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Halfcan 02-22-2017 10:38 AM

Chiefs Off-season Rumors, Cut Maclin?
 
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O.city 02-22-2017 10:41 AM

The chiefs aren't cutting maclin. Maybe a restructure of his deal, but they aren't cutting him.

Easy 6 02-22-2017 10:42 AM

Well if our QB isnt going to throw to him, then I guess there isnt much sense keeping him around

chiefzilla1501 02-22-2017 10:42 AM

Maybe instead of cutting him, they should find a QB who can get the ball into his hands so he can live up to some of his contract.

Eleazar 02-22-2017 10:44 AM

Restructure or cut him loose, IMO. He's a fine player for us when he's 100%, but that hasn't been very often. He's got too many injuries under his belt at this point.

Halfcan 02-22-2017 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Kram (Post 12752143)
Restructure or cut him loose, IMO. He's a fine player for us when he's 100%, but that hasn't been very often. He's got too many injuries under his belt at this point.

The article fails to mention what kind of cap hit the Chiefs would take -if any?

Where did this rumor come from? He had a down year, but I don't think Maclin was in the dog house or anything with Andy?

:hmmm:

Halfcan 02-22-2017 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12752138)
The chiefs aren't cutting maclin. Maybe a restructure of his deal, but they aren't cutting him.

It would be a surprise if they did cut him. I wonder what a restructure would look like and how much cap room Dorsey could create?

tx4chiefs 02-22-2017 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kram (Post 12752143)
Restructure or cut him loose, IMO. He's a fine player for us when he's 100%, but that hasn't been very often. He's got too many injuries under his belt at this point.

Agreed!

Halfcan 02-22-2017 10:55 AM

Chiefs Rumor: Steelers to sign Sorensen?

Steelerswire.usatoday.com/2017/02/21/steelers-free-agent-target-daniel-sorensen/

The Pittsburgh Steelers enter the 2017 season in serious need of depth at the safety position. Mike Mitchell serves as the veteran presence of the group at free safety, and Sean Davis made impressive strides in his rookie season as he developed into the team’s starting strong safety.

Aside from Mitchell and Davis, the Steelers don’t have much else to fall back on. Shamarko Thomas is unlikely to be re-signed after four lackluster years in Pittsburgh. Robert Golden couldn’t play well enough to keep a starting job that fell into his lap, and Jordan Dangerfield was just re-signed to a one-year deal, but is mainly there to fill a roster spot.

The Steelers have over $30 million in salary cap space to work with when the new league year begins in early March. This isn’t an astronomical amount of money by any means, but is much more than the Steelers are accustom to having during the free agency period. With a few dollars to spend, Pittsburgh has the opportunity to add solid depth to their team.

Big name safeties on the free agent market such as Eric Berry, Barry Church, and Tony Jefferson are likely to receive big contracts from their respective teams, but they are not the type of players the Steelers target in free agency. Athletes such as Daniel Sorensen are the type of depth players the Steelers seek when adding from the free agent market.

Sorensen, who played safety at Brigham Young University, was picked up by the Kansas City Chiefs after he went undrafted in 2014. He was placed on the team’s practice squad until being activated to the 53-man roster halfway through his rookie season. He was largely unproductive in 2014 and 2015, but made great contributions in the Chiefs’ secondary in 2016.

In 16 games last season, Sorensen accumulated 63 tackles (55 of them solo), three interceptions, six passes defended, three fumble recoveries, two forced fumbles, and a sack. In week seven, he returned one of those interceptions 48 yards for the first pick-six of his career in a 27-21 win against Drew Brees and the New Orleans Saints.

Sorensen is to be a restricted free agent in 2017, which complicates matters if the Steelers are to acquire him. Hypothetically, if the Steelers were to tender an offer to Sorensen, the Chiefs have five days to better or match the offer given by Pittsburgh. If they decline to do so, the Steelers come away with a new player.

Normally in this situation, the Chiefs would receive draft compensation if they lost a restricted free agent. Since Sorensen was undrafted, the Steelers would not be required to give up a draft pick. This would make attempting to sign Sorensen easier since they would not be required to give up any sort of compensation.

Adding the safety to the Steelers’ defensive ranks would be a major upgrade to their secondary. At the time being, the Steelers do not have a player on their safety depth chart that could step in and start for a number of games if either of their starters were to become injured. Leaning on Dangerfield or Golden to make multiple starts would continue a disastrous trend that has occurred in Pittsburgh for the past few seasons.

With the cap space and need for talent, the Steelers have a great opportunity to add a number of talented players to their depth chart when the time comes to do so. If they are wise, they would make an investment in Sorensen, a capable cover safety that could aid them tremendously in seasons to come.

Reerun_KC 02-22-2017 10:56 AM

Bye Felicia

Discuss Thrower 02-22-2017 10:56 AM

Can't really oppose the move if it's a wider part of restructuring the roster for the future.

Let Poe walk for the comp pick, try and get Berry under a reasonable deal if not see if a tag + trade is feasible, trade anyone possible beyond that and cut the deadweight. KC won't be in a position to draft a legit QB this season so trading back and getting ammo for the next season should be a priority.

The entire AFC West should be ho-hum (barring Siemien/Lynch turning in to above average QBs and the Denver defense not falling to a level of complete ass) with OAK/KC/DEN all hovering around the 9-7 mark so it's not like a retooling season would result in the Chiefs being a dumpster fire; going 8-8 wouldn't be out of the question adn it's not like they're really missing out by keeping things as is for an 11-5 one and done finish in the playoffs... so why not do it?

DJ's left nut 02-22-2017 11:04 AM

Damn; didn't realize that about Sorenson. It would make sense for some team to steal him away as pretty much every team in the NFL can give him a year 1 salary that we can't touch and the Chiefs would be fools to allocate a significant signing bonus to him.

Halfcan 02-22-2017 11:04 AM

Chiefs Rumor: Romo to Chiefs talk heating up?

http://fansided.com/2017/02/20/nfl-r...for-tony-romo/

Maybe the biggest NFL offseason question is where Tony Romo will land next season — with one insider saying there are two new leaders.

