MELLINGER: Should The Chiefs Move On From Smith?
 

Yep, another Alex Smith thread - but a solid and fair read from Sam Mellinger.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt...#storylink=cpy

Yes.

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Yes.

And that's not a big knock on smith. He's been good here. But it's time.

Should?


Is there even a question?

And **** no to Tony Romo.

No to romo, no to anyone but a drsft pick.

Bye Felicia

We've basically been doing this for the last 4 years:

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to bed completely honest, i wouldnt mind. Not because i want a retread, but because he will ****ing get hurt and it would FORCE the Chiefs to play another QB.

They've actually over-achieved with Smith. This is the ceiling, the high water mark with that guy.

So if we're gonna get bounced in the playoffs every year on this course, I'd rather suck -like we had to suck hard to get rid of Haley/Pioli and get on to building the next generation with an actual chance of winning. Brady's got maybe another two years left before he loses his skills (like Manning did). We'll be fighting Carr, Luck and Mariota over the next five years in the AFC.

Nah, I'll always take winning. Losing sucks.

But they don't need to bottom out. They're sitting in the absolute best spot they've ever been in to take a young qb to grow with the young core they've got.

At some point KC will draft a QB. I mean, the Cubs won it all this year so anything is possible...

Tired of the thinking that a QB another team doesn't want is good enough to get it done in today's NFL.

So you're going to dump Smith and start a rookie QB next year? No thanks. I'd rather get Romo keep Foles at a reduced price and draft a QB to sit for a year or 2.

Didn't read the article.

**** man, i dont mind bottoming out next year if it gets us sam darnold. that qb class is stacked.

Also, this was a good read, thanks for posting.

I was responding to the posts in the thread.

My God I hope not. I hope they extend him for another 5-7 years.

I can't believe it's even debatable to Dorsey. Will it be tough to do? Of course it is, Smith is a stand up guy and deserves to be treated with respect. His play is not good enough and never will be. No team is perfect in today's game and the QB must be more capable than Smith is. Give Foles the gig next season and draft a damn young QB.

Foles sucks. He's a backuo, maybe.

Enough with the retreads. Why can't a rookie do what smith did this year? Hell, look at Prescott or any rookie qb this year.

Rookie qbs in shitty teams suck. Rookie qbs in good teams with good surroundings casts and support system don't suck.

Nick ****ing foles. No just no.

I guess it depends if Kaepernick is a free agent yet.

I don't think Prescott would have done as well here and I also don't think Foles is that bad we can go just as far with him as Smith. If Romo doesn't get injured this team with him is a superbowl team. There's no rookie we can realistically draft next year that will take us to the Super Bowl next year (Im by no means opposed to drafting a QB next year)

I'm typically with you, big dog, but I cannot. Absolutely CANNOT handle another ****fest of Squirmin Herman Mother****ing Sack of **** Edwards or Scott Franchise Killer Pioli. I cannot.

Romo won't be playing in a cold stadium.


Denver has the better kind of cold. KC not so much.

Only reason to start Foles over a rookie in 2017 is to not throw the rookie to the dogs. Foles does not have enough high caliber starting experience that the rookie can watch and learn from.
I would either keep Smith and start the rookie in 2018 or I would start the rookie and have Foles as the backup.
Getting another proven retread like Romo whose passing numbers are significantly better than Smiths means this franchise has its sights on an AFCCG at least. So you need a good backup for the wheels to not completely fall off if (or rather when) Romo gets hurt, so I would go with Foles as the backup. Then what is the point of drafting a high round QB at all in 2017 to have him #3 on the depth chart?

What if Smith is a God-Like teacher?


Would you keep him for another year?

As much as I would've liked Romo here, the 2017 version of him scares me. Too brittle and old. Just say no to Foles, the back up QB is always the most popular guy on the team when the team loses. And don't start with Geno.

No, because if that is the case the Foles should be ready to take over for Smith if we take your post as a truth.

Alex Smith isn't taking this team to the SB next year either - so we can either keep watering the tree, or do something to address the QB position for the future.

