Can we talk offensive line?
 

Can someone please explain to me why our offensive line sucks so bad? We can't open up any holes for Ware, we can't push the ball in from the one yard line, we also let guys run free into the backfield. Is it coaching? Do our players just suck?

More suck than anything IMO.

Fisher was terrible last night. He's usually solid, but when he plays bad, its really bad. The guards are dog shit for the most part, although I have seen growth from Tardif this year. I'm not overly high on the O-line scouting so far in the Dorsey/Reid era, but its not like its any worse than during Pioli's tenure.

I want my early 2000s line back lol they were so dominate

Hahaha. Yeah that'd be nice but the Shields' and Roaf's' of the world don't come around so often. I'd like to just see adequacy sometimes. I don't like the guards. I just don't. I think you need strong guards in the NFL if you're a West Coast team, and can get away with passable tackles. Chiefs have the tackles, but their guards are ... weak.

Fish did some work on Kelces big run.

And, there were no sacks. It's better than it has been.

And I'd say we have competency. We can't do everything but we can do some things. Incompetent is what Squirmin Herman Mother****ing Sack of **** Edwards rolled out after he dismantled the "circus offense". **** that bitch.

Run blocking sucks

Spencer Ware averages almost five yards per carry, the Chiefs rush for 238 yards, and the offensive line doesn't allow a sack in 37 pass attempts to the best pass rushing duo in the NFL. Guess it's time to start a thread bitching about the offensive line. :rolleyes:

it's just a conversation please don't come in here and derail the thread.

500 yards of offense and no sacks allowed against a top 3 D and we get this shit ROFL WHAT THE ****???

The weirdest thing is Chiefs have scored 30 per game on Dencer, but struggle with the shit Titan secondary

His point was valid

I know we had a good game guys, I'm not talking shit on the Chiefs. Alex got hit hard many times last, our rb got lit up in the back field by unblocked guys. We've struggled all year to push the ball in from the one yard line. That's what I'm trying to discuss. Don't take this shit so personally, just a discussion is all.

He's got a point. IMO our O line struggles because of youth. Besides Schwartz we've drafted this line in the last four years. 2nd year C and RG and a backup at LG and the starter was a rookie. As these guys mature hopefully they come together as a unit.

You realize Denver is a great defense that usually does that and mych more right?? This point was more valid after last week's game. Line was awesome last night.

Who's taking anything personally? If I've given the impression that I play on the offensive line for the Chiefs, I'm sorry for the misrepresentation.

This thread just seems very ill timed. The offensive line played well last night against a good defense. They've actually played fairly well all season. Spencer Ware is an average NFL running back. If Charles was running behind this line, there would be fewer complaints about the offensive line play.

Yes as you say the o line has struggled overall. This thread isn't exactly crazy to have even last week was the appropriate time to make it.

Oh I trashed them last week, but they all get sucked off after that dominating beat down. What team has ever done that to them in recent years?

oh yeah, that was one of the most fun games I've ever witnessed from the Chiefs, it tanks up there with the beat down of the patriots in recent years.

Both were great, but dayum a beat down of Denver, ENDING their season to boot is just glorious.

on Christmas

Wow, hot take in this one. LMAO

Stop bitching and enjoy the win.

Elway probably left a bunch of horse turds in the toilet for the janitor to take care of.

if you're not going to add anything useful just don't comment. Who is bitching? I'm not bitching at all, I'm trying to have a conversation of the fact that our line let's people through unblocked and the fact we can't rush for one yard on the goal line. Someone said pretty much the answer and it's youth, that makes a lot of sense especially with our guards.

Can we deny this guy from ever stepping foot in arrowhead? Elway is the biggest douche ever

At which point Dorsey will let them walk in FA.

We are leading the league in false starts with 28 if you want to talk about an issue. Seattle second with 25. Ironic since those two teams have home fields doing that to other teams.