With only six and a half months to go until the 2017 NFL season kicks off, people in the state of Texas and across the country are asking themselves the same thing: where will the Dallas Cowboys send their quarterback of the past, Tony Romo?

After a wonderful season in 2016 from rookie signal caller Dak Prescott, it became a given to most (except for maybe the man in charge, owner Jerry Jones) that Romo was going to be on the way out of Dallas. Now, everyone seems on the same page that Prescott is going to be the man for a while — and Romo is soon to be a former member of the Cowboys.

For a while, many thought he would head to the Denver Broncos … some even said a team like the Miami Dolphins. Now, one of the top NFL insiders — Peter King from TheMMQB.com — thinks it’s going to be one of two AFC playoffs teams from last season: the Kansas City Chiefs or the Houston Texans.

During his latest piece, King explained the pros for each team landing Romo:

The 2017 season will be (Houston coach Bill) O’Brien’s fourth. He’s made the playoffs twice in three seasons, with Brian Hoyer and Brock Osweiler his forgettable quarterbacks, and O’Brien knows this is a vital year for him and for his program. With Romo, O’Brien would have the veteran winner he’s longed for—and a coachable one.
In Kansas City, Andy Reid has seen the ceiling of Alex Smith, and it is nice. Reid has never minded upsetting the apple cart for a potentially special player. Romo would be that. Smith is mature enough to take this, to understand the addition of Romo would be good for the team.

There’s a decent argument that could be made for both teams, as well as maybe a half dozen other squads throughout the NFL. Houston seems to be in much more in need of a decent quarterback — after the $72 million Osweiler experiment blew up in their face — since Smith still has talent.

Where Romo ends up has an effect on other quarterbacks throughout the NFL and those looking to get drafted this year. Whoever doesn’t get Romo likely becomes the leader for New England Patriots backup Jimmy Garoppolo. There are quarterbacks like Deshaun Watson, Mitch Trubinsky and others waiting to hear their name called this April. Once again, the whole world is on Tony Romo’s back — which isn’t a good thing after surgery.

Rausch 02-22-2017 11:05 AM

Maclin isn't anywhere close to where the problem is.

Plus, for a playmaker, he's a damned fine run blocker...

Rausch 02-22-2017 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 12752184)
Chiefs Rumor: Romo to Chiefs talk heating up?

If he can't last a season behind the Dallas O line he won't last a week here...

RunKC 02-22-2017 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12752183)
Damn; didn't realize that about Sorenson. It would make sense for some team to steal him away as pretty much every team in the NFL can give him a year 1 salary that we can't touch and the Chiefs would be fools to allocate a significant signing bonus to him.

I'm okay with losing him. He was the worst S in run defense last year and Eric Murray looks like a nice box safety.

kcchiefsus 02-22-2017 11:08 AM

Maclin was playing like shit even before the injury. He's nothing special.

Halfcan 02-22-2017 11:10 AM

Chiefs Rumor: Poe and Berry contracts.

http://kckingdom.com/2017/02/22/kans...cts-work-2017/

General Manager John Dorsey has made it clear that the Kansas City Chiefs believe they can re-sign both Eric Berry and Dontari Poe. We crunched some numbers to see just how that would work out.

One of the biggest issues facing the Kansas City Chiefs in the 2017 offseason is how the team will re-sign key free agents. Specifically, how will the Chiefs get both safety Eric Berry and defensive tackle Dontari Poe back. The issue facing the KC front office is that the team is currently tight against the salary cap. However, after some number crunching, I don’t think that’s a problem.

This is a subject that GM John Dorsey has spoken about recently. In his “end of the season press conference”, Dorsey expressed optimism in working with both Eric Berry and Dontari Poe. He specifically referred to Berry, telling reporters: “We’ve had very positive conversations with his representatives. … Hopefully two sides can come together and mesh this thing out.”

However, optimism aside, there will still be plenty of work to be done. Over The Cap currently puts the Chiefs available salary cap for 2017 at approximately $4.7 million. There is no amount of financial wizardry that will make that amount of money work for both Eric Berry and Dontari Poe. On top of that, you also have to factor in the incoming draft class and other pending free agents who need to be re-signed.

Options Are Available

Fortunately, the Kansas City Chiefs have some options for freeing up more cap space. Specifically, there is the contract of backup quarterback Nick Foles. Rumors have come out that the Chiefs do not intend to pick up the team option on Foles for the 2017 season. That will open up a projected $6.75 million in cap space. If that is true, the Chiefs are suddenly in business.

Another option for the Chiefs is to address the contract of running back Jamaal Charles. Charles is currently slated to make $6.1 million in 2017, which is a number KC can’t afford to pay him. I’ve talked about this situation before, and came up with a solution that would lower his cap hit to $2.8 million in 2017. That opens an additional $3.3 million in cap space to work with.

If the Kansas City Chiefs are able to work both the Nick Foles and Jamaal Charles situations as I have laid out, that would give the team $14.75 million in salary cap room to work with. Now we can get down to business.

notorious 02-22-2017 11:14 AM

A 3rd and a 6th pick for 1 1/2 years of production......


No way they cut him.

In58men 02-22-2017 11:15 AM

Overpaid injury prone piece of shit. Kick rocks.

Hammock Parties 02-22-2017 11:16 AM

No way. Dorsey and Reid will go all in this offseason to win the SB.

There will be absolutely zero eyes towards the future.

Halfcan 02-22-2017 11:17 AM

Chiefs Rumor: Chiefs to cut Foles?

This has been talked about a lot on here, but this story has a little different spin to it.

http://kckingdom.com/2017/02/16/kans...or-draft-pick/

The Kansas City Chiefs are expected to decline the option of retaining quarterback Nick Foles. That opens the door for the team to draft a quarterback early.

It has been expected for a while now that the Kansas City Chiefs would decline the contract option on backup quarterback Nick Foles. The journeyman backup was simply an expense the team could not afford given other pending contracts. However, the release of Foles brings an added benefit as there will now be a clear opening for a quarterback to be added in the upcoming draft.