Everyone keeps bringing up the point that the last "X" AFCCG's have been some combination of Manning, Brady and Roethlisberger - but we're not even bothering to look at what is "behind us".

Carr, Mariota and Luck have the ability (not saying they will, but they could) to be the next generation's version - while we keep trying to get by with average QB play and hoping that the Defense and Special Teams bail us out week after week after week.

im not going to live another 60 ****ing years though! lol

I agree.

If they want to keep Smith another year, with the guy sitting behind him fine. I'd rather play the rookie, but I get it.

I also think we're getting ahead of ourselves with the next crop of QBs.

I like the thought of trading Smith to the Jets & drafting a QB while going with Foles.





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Thats the whole point of Romo, he's brittle. He's gonna get hurt which causes the Chiefs to hopefully draft one.

Come on man.....you know damn well that they'll just consider it a fluke. Then they'll draft an offensive lineman because HE NEEDS MORE PROTECTION!!!!111!!!

Yes but read what I wrote. My suggestion of getting Romo puts you in super bowl contention next year and allows a rookie QB time to developes. Though there's not many QBs in this draft that excite me and it does seem like this will be classic CP. We need a QB! And cum over guys like Clausen, Barkley, Smith etc. Mahomes fits the bill.

Alex has to move on. He has peaked as a quarterback. If he starts for us next year the fans will just be waiting for the hammer to drop come playoff time. He needs a new environment and the Chiefs need a new leader. It's time to face reality and start the next chapter in Kansas City football.

Only if we have the first pick in the first round...

No to Romo, too fragile and way, way, way too expensive!

This is all you need to read.

naw he's 36. He's not young, but it wont happen. lol

The moment you draft a high round QB to sit behind your incumbent 33 year old who just played in the quarter finals of a championship, the message is clear that Smith is on borrowed time and that you don't really think he can get you further. Any time Smith has a bad game (which he certainly will) the chants will be for the rookie to step in, a constant distraction to an already QB starved team.

I just think that if at all the Chiefs are drafting a 1st round QB it will be better to start him and have Foles be the backup. If they aren't then shore up other positions, play out the season with Smith with the customary one and done and cut him. Have the rookie and Foles (if he still wants to stick around) for 2018.

I forsee a repeat of the 2005 draft.

QB falls to us....and we go ILB.

Yeah, no shit. That's called competition. Chiefs fans aren't really used to the concept as it applies to QBs...

There's something that bugs me about Alex. I saw pretty much the same thing with Grbac. His body language when he's behind in a game is terrible. He huddles up with his QB coach with his nose in his little blue tablet, never has conversations with his skill guys on the sidelines; never talks to Maclin or Kelce or Hill or Ware or anybody between series. And if they get behind he kind of trudges out onto the field with his head down into the huddle. I don't think he's the kind of guy who can motivate his team mates. If you watch Brady, or Rodgers, or Rapitsburger, or Luck, or Stafford, or Wilson.....or....or....or...just about ANY other starting QB worth a damn, they interact with their skill guys during the game.

Grbac was the same way. He'd just wander off in his own little world on the sidelines, never spoke to any of the other guys, just to the coaches. Seemed like he didn't want to be bothered by any of the player's opinions. Maybe that's because he calls the plays, and doesn't want any back talk. Dunno, but I do know his leadership skills were shit.

The Chiefs could bring in Alshon Jeffery to complement Maclin and Kelce, get a healthy Jamaal Charles playing 75% of the abilities he had in 2013/2014 and hit on every defensive draft pick to fill holes from DJ and Hali being old as **** as well as either Poe or Berry leaving and it still wouldn't make Kansas City a Super Bowl contender with Smith at QB.

I've actually liked Mellinger's takes a lot this year, and this one's no different. I will always be the optimist during the season, and I legitimately think we COULD have won a Super Bowl this year with Alex at the helm if a couple of things had fallen differently.

But in terms of long-term planning, it's time for this team to go after a legit threat for a QB. And sorry, Alex, I think you're a good guy, and you're not a "shitty" QB. But you're not the QB we need moving forward.

