QB Non-controversy
 

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2016/1...and-the-qb-non

Since the bye week, Smith is throwing deep on 20 percent of his attempts. He is 4-for-13 for 120 yards, with one touchdown. A 30 percent completion rate might not sound like much, but that's what you expect from all quarterbacks in the league on deep balls. If anyone is consistently completing more than 40 percent, you get suspicious.

There is a slight discrepancy in the PFR and PFF deep ball definition. But for our purposes, this is negligible. Because the point is that the Chiefs did not start dialing it up more, or throwing it more, just because Foles was in the game. The game-plan was: let's challenge deep and focus on Kelce. Both Smith and Foles did just that. And both did it at a rate-per-attempt that would be among the most aggressive units in the league, if PFF's numbers are any indication.

Against the Colts, Smith was 4-of-5 for 66 yards to Travis Kelce. He targeted Kelce on 26 percent of attempts.
Foles was 3-of-5 for 35 yards to Travis Kelce. He targeted Kelce on 23 percent of attempts.

Alex Smith >> Foles > Bray

Foles can definitely beat the Jags by at least 10 if he plays smart. If he's gambling on these deep balls come Sunday without having a well-rounded game we could be in for a very, very rough afternoon.

Spamming the board.

You're looking pretty insecure right now. We could have done without another thread.

Just As DJLN has been saying all over the threads...

"This is why Smith sets interception records and completion records. A lot of people said Smith's low interception rate was unsustainable when he nearly set the NFL record in 2011. But they didn't understand that it was completely sustainable because it wasn't due to luck, or to some statistical anomaly, but due to scheme. Smith was throwing short. Those passes are easier to complete and less likely to be picked off. The reverse is true of guys who throw deep all the time. Low interception rates and high completion rates are unsustainable when you throw deep. If much of a QB's success is from the deep game, then that QB's success is also unsustainable."

Spamming and trying to stir up junk with more repetitive threads.

Good article and a thread with a different take. Far from spam.

Lol Foles had 4 deep bombs in one half

sorry pawn you're going to need someone to quote your posts, you're on ignore.

Also Foles and Smith have same interests rate (2.2%) for their career even though Foles throws deeper more

I could care less if you're to stupid to click 'view'

I'm still going to ridicule you

Foles could go 30 for 34 for 435 yards and 5 TD's and he wouldn't usurp Alex as starter. So in that regard, yes - there is no QB controversy.

Yes. Anomaly as we knew that was open at first. Again, they planned for Smith. We've seen plenty of backups come in and do well for this very reason. In the long run, they settle back to the bottom. Same will happen with Foles.

I see your point. This just proves that Andy isn't some offensive guru or QB genius.

Smith is at the bottom 3rd or worse each year. I really don't have any expectations that Foles will be any better in the end.

Foles is easy to figure out as the season progresses with him as the starter. That's what makes him valuable to us as a bench player, we can wheel him out to win us games on a as needed basis. That's about all his ceiling is.

His last 7 games with the St. Louis Rams he was 2TD's to 9 INT's with a QB rating average < 60 despite a hot start to the year against a couple of great defenses in Seattle and Arizona

Someone tell me..has Smith EVER played a 7 game stretch of football with us that he gave this team absolutely no chance to win?

You're a ****ing idiot

This makes quite the claim that makes sense theoretically, but totally falls on it's face when you look at the NFL.

Primarily because it appears to define success exclusively as 'not throwing interceptions'.

While it's a BIT more complicated than that, otherwise the most conservative QB's would consistently be the most successful. I mean, there's half a century of evidence that this is a bad hypothesis.

That is to say nothing about Foles vs. Smith. I'm just not getting into that on this forum.

That's actually really not fair to all of the other idiots around here.

This guy is on a whole notha level

Be careful. He will be crying to the mods soon saying you hurt his feelings.

You posted this in another thread. No one wants to read this tripe. Four deep completions in three weeks is poverty quarterbacking.

**** him.

How's geno smith these days?

He's still in the league which I bet is more than Alex can say in a couple years.

Not sitting out with a non-concussion.

"Just bury your head in the sand, and wait for your ****ing prom!"

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Getting paid over 1 million this week to take a break when the team is playing a bottom dweller.

Only in your dreams would your life be this nice, Pest.

That's all well and good, but not this Sunday, sugar-tits.

What's so bad about throwing it deep on third and long taking a chance if it get's intercepted and the defender gets tackled you were going to punt the ball on fourth down anyways so you at least increase the chance of making a big play down field. Just a thought.

A large percentage of interceptions are returned for significant yards... We have one of the best punters in the league who helps us maintain field position. That's why

I can't wait to see Foles hit Hill for another bomb and the camera goes straight to Alex.