The quarterback position as a whole has been a huge topic of discussion all offseason. Many fans are clamoring for a change at the position. Of course, when presented with the alternative options, it quickly becomes clear that Alex Smith isn’t going anywhere. That’s why this decision to move on from Foles is so important.

Chiefs fans should expect the team to make an early effort in the draft to grab a quarterback. It should also be assumed that the team has someone in mind. Though the cap relief in releasing Foles is important, KC did have other options. That means they have made at least some kind of decision regarding the future at quarterback.

There are no shortage of possible options. Already there have been many articles posted that tie various college quarterbacks to Kansas City. Of course, realistically, we are no closer to knowing who that player might be.

I have been of the opinion for a while now that the Kansas City Chiefs would stick with Alex Smith until a quality future option presented itself. The Chiefs were rumored to have been interested in Paxton Lynch last year. Of course, the Broncos ruined that, and may actually be paying for it. However, that rumor, along with the recent report on Foles, lends some credibility to the idea that the team is looking for their quarterback of the future.

NEXT: Chiefs Quarterback Dilemma: Alex Smith Vs Kirk Cousins
I won’t venture a guess on who it is that the Kansas City Chiefs like right now. More than likely, they have a few names circled. It will be interesting to see what John Dorsey is willing to do to get that quarterback. If it is one of the top names in the draft, they will likely have to trade up. It could also be that the Chiefs like a quarterback that nobody is even considering yet.

Rausch 02-22-2017 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spider2YBanana (Post 12752220)
There will be absolutely zero eyes towards the future.

I'm sure of that...

Halfcan 02-22-2017 11:28 AM

Chiefs Rumor: Cut Alex..Sign Cousins?

http://kckingdom.com/2017/02/15/kans...-kirk-cousins/

Another season, another time to speculate as to what the Kansas City Chiefs quarterback situation will be in 2017. How does Alex Smith look against some of the available free agents? Here’s a breakdown of Smith and Kirk Cousins.

Looking at the Chiefs’ early exit from the playoffs, it wouldn’t be too crazy of a theory to say that the Kansas City Chiefs would have advanced further in the playoffs with a better quarterback.


That doesn’t mean the loss was all Alex Smith‘s fault though. Smith really didn’t play terribly at all, but he also didn’t play terrific football either.

The fallout from this last postseason is very real and everyone is now debating about who the next quarterback will be for the KC Chiefs.

Alex Smith is a topic of conversation in Kansas City and has been since arriving to town in 2013. There is no doubt that the Chiefs could do much worse at quarterback, even if some fans don’t want to admit it.

There’s also the side of that fans know the team could do much better at the most important position in the sport. That’s the whole crux of this. Alex Smith is about as middle of the road as it gets at quarterback.

This offseason presents a lot of free agent quarterbacks that the Chiefs could take a gamble on. I’m going to go through this one option at a time and we’ll see if we can find that better option. Today we’re going to put Smith up against Kirk Cousins of the Washington Redskins. So let’s see how they compare…

Kansas City Chiefs Quarterback Options

Alex Smith – Kansas City Chiefs

As the reigning starting quarterback for the Kansas City Chiefs, it’s only right that we give Alex Smith the first look. Smith has been with the Chiefs since 2013 when Andy Reid and John Dorsey traded a pair of second round picks to the 49ers for him.

Alex Smith’s career with the Chiefs has led the team to nothing but winning seasons. KC has been no worse than 9-7 with Smith as the quarterback, and only went that low once. The team has made the postseason in three of the four years, and Smith has also earned a pair of Pro Bowl appearances. As a passer he makes very few mistakes and doesn’t turn the ball over, which helps KC win the field position battle consistently.

“WE ALL FELT LIKE WE HAD AN AWESOME OPPORTUNITY AND WE DIDN’T GET IT DONE. SO EVEN MORE SO, LET’S PRESS ON THE GAS AND LET’S GO.” ~ ALEX SMITH ON FRUSTRATING 2016 AND MOVING FORWARD.
From the negatives persepctive, Alex Smith doesn’t take a lot of chances. In essence, what makes him a good quarterback is also what prevents him from being a great one. Smith rarely takes shots down the field, though this past season did show an added effort there. That’s a tough pill for Chiefs fans to swallow when we come up short. It’s easy to want to see more of a gunslinger mentality from Smith, but we don’t know how that would effect his ability to protect the ball.

For his own part, Alex Smith understands the frustration. He’s talked about it before, and most recently alluded to it in an interview with the Kansas City Star. Smith told Terez Paylor: “We all felt like we had an awesome opportunity and we didn’t get it done. So even more so, let’s press on the gas and let’s go.”

The Numbers

2013: 308/508 (60.6%) 3,313 yds; 23 TDs; 7 INTs; 76 carries 431 yds; 1 TD

2014: 303/464 (65.3%) 3,265 yds; 18 TDs; 6 INTs; 49 carries 259 yds; 1 TD

2015: 307/470 (65.3%) 3,486 yds; 20 TDs; 7 INTs; 84 carries 498 yds; 2 TD

2016: 328/429 (67.1%) 3,502 yds; 15 TDs; 8 INTs; 48 carries 134 yds; 5 TD

Things could certainly be worse for the Kansas City Chiefs. Smith doesn’t put up huge numbers, but he doesn’t give the ball to the defense. There’s a lot to be said about that. From a financial point of view, his price tag isn’t outrageous for a quarterback. It will be tough for someone else to come in and be a clear improvement on Smith for the Chiefs.

Kirk Cousins – Washington Redskins

If the Kansas City Chiefs are truly intent on upgrading at quarterback, it’s hard to argue there is a better option than Kirk Cousins. The Redskins drafted Cousins to be the backup to Robert Griffin III, but things worked out much differently. Cousins has started the past two seasons and it primed for a big time contract either from Washington or on the free agent market.

