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Patrick Mahomes
I am so high on this kid right now, and it says a lot bc I'm terrified of taking a Big 12 QB (they never work out) but Jesus Christ is this kid impressive as hell. He looks just as good as any QB in this class bar none.
Let's review: -above average size/build (6'3" 230 lbs) -above average mobility -elite arm...his dad played for the Twins so it's in his genes. -solid accuracy -set a lot of passing records -smart kid -only 21 years old Watch this kid play. Seriously. He's got arm talent that can remind people of the same talent Aaron Rodgers had as a prospect. Not just arm strength but a quick release. This guy looks like the next Russell Wilson/Dak Prescott and he would be a great fit here. |
I don't know what exactly his NFL comparison is yet. All I know is that I really, really like the kid. He's got so much going for him.
The thing going against him, goddamn it, is the terrible track record of air raid QBs in the NFL. That does scare me. It's early, but right now I'd burn a 3rd on him. Maybe a 2nd. |
If we can't get Kizer...I'm on the Mahomes train.
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I'm not worried about the Air Raid offense for this team. Andy has spread principles all over the place and has basically made the spread offense a huge part of his offense to accommodate Alex.
It's set up for him |
What's the best QB in an air raid-esque offense we've seen the past few years?
Case Keenum? |
He's really really raw. Coming from that offense, he's atleast a year away. Maybe 2.
I'd throw a 2nd on him but man, tough sell for me |
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Ideal size, canon for an arm, smart, gutsy player. Yes, he needs at least a full year of development (if not 2) but well worth the risk and waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay ahead of Paxton Lynch, IMO. Draft him in 2017, sit him all year, let him compete in 2018. If all works well, he could take over mid-season 2018 or at the latest, 2019. |
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I'm not taking a guy in the first thay could potentially need 2 years before he's ready to play. You're losing 2 years of value on the guy, then only have 3 years before you have to pay him. |
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If you develop him and he lands, then you've got a franchise guy for 10-15 years. Thats worth the time investment, unless he goes Full Paxton Lynch out of the gate. Hard to believe the Chiefs reportedly wanted that guy... |
Seems like great value for the 32nd pick!
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.the problem is, with a rookie qbs contract, you're afforded a huge bonus to build the team around him because he's cheap for 5 years. If they guy isn't gonna play for 2 of the 5, or atleast be the starter, your losing 40% of the value to the rest of the team building. 1 year Id think would be applicable, but 2 years is tough. Then you've got to make a decision to pay him as a franchise qb at some point, and you're not gonna do that after seeing him play 1 full year, so you'd have to do it after 2, or with the 5th year option, 3. I'm not totally against it as you've said, the big reward is a franchise qb. But from a value standpoint, 2 years is tough |
On second thought though, due to the 5th year ootion, if they're gonna take him, do it in the first.
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This kid is not Dak Prescott.
Bust. Allergic to the pocket and throws off his back foot too often. Annoying tip-offs to his delivery as well, as he is a "tapper". He is more along the Terrelle Pryor line than a Prescott. |
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Having the 5th year option on a guy that's potentially a Franchise QB is worth its weight in gold. But if Dorsey & Reid pass on him, it's all good. Josh Norris has done a good job illustrating how much development Mahomes needs, so getting him in the first might be a real reach. |
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If you think he's your guy do whatever it takes to make him successful over the long term. Rams caught a lot of hell for sitting him, but if he's the guy and he needs to sit, sit him. Fisher was a joke, but he was making the right call if the kid wasn't ready. Now, if the kid sucks, that's bad news, but if he needs to sit, sit him, no matter where he was drafted. |
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I think Mahomes has the skills to be a franchise guy. That being said, the Chiefs will probably draft a gaurd. :( |
I've been waiting for Lance Zierlein's nfl.com scouting report for Mahomes a few weeks now and he's finally posted it. I know the Cutler comparison seems off but I think Zierlein is looking at confidence, arm talent and aggressiveness vs some questionable decision making at times and not necessarily saying Cutler is Mahomes' potential bar. FWIW Zierlein has Mahomes ranked 3rd among QB's behind Trubisky and Watson.
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^ sounds like a slower Colin Kaepernick.
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sounds like Bret Favre.
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Even if he is Kap ( I dont' think he is, I don't really care for that comparison, but w/e), the Chiefs have a great coaching staff to coach up young players.
I think Kap would have been much better had the 9er FO not been horrible and kept Harbs around. |
If they like him they need to take him in 1st round and not dick around. If he is considered a 2nd rounder then taking him at 27 is not a stretch if he may not be there at 54.
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With the 5th year option, it's imperative to get a good player in the first. A QB turning into a franchise guy taken there would be nice.
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Nobody ever seems to put blame on the teams when qbs fail. Those qbs that failed in Cleveland had no chance to succeed. And the fact that they don't achieve when they leave is arrested development more so than lack of talent. KC is the best situation for a rookie qb since pitt took ben. The chiefs have enough leadership and talent to have a young qb develop.
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I brought it up in another thread recently. The young Qb's to end up being successful are on good teams with good leadership. Amazing how these things work out. |
There is a lot to like about the guy but his lack of proper mechanics and horrible foot work is a lot to overcome.
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Damnit.
I have such high hopes he is there at 27. Why do I do this to myself. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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From reading the reviews by lance id say more Brett Favre than Cutler. Just know he could frustrate you but wouldn't it be great to have a QB that could take the team on his back and win games. Last time we had that was Green or Montana or Gannon.
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Bucky Brooks had some things to say about Mahomes in the Move The Sticks notebook...
Spoiler!
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Lol KnowMo is so scared of the possibility that the Chiefs draft a QB this year.
I've never seen him this active on DP. |
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Might be an issue for Elway, but it hasn't been for Dorsey :) |
I'm not sold.
