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DaFace 10-25-2016 08:31 AM

Worse contract for an unproven QB: Cassel vs. Osweiler
 
It strikes me that the Texans situation this year isn't completely unlike the Chiefs back in the dark ages. Both Cassel and Osweiler had performed well with their previous teams, but both of those teams were Super Bowl contenders regardless of the quarterback. Both of them got monster contracts that many questioned, and both of them (at least thus far for Osweiler)...well...sucked pretty hardcore.

If you try and take your own Chiefs bias out of it, which contract do you think was the most egregious error on the part of their new teams?

Halfcan 10-25-2016 08:35 AM

Cashole.

rico 10-25-2016 08:38 AM

I won't ever be able to convince myself that anything is worse than anything that is remotely Cassel-related.

Mile High Mania 10-25-2016 08:39 AM

Shouldn't you include the fact that KC also gave up a R2 pick for Cassel and Vrabel? And, I believe that pick turned into Patrick Chung. That is part of the cost, no?

DaFace 10-25-2016 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 12505574)
Shouldn't you include the fact that KC also gave up a R2 pick for Cassel and Vrabel? And, I believe that pick turned into Patrick Chung. That is part of the cost, no?

Eh, I dunno. Technically they traded for him separately from the contract extension. Plus, all of that won't on one line of the poll. :)

Rooster 10-25-2016 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by rico (Post 12505572)
I won't ever be able to convince myself that anything is worse than anything that is remotely Cassel-related.

Me neither. I still have too much hatred for the Pioli years to answer this objectively.

So I vote CassHole. :#

Rooster 10-25-2016 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 12505574)
Shouldn't you include the fact that KC also gave up a R2 pick for Cassel and Vrabel? And, I believe that pick turned into Patrick Chung. That is part of the cost, no?

No need to pour salt on the wound. :)

Have you ever wondered how things may have went if McDaniel could have gotten Cassel like he was trying to do before the whole Jay Cutler soap opera?

Oh how things could have been but because we are the Chiefs we got screwed again. :harumph:

Molitoth 10-25-2016 08:48 AM

Initially the Cassel contract wasn't bad at the time of it happening.
Everyone thought that Pioli and Cassel were going to make the Chiefs a winner.

The thing that made Cassel so terrible is that after everyone figured out what he actually was... Pioli wouldn't admit his mistake and supply Todd Haley with a real QB competition.

Hydrae 10-25-2016 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 12505574)
Shouldn't you include the fact that KC also gave up a R2 pick for Cassel and Vrabel? And, I believe that pick turned into Patrick Chung. That is part of the cost, no?

This fact puts Cassel over the top for me.

Coochie liquor 10-25-2016 08:55 AM

Mark Cassel

wazu 10-25-2016 10:01 AM

Cassel by a mile because it wasn't even necessary to have him play for KC. It was an extension given to a player who hadn't made one start for KC and was already under contract.

The Franchise 10-25-2016 10:07 AM

Cassel.

Not only did we give up the 2nd overall pick for him but trading for him severely limited what we were able to do in the draft that year with the 3rd overall pick.

ToxSocks 10-25-2016 10:08 AM

I just wish he had stayed a Donkey...

ToxSocks 10-25-2016 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 12505589)
Initially the Cassel contract wasn't bad at the time of it happening.
Everyone thought that Pioli and Cassel were going to make the Chiefs a winner.

Yah...idk about that one....there was a lot of controversy there with that move.

ToxSocks 10-25-2016 10:10 AM

Also consider that while Cassel sucked ass, at least he sucked ass on bad teams. Assweiler is worse for the Texans because he's bringing down an actual good team...

jd1020 10-25-2016 10:16 AM

It's still early and as long as Osweiler is starting there's always a chance he could figure it out, but the guy started in less than half the games Cassel did on a SB winning team built on their defense and got $9M more guaranteed money. As it stands I have to throw my Chiefs bias out the window and go with Osweiler.

Saccopoo 10-25-2016 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 12505600)
Mark Cassel

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RunKC 10-25-2016 02:06 PM

Jay Cutler's deal makes both look good in comparison

KC_Lee 10-25-2016 02:07 PM

Scott Mitchell.

notorious 10-25-2016 02:18 PM

If Pioli doesn't jam Cassel down our throats way past the point he should of quit it wouldn't have been near as bad.

Mr. Laz 10-25-2016 02:19 PM

We don't know what Osweiler is going to be yet.

Buehler445 10-25-2016 02:28 PM

Cassel. By a lot.

But Belicheat wanna be gonna Belicheat wanna be.

vailpass 10-25-2016 02:29 PM

http://ww3.hdnux.com/photos/54/23/11.../1024x1024.jpg

sedated 10-25-2016 03:49 PM

As notorious said, Cassel seemed worse by the end because the FO refused to bench him or admit that he was a problem. His 27-7 (9) season was highly regarded at the time, though.