Since getting the chance to start, Kirk Cousins has had some up and down moments, but looks the part of a franchise quarterback. He’s got a solid arm and reads the field well. Cousins moves well in the pocket and can pick up yards with his legs in a pinch. He seems to have all the tools to succeed in the NFL.

However, there are moments when you wonder exactly what it is you are watching with Kirk Cousins on the field. There are some head scratching performances that give you a moment’s pause. Cousins can also tend to disappear a bit in big time games. All of these things are what keeps people from declaring him a top option at quarterback.

Kirk Cousins is saying all the right things about staying in Washington. However, the Redskins have painted themselves into a corner on this and it’s hard to know how it will turn out. Washington should give Cousins a new contract, but it’s fully possible they won’t. With the team already using the Franchise tag on him in 2016, it seems like an unlikely scenario to do it again.

The Numbers

2013: 81/155 (52.3%) 155 yds; 4 TDs; 7 INTs; 4 carries 14 yds; 0 TD

2014: 126/204 (61.8%) 1,710 yds; 10 TDs; 9 INTs; 7 carries 20 yds; 0 TD

2015: 379/543 (69.8%) 4,166 yds; 29 TDs; 11 INTs; 26 carries 48 yds; 5 TD

2016: 406/606 (67%) 4,917 yds; 25 TDs; 12 INTs; 34 carries 96 yds; 4 TD

The Contract
2012
$390,000
$118,172 $0 $0 $0 $508,172
2013
$480,000
$118,172 $0 $0 $0 $598,172
2014
$570,000
$118,172 $0 $0 $0 $688,172
2015
$660,000
$118,172 $0 $0 $0 $778,172
2016
$19,953,000
$19,953,000 $0 $0 $0 $0 $19,953,000

If you’re buying the services of Kirk Cousins, you had better believe in his ability to lead the team. There is no doubt that Cousins will get a big quarterback contract from whomever he plays for in 2016. So if the Kansas City Chiefs are going to invest that kind of money, they had better be sure.

The Winner – Kirk Cousins

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Yes, it would cost the Kansas City Chiefs quit a bit to sign Kirk Cousins. Yes, it is unclear just how good he really is. However, I have liked what I’ve seen from the former 4th-round pick, and I’m buying into him as an NFL franchise quarterback. So if the Chiefs are serious about upgrading the quarterback position, I am on board with Cousins being that option.

Kirk Cousins has shown a lot in his young NFL career. Pairing him up with a coach with Andy Reid’s reputation for developing quarterbacks, and this could be a very dangerous offense. The only real trick here is the financials of the deal. If you’re bringing in Cousins, then both Alex Smith and Nick Foles have got to go. Even then, it would be tough for the Chiefs to work with some other key free agents.

We want to hear from you #ChiefsKingdom! Who is the better option at QB for the #Chiefs?
12:17 PM - 12 Feb 2017
45%Alex Smith
55%Kirk Cousins

Unfortunately, Kirk Cousins is probably the least readily available option for the Chiefs this offseason. While the two sides don’t seem to be making any headway, I really do not see a scenario where the Redskins let Cousins walk. It just wouldn’t make any sense. Especially with what is viewed by most to be a weak quarterback class.

notorious 02-22-2017 11:34 AM

I was hoping for Cousins, but there is no way the Foreskins are stupid enough to let him go.

Halfcan 02-22-2017 11:34 AM

Chiefs Rumor: Garoppola to the Chiefs?

http://arrowheadaddict.com/2017/02/2...ts-alex-smith/

The Kansas City Chiefs might be in the market for a new starting quarterback at some point in the very near future, but Jimmy Garoppolo makes absolutely no sense for KC.

It’s the NFL offseason, so rumors are supposed to be flying this time of year. The Kansas City Chiefs are rumored to be considering changes at the starting quarterback position, which makes them ripe to be connected with anyone and everyone. However, one idea floating about the possibility of trading for Jimmy Garoppolo is among the ones that make the least amount of sense.


Garoppolo has certainly looked the part as a potential starting quarterback in limited duty filling in for Tom Brady the last few seasons. Since Bill Belichick made Garoppolo a second round pick in 2014, Garoppolo has thrown only 94 total passes (that’s two weeks work for Drew Brees, by comparison), but Garoppolo went 2-0 when starting while Brady was suspended in 2016, completing 68% of his passes and throwing 4 touchdowns and avoiding any interceptions. It was good for a 113.3 passer rating and plenty of buzz about his starting potential.

Garoppolo basically has it all going for him at this point. Let’s consider the following:

1. One third of NFL franchises seem to be desperate for a long-term answer at quarterback, the game’s most important position.
2. Teams are paying through the nose to find those answers (a la Brock Osweiler’s mega-contract from the Houston Texans).
3. There’s an ongoing mystique around Bill Belichick’s players and staff that make them seem better than they are (a la every former Pats player and coach who leaves).
4. The limited sample size looks great
5. He’s studied under both the best quarterback and coach in NFL history.
6. He’s ready to start from Week 1 versus a rookie who might need time.

In short, there’s a lot to like about Garoppolo for any team in need of a starter. And that’s where this all begins to fall apart when viewed from the Chiefs perspective. The cost is going to be far too considerable both in trade value and in contract terms for the Chiefs to take the bait.

In58men 02-22-2017 11:36 AM

If Grapopoloppo was the real deal, they would keep him right where he's at. I ****ing hate trading for QBs that rarely did anything. Everybody should have learned from Houstons mistake.

Hammock Parties 02-22-2017 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 12752256)
Chiefs Rumor: Garoppola to the Chiefs?

http://arrowheadaddict.com/2017/02/2...ts-alex-smith/

The Kansas City Chiefs might be in the market for a new starting quarterback at some point in the very near future, but Jimmy Garoppolo makes absolutely no sense for KC.

It’s the NFL offseason, so rumors are supposed to be flying this time of year. The Kansas City Chiefs are rumored to be considering changes at the starting quarterback position, which makes them ripe to be connected with anyone and everyone. However, one idea floating about the possibility of trading for Jimmy Garoppolo is among the ones that make the least amount of sense.


