"Is Having Alex Smith the Worst Purgatory in Football?"--Dan LeBatard
 

He mentioned it a few times on his radio show today. The quotes in reference is from the top of the second hour. in full:

"What is the worst purgatory in football? Is it Alex Smith, where you're going to be OK, and hugely boring, and never win anything, or is it the whole Philip Rivers situation of always being down late and having to go the whole length of the field?"

"It's not Hell; it's Purgatory. You're OK, but you're not good enough and you're not going to be good enough."

"You're not going to do any sort of meaningful winning with Alex Smith as your QB. Nothing."

"It's hard to watch when you watch what they were playing against and he's, 'all I wanna do is not turn the ball over, all I wanna do is it's 3rd and 9 and I'll throw it three yards, or I'll take a sack.'"

"You'll get to the playoffs, and you'll lose."

That case could be made for the head coach, too

He manages to get some good takes in every once in a while.

It's almost like everyone outside of 1 Arrowhead Drive knows that Smith isn't anything more than a seat warmer for a future QB at best.

It's a complete franchise and fan base problem. ,8-8 and don't **** with parking = happy KC

If Smith pisses down his leg in the first half at Oakland, I replace him at the half and never ever look back

At least Foles would be able to utilize our speed at receiver

The time to replace a QB is during a bye week. If he starts the Oakland game he'll finish the season under center barring injury.

No amount of bad play can get Smith benched by Reid. None.

You know that's not happening. We were down by 40 points and Reid wouldn't pull that piece of shit QB.

You're correct, the time to replace him is now. But since we know that wont happen, I was kinda dreaming that it could happen if Smith really stinks it up at oakland

Yeah, I'm pointlessly dreaming

My patience is at an end though, I dont wanna limpdick my way to a wildcard

I cannot say that any better.

It's the Chiefs way.

One day we'll try the other way and we'll be so ****ing happy this board will be a homer jizz jerkfest.

Rivers/Romo/Cutler.........

Posted this way back in 2013 when the trade went down, sort of prophetic if I do so myself, whiffed on the Poe analysis but such as it is.


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If/when they trade for another backup or go with Foles (without a 1st/2nd rd rookie QB behind him) that'll be it for me.
The Chiefs have had some good teams capable of going deep in the playoffs, but QB has always held them back.

If they don't invest in a QB after this year, why would you invest in them as a fan?

Cant argue against that, its well past time to invest a top pick

Your first mistake was listening to Dan Lebatard. Literally zero insight on any sport.

Are you saying you are in fact Dan Lebatard?!?!?!

but he is 100 percent right with this take

You don't get the show.

What I'm afraid of is them going after a 1st round QB and that guy not working out. We know what happened the last time we drafted one that high. We were too afraid to invest heavily in a QB afterwards.

If this team drafts a guy and it doesn't work out they can't be afraid to go right back and try it again. Oakland and Denver are probably set for the foreseeable future at QB. Rivers in SD doesn't have too much time left most likely but I guarantee the Chargers aren't going to just sign or trade for a backup and name him the starter. This ****ing franchise had better shit or get off the toilet. Get a ****ing QB now.

Why do I hope for an injury to Smith that knocks him out for 6-8 games so we can see Foles or Bray under center?

I thought this year would be different but it's the same ole shit different year.


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The problem is that they have drafted QB's.




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When is the next blackout arrowhead scheduled for?

Dee Ford or Derek Carr? You decide.

And god****INGdammit, Blackledge was 33 freaking years ago. I'd say it's just about time we got over the fact that we completely screwed the pooch taking him over what else was available and press on like we aren't a bunch of scared pussies so we can try to find a playmaker for the most important position on the field. Those "generally" come at the top of the first round or two.

With first round salaries now effectively neutered there's very little risk compared to ten years ago.

The Chiefs need to just ****ing do it.

Chiefs don't have the patience even to develop backup quarterbacks. Cut our two draft picks.

Meh. They sucked. Hogan was a worse Alex Smith.

Foles or Bray aren't going to change Andy Reid.

They at least throw it farther than 5 yards.

Funny when reading quotes like this when Cassel wasn't that long ago

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What's the point? They won't get it. They never do. They'll trade for Gabbert or Kaepernick and think everything is fixed.

