know how KC fans love their "high motor" (wink, wink) defensive players.......

Krugers not what he once was but I'd rather go into the season with two halis than one Hali and a Dee ford.

Would like this move. Add all the pass rush you can while Houston is out.

Looks like a redshirt year for Dadi Nicolas.

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That is a lock.




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Do it!

So this would give Zombo the boot, right?

Houston
Hali
Kruger
Ford
Moses
Nicholas


Cut: Zombo?

Dee ford to IR (undecending testicles)

If he wants another ring, we're a better chance than the Saints

about as much as KC fans love their "high motor" receivers.

Don't see how his decision would be based on money considering NO and KC are two of the least cap space friendly teams in the league..

Way I see it is he has to decide if he wants to be a part of a playoff team and recharge his value on a one year "prove-it" deal in KC, or go to a longer term and starting role in a more interesting/fun city such as New Oreleans (considering his career has been spent in Cleveland/Baltimore, the man may want to go that route).

Zombo is too important on ST and can back up both OLB and ILB. Moses would be gone, imo.

Zombo has kind of looked like shit so far this year though. I'd rather keep Moses over Zombo.

Good depth pickup if he signs

Yeah, he hasn't looked great in the starting role. However, Moses hasn't done anything, either, since the Seattle game. Plus, they already cut Moses once this year.

That's why we're looking at him IMO. Ford Is better on the weak side and Kruger is better on the strong side.

Set that up and have Hali rotate in part time.

No question; it's a hand in glove move. He'd be an ideal fit.

But the money is just so damn tight. Even if you cut Davis, Fleming, DAT and Cooper, you save about $2.7 million after dead money but then you have to backfill them with other guys at the veterans minimum that will cost about $2 million. So cutting that dead weight saves us only about $700K.

Mauga would save us another $500K or so after his replacement is figured in.

Sure, there are re-structures, but I wouldn't guarantee Charles or Colquitt any more money. I'd consider restructuring Smith as I think we can safely say that he's here through 2018 at this point. The Chiefs could escape his deal pretty easily after 2017 but I just don't think they're inclined to do it. So if he's here through 2018 anyway, might as well try to convert some of his base this year into bonus. You could probably free up $3-4 million doing that, but it would take away that flexibility you'd gain post 2017 if it turns out that there's a young QB you really like in the draft next year.

There aren't easy answers, despite how loudly the "the cap is a myth" crowd wants to argue otherwise. This is a young team with some ascending players and a load of draft capital over the coming years. It's not a team that needs to push its chips in now for one last all or nothing run. They need to constantly keep an eye on the coming years as they have enough depth in this roster that they will need to pay for - the cap will ALWAYS be a problem on a team this deep.

Gotta be smart.

What are you backfilling with Davis, Flemming, DAT and Cooper? Their replacements are already on this roster. If they're planning on keeping a 4th RB....then they can keep Reaves. Flemming and Cooper already have their replacements in Murray and Acker. DAT is being replaced with Hill.

And I posted before in another thread....but the Broncos asked their Colquitt to take a paycut. I'd do the same thing with Dustin.

What's sucks is Houston's injury and the total money you've got there.

With him out and having to pay Kruger, you've got a big chunk in one spot pretty quick.

I am loving some Dadi Nicolas

Houston (PUP/ IR to return)

Kruger
Hali
Ford
Zombo
Moses
Nicholas

When Houston comes back....you either cut Zombo or Moses.

No they aren't. Their replacements are people who AREN'T presently factored into the 'top 51' that the NFL factors into the cap.

When you cut Davis and keep Reaves, Reaves now moves into the 'top 51'. Cutting Davis saves you $700K but Reaves costs the veteran minimum and will count against the cap now at $500Kish.

So the net gain is $200K. And it's like that with Flemming, Cooper, etc...

You still have to fill a roster and when you're looking at cutting guys that are barely making above the minimum anyway AND carry dead money with them, you're mostly moving laterally when you try to make space by cutting them.

As for Colquitt - probably too late. If the Chiefs wanted to mess with his money, they needed to bring in camp competition. He holds the cards now. The only way they'd convince him to take a pay cut is if they agree to lock him in on his money for next year and they shouldn't be doing that either. It's time to move on from the $4 million punter (it's past time, in fact, but the Chiefs are stuck here, IMO).

I don't think they need 6 olb.