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TigeRRUppeRRcut 02-28-2017 06:52 PM

Predictions on Dirty Dan's contract
 
Now that #29 is locked up, what is your prediction for Daniel Sorensen? He's a restricted free agent coming off a big year filling in for Hussain Abdullah. Although he was not great in stopping the run, the pass defense excelled with him playing as the 5th DB.

BJ Kissel reports that Dirty Dan was involved in 8 of the 33 turnovers forced this last season

Not to forget, he is a Mormon from byu (which is probably one of the big reasons Reid gave him a chance in the first place to be on this roster).

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl...200318f%5B1%5D

kccrow 02-28-2017 06:54 PM

1 year $1,671,000 RFA original round tender.

ThaVirus 02-28-2017 06:55 PM

Vet min and not a penny more!

RealSNR 02-28-2017 06:56 PM

Prolly bout tree fiddy

ptlyon 02-28-2017 06:56 PM

Did your giner quit bleeding already?

SAUTO 02-28-2017 06:57 PM

2 years 5 million.

loochy 02-28-2017 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12761824)
Not to forget, he is a Mormon from byu (which is probably one of the big reasons Reid gave him a chance in the first place to be on this roster).

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milkman 02-28-2017 06:58 PM

Who the **** cares?

Dorsey can find someone from the scrap heap that can do his job just as well as he does it.

Mr. Laz 02-28-2017 07:01 PM

He's restricted so it's a difficult call, it might just be a 1-year deal.

Then again, after seeing LDT's contract they might just drop another money bomb on a "favorite". If they give him a long-term deal then they go a little under Ron Parker money.

five-year, $27 million

Hell, if we are going to overpay all our jags just because we like them then we might as well include Sorenson.

KCUnited 02-28-2017 07:08 PM

A couple two tree

Dave Lane 02-28-2017 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 12761835)
Prolly bout tree fiddy

Underrated reference.

BossChief 02-28-2017 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12761846)
He's restricted so it's a difficult call, it might just be a 1-year deal.

Then again, after seeing LDT's contract they might just drop another money bomb on a "favorite". If they give him a long-term deal then they go a little under Ron Parker money.

five-year, $27 million

Hell, if we are going to overpay all our jags just because we like them then we might as well include Sorenson.

Dorsey doesn't let players walk unless there is no other option.

This team is going to be a SB team for a long time if it ever gets a good QB.

ShortRoundChief 02-28-2017 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 12761966)
Dorsey doesn't let players walk unless there is no other option.

This team is going to be a SB team for a long time if it ever gets a good QB.

It's going to be hard to get an elite qb while paying 2 safeties 20 mill per.

Bewbies 02-28-2017 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 12761978)
It's going to be hard to get an elite qb while paying 2 safeties 20 mill per.

Especially when you won't draft em.

Chief Roundup 02-28-2017 07:59 PM

Parker signed his 5 year $25M contract in 2015. I am doubting that Sorensen gets a new contract this off season.

SAUTO 02-28-2017 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 12762011)
Parker signed his 5 year $25M contract in 2015. I am doubting that Sorensen gets a new contract this off season.

So we are going to let a rfa just walk?

Chief Roundup 02-28-2017 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 12762020)
So we are going to let a rfa just walk?

Not what I meant. We will just do the typical one year minimum contract thing. He will not be getting a "CONTRACT" like the OP was trying to insinuate.

SAUTO 02-28-2017 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 12762024)
Not what I meant. We will just do the typical one year minimum contract thing. He will not be getting a "CONTRACT" like the OP was trying to insinuate.

Ok. Got ya.

kcmaxwell 02-28-2017 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 12761835)
Prolly bout tree fiddy

I ain't givin you no damn tree fiddy!!

Mr. Laz 02-28-2017 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 12761966)
Dorsey doesn't let players walk unless there is no other option.

This team is going to be a SB team for a long time if it ever gets a good QB.

The only problem with this organization/team is the QB

got it


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Eleazar 02-28-2017 08:29 PM

I'd muster up a halfhearted shrug if he walked next year. We could do as well in the draft I'm sure.

