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Tell me about these RBs.

Here are the (not well known) RBs I really liked at the Combine. Tell me what you know about them and if you like them:

Donnel Pumphrey, San Diego State
Joe Williams, Utah
Stanley Williams, Kentucky

Donnel Pumphrey had a whole lot of buzz before the start of the season.

San Diego was talking about Heisman...that kind of buzz. IIRC, he broke some of Faulks SDSU records too.

IIRC, he didn't finish the season strong.

Personally, i feel that his frame is too slight to be more than a gadget player at the NFL level. He's not very strong. Take the pads off and he looks like a regular college kid.

I think he's Dexter McCluster in the NFL. He's going to have a tough time breaking tackles and getting the edge in the NFL.

I think Dexter McCluster is absolutely the best NFL comparison.

He's got size on Dex, doesn't he?

[QUOTE=Direckshun;12772082]Here are the (not well known) RBs I really liked at the Combine. Tell me what you know about them and if you like them:

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 12772082)

Donel Pumphrey, San Diego State

Strictly a return guy that could play the slot periodically.

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 12772082)

Joe Williams, Utah

Excellent vision that sees the seam before it actually opens up. Amazing explosive acceleration able to hit 5th gear on demand. Excellent one cut and shoot up the field with great vertical direction at all times. Hits the corner and turns up very quickly but has a tendency to be a bit too impatient not letting his blockers totally set up for him. Very good between the tackles with above average power. Analysis here all based on this highlight youtube clip.

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 12772082)

Stanley Williams, Kentucky

Excellent vision as well with great balance after getting initially hit maintaining live legs. Above average speed and decent acceleration but not explosive, he needs his blockers much longer down the field for a big run. Does an excellent job being patient waiting on his blockers in order to pick the correct seam/hole. Good power for a smaller back especially between the tackles. Does not go down easy. Analysis all based on this youtube clip here.

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Joe Williams Utah - Had some huge game this year with 29 attempts, 332 yards, 4 TD against UCLA, 15 attempts, 181 yards, 2 TDs against Arizona State, 35 attempts, 172 yards, 1 TD against Washington, 23 attempts, 149 yards, 1 TD against Oregon, and 26 attempts, 222 yards, 1 TD against Indiana in their bowl game.

I watched a few of Utah's games and like his speed and quickness. Despite the stats, there were times in games where he was really the second back behind freshman Zack Moss. The previous year he was behind Devontae Booker.

He looked good in the week of practice and then the East West Shrine Game. He had 48 yards including 1 run of 35 yards.

The biggest knocks on him might be his fumbles and retirement. He started off the season fumbling in his first two games against Southern Utah and BYU. He got discouraged and decided to retire and sat out for 4 games. He came back with a vengeance. He finished with fumbling 3 times in his last two games with 2 at Colorado and 1 VS Indiana.

At the combine he ran a 4.41 40, 14 BP, 35 vertical, 4.19 in short shuttle so has excellent speed, quickness, and explosion.

He might be drafted in the 5th - 6th round.

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Originally Posted by Wilson8 (Post 12773539)

Retirement mean he decided to retire(quit) or did he get benched due to fumbles?

Stanley Williams Tookies son led Kentucky in rushing every year he played. Originally a Georgia commit.

Joe Williams is the steal of this draft at RB if he can get his head straight. This fits as I'll also talk up this Utah kid in honor of Sacc.

Combine showed he has the physical skills: 4.4 speed in the 40 yard dash and excelled in the 20 yard shuttle

Averaged 6.7 ypc with 10 touchdowns in his last season at Utah (compare that with Devontae Booker who was their starter in 2015 and averaged 5ypc at Utah before being drafted by Denver). 1400 yards on the ground despite 4 missing games is insane. http://www.espn.com/college-football...6/joe-williams These are Pac 12 teams that he made his b****.

Terrible downsides in what appears to be a lack of commitment to the game, immaturity (UConn ordeal was bad), and fumbling issues.

Definitely feel he is worth using one of our two 3rd round picks (previously round 4/5 guy who had his stock increase after the combine). He's got the speed and the size to be an NFL player. Andy just needs to fix whatever the hell is going on in this kid's head.

I don't understand Pumphrey. He weighs under 170 and he's not fast. That's a recipe for Dexter McCluster.

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 12780627)

I don't understand Pumphrey. He weighs under 170 and he's not fast. That's a recipe for Dexter McCluster.

So... a recipe for being a high 2nd rounder with a multi-million dollar second contract?

God I hate this team sometimes.

Has Christian McCaffrey just completely fallen out of favor? There was a time that it looked like he would be the type of running back Andy dreams about having in this offense....

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 12780671)

So... a recipe for being a high 2nd rounder with a multi-million dollar second contract?

God I hate this team sometimes.

Apparently it's a winning formula.