I doubt they get even a wildcard, It'll be hard to get more than 7 wins.

We have one of the worst passing games in the NFL and what is shaping up to be one of the worst pass defenses.

Should be a great combo.

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I request TigerUppercut be name changed to:

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Wait. You said it was LeBatard. Where is the bullshit about the anthem/Kaepernick/BLM/racism schtick?

Really though, I don't give a ****. I'll stay in purgatory after climbing out the depths of hell thanks to Squirmin Herman Mother****ing Sack of **** Edwards and Scott Franchise Killer Pioli. **** man.

We aren't winning shit for awhile anyway. We don't consistently beat good teams so until we can do that, what's the ****ing point of worrying about who is taking the snaps?

Between the Tire Fire days of Squirmin Herman Mother****ing Sack of **** Edwards and Scott Franchise Killer Pioli, and then right the **** after that the CTE bullshit starts and they pull half our starters out because of "concussions" when we are raping some fools in the playoffs, to Donks becoming cheap shot artists and Von Douche not getting fined for obviously teeing off on Smith. Late. With the Crown. Launching. While a week later Tampa gets one for a fat OL sitting on him. Then through the whole London home game crap. All the way through to the tampering shit, Sean Smiths ridiculous suspension. Then these mother****ers like Richard Sherman says his knees hurt while I climb on the tractor with arthritis in my knees ankles and hands but don't happen to have any $20M checks laying around. I'm just ****ing tired man. What the **** am I rooting for? It used to be football. Now it's ****ing asenine PR driven nonsense that has only an ancillary correlation to football.

Maybe I'm grumpy after working a billion hours to get $3 corn harvested and $2.80 wheat planted, but I'm ****ing tired of ****ing nonsense.

/rant

Me holding on as Buehler tees off on the world of football....

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Sounds a little like purgatory.

He's not an elite QB....never was and never will be.

He's a game manager.

It's a combination of him and Reid. Doug Pederson left and is in Philly kicking ass w/ a rookie QB. Alex Smith is a 11yr NFL veteran QB with an average ceiling who's started just about every season of his career. You won't find many other QB's with more starting experience than Smith. The ones who have just as much or more starting experience you could argue are better than Smith.

Brady
Roethlisberger
Rivers
E.Manning
Rodgers
(.....even a healthy Tony Romo)

4 out of the 6 QB's listed above are SB winning QB's, and you can argue the other 2 are still better than AS.

Smith isn't going to throw any passes longer than 15-20yrs. That's a problem. I dont know if it's Reid not trusting Smith to go deep, or if Smith doesn't have the balls to, or if Reid has such tunnel vision that those plays don't even get called or if it's a lethal combination of everything. But it's a huge ****in' problem. Something has to change.

But one thing's for sure. Reid's not giving the playcalling duties to anyone else and there's no way in hell Alex Smith is being benched.

I want Goodell brought right here, with a big ribbon on his head, and I want to look him straight in the eye and I want to tell him what a cheap, lying, no-good, rotten, four-flushing, low-life, snake-licking, dirt-eating, inbred, overstuffed, ignorant, blood-sucking, dog-kissing, brainless, dickless, hopeless, heartless, fat-ass, bug-eyed, stiff-legged, spotty-lipped, worm-headed sack of monkey shit he is! Hallelujah! Holy shit! Where's the Tylenol?

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Shit Alex was good too many drops can hurt you. He's a great qb.

You mean the Andy Reid with this play book?

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Smith would not be on the field, if he refuses to throw deep passes that Reid wants. I don't know why people can't get this.

Half the shit Reid calls are designed quick hitting short passes.

So we have to figure one of two things.

1. Alex can't make the deeper throws and multi-reads.. so his coach is masking his flaws.
( could anyone really believe a HC would pay and play a QB like this?)

2. Andy once again sees a bottom tier OL, and feels he has to get the ball out quick or they are screwed.

This yr, it also feels clear that Reid is terrified of Alex getting hurt. (both in quick pass calls no matter what... AND that Smith is no longer using his legs much)

Alex Smith is not a special QB that can carry a brokedicked or group of screwups. Few teams have one.

Be honest, everyone.. this team has been loaded with people screwing up way too much so far.. everyone including Smith. It's as if they huddle up and ask, "okay, which of us will royally fail our assignment this play?"

