John Dorsey reportedly candidate for Packers GM
 

Yeah, that would suck pretty ****ing hard.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...gn=Twitter_atn

He is going to stay a Chief he has a GM job and he seems happy so why would he want to move on. Plus we are knocking down the door for a Super Bowl. **** maybe building something of a dynasty?

Ugh! Man I hope he stays here, but if there is anything at all to this story, them blocking Ballard from interviewing with the 49ers would make sense because Ballard could be the man they want to replace Dorsey. But why would Clark not already have extended him? Was this the plan all along? Was Dorsey promised that he would be free to leave for Green Bay when the GM spot came open? After all, he had turned down GM offers before. Maybe that was what it took to get him to take this one.

Wouldn't lose a single second of sleep over it.

Chris Ballard is arguably the best future GM there is and there's potential that the Chiefs could upgrade if he were to take the top job. There isn't a losing situation for the Chiefs here.

Is this why Ballard didn't interview with the 49ers?


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No. The 49ers are a dogshit franchise.

Am I crazy for thinking that this is total bullshit?

This would be a lateral move. Would John Dorsey do that?

Holy ****ing shit -- is that why we denied 49ers access to Chris Ballard???

There is truly no justice in the NFL if this happens.

Yeah they blocked Tampa Bay awhile ago because they seen this day coming!

Good ****ing god

Possibly.

According to reports, Ballard was the Niners "1st, 2nd and 3rd choice".

KC denied SF permission to interview him, knowing they would lose him.

There just truly is no justice of Dorsey lands this.

I don't mind our assistants getting promoted. I don't mind upward mobility in a football franchise. But when your GM potentially leaves for the exact same job somewhere else simply because it's more prestigious?

C'mon Clark. Close this deal. Lock Dorsey up.

Christ, teaming up Dorsey with Aaron Rodgers... The Pack would have a shot at 19-0 within 4 years.

Ballard is the top GM candidate in the league right now.

I wouldn't be concerned in the slightest if he took the job.

He actually built this team, i would think he would want to stick around and see it through rather than take over a team someone else built.

Maybe Ballard is the genius and Dorsey is just a guy....

Dorsey's wife is from Kansas so she would have to sign off on this. It doesn't seem like something Dorsey would do though.

Scott Pioli was the top GM candidate in the league, too. You don't **** with success.

Back the ****ing Brinks truck up.

That's not wishful thinking, at all, is it?

I think I've heard this before with some dude named Pioli...hmmmm.



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Bingo

I'd prefer not to **** with success.

Let's keep the band together

Replace Ballard with Pioli & tell me your thoughts.




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Just a hunch, but I'm pretty confident that Ballard has had a role in this success.

At Dorsey's introductory press conference in 2013, he said to be the GM of the Chiefs had been his dream job since 1993 when he met his wife is the KC area.

End your post with ...... It creates an inpenetrable gray area where wishful thinking is safe.

I'm sure he's played a role, but I'd just prefer we keep this train rolling.

Pay that man his money...

He isn't going anywhere, but it's fun to watch posters shoot their tampons across the room.

There was quite a few people that didn't want Pioli when they hired him.

Posts like this always crack me up. Like you or anyone on this board know what type of guy he is or how he would feel about it.

I wish someone would teabag Rapaport. Instead of the playoff game I get to read about endless speculation of us losing our GM.

Ah yes, Chris Ballard is also a psychopath. Tight.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2017/1...didate-uh-what

Visit the Reid extension thread. Lots of bleeding in there already. Usual suspects didn't disappoint...

Oh my god, this. A thousand times this.

Fixed so you can see what a dumbass you are, you never ever in any facet of business let a top performer leave for an unknown. Whatever you think of Chris Ballard is the same opinion every single fan and NFL front office had on Pioli, everyone knew "there wasn't losing situation for the Chiefs" if they could just land the executive of the year. How'd that work out pumpkin? Can you logic? Can you understand that the situation is the exact same and yet you seem to have learned nothing from the past? Do you understand that it's quite likely Dorsey=Belichick and Ballard=Pioli?

Enjoy not losing any sleep, bet you were out like a light when Cassel and Fat Scott rolled into town to sing you their beautiful swan song.

What kind of playoff team GM's itself to success and then LOSES THEIR GM.

I get losing assistants and shit, but losing their own ****ing GM? Kill me now.

We keep Dorsey/Reid, and we're in a Super Bowl within the next four years. We can't lose him.

seriously, after emerging from the Fat Scott Pats Fraud era of Chiefs football. Where the coaching, GMing, roster moves, attracting good FAs, creating depth, developing players was COMPLETELY BOTTOM OF THE BARREL TERRIBLE. Oh and the fact that there were employee lawsuits on the administrative side of the franchise AND a MURDER SUICIDE... you would think, that we would want to keep this current success of Chiefs football as long as possible, and clearly the man behind it is Dorsey

From Pioli to Dorsey has been night and day and to even think an understudy can replicate that no matter how hot of a commodity they are is not something I want to chance.