"Hey.....hey Alex.....did ya...did ya see that pass"?

Against three of the worst defenses in the league

can't wait to see Alex hovering around our real starting QB going "hey guys great job can I help huh huh can I?"

Get a room

Wait a minute

If we don't allow spamming bait posts then about 40% of the posters on this place are gone.

Alex Smith haters have spammed this place for the last 3 years with endless post designed to bait and start shit.

suddenly that's not allowed?


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I know ****ing why dipshit didn't need an explanation from you. It was a random thought because if your not doing good you may as well heave it out there and that was hypothetical.

He was being sarcastic you brain dead moron

Your stupidity by default needs to always be put in check.

Go eat your taco bell you scrub

I haven't been this excited for a Chief game since our last Super Bowl appearance.

Shut up.

Shut up.

Shut up.

I'm so ****ing amped.

Pawnmower and I are already working on a Foles video.

The revolution will be televised.

So NEVER take a chance and never give your receivers a chance to make a play......

**** that

Yup. In many cases, a deep int is as good as a punt.

More importantly, if you want to establish a running game, you need to loosen up the defense.

Alex has done that in spurts. But not nearly enough.

Out of curiosity... How many of these deep passes occurred in desperation mode against Pittsburgh and San Diego? I am guessing a very high %.

Some of the most accurate deep ball chuckers in recent history:

Rodgers, Big Ben, Brady, Manning (prime years), Flacco, Brees

Yeah, we certainly don't want any of that! Those guys never bring home a ring, or all of them, I don't know you tell me?

It only took a half to see that Smith and his conservative pussy nature are the root cause of our dink n dunk offense and that Foles was looking for paydirt whenever possible. They looked like an entirely different team under Foles and even though they may have made some slight adjustments for him. It was clear that it's Alex and not Andy that is the pussy and the constant comments from Reid over the years about trying to get Smith to open it up backs this up. I would also say that the bubble screens were much more effective after Foles backed the D off with a couple deep throws which never happen under Smiff.

Not ready to come out and say Foles > Smiff, nor am I saying Alex is a terrible QB, just that it was refreshing to see the O actually scare a D a little for the first time in years.

There is no controversy. After Sunday Foles will show us all what a real QB looks like

I thought it was pretty clear that the game plan against Indy was to get vertical. You knew it right off the bat via the play selection early on.

So yes, i don't think it was ever in doubt that vertical plays were drawn up on Sunday, it wasn't just a "Nick Foles Thing".

But that changes nothing about my stance since this discussion started.

You are a delusional ****. The Chiefs have never employed anything resembling "what a real QB looks like" in the modern era.



:D

Why?

Probably true so my question is why announce that foles is starting that early in the week? Is there some NFL rule I don't know about? Wouldn't it be better to say its a game time decision? The other team is going to prep for Foles now who runs the ball less himself and throws it deeper more often.

silly man, the jags don't prep for things

You assume he'll throw it deeper more often. I don't think so. From the beginning of the Indy game you knew that Reid wanted to get vertical, so our plays downfield were by design, not simply a product of Foles coming onto the field.

The Jaguars field a better defense. Foles had all day to throw against Indy. He won't have that much time against the Jags.

Personally, i think our offense will look the same. And if it does, what does that say about Alex?

What does that say about Reid?

What i want to know is: Is Alex simply a product of Reid's system? If we can throw a guy like Foles in and have the same success or more, i think that's an indication that system is good, not necessarily the QB. If Foles stinks it up, it's a good case for Alex, not necessarily the system.

Remember AJ Feely? Kevin Kolb? He made those average/below average QB's look good enough to entice other teams. He actually got good production out of guys like Vick and Jeff Garcia. What happened to McNabb after he left Reid? Complete flop.....

Remember why Tyler Bray wanted to be a Chief? "Reid gets QB's paid"...

So lets see on Sunday.

It will look the same and then everyone will bitch that Andy handcuffed Foles. They will have expected Reid to change the entire offensive philosophy for a backup. They will be dumb.

I need someone to help me troll the terror head returns Facebook page. Every time I say Foles is gonna take over the true fans go full reerun.

He doesn't even have to ball-out, just step beyond the murky haze of indecision that the other party continually shows, and he'll come off like a golden god.

Could you possibly pencil me in for a Saturday time? My trolling skills are at their peak when I have returned from the gym after a good night's sleep.

I can be of great service.

PM me.

I really hope Foles lights it up on sunday 4 td's I want so much heat under smith and the smithsexuals it will be glorious.

I too will stand up to this challenge.