... but people here are like children. I can't tell if you all just love the drama? or if you are really panicked and miserable like this IRL. It's a pathetic display of fans on a team that has more wins in 4 games this yr than they had in 6 games last yr.

Smith has not been good.. but once again, when the whole team is loaded with fail... why do fans expect this mythical, epic QB to come in and carry them? It's rare... RARE... and it's not Alex ****ing Smith.

Alex Smith is the worst QB in the NFL that you'd be OK with as your team's starter. He's never going to be Aaron Rodgers or Cam Newton or Ben Roethlisberger but he's also not going to be Tyrod Taylor or Case Keenum or Blake Bortles or Blaine Gabbert who will be on teams that are contiunally looking for a new QB.

Jfc. This team is loaded with fail? This is the most talented offensive team we've had by a mile since Alex has been here. Alex is for the first time in a while being asked to win games in the 20s. If you're completely incapable of doing that, you won't win consistently in the nfl. A qb shouldn't be this reliant on a defense to give up less than 20 and force 2 or 3 turnovers a game to win.

Instead of making excuses, let's point to a simple idea. All we need from Alex Smith is to start scoring 20+ points often. Even without defensive turnovers. Alex isn't carrying a brokedick team. For once he doesn't have a defense carrying him. That's the difference.

Same old story. If Alex sucks dick, it's because the roster suddenly went to shit or contracted AIDS.

Magically, of course.

Purgatory seems pretty accurate.

The same old story is that when many players on the team are failing, everyone wants to point to the QB to save them.

Receivers are dropping passes, OL are horribly missing blocks, playcalls are predictable and frustrating, and no.. the QB is not doing enough to compensate for all of that fail.

That's just focusing on the offensive side. I'm giving the defense a pass on most of their issues. No Justin Houston, and young or crappy secondary... we knew this would be a problem.. and often, they have done well enough.

Try and get it through.. Alex is just part of the problem. He's just the only part anyone here wants to focus so much rage and blame on.

Been said a million times.. even by people that were open-minded of him...

HE CAN'T SAVE A TEAM WITH THIS MANY PEOPLE SCREWING UP.

If that makes him limited and not worth keeping, hey, that's fine. But until all of those other team issues get cleaned up some, there are only a few QBs around that can succeed with the current mess... and we can't have them.

Perhaps if the passes didn't suck monkey-butt?....

We have the worst luck with o-linemen.

ah, cut the shit... passes are hitting guys in the hands.

sure, he's had some wild ass misses, but most would agree those are typical of all QBs.

Now be relieved. I'm done with this for the week. Smith's not really been worth defending, and I said all that needs saying.

Continue to cry, argue amongst yourselves.. and act befuddled at why the GM/HC are keeping Smith on the field. The answer to that is, they see what I see, and are in agreement.

so the problem is our defense getting it's shit pushed in and no adjustments but continue to cry about ****ing alex smith

You're my boy, Bueh!

I haven't watched a single down of Chiefs football since midseason last year because I came to that realization and I just couldn't bring myself to care about a franchise that doesnt care about the playoffs, let alone a SB.

Alex Smith is like taking a stock Honda Civic to a drag race.

sure, you're going to beat some of the other 4 bangers here and there, and even occassionally beat a Corvette when his car breaks down at the line and can't run.

but you're never going to consistently win races. you'll still have the same 18second 1/4 mile car that requires 100 things to go right in order to even hope to win.

Sad, but true.

Remember when Cassel got jammed down our throats over and over? This could get worse considering the amount of offensive talent that will get wasted.

I really hope that's not true. If Dorsey and Andy start him week after week no matter how he plays then we as fans are hosed. That means they don't care about their product at all.

The problem is that we took a step back on defense so we can invest in offense. Over the years we brought in Maclin, Schwartz, and signed fisher and Kelce to mega contracts. And yet, the offense has looked really, really bad this year.

I expected out defense to take a step back after losing Sean Smith, Abdullah, Houston, and then Gaines... And nobody really new to replace these guys. I didn't expect our offense to. What's their excuse? Who are the big players they're missing, other than Charles, who wasn't even here late last year?

