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TribalElder 01-15-2017 10:30 PM

The hold that took away our 2 point conversion
 
Happens to Tamba Hali and never gets called

rockymtnchief 01-15-2017 10:32 PM

You mean the "Clady clutch"?

Fish 01-15-2017 10:34 PM

https://media.giphy.com/media/11Z4zciA8ISJhu/giphy.gif

petegz28 01-15-2017 10:35 PM

That was decided before the ball was snapped.....Baldinger just going off about how bad of a call it was

KC_Lee 01-15-2017 10:35 PM

Smells like the fix was in to me.

kcpasco 01-15-2017 10:36 PM

Trolls will defend that BS. But that was the most blatant favoritism I've ever seen.

dec 01-15-2017 10:37 PM

They could have called that on just about any play. I don't know. May be done with the nfl

InChiefsHeaven 01-15-2017 10:37 PM

No, it's because Chiefs

Chiefs4TheWin 01-15-2017 10:38 PM

IT's the Steelers.. what the hell were you expecting.

Easy 6 01-15-2017 10:39 PM

It was clearly a hold, but that doesn't excuse the fact that Pitt got away with it the entire mother****ing game... and they weren't called for it ONE time

NJChiefsFan 01-15-2017 10:39 PM

Good thing the refs made the chiefs offense disappear for 85% of the game.

petegz28 01-15-2017 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dec (Post 12688981)
They could have called that on just about any play. I don't know. May be done with the nfl

It wasn't a hold. He didn't impede him and it had 0 effect on the play. It happened all game long on both sides of the ball. To call it then says it was rigged BS.

Chief Northman 01-15-2017 10:39 PM

Probably a penalty, but rarely gets called especially given the situation.

jspchief 01-15-2017 10:40 PM

I could list 1 million reasons why the Chiefs lost and refs still wouldn't make the list.

petegz28 01-15-2017 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 12688999)
It was clearly a hold, but that doesn't excuse the fact that Pitt got away with it the entire mother****ing game... and they weren't called for it ONE time

It was not a hold. Go watch 99.9% of Hali's pass rushes. It was not a hold.

-King- 01-15-2017 10:40 PM

It was a hold.
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kcpasco 01-15-2017 10:41 PM

It wasn't a penalty

KranzDictum 01-15-2017 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fish (Post 12688954)

Broncos 2nd overall pick in the draft wins us a SB.

kc's 1st overall pick costs you guys a Division round game.

That must hurt.

'Hamas' Jenkins 01-15-2017 10:42 PM

Must have been why they also took the two pointer off the board against the Chiefs in Denver, or why they called back Berry's 2 pt return against Atlanta, or his TD return against Carolina.

Refs are always looking for ways to **** the Chiefs, which is why they had 109 penalties called against them, and 109 for them.

FTR, the Cowboys had 90 penalties called in benefit of them, and the three teams that were beneficiaries of the most penalty calls were the perennial referee favorites Detroit, Tennessee, and Houston.

mr. tegu 01-15-2017 10:42 PM

Maybe Fisher shouldn't have let himself get beat instantaneously.

Chiefnj2 01-15-2017 10:42 PM

I don't have a problem with the call, if they call it consistently.
If you leave the game in the hands of the officials, be prepared to bend over and grab your ankles.

RINGLEADER 01-15-2017 10:42 PM

It could be called a hold. Seen worst never called.

Reminds me of the 2003 Tony Gonzalez PI call.

cdcox 01-15-2017 10:43 PM

If Clarkbar cared, he would gather 200 pictures of Tamba Hali getting the same type of block with no holding being and post them in a continuous twitter feed over the next week. But $, so he won't. I watched 50% less football this year than last year. Mostly Chiefs games. Seriously questioning my sanity for continuing to follow the NFL at all.

Rain Man 01-15-2017 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 12689008)
It wasn't a hold. He didn't impede him and it had 0 effect on the play. It happened all game long on both sides of the ball. To call it then says it was rigged BS.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Northman (Post 12689010)
Probably a penalty, but rarely gets called especially given the situation.

That's the thing. On a critical play in the playoffs, you call a penalty to take the game-tying points off the board when the "penalty" had no remote outcome on the play? The Steelers were holding on the interior line the entire game and the refs had clearly made the decision to "let them play" without calling holding. And then suddenly on a critical play they decide to enforce the rule to the letter in a situtation that had no impact at all on the outcome?

And it wasn't a hold. Harrison was slipping and falling.

Stryker 01-15-2017 10:44 PM

With the first pick in the NFL draft the Kansas City Chiefs select...Eric Fisher!!!