Garoppolo has certainly looked the part as a potential starting quarterback in limited duty filling in for Tom Brady the last few seasons. Since Bill Belichick made Garoppolo a second round pick in 2014, Garoppolo has thrown only 94 total passes (that’s two weeks work for Drew Brees, by comparison), but Garoppolo went 2-0 when starting while Brady was suspended in 2016, completing 68% of his passes and throwing 4 touchdowns and avoiding any interceptions. It was good for a 113.3 passer rating and plenty of buzz about his starting potential.

Garoppolo basically has it all going for him at this point. Let’s consider the following:

1. One third of NFL franchises seem to be desperate for a long-term answer at quarterback, the game’s most important position.
2. Teams are paying through the nose to find those answers (a la Brock Osweiler’s mega-contract from the Houston Texans).
3. There’s an ongoing mystique around Bill Belichick’s players and staff that make them seem better than they are (a la every former Pats player and coach who leaves).
4. The limited sample size looks great
5. He’s studied under both the best quarterback and coach in NFL history.
6. He’s ready to start from Week 1 versus a rookie who might need time.

In short, there’s a lot to like about Garoppolo for any team in need of a starter. And that’s where this all begins to fall apart when viewed from the Chiefs perspective. The cost is going to be far too considerable both in trade value and in contract terms for the Chiefs to take the bait.

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Halfcan 02-22-2017 11:39 AM

Chiefs Rumor: Cut or Restructure Jamaal Charles?

http://arrowheadaddict.com/2017/02/2...amaal-charles/

The Jamaal Charles situation with the Kansas City Chiefs illustrates difficult a lasting relationship between player and franchise can be in the modern NFL.

The contract Charles is currently under presents problem for John Dorsey and the Chiefs’ leadership. He signed that contract in 2014. It was a deal made by a player showing loyalty to the franchise and a franchise rewarding the player for excellent performance. Three seasons later in which the bulk of two seasons we lost to injury, the contract sits at an untenable position. In 2017, Charles is due to make significant a salary of $3.75 million as well as roster bonuses of $3 million and a workout bonus of $250k. Charles carries a cap number of $6.19 million dollars into the 2017 league year.

The bigger worry is Charles’ physical condition. Very little has been reported on his progress in recovery from the meniscus repairs he had following his short-lived return from an ACL repair. In light of these injuries, the contract may be a moot point if Charles is not able to return to the field. If he’s unable to participate in offseason activities, the decision may make itself.

Halfcan 02-22-2017 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spider2YBanana (Post 12752262)

I don't think the Garoppola rumor is getting much traction at all.

It is strange that Andy comes out and says "Alex is our Guy for 2017." Yet all these QB rumors are swirling around the Chiefs? :hmmm:

Easy 6 02-22-2017 11:45 AM

Lots of places throwing lots of shit at the wall today

Rausch 02-22-2017 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 12752270)
It is strange that Andy comes out and says "Alex is our Guy for 2017." Yet all these QB rumors are swirling around the Chiefs? :hmmm:

EVERYONE knows all KC needs is a QB.

KC seems happy with mediocre QB.

Rumors will swirl...

In58men 02-22-2017 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 12752275)
Lots of places throwing lots of shit at the wall today

NFL has always been desperate for attention.

Mr. Laz 02-22-2017 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 12752141)
Well if our QB isnt going to throw to him, then I guess there isnt much sense keeping him around

Can we please go one ****ing thread without this shit starting?


Why in the **** bother posting at all if you are going to just start the same ol' shit?

Halfcan 02-22-2017 11:58 AM

Chiefs Rumor: Top 5 Free Agency targets?

http://fansided.com/2017/02/20/kansa...on-needs-2017/

The Kansas City Chiefs head into the 2017 NFL season fresh off an AFC West title. Here are five free agents they should target.

The Kansas City Chiefs took home the AFC West title in 2016, only to find themselves beaten in the Divisional Round by the Pittsburgh Steelers as the No. 2 seed in the AFC. There are plenty of question marks heading into next season, especially whether or not Alex Smith will ever be able tow in them the big game as their quarterback. The Chiefs have a ton of talent on both sides of the ball, and a good offseason could land them right back atop the AFC West.

Kansas City plays in a very tough division, and teams like the Oakland Raiders and Denver Broncos are not far behind them. Head coach Andy Reid has some big decisions to make about his roster heading into next season, with the biggest being locking up star safety Eric Berry. If Kansas City wants to repeat in the AFC West, they need to be smart this free agency period.

Here are five possible free agent targets for the Kansas City Chiefs.


5MALCOLM SMITHLB, Oakland Raiders
For years, Derrick Johnson has been one of the best linebackers in football. Not only is he an incredible linebacker, but his leadership on the field for the Chiefs cannot be understated. However, he is starting to get up there in age, and the time may be coming for the Chiefs to start thinking about the future of the position. The success of the Chiefs really hinges on the play of their defense, so addressing all weaknesses will be a priority this offseason.

Johnson is 34-years old, and he has dealt with a torn achilles in two of the last three years. While he is most certainly going to play a big role in the Chiefs plans in 2017, he is going to need some help. Ramik Wilson is a solid player, who played in Johnson’s absence in 2016, but it would be unfair to compare him to Johnson. Kansas City needs to bring in a veteran to help out in 2017, and they may only have to look within their division to do so.

Malcolm Smith was the Super Bowl MVP for the Seattle Seahawks a couple of years back, and went to the Oakland Raiders to join defensive coordinator Ken Norton Jr. For the Raiders, Smith has proven to be a leader for the young roster on the field, and off of it, and his production has been just what the Raiders were hoping for. Re-signing him is going to be a priority for the Oakland Raiders, but the Chiefs may be able to wrestle him away from their division rival.

ROBERT WOODSWR, Buffalo Bills
While the big question heading into the offseason is whether or not Alex Smith will ever win a big game for the Kansas City Chiefs, the team needs to focus on the talent around him. Smith is never going to be a guy who is going to consistently put up 250-plus passing yards, but he does have the ability to distribute the ball well. Last season, star wide receiver Jeremy Maclin played like anything but, though a certain rookie really stepped up in his place.