I was hoping that the Royals resurgence would help fix the low expectations for the Chiefs. I do think it is helping and the evidence is right around here. Just being average or slightly above average just isn't going to cut it for Chiefs fans after getting a taste of what rooting for a real contender is like in the Royals. Hopefully the perfect storm of injuries/bad luck won't follow the Royals into next year and another contending season will force the Chiefs to finally sack up and really make a run at fielding a contender.

Don't you find it a bit funny that Alex, according to you, has literally had a "bottom tier" offensive line for his entire career?

How many different combinations of offensive linemen and wide receivers has this dude had in front of him in his career?

I think it's becoming apparent that he's the problem.

Was it the defense's problem when the offense couldn't score points against Houston and the Jets?

What about this franchise? Nothing screams purgatory more than the chiefs.

Alex Smith has only thrown for 6 300 yard games throughout his career. I mean that's not good enough to be considered a heavenly quarterback. So yeah purgatory makes sense.

Oh stop it. KC barely had any drops until they played Pittsburgh. It was raining. MOst drops came when the game was out of reach, but whatever. Don't lie and pretend this has been a season long issue. Alex's piss poor completion percentage throwing beyond 10 yards is a reality bigger than some drops on Sunday.

The defense was terrible. White made a lot of mistakes. The pass rush isn't getting it done. Yes, they've held two opponents so far under 20 points. We lost one of those games because the offense scored 12 points.

Oh FFS, nobody is saying he's the ONLY problem. They're saying he's a prominent problem, and that problem cannot be 'coached up'. He is what he is, and it's purgatory. It doesn't matter if you play a good defense or a bad defense, he's the exact same guy. There is a ceiling you will never reach beyond with Alex Smith. I sure as shit don't think you solve it this season with Nick ****ing Foles, but it's kind of a reality this team needs to honestly accept.

He could stop hurting the team. Contribute less. It's not like Alex isn't one of the people screwing up, and since he touches the ball on every single play, it's pretty important he does that less. He threw an interception to a ****ing ghost in our own territory that was easily turned into a early TD and put us in a huge hole, and you're here making excuses. Weak sauce.

Yeah, you can be glib, but you're doing exactly what you accuse others of. You say they're not spreading blame, but you're giving one guy a ridiculous exclusion from accountability at the most important position the sport has.

Yeah...the other team's D lineman's hands...


Then it was tipped up and intercepted. To top it off, the throw was to pretty much nobody in the first place.

Daddy why?!?!?

Man, this place sure is a lot more cognizant of reality this week than last. I still don't understand why it took yet another in a long line of pathetic performances for people to finally turn on him. He's always been a POS no matter the record or performance around him.

It's the same excuses every single year of his career. Bad OL, too many drops, blah blah blah.

Have any of the hard-core optimists really changed their tune? I think what you are seeing is the people who have been frustrated, but don't rehash this stuff daily, finally reaching a boiling point.

The Chiefs passing offensive has been one of the worst in the league ever since Alex became a member of the Chiefs and people talk about him as if he's about to crack into the top 10 of QBs in the league. It's disgusting.

I'll give Alex Smith this. He did an excellent job getting mediocre production from a bad supporting cast. The problem is, we're getting more mediocre if not worse production with an excellent supporting cast.

I wish we could rewind. I'd take away all our big offensive contracts apart from rbs and spend every dollar on top shelf defensive talent.

It's actually hilarious. Watching them defend him like he's a Brady/Rodgers/etc level QB and that it's just the pieces around him that are the issue cracks me up.

Chiefs overvalue RBs to a fault... Most expendable position in the league they value the most...

Its the Marty curse.

Sir we went 11-5 last year.

Tyrod Taylor had a better passer rating, QBR, YPA, scored more TDs and turned the ball over less than Alex last year and is having a slightly better season than Alex so far this year.

In Blake Bortles second year as a pro, he had 37 touchdowns and threw for a sliver under 4,500 yards.

But these teams are looking for a new QB huh? SMFH.

Thats what everyone said last year when we started 1-5 and I kept telling people they could still make the playoffs.

The Chiefs are 2-2. Which is about what we expected if we looked at the schedule before the year at this point. Nobody was thinking we would go into Pitt and win.

I'm not saying the sky is falling, but people keep pointing to cracking off 11 straight wins like that is something we can now expect from this team. Good luck with that.