Red Dawg 01-15-2017 10:44 PM

We tied tied the game despite a crap run defense and crap offense. The NFL decided it wanted Ben and Brady. It's that simple. Harrison had no chance to get Smith but they called it any way. There will be no chance unless we get marquee players. It not by happenstances they are on the teams in the big dance every year.

KranzDictum 01-15-2017 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcpasco (Post 12689039)
It wasn't a penalty

It was a hold, arm barred him and took him to the ground and bent him back, it was a foul. I will say that most times in those situations they don't call it. Have seen Von get taken down like that a lot and it won't get called.

The bigger play that hurt was the drop by "gronk" and alex missing at least 2 deep TD passes.

WilliamTheIrish 01-15-2017 10:46 PM

"Rigged" LMAO

KChiefs1 01-15-2017 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fish (Post 12688954)



His legacy has been made.




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Rain Man 01-15-2017 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RINGLEADER (Post 12689055)
It could be called a hold. Seen worst never called.

Reminds me of the 2003 Tony Gonzalez PI call.

It reminds me of the Dave Szott holding call against Miami in the playoffs.

http://articles.latimes.com/1991-01-...fourth-quarter

The Chiefs went to work after the kickoff from their 22 and made it to the Miami 26 at the two-minute warning. On first down, Okoye plowed up the middle for 12 additional yards, but the play was nullified by a holding call on Kansas City guard David Szott.

"Imagine that, the only holding penalty called in the game," Lowery said. "Isn't that interesting."

Pushed back to the 37, the Chiefs gained only three more yards before calling on Lowery for the game-deciding kick.

"You see the ball falling short and you see the season just going away from you," Hackett, said. "It's too bad. . . . I think this team deserves more than what we reached."

dtekc232 01-15-2017 10:47 PM

i dont think he had his arm more of he was inside the breastplate could be wrong someone help out with a picture would be nice...but i coach offensive line in highschool for the last 5 years (i know its not the same as nfl) but thats what i teach to do in that situation you keep a hand in the breastplate and one on the hip and drive up the field...that hand on the hip keeps the linemen from spinning back or coming back underneath

cdcox 01-15-2017 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KranzDictum (Post 12689083)
It was a hold, arm barred him and took him to the ground and bent him back, it was a foul. I will say that most times in those situations they don't call it. Have seen Von get taken down like that a lot and it won't get called.

If the NFL usually doesn't call it -- and it doesn't -- it is total BS to call it in that situation.

Iconic 01-15-2017 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 12689046)
I don't have a problem with the call, if they call it consistently.

Basically this.
They call it so irregularly that for them to call it on the most important play of the game is pure bullshit.

Dave Lane 01-15-2017 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 12689023)
It was a hold.
Posted via Mobile Device

No shit. Homers WTF?!?!

Opoponax 01-15-2017 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 12689044)
Maybe Fisher shouldn't have let himself get beat instantaneously.

Yeah, that's sure what it looked like. It was a hold, no doubt about it. The Steelers line got away with some shit, no doubt about that either.

But 16 points against the Steelers D after they were held to 6 field goals? That's why they went one and done.

KChiefs1 01-15-2017 10:49 PM

The hold that took away our 2 point conversion
 
The thing that is really heartbreaking is that he didn't even need to block him.

The play was to the right side....



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EPodolak 01-15-2017 10:49 PM

I predict this thread leads to spousal abuse and road rage tomorrow.

ChiTown 01-15-2017 10:50 PM

It was absolutely a hold, and it was an obviously one that help spring the play

TribalElder 01-15-2017 10:50 PM

Eric "wardrum" Fisher

TimBone 01-15-2017 10:50 PM

OP is very true, but that play is not what lost the Chiefs the game. As Jspchief mentioned, the refs were waaaaay down on the list of faults for the Chiefs loss tonight.

cdcox 01-15-2017 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 12689147)
No shit. Homers WTF?!?!

It was a hold that usually isn't called 9 times out of 10.

petegz28 01-15-2017 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TimBone (Post 12689181)
OP is very true, but that play is not what lost the Chiefs the game. As Jspchief mentioned, the refs were waaaaay down on the list of faults for the Chiefs loss tonight.

It didn't lose us the game but it sure kept us from winning it...

Dr. Gigglepants 01-15-2017 10:51 PM

http://video.nfl.com/films/2016/NFL_...5550_5000k.mp4


Garbage call

dec 01-15-2017 10:52 PM

No. It was a shit call and you guys know it

KChiefs1 01-15-2017 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 12689177)
It was absolutely a hold, and it was an obviously one that help spring the play



Didn't spring anything.