RunKC 02-28-2017 08:42 PM

I would be completely fine with Eric Murray taking over tbh

TigeRRUppeRRcut 02-28-2017 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12762211)
I would be completely fine with Eric Murray taking over tbh

I have a feeling he is more likely to take Parker's role in the next year or so as his cap hit rises to 7 million

Hog's Gone Fishin 02-28-2017 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 12761842)
Who the **** cares?

Dorsey can find someone from the scrap heap that can do his job just as well as he does it.


WTF ! :cuss:


Have you lost your mind.


Dorsey needs to make Sorenson the 2nd highest paid safwty in the NFL.

oldman 02-28-2017 11:12 PM

I wouldn't mind keeping him but in the neighborhood of $2-2.5M. He always seems to be around the ball. The knock on him this year was that he didn't play the run well. I would point out that in a lot of those situations, he was playing in DJ's spot. That's a pretty unfair comparison in my book.

BlackHelicopters 03-01-2017 07:08 AM

Zero ****s were given.

Hammock Parties 03-01-2017 08:26 AM

He's a role player, not a starter. Those guys don't get big contracts.

Sorensen was the 74th best safety on PFF, 25th in coverage and so bad in run defense the Chiefs mostly took him off the field in those situations, as evidenced by his 127 run snaps.

I'd give him, at most, a three-year $7.5M deal.

Direckshun 03-01-2017 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 12761828)
1 year $1,671,000 RFA original round tender.

Yup.

DJ's left nut 03-01-2017 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 12762020)
So we are going to let a rfa just walk?

They'll give him a solid tender but I expect someone will beat it as the Chiefs would get no compensation for him since he's a UDFA.

They'll tender him, someone with a better cap situation will frontload a 2-year deal and we'll have to let him walk. It won't be the end of the world but he's a versatile guy that I'd rather keep than lose.

But shit happens.

The Franchise 03-01-2017 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12763090)
They'll give him a solid tender but I expect someone will beat it as the Chiefs would get no compensation for him since he's a UDFA.

They'll tender him, someone with a better cap situation will frontload a 2-year deal and we'll have to let him walk. It won't be the end of the world but he's a versatile guy that I'd rather keep than lose.

But shit happens.

Or give him a high tender and cut Reid to make room for him. Or restructure Houston. Or cut Harris.

gblowfish 03-01-2017 11:03 AM

Big slow white Mormon.
He's OK on special teams.
Andy will want to keep him because he's a BYU guy.

DJ's left nut 03-01-2017 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 12763091)
Or give him a high tender and cut Reid to make room for him. Or restructure Houston. Or cut Harris.

I'm not sure restructuring Houston is wise.

In 2018, if they don't restructure him, they can walk away from him and save $15 million in cap space. If nothing else, that should provide some incentive for him to go out there and play some goddamn ball next year.

Because a healthy and productive Justin Houston is a hell of a lot more valuable than anything you'll get from holding onto Dan Sorenson.

If you restructure him, you're stuck with him for at least 2 more seasons after this one even if that knee doesn't respond. And as much as we love the guy, let's not ignore the fact that his best seasons have been during contract drives. He may well be a paycheck player and yes, his paycheck is on the line in 2017.

I wouldn't restructure him. The Chiefs have a TON of flexibility in 2018 if they just ride out this offseason. They'll have Smith, Maclin, Hali and DJ as potential/likely casualties and they'll be at a place where yet another lost season from Houston would allow them to pull the trigger on him and walk away. They could completely re-make this football team and at that point it may not be a bad idea.

The extension has already failed and they can't do anything but mitigate the damages. Don't do anything that might prevent your ability to escape it.

The Franchise 03-01-2017 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12763138)
I'm not sure restructuring Houston is wise.

In 2018, if they don't restructure him, they can walk away from him and save $15 million in cap space. If nothing else, that should provide some incentive for him to go out there and play some goddamn ball next year.

Because a healthy and productive Justin Houston is a hell of a lot more valuable than anything you'll get from holding onto Dan Sorenson.

If you restructure him, you're stuck with him for at least 2 more seasons after this one even if that knee doesn't respond. And as much as we love the guy, let's not ignore the fact that his best seasons have been during contract drives. He may well be a paycheck player and yes, his paycheck is on the line in 2017.