Yup. Smith acts like just another guy on the team, as opposed to some kind of team leader. Similar to Cassel, you can see that the other players never really look to him for any kind of leadership or motivation. When asked, the best any of the coaches and teammates can say is "He's a great person. Hard worker."

Chiefs love the shit out of Smith for whatever reason. They have his ass plastered on all of their promos.

Extend Foles for a smaller cap hit, draft Mahomes and start him. This offense is designed to fit a spread system and the team is talented enough.

Listening to Adam Teicher makes me want to beat the shit out of him.


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I love all the people bashing Foles....

Just cracks me up.

Because he is a safe choice, one and done, make some noise kinda guy...

True fans will eat that shit up.

Because he's a nice guy and the team has won alot of regular season games with him. He's perfect for this fanbase. Its pretty funny to think these guys making millions a year are going to replace a like Smith who's won so many regular season games for Pat ****ing Mahomes.

That is the heart and soul of the Chiefs fan base... Win regular season games...

Rarely will you ever meet a Chiefs fan that is willing to talk about post season success or how to achieve it...

But they will jerk off a clown car full of midgets to talk about beating the Pats in Arrowhead a few years ago.

Pictures or GTFO....

Say what you will about Foles time with the Rams. But with the eagles, he played this scheme well. He pushed the ball down field routinely.

That was with chip kelly.

Yeah, i dont get it. He's not horrible. Not saying he's the QBoTF but Smith isnt either we all know this.

Alex isnt going to take us to the next level, so whats the ****ing difference? At least Foles will throw downfield if a guy is wide open.

You know, I can see both sides to this argument.

I mean Smith is a solid, professional quarterback and a good lea....



**** that. Time to move on.

He played well for the Rams before Matthew's ****ed him up and he moved the ball against the Colts with us. He's not going to win you a superbowl but he can win in the regular season.

there was NO ****ing pressure on Alex and he ran. lol step up and chuck it, bam touchdown. He would have gotten hit after the throw, but shit like that is frustrating as hell. THis happens EVERY Single game multiple times.

You're probably right. My memory isn't what it once was.

Steve Bono part two. Not that the former niner fans would know anything about that.


Edit : I am referring to the happy feet condition.

That gif.....

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-conte...frustrated.gif

He should have stepped up and made that throw. He would have gotten clocked but maybe draws a flag even if he misses the throw. Instead he runs away where he's even more vulnerable to getting drilled and throws it away. I've noticed when we're on the edge of field goal range he never does this and usually hangs onto the ball and gets sacked. **** him.

Those type of head scratching plays happen at least once a game with Alex. He just never scans the entire field and it's time to bring somebody in that has a better field of vision. Alex has had his chances and he hasn't shown that he has what it takes.

I don't even think he gets hit.

Harrison took 2 strides away from Smith to hit Kelce, gets thrown off his rush and has to cross over to even find the hole vacated by Fulton. If Smith throws when he sees Hill even with Davis (and he's staring RIGHT AT HILL when he draws even), he gets that ball out when Harrison is still 5 yards away from him.

It was absolutely pathetic, inexcusable football.

I'm stunned.

What the hell does vision have to do with it? HE'S LOOKING RIGHT AT HILL! Right the **** at him. Sees him the whole way.

That's not bad vision, that's straight up ****ing cowardice.

Don't worry, Andy was looking at the tape until 2 AM. Its on him, he will get this fixed.

The Alex Smith Deep Ball Myth:

I've been in that mood as well. ****.

I took my aggression out on those 12 teeth I extracted Monday am. I ripped the ****ers out like a damn bandaid.

****

Ouch.

Pt was numb, they survived.

What is with all the Foles stinks crap. Who cares? Give him the job for 2017 and then give it to a young QB we drafted. Does anyone actually think Foles can't throw 10 more tds that Smith? 15 tds is pathetic and far below what rookies accomplished.

JFC


Note to self: Do not see dentist on a Monday or Tuesday....Ever.

Yeah, by Wednesday and Thursday I'm ready for the weekend so that's no bueno either.

Sooooo, is the off season, on a Tuesday, before the draft a safe time?


You have a tight window.

Probably best.

It is a must at this point. 15 TDs? 15? Fif ****ing teen!