Tyreek Hill made the Pro Bowl for the Chiefs this past season, as he was one of the more electric players in the NFL. While it remains to be seen whether or not he has an encore in him next season, the Chiefs need to bring in another wideout to add to the receiving corps. Robert Woods from the Buffalo Bills is a very good wide receiver, and he may be looking to sign elsewhere with the question marks in Buffalo about who is going to play quarterback.

There is no way of knowing what next season brings for either Maclin, or Hill, but the Chiefs cannot afford to take a step back. The Oakland Raiders were right on their heels last season, so the need to bring in some more weapons on offense has to be a concern for the Chiefs. Woods is the kind of player who is going to produce every week, and in an offense that likes to distribute the ball, he should have plenty of options to shine inside Arrowhead Stadium next season.

DONTARI POENT, Kansas City Chiefs
Bring him back? The Chiefs have a serious decision to make on Dontari Poe, who plays such a big role in their defense. Not only is he great at pushing the line back, but he is the kind of run stopper who can make an offense change their gameplan. He may be too much money for the team to bring back, and they do have some talented players behind him on the depth chart.

When it comes to the Chiefs free agents, Poe and Eric Berry are the obvious top two names, and they are both huge reasons why the Chiefs won the AFC West in 2016. Poe is an intimidating force in the middle of the Chiefs defense, and he would be hard to replace if the team cannot get a deal done. The Chiefs are only going to be as good as their defense allows them to be next season, and the unit is good enough to get them back to the playoffs.

Most people believe that Poe is the best 3-4 defensive lineman in this draft, and he is going to garner some big contract offers. Kansas City may want to place the franchise tag on him, but then they would be committing a chunk of their salary cap to him next season. The deal has to make sense, and if the Chiefs do decide to let him walk, they have a capable replacement in Jaye Howard to take over the spot left vacant by the departure of Poe.

A.J. BOUYECB, Houston Texans
Marcus Peters is one of the best cornerbacks in the NFL, and some may argue that he could be the latest edition of Darrelle Revis. He is a shutdown corner, and teams just do not try to throw his way on Sundays. The impact that he has on the game cannot be understated, and he is a main reason why the team won the AFC West this past season.

While the Chiefs do boast one of the best in the game at corner, the fact is he needs some help. They just do not have the depth needed to stop really good passing teams, so bringing in a guy like A.J. Bouye of the Houston Texans makes perfect sense. Bouye really emerged late last season during the Texans run to the Divisional Round, and some team is going to throw him a bunch of money to be their top corner in 2017.

The best part about Bouye is that he can pretty much do it all from the cornerback position. He has great coverage skills, and his ability to come up and make a big hit really separates him from a lot of the cornerbacks in this league. I think he is really just starting to scratch the surface of his potential, and signing with the Chiefs to play with Peters would be a great decision for him this early in his career.

ERIC BERRYS, Kansas City Chiefs
This is a no-brainer here, as Eric Berry has been the heart and soul of this team for some time now. Berry played last season under the franchise tag, but there is no way he is about to do that again. The Pro Bowl safety wants a long-term commitment from the Chiefs, and there is a serious chance that his playing days with the team may be over.

While there is a chance that is the case, the truth of the matter is that the Chiefs have to make this deal happen. The Chiefs have an incredible thing going right now, and coming off an AFC West title, they have to be thinking they can make it all the way to the Super Bowl next season. Their Divisional Round loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers at home has to be eating them up inside, and Berry, as a leader of this team, must be chomping to get back out there.

The money has to make sense, and the Chiefs are going to have to clear some cap space to make the deal happen. Do they dare approach him with the franchise tag again? That is unlikely, as Berry has already made it known that he is not going to be on a one-year deal again. He is too valuable to this franchise to let him walk, and even if they have to cut some key players, they are going to get this one done.

Discuss Thrower 02-22-2017 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 12752270)
I don't think the Garoppola rumor is getting much traction at all.

It is strange that Andy comes out and says "Alex is our Guy for 2017." Yet all these QB rumors are swirling around the Chiefs? :hmmm:

It's the dead period for the NFL and the sports media outlets need to generate ad revenue somehow.


So therefore cue the bullshit speculation.

Mr. Laz 02-22-2017 11:59 AM

Maclin has a shitty year but he still showed flashes of his old self.


No reason to cut him now.

Red Dawg 02-22-2017 12:06 PM

Why not cut Maclin? With Smith at QB he's useless.

Easy 6 02-22-2017 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12752300)
Can we please go one ****ing thread without this shit starting?


Why in the **** bother posting at all if you are going to just start the same ol' shit?

Its a legit observation, one I've held for a long time now and one pretty much everyone has known about for a long time now... Smith underutilizes his receivers

Prison Bitch 02-22-2017 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 12752187)
Maclin isn't anywhere close to where the problem is.

Plus, for a playmaker, he's a damned fine run blocker...

He's a waste of $$$ who never even plays

Red Dawg 02-22-2017 12:09 PM

If he's a June 1 cut his dead cap is only 2.5. Save 10 mil so I hope he's gone unless we actually have Smith gone. That would take a miracle.

TigeRRUppeRRcut 02-22-2017 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12752196)
I'm okay with losing him. He was the worst S in run defense last year and Eric Murray looks like a nice box safety.

Holy hell you are dumb. He substitutes in for the nickle package of course he isn't good against the run :facepalm:

TigeRRUppeRRcut 02-22-2017 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12752300)
Can we please go one ****ing thread without this shit starting?


Why in the **** bother posting at all if you are going to just start the same ol' shit?

Admins don't care to identity it as trolling or thread derailing.

Easy 6 02-22-2017 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12752365)
Admins don't care to identity it as trolling or thread derailing.