I wouldn't restructure him. The Chiefs have a TON of flexibility in 2018 if they just ride out this offseason. They'll have Smith, Hali and DJ as potential/likely casualties and they'll be at a place where yet another lost season from Houston would allow them to pull the trigger on him and walk away.

The extension has already failed and they can't do anything but mitigate the damages. Don't do anything that might prevent your ability to escape it.

Well then....by all means....get rid of Reid. We can draft an OT in this draft that provides the same thing that he can do. And considering how deep this TE class is, I'd love to draft another TE and dump Harris.

scho63 03-01-2017 11:08 AM

Another overrated great white hope

DJ's left nut 03-01-2017 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 12763143)
Well then....by all means....get rid of Reid. We can draft an OT in this draft that provides the same thing that he can do. And considering how deep this TE class is, I'd love to draft another TE and dump Harris.

Considering how deep this S class is, we could pretty easily replace Sorenson as well. Look at how good the Chiefs have been at plugging/playing at that position.

I'm not saying don't cut Reid; I think he's an easy mark and will likely be replaced by a genuine swing-tackle. And if Jake Butt is available in the 4th because of his injury, sure, grab him and replace Harris (though I am not as down on Harris as some; we knew he was a project and he's developed nicely).

I don't know that Sorenson is the kind of guy you make moves with the express purpose of keeping. Make moves that are smart and if in the process you find a few bucks to make Sorenson's contract slightly better, okay. But don't match a 'poison pill' deal in the cap rollover era because you'll pay for it in short order.

O.city 03-01-2017 11:20 AM

Houston restricted last year iirc

DJ's left nut 03-01-2017 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12763183)
Houston restricted last year iirc

Correct, but his signing bonus was so significant that there wasn't really any way to walk away from him in '17 either way. So it didn't matter because that restructure didn't impact their flexibility much.

If they did it again this year, it would lock them into a situation that I don't think they want to be in. Moreover, it would diminish Houston's motivation for '17.

Again - not a wise decision, IMO.

oldman 03-01-2017 03:17 PM

With this class so loaded at TE, I see no reason to keep hands of stone Harris. And Reid can go, too.

Dayze 03-01-2017 03:21 PM

he's no Sabby Piscatelli

Chief Roundup 03-01-2017 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12763183)
Houston restricted last year iirc

Yeah he was restricted! :Poke:

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TigeRRUppeRRcut 03-11-2017 01:05 PM

Well nobody guessed right.

George got it right about Reid keeping his fellow Mormon around tho.

Mr. Laz 03-11-2017 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12779304)
Well nobody guessed right.

George got it right about Reid keeping his fellow Mormon around tho.

My 2nd guess was pretty close
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12761846)
If they give him a long-term deal then they go a little under Ron Parker money.

Parker 5/25 - 5 per
Sorenson got 4/16 - 4 per

Hey, you didn't say we only got 1 guess. :)

kccrow 03-11-2017 03:16 PM

Kind of weird to be honest. Word was 3 days ago that KC put a 2nd round tender on Sorensen. If that's true, then they matched someone's offer rather than taking a 2nd round pick, which I'd find to be stupid as ****.

Mr. Laz 03-11-2017 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 12779398)
Kind of weird to be honest. Word was 3 days ago that KC put a 2nd round tender on Sorensen. If that's true, then they matched someone's offer rather than taking a 2nd round pick, which I'd find to be stupid as ****.

we are spending a ****-ton on safeties

Berry - a bazillion dollars
Parker - 5/25
Sorenson - 4/16

Bowser 03-11-2017 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12779450)
we are spending a ****-ton on safeties

Berry - a bazillion dollars
Parker - 5/25
Sorenson - 4/16

That's life in the NFL these days. You need playmakers in the defensive backfield with the way the rules slant towards offenses.

TigeRRUppeRRcut 03-11-2017 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12779385)
My 2nd guess was pretty close

Parker 5/25 - 5 per
Sorenson got 4/16 - 4 per

Hey, you didn't say we only got 1 guess. :)

I overlooked your post. If I had rep I would give you some but I've been neg rep gang banged by the lower class mob.


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