This would be something to cleanup that would at least improve the rhythm of the offense.

http://www.nflpenalties.com/penalty/...tart?year=2016

I think the line definitely has room for improvement. Fortunately, one of those improvements is sitting on IR. Ehinger had a pretty good rookie season going before the injury. He struggled with the power rush, but that should improve. He will be able to bulk up this offseason and he got valuable experience before he got hurt. I look to see a pretty dominant left side next season. That would put RG as our weakest point. Not saying that LDT is bad. He's much better than the trash we had out there before him.

That's a few years down the road if it happens but in the mean time Dorsey needs to draft some competition.

One other point about the offensive line. Last night during the game, they mentioned Smith's release as one of the quickest in the NFL at 2.25 seconds. That is what Manning did to mask the shit offensive line in Dungver. Is our line as good as we think it is of is Alex making it look better than it is?

While the chiefs offense can be an issue against good teams that game plan like ne, they actually are a good matchup against a team like Denver.

They don't use their wr as much so tslib and harris don't do as much. Even though andy and Alex have their struggles, it does help negate the pass rush.

was valid, but dude was a bit of an ass about it.

The OL looked to have done a decent job against DEN, to me. Sure.. there were times that Ware had to make his yards on his own. Times where Smith took some crazy quick pressures/hits. That's just gonna happen against that D, and when the KC line is more finesse than brute force.

Not at all a great OL this season, as hoped, but they are also out of the bottom tier for the first time in the Andy era.

West was actually running well when they weren't doing the dumbass draw handoffs.

The O-line will.have it's hands full again next week against the bolts. I hope they can put together a string of games similar to last nights.

Our running backs lack the necessary explosion to blow through the holes when they exist.

West was given a giant hole and only got a couple yards. Jamaal would have made a huge gain.

Fisher is fine.
Morris is fine.
Scwartz has come on lately and is fine.

Our guards are the problem. Fulton is obviously filling in so I think we're okay long-term there with Eingerer and LDT is OK but could be improved upon, but that's just a fan analysis.

This too.

Beat me to it...

I'm not here to berate the op, this line clearly isnt as good as most of us thought it would be this year

But the timing is definitely bad, coming off a blowout win over a top 3 defense in which we surrendered no sacks and had a good running average

The run blocking showed clear improvement last night, they looked physical for the first time in a long time... I was pleased overall

I agree, most teams with 11 Or 12 win seasons Olines usually suck

Smith helps the line but also hurts them.

Having a fast release is helpful, yes. Being the king of dink and dunk and giving the Defenses the luxury of sending a lot of guys without having to worry about a huge play puts extra pressure on them. His fixation of stepping up into the pressure doesn't help, either.

When you don't run a nfl offense you don't need an nfl quality line. The WR really are pretty shitty at blocking. Maclin is a total bust

I think it is safe to say that Donald Stephenson not being a part of the Chiefs offensive line is a good thing.

That was re-confirmed last night.

Funny. Out here in Denver obviously Elway has been praised up and down for the last 4yrs BUT now that he has very little running game and has literally watched his o-line crumble like a house of cards this season, the die hard educated fans and objective sports press out here are now starting to scrutinize his draft picks along the o-line. :D

Yes, and I assure you Elway and Kubiak have learned especially this last half of their season why JD/AR chose to let DS go.:D

there were times last night where Denver had 9 in the box. Nine. It's hard for me to put that on the line.

And why Kelce and Hill have been very productive especially Kelce this last half of the season. I have said all along that especially this last half of our season teams have not respected AS and our passing game and have stacked the box and why our running game almost parallels Denver's run game but the difference lies in the fact that AS has far more experience than Siemian in getting the ball into his playmakers hands.

While there's room for improvement, the line's playing better than it has for years, and it's only going to get better down the road. And there are other issues which make them look worse. Namely playcalling, which has been horrendous all year from a creativity/predictability standpoint, as well as quarterback play - Smith simply doesn't feel or recognize pressure, and often blindly falls right into it if he doesn't either throw the ball to his primary target in 2.25 seconds or take off running - and finally the stable of backup runningbacks that would be fine as short-term fixes but just aren't 20-carry starting material. We need another starter, Ware needs to split time with him rather than be featured and West needs to be third string.

That's my take at least. And I think guard will be shored up long term once Ehinger is healthy and more seasoned. The line as a whole is a young group that should be even more solid in 17 and moving forward. The other issues will probably remain frustratingly the same.