Smiff is a perfectly valid point of discussion when talking about Maclins productivity, or lack thereof

RunKC 02-22-2017 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12752362)
Holy hell you are dumb. He substitutes in for the nickle package of course he isn't good against the run :facepalm:

Wow I didn't think Tiger could make it more clear that he doesn't know anything about the Chiefs but just when you question it, posts like this confirm it.

BlackHelicopters 02-22-2017 12:59 PM

Maclin. Cut his ass.

Coogs 02-22-2017 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 12752184)
Chiefs Rumor: Romo to Chiefs talk heating up?

http://fansided.com/2017/02/20/nfl-r...for-tony-romo/

Maybe the biggest NFL offseason question is where Tony Romo will land next season — with one insider saying there are two new leaders.

With only six and a half months to go until the 2017 NFL season kicks off, people in the state of Texas and across the country are asking themselves the same thing: where will the Dallas Cowboys send their quarterback of the past, Tony Romo?

After a wonderful season in 2016 from rookie signal caller Dak Prescott, it became a given to most (except for maybe the man in charge, owner Jerry Jones) that Romo was going to be on the way out of Dallas. Now, everyone seems on the same page that Prescott is going to be the man for a while — and Romo is soon to be a former member of the Cowboys.

For a while, many thought he would head to the Denver Broncos … some even said a team like the Miami Dolphins. Now, one of the top NFL insiders — Peter King from TheMMQB.com — thinks it’s going to be one of two AFC playoffs teams from last season: the Kansas City Chiefs or the Houston Texans.

During his latest piece, King explained the pros for each team landing Romo:

The 2017 season will be (Houston coach Bill) O’Brien’s fourth. He’s made the playoffs twice in three seasons, with Brian Hoyer and Brock Osweiler his forgettable quarterbacks, and O’Brien knows this is a vital year for him and for his program. With Romo, O’Brien would have the veteran winner he’s longed for—and a coachable one.
In Kansas City, Andy Reid has seen the ceiling of Alex Smith, and it is nice. Reid has never minded upsetting the apple cart for a potentially special player. Romo would be that. Smith is mature enough to take this, to understand the addition of Romo would be good for the team.

There’s a decent argument that could be made for both teams, as well as maybe a half dozen other squads throughout the NFL. Houston seems to be in much more in need of a decent quarterback — after the $72 million Osweiler experiment blew up in their face — since Smith still has talent.

Where Romo ends up has an effect on other quarterbacks throughout the NFL and those looking to get drafted this year. Whoever doesn’t get Romo likely becomes the leader for New England Patriots backup Jimmy Garoppolo. There are quarterbacks like Deshaun Watson, Mitch Trubinsky and others waiting to hear their name called this April. Once again, the whole world is on Tony Romo’s back — which isn’t a good thing after surgery.

This one says whoever (between Texans and us) doesn't get Romo becomes the leader for Garoppolo.

While not a huge fan of this, we did bring Garoppolo in for a visit back in 2014. We didn't have a 2nd round pick that year because of the Smith deal with the 49ers. He was gone by our 3rd round pick.

Not sure if Chiefs had any interest in Garoppolo beyond that visit, but he could be in play... like it or not.

raybec 4 02-22-2017 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 12752414)
This one says whoever (between Texans and us) doesn't get Romo becomes the leader for Garoppolo.

While not a huge fan of this, we did bring Garoppolo in for a visit back in 2014. We didn't have a 2nd round pick that year because of the Smith deal with the 49ers. He was gone by our 3rd round pick.

Not sure if Chiefs had any interest in Garoppolo beyond that visit, but he could be in play... like it or not.

I just hope they draft and develop one of the top qb's this year or next. Even if they pick up Romo, Jimmy G or stick with some combo of Alex/Foles

Mr. Laz 02-22-2017 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 12752314)
Its a legit observation, one I've held for a long time now and one pretty much everyone has known about for a long time now... Smith underutilizes his receivers

I understand, but it's been beaten into the ground in a dozen threads just in the last 6 months. What could you possibly learn about the subject now?

At this point, it's just bitching.

Mr. Laz 02-22-2017 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 12752370)
Smiff is a perfectly valid point of discussion when talking about Maclins productivity, or lack thereof

:doh!:

Marcellus 02-22-2017 01:21 PM

May have well named this thread "A bunch of bullshit that likely wont happen".

And the guy who set the franchise season record for receptions by a WR in 2015 now just simply sucks? Dwayne Bowe 2.0 I guess?

Interesting.

SMDH

TigeRRUppeRRcut 02-22-2017 01:22 PM

3rd and long situation, Sorensen substitutes in to protect against the pass. CP village idiot comments he sucks against the run. Tell me what is wrong with this picture.

Titty Meat 02-22-2017 01:27 PM

For as much shit Smith gets for his play against the Steelers Maclin deserves some too. There was a play in the game he turned the wrong way on a deep ball had he turned the right way it's a big completion and a score. They'll need to do something with his contract it's a shame the cap situation has got this team in.

RunKC 02-22-2017 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12752428)
3rd and long situation, Sorensen substitutes in to protect against the pass. CP village idiot comments he sucks against the run. Tell me what is wrong with this picture.

The Chiefs play nickel more than just 3rd down and teams audible to run the ball.

I'd say that's the problem, but for you it's just the tip of the iceberg.

dls6501 02-22-2017 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BigMeatballBillay (Post 12752437)
For as much shit Smith gets for his play against the Steelers Maclin deserves some too. There was a play in the game he turned the wrong way on a deep ball had he turned the right way it's a big completion and a score. They'll need to do something with his contract it's a shame the cap situation has got this team in.

Do you have proof of this? Because I saw it, as well as the broadcasters and analysts after the game, as an errant pass that would have been a touchdown if thrown within a few yards of the correct spot.

beach tribe 02-22-2017 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12752362)
Holy hell you are dumb. He substitutes in for the nickle package of course he isn't good against the run :facepalm:

You really are a ****ing idiot.

You think teams don't run the ball when we are in nickle?

We line up in sub packages 60% of the time, our run defense sucked and he is the worst tackling S in all of football.