I need to test my 40 time at some point. I'm bigger than some of these guys and my straight line speed probably isn't more than a couple of seconds slower. The only thing they've got on me is experience and the ability to make cuts.

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 12773544)

Retirement mean he decided to retire(quit) or did he get benched due to fumbles?

He retired all together. Cited some lower body injuries(nothing severe) and felt like his heart wasn't in it. Came back on his own just a few weeks later after injuries destroyed the Ute backfield.

He's a different caliber player than the other two, but he's got real questions

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 12780753)

Has Christian McCaffrey just completely fallen out of favor? There was a time that it looked like he would be the type of running back Andy dreams about having in this offense....

He's my pick if we don't go Mahomes.

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Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 12789812)

He's my pick if we don't go Mahomes.

I wouldn't be upset if we took him, but if we go RB I hope it's Dalvin Cook if he's still there.

Long story from NFL.com, but interesting read.

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Joe Mixon, Dalvin Cook rank atop list of 2017 RB prospects

By Maurice Jones-Drew

Day 1 starters on any team

1) Joe Mixon, Oklahoma: Some may be surprised that the Oklahoma product is at No. 1, considering his controversial past. The off-the-field incident -- which ultimately kept him from being invited to the NFL Scouting Combine -- is a very serious issue that teams will have to examine extensively before the draft.

What I know about Mixon on the football field is that he's without a doubt the best running back in this year's class. He's versatile, a good route runner, accelerates through contact and has great patience. I recently spoke to a coach who attended Oklahoma's pro day, and he told me Mixon was the best player he had seen in the last 10 years at any pro day. The 6-foot-1, 226-pound running back doesn't have many weaknesses when it comes to football. The only concern -- and it's a significant one -- is his maturity and decision-making outside of football.

2) Dalvin Cook, Florida State: Cook has a leg up on most of these guys, just based on the fact that he's coming out of a pro-style offense. He has great speed (he ran a 4.49-second 40-yard dash at the combine), breaks arm tackles and can score from anywhere on the field. He can be a home-run hitter for any team. However, Cook is a high-risk, high-reward player, as he struggled with turnovers in college, recording 13 fumbles in three years at FSU.

3) Leonard Fournette, LSU: Fournette is an explosive back who accelerates through contact and is dangerous in the open field. He is a solid pass blocker but didn't catch the ball much at LSU with an average of 12.7 catches per season. I'm also concerned about his health. He's been banged up with an ankle injury, and the physicality of the game won't get any easier for him.

4) Christian McCaffrey, Stanford: He has short-area quickness and good contact balance. McCaffrey's ability to catch out of the backfield will make him a threat in the passing game for any team. The Stanford standout touched the ball 300-plus times (including returns) in each of the last two seasons. That's a ton. I'm hoping he wasn't overworked too early.

System players

5) Brian Hill, Wyoming: Hill (6-foot-1, 219 pounds) does a good job getting skinny through holes and, like McCaffrey, has good contact balance. He's an explosive runner with good vision, and he produced on a Wyoming team that was less talented than some of the country's top programs. Hill didn't have a big role in the passing game, hauling in eight receptions for 67 yards in 2016. This part of his game must develop.

6) Jamaal Williams, BYU: Williams has a lot of tools at his disposal. He's a very strong runner, has good vision in a zone scheme and is tough to tackle in the open field. He doesn't catch the ball well, though.

7) Alvin Kamara, Tennessee: Kamara's open-field patience reminds me of LeSean McCoy, as both are great out of the backfield. The Tennessee product has good hands and short-area quickness but doesn't have great speed (running a 4.56 40 at the combine). Because he didn't line up in the I-formation much at Tennessee, he rarely runs through tackles, something he must get comfortable with.

8) Samaje Perine, Oklahoma: Perine is a durable, physical runner and keeps his legs driving on contact. A lot of people like this kid, but my concern is his speed and ability to be a threat in the passing game. He's not a third-down guy and notched a 4.65 40 time at the combine earlier this month.

9) Aaron Jones, UTEP: Jones is my sleeper in this draft. He's versatile, runs good routes and moves well in the open field. He is tough to tackle and has decent speed. Jones is a well-rounded running back -- as he touched the ball on nearly every play at UTEP -- and is good at everything, but not great at one thing.

10) Marlon Mack, South Florida: Mack runs extremely high, which will pose a problem at the next level. He is an Adrian Peterson without power. The South Florida back does, however, have great speed, good vision and can score from anywhere on the field.

11) Tarik Cohen, North Carolina A&T: Cohen is special when the ball is in his hands. He's tough to tackle and great in the open field. He sets up blocks well and has good vision, but the league will be a huge jump in competition for him. Can he continue to be the weapon he was in college against much better competition at the next level?