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tk13 01-15-2017 10:53 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Travis Kelce on Eric Fisher&#39;s hold: &quot;That was horseshit.&quot; Said ref who called it &quot;shouldn&#39;t even be able to work at Foot Locker.&quot;</p>&mdash; Sam Mellinger (@mellinger) <a href="https://twitter.com/mellinger/status/820852991758573893">January 16, 2017</a></blockquote>
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GoShox 01-15-2017 10:53 PM

I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I've always laughed at the posts here calling the Broncos Super Bowl last year the "Super Farce" and saying that the refs gave it to them. But man.. The biggest play of the game and they call it? After years of seeing Tamba get held in chokeholds and it never being called, they call it in the biggest play of a playoff game?

I don't know man...

siberian khatru 01-15-2017 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 12689117)
It reminds me of the Dave Szott holding call against Miami in the playoffs.

http://articles.latimes.com/1991-01-...fourth-quarter

The Chiefs went to work after the kickoff from their 22 and made it to the Miami 26 at the two-minute warning. On first down, Okoye plowed up the middle for 12 additional yards, but the play was nullified by a holding call on Kansas City guard David Szott.

"Imagine that, the only holding penalty called in the game," Lowery said. "Isn't that interesting."

Pushed back to the 37, the Chiefs gained only three more yards before calling on Lowery for the game-deciding kick.

"You see the ball falling short and you see the season just going away from you," Hackett, said. "It's too bad. . . . I think this team deserves more than what we reached."

Even worse was the phantom hold against Manusky in 1997

NJChiefsFan 01-15-2017 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 12689155)
The thing that is really heartbreaking is that he didn't even need to block him.

The play was to the right side....



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Quote:

Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 12689218)
Didn't spring anything.


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He would have gotten to Smith before he threw the ball. I don't think that is really debatable.

KChiefs1 01-15-2017 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 12689189)
It was a hold that usually isn't called 9 times out of 10.



Agreed




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kevonm 01-15-2017 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 12689177)
It was absolutely a hold, and it was an obviously one that help spring the play

I don't think it changed the play at all, but it was a hold.

siberian khatru 01-15-2017 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 12689233)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Travis Kelce on Eric Fisher&#39;s hold: &quot;That was horseshit.&quot; Said ref who called it &quot;shouldn&#39;t even be able to work at Foot Locker.&quot;</p>&mdash; Sam Mellinger (@mellinger) <a href="https://twitter.com/mellinger/status/820852991758573893">January 16, 2017</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

"****ing Foot Locker" was the exact quote

Reerun_KC 01-15-2017 10:56 PM

Classic that your #1 over all pick, the guy you lean on in games like this, end up losing the gme for you.. .


Beaten by an nursing home admittance...

ONLY the Chiefs...

TigeRRUppeRRcut 01-15-2017 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 12689233)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Travis Kelce on Eric Fisher&#39;s hold: &quot;That was horseshit.&quot; Said ref who called it &quot;shouldn&#39;t even be able to work at Foot Locker.&quot;</p>&mdash; Sam Mellinger (@mellinger) <a href="https://twitter.com/mellinger/status/820852991758573893">January 16, 2017</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Kelce is right

ChiTown 01-15-2017 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 12689218)
Didn't spring anything.



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Uh, wrong. He would have decapitated Smith

kcpasco 01-15-2017 10:56 PM

It wasn't a hold because they wouldn't have called it against the Steelers. I hope the
Steelers player die painfully.

petegz28 01-15-2017 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 12689254)
He would have gotten to Smith before he threw the ball. I don't think that is really debatable.

bullshit, he wasn't even close

Reerun_KC 01-15-2017 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12689277)
Kelce is right


ROFL

beach tribe 01-15-2017 10:57 PM

It was a blatant hold.
For the record it happens to Tamba or has happened to Tamba 1000 times.
Still a hold. Inexcusable.

Rain Man 01-15-2017 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoShox (Post 12689240)
I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I've always laughed at the posts here calling the Broncos Super Bowl last year the "Super Farce" and saying that the refs gave it to them. But man.. The biggest play of the game and they call it? After years of seeing Tamba get held in chokeholds and it never being called, they call it in the biggest play of a playoff game?

I don't know man...

I guess the only good thing is that they wouldn't have called it if the pass had been incomplete.

siberian khatru 01-15-2017 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 12689302)
It was a blatant hold.
For the record it happens to Tamba or has happened to Tamba 1000 times.
Still a hold. Inexcusable.

This. It can be both.

petegz28 01-15-2017 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 12689280)
Uh, wrong. He would have decapitated Smith

not even close...smith had the ball out well before he would have gotten there

kevonm 01-15-2017 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 12689280)
Uh, wrong. He would have decapitated Smith

Maybe if there was no left tackle at all? The play was way underneath

TimBone 01-15-2017 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 12689197)
It didn't lose us the game but it sure kept us from winning it...