Of course you are too ****ing stupid to see any correlation.

"Of course he's bad against the run"

FFS what is wrong with you brain?

beach tribe 02-22-2017 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12752443)
The Chiefs play nickel more than just 3rd down and teams audible to run the ball.

I'd say that's the problem, but for you it's just the tip of the iceberg.

The guy is so insufferably ****ing stupid it makes my head hurt.

New World Order 02-22-2017 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Spider2YBanana (Post 12752220)
No way. Dorsey and Reid will go all in this offseason to win the SB.

There will be absolutely zero eyes towards the future.


What does this mean exactly?

When healthy, the Chiefs are pretty good everywhere. I can't really see where they can make a big move unless it's the quarterback position.

beach tribe 02-22-2017 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dls6501 (Post 12752454)
Do you have proof of this? Because I saw it, as well as the broadcasters and analysts after the game, as an errant pass that would have been a touchdown if thrown within a few yards of the correct spot.

Shitty pass.

Hammock Parties 02-22-2017 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 12752491)
What does this mean exactly?

When healthy, the Chiefs are pretty good everywhere. I can't really see where they can make a big move unless it's the quarterback position.

I'm saying anyone who has been deemed even an above average talent currently on the roster isn't going anywhere, unless it's someone like Charles who isn't needed anymore.

I bet they find a way to keep Poe, too. And they will blow every penny in FA.

Full Carl this offseason.

Hoover 02-22-2017 02:19 PM

Actually if we are going to cut Maclin, the time to do it is after June 1st.

Really sucks for him, but we can save 10 million in cap space and only have to eat 2.4 million. The numbers actually go up in the following years making him more difficult to cut.

I think a restructure is the most likley outcome, but I wouldn't be suprised if we just cut bait. However, then WR becomes a priority in the draft.

RippedmyFlesh 02-22-2017 02:20 PM

Woods would be an upgrade over conley.

BoneKrusher 02-22-2017 02:20 PM

But
Maclin isn't the problem.

RunKC 02-22-2017 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Spider2YBanana (Post 12752499)
I'm saying anyone who has been deemed even an above average talent currently on the roster isn't going anywhere, unless it's someone like Charles who isn't needed anymore.

I bet they find a way to keep Poe, too. And they will blow every penny in FA.

Full Carl this offseason.

This isn't a problem when you're drafting Travis Kelce's, Tyreek Hill's, Dee Ford's and Chris Jones every year.

Rooster 02-22-2017 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BoneKrusher (Post 12752527)
But
Maclin isn't the problem.

He keeps running routes deeper than 10 yards. That's not acceptable or needed with the Chiefs. :)

scho63 02-22-2017 03:12 PM

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Maclin didn't have the best of seasons this year and not sure why.

Reerun_KC 02-22-2017 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 12752525)
Actually if we are going to cut Maclin, the time to do it is after June 1st.

Really sucks for him, but we can save 10 million in cap space and only have to eat 2.4 million. The numbers actually go up in the following years making him more difficult to cut.

I think a restructure is the most likley outcome, but I wouldn't be suprised if we just cut bait. However, QB becomes a priority in the draft.

I agree 100% without one, it makes your WRs completely worthless.... So drafting a WR in the draft without a QB is like buying a car without tires...

TigeRRUppeRRcut 02-22-2017 03:30 PM

Leave it to these two morons to blame the run defense failures on Sorenson, again a guy who substitutes as a DB. NOT a linebacker. NOT a defensive lineman. Idiots.

Rooster 02-22-2017 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 12752607)
Maclin didn't have the best of seasons this year and not sure why.

It seems like he was hurt all season even when he was playing.

pugsnotdrugs19 02-22-2017 04:07 PM

This is just some Eagles fans hoping this happens. No validity or chance that he is cut this soon.

kepp 02-22-2017 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Kram (Post 12752143)
Restructure or cut him loose, IMO. He's a fine player for us when he's 100%, but that hasn't been very often. He's got too many injuries under his belt at this point.

He's been fragile ever since his Mizzou days. It's unfortunate because he has a lot of ability.

BoneKrusher 02-22-2017 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 12752141)
Well if our QB isnt going to throw to him, then I guess there isnt much sense keeping him around

If Alex has to look beyond his first option the play is over.

Coochie liquor 02-22-2017 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 12752270)
I don't think the Garoppola rumor is getting much traction at all.

It is strange that Andy comes out and says "Alex is our Guy for 2017." Yet all these QB rumors are swirling around the Chiefs? :hmmm:

They're only rumors because the writers are grasping at straws. These people have no idea what the team is really thinking.

ToxSocks 02-22-2017 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rooster (Post 12752632)
It seems like he was hurt all season even when he was playing.

He started to come on and look like his old self again towards the end of the season.

But yeah, he wasn't right all year. Either injury or lack of focus.

ToxSocks 02-22-2017 08:36 PM

So did Alex Smith hurt Maclin's production, or did Maclin hurt Smith's production?

Dundundun

HemiEd 02-23-2017 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 12752607)
Maclin didn't have the best of seasons this year and not sure why.

He had an injury bothering him most of the season.

mcaj22 02-23-2017 08:01 AM

Maclin just doesnt get the volume he should from this scheme. I dont know if its the QB or Andy but youre paying a WR 11 million he should get more than 6 targets a game, he should be peppered and one of the main focal points regardless. For a WR to produce you need to just give him volume, when that stops of course his numbers will dip.

Granted he might have been hurt and out there as a decoy but he looked okay down the stretch and they still didnt feed him.

Molitoth 02-23-2017 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by BoneKrusher (Post 12752706)
If Alex has to look beyond his first option the play is over.

Winner winner chicken dinner.

Bowser 02-23-2017 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 12753017)
So did Alex Smith hurt Maclin's production, or did Maclin hurt Smith's production?

Dundundun

Are you wanting Laz to report your post? Because this is how you get Laz to report your post.

kcchiefsus 02-23-2017 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 12753264)
He had an injury bothering him most of the season.

He was pathetic even before the injury.


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