Before i read anything on the guy i watched his highlights to see if my opinion matches what scouts are saying. My initial reaction was that i've never seen a highlight package so full of throws in which the QB's feet are parallel to the horizontal field markers. He torques his body quite a bit in his throws and that's good, but damn, his footwork is all over the place. It's not something you see in a successful NFL QB. There were about 2-3 plays in there in which it looked like he immediately panicked after his 1st read wasn't open. He was dancing in a clean pocket. The kind of shit we grill Alex Smith for, only worse. That was what i found to be most alarming about it. With that said, it WAS a highlight film i was watching. So despite what i just mentioned, he still made big plays. His mechanics look piss ass imo. Year after year we see QB's with piss ass mechanics fizzle out in the NFL. But maybe you could argue that he has that "IT" factor. Despite some of the worst mechanics i can remember, the guy made plays. |
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pat Mahomes has a unique delivery. Steps in bucket with front foot, cross body throwing motion, no torso movement or weight transfer. <a href="https://t.co/2qbKudoH8Y">pic.twitter.com/2qbKudoH8Y</a></p>— Daniel Jeremiah (@MoveTheSticks) <a href="https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status/833546870441996288">February 20, 2017</a></blockquote>
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I've seen him use core torque plenty when he needs to drive the football or go deep. Hell, all you need to do to see it is watch one of his highlight videos, much less a full game. The kid needs work on his footwork, but to bring into question everything the kid does is absolutely idiotic. This is a "scout" being about as dumb as one can be. |
Someone else had a similar criticism and DJ responded to it...
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/CPBoomer77">@CPBoomer77</a> He does the same thing in a perfect pocket all the time. He is as raw as a 3 dollar steak.</p>— Daniel Jeremiah (@MoveTheSticks) <a href="https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status/833587893058752512">February 20, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
Totally agree with Jeremiah. Too raw. Other teams should stay away so he falls to us. :D
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Mahomes has mechanical flaws. But those are correctable. That's why you bring in Romo and draft he or Kizer.
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Most plays will occur in under 3 seconds. In that time, the QB is reading a defense, reading his receivers and deciding where to go with the ball. When it comes to throwing the ball, he'll revert to his natural instincts. I can't recall a time when someone has said, "Hey we can fix his mechanics" and have it actually work out. He's been throwing that way all his life. It's muscle memory at this point. |
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He's gonna throw a lot of picks in the NFL...but he will also make a lot of big plays.
With good coaching limiting the mistakes, the kid could be a serious player. |
From DJ's "Ask Five"
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Mike Kaye @mike_e_kaye
I feel like Andy Reid probably loves Patrick Mahomes. A lot of young Donovan McNabb to him in my opinion. This guy is the new beat writer for the Jags. Was in Philly for a while before that. |
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ANYTHING to rid this team of the Journeyman. |
Problem is if he does well at combine he won't be there at 27
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mayock: The more I watch <a href="https://twitter.com/TexasTechFB">@TexasTechFB</a>'s Patrick Mahomes, the more I'm pushing him toward first round.</p>— CollegeFootball 24/7 (@NFL_CFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/NFL_CFB/status/836281081900892160">February 27, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Chiefs ain't drafting shit. More Broke-dick and Bray.
Same as it ever was... |
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A well respected QB coach for decades in the NFL told me Mahomes has the best arm talent since Brett Favre. Raw & not ready but worth it!</p>— Pat Kirwan (@PatKirwanRFN) <a href="https://twitter.com/PatKirwanRFN/status/836551886211792896">February 28, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Yesssssss please!
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It's combine week. As draft evaluators look at Patrick Mahomes, the Texas Tech QB has a message for the NFL.<a href="https://t.co/eedMhEVBpL">https://t.co/eedMhEVBpL</a> <a href="https://t.co/IqFx1zgJpI">pic.twitter.com/IqFx1zgJpI</a></p>— The MMQB (@theMMQB) <a href="https://twitter.com/theMMQB/status/836973969106432002">March 1, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It's combine week. As draft evaluators look at Patrick Mahomes, the Texas Tech QB has a message for the NFL.<a href="https://t.co/eedMhEVBpL">https://t.co/eedMhEVBpL</a> <a href="https://t.co/IqFx1zgJpI">pic.twitter.com/IqFx1zgJpI</a></p>— The MMQB (@theMMQB) <a href="https://twitter.com/theMMQB/status/836973969106432002">March 1, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
My #1 QB that I want.
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Too "arrogant" for KC/Lil' Chiefy Dumbshit Smith-Lover.
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measurements coming in...
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Much bigger. |
Trump has bigger hands.
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Wow. Never really looked up his size or anything, but I assumed he was around 6'4. At least this won't improve his stock
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Prescott 6 2 226
Mahomes 6 2 225 Id say he's right size. Please for the love of god draft this kid he is within reach with some moving up. |
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Mahomes 9 2/8 Not a deal breaker for me. But teams take that into account |
Not worried about hand size.
The guy can spin it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Pat Kirwan A well respected QB coach for decades in the NFL told me Mahomes has the best arm talent since Brett Favre. Raw & not ready but worth it! I'm all in on him if we have a chance |
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Does he drink a glass of water with both hands?
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At the Combine today Mayoc showed some tape on Mahomes where he made a side-arm, off balance throw to a receiiver in the EZ about 35 - 40 yards down the field where he hit his receiver in the hands right over a defenders out stretched hands, and Mahomes made the play on the run.
I gotta admit he's an incredible talent but a HC would have to have a lot of latitude to turn a guy like that lose on the field to do his thing. Could Reid be that kind of coach ? |
I don't have ESPN Insider, but before the article got cut off Kiper mentioned that Mahomes could be available in the 2nd or 3rd round...
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