Chiefs QB Alex Smith has reason to be conflicted about sitting out Sunday
 

http://www.espn.com/blog/kansas-city...ying-on-sunday

Chiefs QB Alex Smith has reason to be conflicted about sitting out Sunday


Adam Teicher
ESPN Staff Writer

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KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- The last time Alex Smith had a concussion, he lost his job as a starting quarterback.

In 2012, when playing for the San Francisco 49ers, Smith was concussed and sat out a game. When he returned the follow week, his starting spot had been given to Colin Kaepernick and Smith never got it back. After that season, he was traded to the Kansas City Chiefs.

So, if anyone has reason to push things, it's Smith, particularly considering that under current circumstances both he and the Chiefs believe he doesn’t have a concussion. That’s why Smith acknowledged being conflicted about giving up his starting job, if only for Sunday’s game against the Jacksonville Jaguars, to Nick Foles.

“It was a very different situation [with the 49ers]," Smith said. “When I went through that, my eyes were a big deal in that, as far as my vision. There were things there, things that were going on that obviously triggered that. You get put in [concussion] protocol.

“I don’t have any symptoms [now]. I haven’t had any of those issues. ... I’m a football player. I feel good."

The decision was made by coach Andy Reid, though he consulted with Smith. For Smith's part, his own history was only part of the concern. Foles is a favorite of Reid’s. When the Philadelphia Eagles drafted Foles in 2012, Reid was their coach.


Alex Smith took hits twice last Sunday in Indianapolis that forced the Chiefs quarterback out of the game. AP Photo/Darron Cummings
The Chiefs offense worked better in last week’s game against the Indianapolis Colts when Foles was at quarterback. He and Smith threw roughly an equal number of passes, but Foles had four completions of 28 or more yards and Smith had none.

Reid has said that when Smith is ready to play again, he'll be the Chiefs' starting quarterback. Still, it's human nature for Smith to be uncomfortable with the situation.

On the other side of Smith's dilemma is the science. While he doesn't believe he has a concussion, he's not ignoring the facts of what occurred in Indianapolis. “Certainly something happened," he said. “Don’t know what it was. Don’t know what you want to call it."

Smith was removed from the game twice after taking hits. He staggered after getting off the ground the first time. He lay on the ground for a few uncomfortable seconds after the second.

All that remains from those hits, Smith said, was a nasty cut on his right ear, one that was covered by a bandage on Wednesday.

But that doesn’t mean he wouldn’t be taking a risk by playing against the Jaguars.

“There’s a lot of research that says [with] any kind of head trauma or whatever you want to call it, time to heal is obviously important," he said.

Smith passed the concussion exams both times in Indianapolis. But something this week tugged at him to back off.

“I’ve got three little kids," Smith said. “You only get one brain, as far as I know. I feel great, but the last thing I wanted was to go out there and what if something happens again? All of a sudden you’re asking different questions at that point. So I’m not ready for that. I don’t want to be thinking about any of that.

“I love playing football. I love my teammates. I love everything about it. The last thing I want to do [and] I think anybody wanted to see was to come back too soon and to see something happen again. Would that have happened? Maybe, maybe not. You just don’t know. This is everybody taking the side of caution and trying to make the best decision. It’s not black and white."

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Here is hoping history repeats its self Alex.

It IS a team sport!...

:)

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:)


So many good meme's left over from how happy 49er fans were when kap took over.

JFC dude are you not paying attention around here?

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one last one :)

I'm not rooting for a injury I'm rooting for Foles to take his job.

Because of injury...:eek::eek::eek:


:D

Well yeah Should pats fan's message boards been banning all the Crybabies who wanted to give Bledsoe another shot.

it's a business if foles does his job better or equal for less money dem da breaks.

:facepalm:

Fifteen straight posts that fell into my ignore list..

I hear the idea that Reid is married to Alex is outdated. Smith was the guy he wanted, but he now realizes his limitations. Isn't looking to bench Smith but will be objective in assessing Foles during this window.

Whatever happens, happens. Better QBs than Smith have lost their starting jobs throughout time.

( if a guy like Joe Montana can lose his job to some hotshot younger QB, all bets are off )

Just keep winning, Chiefs.. and hope you don't fall apart for whatever decision is someday made.

I watched Joe Montana, sir. I can assure you that ASS11 is no Joe Montana.

No, Joe wouldn't have been banned from CP :)

No shit i dont think anyone has ever said he was.

If Reid can get Foles to play the way he did in 2013 He should absolutely be the starter and this team is a SB favorite.

That's the understatement of the year. Idiots look at him and say what an idiot.

Having a b/u QB that can go .500 in this league is a rarity.

We have one with the potential to start and play well enough to win every game we should win...

Here make it 16 you spineless ****ing worm.