It's literally like saying well the guy under Belichick, if we lose BB, we will be okay because we have _______ and he's getting interviews around the league. (Whoever that guy is, nobody knows or cares because he's a literal puppet, I know who he is, but its literally the Pioli role under BB, just a guy who follows BB's decisions)

Has a GM/executive that replaced a high profile GM ever continued the success? Who followed Polian in Buffalo and Indy? They were clearly terrible. Ryan Grigson is one of them, he is hot garbage, single handily ruined a franchise.

The difference here is that Ballard has worked with Dorsey/Reid for the last 4 years. He's far from an unknown, and if we're blocking him from interviewing for jobs in which he's the "1st, 2nd and 3rd choice" then I think he'd pretty well regarded in the building.

It's comical to see people flip shit over losing Dorsey who has become GM Jesus around here, but that it would be this massive downgrade to replace Dorsey with the guy who supplies him with the majority of the data used to make decisions.

Not gonna hit the panic button yet but it would be so Chiefs.

Beat you to it but great minds....

LMAO

Some of you are really, really dumb. How do you know, in your own scenario, that Ballard isn't actually "Tom Brady" and "Belichick" is just riding off his work?

Oh yeah, you don't ****ing know.

If Dorsey leaves, I have no doubt it was because he was going to go to Green Bay no matter what, regardless of the contract.

I'd be shocked if Clark Hunt didn't roll out the red carpet to keep him there.

It's just a really unusual situation where Dorsey has everything he wants, but he could be offered a job with a team that would also give him everything he wants. Both teams have a good roster, good front office, a good and patient owner, and a head coach he'd love to work with. I don't think he's going anywhere but I have confidence it won't be because the Chiefs didn't give him an outstanding offer.

This is so easy it hurts...

Hunt isn't Jerry Jones. He allows his GM/coach to run the franchise and doesn't interfere. He was willing once before to pay the man what it took to get him, and he'll do it again. He can't change what's in a man's heart, but you can damn sure bet he'll pay whatever it takes to keep him.

Because Chiefs.

I mean really, some of you are hilarious LMAO

"**** Dorsey get him out! Oh **** he's gonna leave for GREEN BAY!!!!!!!1@1!!!!!!!!"
"Andy Reid liks dik!!!!! We're number 2 seed Andy needs an extension!!!!!!!!!!!!"

You're arguing that it can only end in aids because oh em gee Scott Pioli! I mean ignore that the entire Patriots tree is aids and in no way represents the entire league but OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The whole thing is clickbait speculation to start and good god abort yourselves. Instead of flipping the **** out, maybe get excited that Ballard may not have the same love for our tinyhands QB that Dorsey does and would replace the ****er.

LMAO

Can't imagine all the work he'd have to put in to pry his wife from Kansas.

Your brain is amazing, so "won't lose sleep" and "replacing with guy who feeds him all info" are OK to post as statements. And now "we just don't know"?

You just made my point for me: Current proven leader and winner with virtually zero F-ups with tons of scrap heap wins, draft wins, FA wins, and virtually nothing negative in 4 years. You absolutely do not replace that unless you have to with an "unknown", "unknowns" lead to scouting candy wrappers instead of QBs.

You're right. Making yourself look stupid is so easy it must hurt.

If you can't see the difference between hiring an outsider with a "reputation" versus a guy who has worked in the building for 4 years and supplied Dorsey with 90+% of the data that he used to make decisions, then I can't help you.

And people think I'm negative. Holy shit, the amount of vaginal bleeding in this thread is off the charts. If Dorsey wants to be here, and Clark wants him here, he'll sign an extension.

If Dorsey doesn't want to be here, or Clark prefers Ballard, he won't.

I'm confident that the organization won't miss a beat if Dorsey was to leave.

Haha no, you have no point. You're ****ing stupid.

Hunt has simply got to find a way to retain Dorsey by any means necessary. Ether rag him and tie him up down in the basement of Arrowhead if need be.

The Chiefs know this is coming. That's why they refused to give Chris Ballard permission to talk to several teams about their open GM positions.

That's pretty rare in the NFL to block someone from taking a clearly better position. Unless some assurances have been made to Chris that the GM job is yours when Dorsey leaves. Then it makes sense.

So rare they did it not long ago when Tampa called!

The timing on this article sucks. I wake up in a good mood hoping to read something good on the upcoming Chiefs playoff game. Now I wish the reporter who stirred this up would get tossed from the highest of buildings.