Along with a ton of other shit...but yeah, I guess.

kcpasco 01-15-2017 10:58 PM

Refs got what they wanted

JohnnyHammersticks 01-15-2017 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 12689013)
I could list 1 million reasons why the Chiefs lost and refs still wouldn't make the list.

Bingo. Shit call, but in NO WAY did the Chiefs deserve to win that game. Pretty much every single player besides maybe a couple DBs completely pissed down their legs. No one other than Chiefs fans have any interest in seeing our popgun nutless gutless hapless offense again. As the old saying goes, when the goin gets tough, the Chiefs marble-sized balls shrivel up into their cheap perfume-scented wombs. As usual.

Rain Man 01-15-2017 10:58 PM

Harrison had no chance of getting to Smith unless you're assuming that Fisher suddenly blipped out of existence. Smith had released the ball while Harrison was still slipping and falling.

NJChiefsFan 01-15-2017 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 12689297)
bullshit, he wasn't even close

You need to watch that play again when you calm down and regain some objectivity.

kcpasco 01-15-2017 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 12689302)
It was a blatant hold.
For the record it happens to Tamba or has happened to Tamba 1000 times.
Still a hold. Inexcusable.

It wouldn't have been called on the Steelers. FU

NJChiefsFan 01-15-2017 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 12689334)
Harrison had no chance of getting to Smith unless you're assuming that Fisher suddenly blipped out of existence. Smith had released the ball while Harrison was still slipping and falling.

Harrison was going to go around Fisher and get to Smith in time if you eliminate the left hook that Fisher gives him.

petegz28 01-15-2017 11:00 PM

we've a seen Hali get way worse on way closer plays and no flag. The Refs were looking for a reason to bail out Pit before the ball was ever snapped. There were worse holds on both sides all game that never got called. The Refs intervened when they needed too to protect the score.

Hoover 01-15-2017 11:00 PM

I'm still waiting for the day we have Houston in a playoff game.

FlintHillsChiefs 01-15-2017 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 12689337)
You need to watch that play again when you calm down and regain some objectivity.

It was a clear hold. Doesn't matter if it happens to Hali all the time. Still a hold.

Rain Man 01-15-2017 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyHammersticks (Post 12689332)
Bingo. Shit call, but in NO WAY did the Chiefs deserve to win that game. Pretty much every single player besides maybe a couple DBs completely pissed down their legs. No one other than Chiefs fans have any interest in seeing our popgun nutless gutless hapless offense again. As the old saying goes, when the goin gets tough, the Chiefs marble-sized balls shrivel up into their cheap perfume-scented wombs. As usual.

The refs gave Pittsburgh the game in the end, but yeah, the Chiefs didn't play well, at least on offense. The defense got pushed around all game, but held the opponent out of the end zone the whole game. That's going to win 99 percent of games.

The problems were an offensive line that got beat the whole game and receivers who couldn't catch anything. Did every Chief drop a pass tonight? Kelce, Maclin, Conley (kind of), Ware, Wilson - all of them dropped passes that were critical.

Nightfyre 01-15-2017 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 12689061)
If Clarkbar cared, he would gather 200 pictures of Tamba Hali getting the same type of block with no holding being and post them in a continuous twitter feed over the next week. But $, so he won't. I watched 50% less football this year than last year. Mostly Chiefs games. Seriously questioning my sanity for continuing to follow the NFL at all.

I am on this train. Regardless of whether or not the fix is in on these games, the officiating in the NFL is terribly inconsistent, and downright inexcusably bad at times.

Rain Man 01-15-2017 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 12689367)
I'm still waiting for the day we have Houston in a playoff game.

It's clear that he was about 50 percent, and that was crushing. Perhaps in that situation you shouldn't play if you can't hold your own.

petegz28 01-15-2017 11:02 PM

Baldinger still railing about the call

Nightfyre 01-15-2017 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 12689375)
The refs gave Pittsburgh the game in the end, but yeah, the Chiefs didn't play well, at least on offense. The defense got pushed around all game, but held the opponent out of the end zone the whole game. That's going to win 99 percent of games.

The problems were an offensive line that got beat the whole game and receivers who couldn't catch anything. Did every Chief drop a pass tonight? Kelce, Maclin, Conley (kind of), Ware, Wilson - all of them dropped passes that were critical.

Alex Smith also missed his fair share of throws. He missed two huge gains (one to Ware, one TD to Maclin). He also missed wide open receivers at least three times tonight that I saw.

beach tribe 01-15-2017 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Gigglepants (Post 12689209)

On second look that FN sucks... So bad.

cosmo20002 01-15-2017 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 12689008)
It wasn't a hold. He didn't impede him and it had 0 effect on the play. It happened all game long on both sides of the ball. To call it then says it was rigged BS.

:rolleyes:


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