But Os was benched for a guy with half an arm. Can't recall a guy getting a big contract after that.

Tribal Warfare 10-25-2016 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 12505600)
Mark Castle

FYP

vailpass 10-25-2016 04:22 PM

http://ww1.hdnux.com/photos/54/23/02.../1024x1024.jpg

Mother****erJones 10-25-2016 04:29 PM

Eh....Ill add Pioli taking Donald ****ing Stephenson over Russell Wilson....:)


Just because I'm still not over it :facepalm:

mcaj22 10-25-2016 04:49 PM

At least there was some investment into Osweiler, he was a 2nd round pick in the draft and ACTUALLY PLAYED FOOTBALL IN COLLEGE and was somewhat a notable prospect. So at one point, at least as a college athlete, he had SOMETHING of talent.

Cassel didn't do anything, didn't throw single touchdown in 4 years in college. Just happened to be riding the coat tails of one of the best college teams ever assembled by Pete Carroll. His buddy Bill takes him in the 7th as a what the heck Nobody ever expected Tom Brady's knee to be blown out by BERNIE f'n POLLARD that year and Cassel being flung into a lineup that was basically Super Bowl lock with Brady.

Then of course, we get a Good Ole Boy from the Pats Tree and since the NFL is a good ole boys league, we get the funnel of Patriots fraud leftovers for 4 miserable years.

All because Tom Brady kept way too many coaches and front office guys employed in the NFL for the last almost 20 years. Without Brady they would all be terrible, and they have all proved that for the most part.

So it's Cassel, and all that fraud crap that people bought into.

Osweiler didn't bring anything with him. He didn't bring Osweiler fans at Texans Planet, He didn't bring washed up coordinators or fraud general managers. He didn't bring over the hill veterans from his previous team. He just brought himself. He might suck, but he has no connections to any club like Cassel had that kept him employed AND HAS KEPT HIM EMPLOYED for the last 10 years going from team to team happy to just rob a paycheck.

There should really be a 30 for 30 on Cassel and all the things that had to go right from him to get the contract/situation he got.

TigeRRUppeRRcut 10-25-2016 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12505924)
Jay Cutler's deal makes both look good in comparison

For reals

jspchief 10-25-2016 05:22 PM

The Texans had made the playoffs with pretty poor qb play already, so they didn't need a franchising saving player. I don't imagine the fans could stomach another year of falling short with journeymen retread QBs. They had to make a move.

It really just demonstrates how difficult it is to fix your team when qb is the problem. It's the reason teams have no choice to pay up for the Jay Cutlers of the league. As much as fans know that Cutler will never get it done, front offices know that Cutler is better than the alternative.

I still don't understand why qbotf isn't a major focus of every team in the league year after year. It's the hardest void to fill, so teams should be aggressively trying to to find that guy at all times.

POND_OF_RED 10-25-2016 05:33 PM

Jamarcus Russell. 6 year 61 million 32 million guaranteed

CapsLockKey 10-25-2016 05:38 PM

Cassel. At least Ostrichweiler still has some raw talent that could be developed with the right coaching. Cassel was at his ceiling the day Pioli traded for him.

Sweet Daddy Hate 10-25-2016 05:50 PM

Cassel.

Elway doesn't look like a complete butt-**** for letting Oz walk whereas KC and Peeholi look like complete butt-****s for even entertaining the notion of Mark Castle, much less paying him a dime.

Rain Man 10-25-2016 07:19 PM

It's hard to remove my Cassel bias, but I still think that's worse, primarily because Pioli came from that team and had inside information about Cassel as a player. You know that Elway was lying like crazy about Osweiler to cheat the Texans, but Pioli was supposedly a buddy of Belichick's.

OctoberFart 10-25-2016 07:21 PM

I don't know the details on Cassell deal but the Osweiler wasn't traded for a pick and really can be canned after next year and gone.

displacedinMN 10-25-2016 08:10 PM

Should add Scott Mitchell to this

Tombstone RJ 10-25-2016 08:18 PM

Pee-oh-lee traded away high round picks AND paid Cassy a boat load of cash. The suckiness of that bad deal resonates throughout the halls of bottom feeder teams to this day. Epic. Pure genius in how to destroy a team.

Mother****erJones 10-25-2016 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ (Post 12506887)
Pee-oh-lee traded away high round picks AND paid Cassy a boat load of cash. The suckiness of that bad deal resonates throughout the halls of bottom feeder teams to this day. Epic. Pure genius in how to destroy a team.

Still won a division title

PutQuinnIn 10-26-2016 12:41 AM

Somewhere John Elway has a big smile on his face, because his teeth are enormous!:D


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