There always being a lot of guys in the box is a good point. It was like that last year as well and we did better. Smith helps the o line pass blocking stats, not so much the run game.

The line is undersized for smashmouth IMO. Andy likes smaller quicker guys that can get out in space for his WC offense. You dont see guts on our line and teams can bull rush us plowing out undersized center and guards.

They're not great , but they sure are capable. And this is after being tested by some of the best defensive lines/pass rushers in the league

What constitutes undersized? Morse is our lightest OL at 305 lbs. Fish and Fulton are both 315 and Schwartz and Tardif are 320.

Pretty much Tim Grunhards on Frank Boals show after the titans game and also on 810 am.

I dont buy the 305 on Morse he looks small.

He's 6'6" maybe that hurts him a little.

Remember the John Alt days and the 02-05 line !!:drool:

That 2005 line made Ray Ray cry for mercy Roaf, Shields, Weigman, Waters and Black-Welbourn.

Alt man I loved that guy a true warrior with the chronic back he still was one of thes best. If that back hadnt of had problems he most likely would be up with the greats like Roaf.

04, I remember that Monday night game. Lewis literally was scared, I loved it !!!

Grunhart said its a mentality that you just got to get low and drive no matter how it hurts he went on to say look at me and stood up I was never a big guy. He really kind of called Morse out.

You dad gum right it is a mentality. I don't care how athletically talented you are IF you don't play football with a "PISS and VINEGAR" mindset you will minimize your production greatly on top of getting hurt.

except for Ehringer was shit before Fulton took over

so much so that Fulton felt like an upgrade


Maybe Ehringer will be better once he gets stronger but we can't count on him yet.


I still have doubts about Andy Heck.

Our Dline seems to underperform too imo

Our Head coach is soft so that reflect most in the trenches where toughness is needed the most.

Lol

Any lineman smaller than any other lineman in the league.

Are you new here?

Some people will never be happy, no matter how well the Chiefs do or how big the win. I feel sorry for them, they can't enjoy success.

Don't want to jinx anything but imagine how clay would feel if we won? Couldn't enjoy his team win a sb because of his ego. That would just be sad.

I'm extremely happy and have been enjoying this win all day

You live in fantasy land

Either that or you don't know jackshit about offensive lineman.

It's probably both.

Amazing how you ignored my post showing you how much better we are with Ehinger last time this was discussed..

Undersized? Guts? WTF are you talking about?

Yes without a doubt! LMAO




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What? The WCO isn't an NFL offense? Don't tell Bill Walsh that.

Link?

I must have missed that one and it's tough for me to believe our OL wenr to shit running blocking when we lost a rookie guard.

My guess on what he's saying is.. the Chiefs' OL lacks grit. You know.. road-grading, uproot u off your spot and put u in the dirt kind of grit.

More times than not.. if this is what he means.. he is correct.

Last game, I think we saw an OL with more grit than we had seen in recent weeks prior. I think they are capable.. but highly inconsistent in their mentality.. and therefore.. efforts. They often play a finesse game, and don't maul their assignments with force.

I think this was the message finally getting through to them.. and they brought it much better. We'll see if it continues on a more regular basis.

You are literally the only poster on this board that thinks that Fulton is playing better than Ehinger was. He did struggle a bit early on, but he was improving every week. And there is no doubt that the running game has not been the same since he got injured. But I guess that the entire board is wrong about him and that you alone have this right. SMH. I would like to see the PFF stats on week by week grades for Ehinger and Fulton for the entire season. I'm confident that they would prove what the rest of us see. With Clay gone, who else does the PFF stats?

Fun Fact: # of sacks is down 40% from 2015
We rank 13th this year in sack rate, we were 27th in 2015.

That's money well spent.

Dorsey, baby!

All the O-line does is win. 21-4 in the last 25.

Grunhardt small lol. Weigman was a bit small.

He's dead af

Now that's an offensive line

Yeah, but his NFL offense is still alive.

Why? If PFF doesn't say what you want them to say you will just ignore it or say that PFF sucks.