Thanks for responding to "Can you logic?" in such a clear and concise manner.

No coincidence of the timing, I'm sure. Even thought its a ,"kinda-maybe-possibly" story, distractions are not needed now...:shake:

The fact remains, while Ballard is a big part of the decision process, Dorsey has made the final decisions, and while Ballard is highly thought of in the building, he is an unproven commodity.

There is no wrong answer here.
You do what can if you are Hunt to retain the man that has done an outstanding job of team building, and if you can't get it done, you let the chips fall where they may and hope for the best.

tampa, SF or 10 other teams doesn't matter, they are blocking one guy from upper mobility in his career. That's the "rare" part. The fact that he is still with the Chiefs tells us that he has received assurances that they are not holding him back but want you for the GM position with the Chiefs when Dorsey leaves.

Welp.

I say they dump Dorsey and Reid both after this season and bring in some guys that will cut Alex and draft a QB in the first round so we can finally get this team on the right track and start winning games the right way.

WHO'S WITH ME?????

Dinny

This stuff should really be held off until the season is over.

Agreed, I would also say I'm a little pissed off that Clark allowed this situation to happen period. You find someone like Dorsey and you lock that shit down as long as you can. If Dorsey faps to Green and Gold on a nightly basis then fine nothing can be done about that, otherwise that man does not leave town.

I hope NOBODY that COUNTS!!!!!

Your ass is showing.

I'm with you. It doesn't sound like you're saying Ballard sucks. You're saying there's at least some risk. I agree.

We'd be moving from a known outstanding GM to an unknown who has outstanding potential. That's a high bar. And there is still a possibility that he doesn't end up great. Countless examples of all-world personnel guys who ended up mediocre in another chair. In Ballard's defense, unlike Patriots cronies, Ballard was successful in several organizations. But one thing that does concern me a little... if Dorsey hit the market, he'd be on every team's top 2. Ballard's been on the market for a few years, and there are 3 good opportunities (Chicago, Tennessee, Tampa) where he was passed on. Actually, many believe Ballard wasn't hired in Chicago because he was part of a regime that left that team a mess. So yeah... I won't lose sleep if he's our guy, but i'd really prefer not to risk something that's going so well.

If the Chiefs were trying to preserve Ballard because they knew Dorsey was jetting, they wouldn't of let him interview for the Bears job. It's easier for the Chiefs to say no for him when he doesn't want to tell a franchise he doesn't want their shitty job.

You guys are grasping at shit.

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Between you and OTW it's like Idiot Day and the parade marches straight through CP.

You're welcome.

You can bring up Scott Pioli until your dick falls off, but the comparison doesn't work. There's risk even if Dorsey stays and in result Ballard leaves.

You're fear mongering over bullshit speculation.

He maybe unproven to fans who don't know/understand the role of a Director of Player Personnel, but he's certainly not unproven to those in the building.

Dorsey may end up signing an extension. But you have to admit, there's a ton of smoke here. It seems odd to me that it's gotten this late in the process.

There wasn't any talk of the Packers job being open when Ballard interviewed for the Bears job last year. And from what I've read, Ballard didn't want the Bears job and was extremely critical of the organization in his interview.

This is not a rumor... it's a connect the dots report.

Dorsey will have a contact extension with Reid this off season.

Well this sucks. I can't believe he doesn't have the same contract length as Reid.

You're too negative, they said. Never say anything positive about the organization, they said.

Now I'm an idiot for thinking the organization is in fine shape should this report come to pass.

and that would be a good thing. Allow Ballard to take another job. He becomes successful. Dorsey and Reid leave in 5 years, we bring Ballard back.:)

To me, this is just a leverage play by Dorsey's agent.

Sorry, OT, but he is a proven commodity in his current role, but that still doesn't prove that he can succeed with the role he would be promoted to.

Ballard himself has declined interviews because he wanted to stay in Kansas City because of the stability it has brought his family. His kids are in high school I believe.

This isn't the Chiefs holding him back, nor do I think it's Dorsey knowing he's going to Green Bay.

Now there's risk? What happened to not losing a second's sleep about it?

You're my favorite type of brilliance, what step are we on now? Been through denial, anger, and it appears we've almost reached acceptance. You're almost there buddy. Is amends around the corner?

No parallels to Pioli? Did NE have a proven winner and boss? Did they stick with the proven winner and boss? Did they let the underling leave even though there was "risk"? Did they win a super bowl? Does proven always beat unproven? Do you have anything but name calling left to offer?

i thought it was public knowledge that they had refused to allow teams to talk to Ballard?

This

And this

This is true. It would be stupid for the Chiefs to let Dorsey leave because they "think" they have his replacement in place already within the organization. He may be, he may not be.