12) Jeremy McNichols, Boise State: McNichols is a very good football player. He runs good routes, has contact balance and solid hands, but he isn't as dynamic as some others in his class. There's just no "wow" factor here.

13) Kareem Hunt, Toledo: He's got short-area quickness -- making defenders miss in a small area -- and has good hands. I'm impressed with his leg drive on contact (picture Marshawn Lynch-type runs). His speed could be an issue, though, as he ran a 4.62 40 at the combine.

14) D'Onta Foreman, Texas: Foreman has good speed for a 6-foot, 233-pound back. He breaks a lot of tackles with his explosive, downhill running style. He played in a spread system at Texas and was involved very little in the passing game. That's something he'll need to become more comfortable with going forward, and it'll take some time to learn how to play in a pro-style offense.

15) Donnel Pumphrey, San Diego State: Pumphrey is fast, quick and patient when the ball is in his hands. His 5-8, 176-pound frame is a concern, because I just don't know if he can last at the next level. And getting bigger will take away from what he does best.

16) James Conner, Pittsburgh: What a feel-good story. Like Eric Berry, Conner had Hodgkin lymphoma and is a cancer survivor. Now healthy, Connor looks to be an impact player in the NFL. He is a big back who is very physical, explosive with his shoulders and finishes runs. He is a true downhill runner as a first- and second-down back. Can Conner be a threat out of the backfield? He didn't line up outside, so there are question marks about his ability to impact the passing game.

Need time to develop

17) Wayne Gallman, Clemson: Gallman catches the ball well out of the backfield but gets lost at times in pass protection. As a shifty back, he's a tough open-field runner. I'd like to see him run with a lower pad level and accelerate through contact.

18) De'Angelo Henderson, Coastal Carolina: Some people say Henderson reminds them of me when I played, but I still need to be convinced. The Coastal Carolina RB is a strong runner and has a good jump cut. Not to mention, the guy knows how to score. He got in the end zone in 35 straight games in college. The competition level will be a huge jump for Henderson, and he'll need to learn how to read out of the I-formation.

19) T.J. Logan, North Carolina: Logan excels in the open field and has great speed as a return specialist. He must be more physical and improve on lowering his pad level when running the ball if he wants to be more involved in the ground game at the next level.

20) Christopher Carson, Oklahoma State: Carson has good size at 6-feet, 218 pounds, explodes through holes at the line of scrimmage and has a nose for the end zone. He's patient in the run game and has decent hands in the pass game. But I think Carson needs to show more want in pass protection by being more physical. He carries the ball in his right hand only. That will need to change.

21) Matt Dayes, North Carolina State: The N.C. State product is hard to tackle in the open field and has good hands. Although being a shifty runner can play as a strength, he needs to learn to run with a low pad level. He comes through holes too high at times.

22) Corey Clement, Wisconsin: This downhill runner is a first- and second-down back. Clement has nice feet -- getting them in and out of bad positions -- for his size (5-10, 220 pounds). He does a good job at breaking tackles but needs to work on pass routes, which is why he likely won't be used on third and fourth down. His speed could also use a boost after he ran a 4.68 40 in Indy.

23) Elijah Hood, North Carolina: A strong and physical player, Hood finishes runs and will be a solid first- and second-down guy in the NFL. He's got good vision and runs with a low pad level. The knock against this kid is he doesn't catch the ball out of the backfield.

24) Elijah McGuire, Louisiana-Lafayette: McGuire is a quick, physical runner who accelerates through contact. He has the potential to be involved in the passing game with good hands. Like many of these guys, it'll take him time to learn a pro-style offense after playing in a spread system in college.

25) Justin Davis, USC: Davis has an Arian Foster-like running style as a one-cut runner. Davis has good vision and good hands, but I want to see him run with more power and use a stiff-arm or shake defenders off. He lets too many players get to his body.

26) Devine Redding, Indiana: Redding is a one-cut runner with good vision and acceleration through the hole. He's another prospect who will have to learn a pro-style offense. He's likely going to be a player who will get first downs, not touchdowns.

27) De'Veon Smith, Michigan: He is a strong runner, but he isn't very elusive and doesn't make people miss. Smith needs to develop open-field moves to shake off defenders.

28) Rushel Shell, West Virginia: Shell is comparable to Smith. He's a good north-south runner, and developing open-field moves will make him more versatile. Shell must improve his catching ability and speed.

29) Jahad Thomas, Temple: Thomas is quick and shifty and can improve his game by becoming an inside runner. He must lower his pad level and burst through the hole.

30) Dare Ogunbowale, Wisconsin: This Wisconsin RB runs with great lean and has good feet and short-area quickness. As a third-down back, Ogunbowale, who ran a slow 4.65 40, will move the chains but isn't going to be the guy getting in the end zone.

31) Stanley Williams, Kentucky: Williams has decent vision, good hands and short-area quickness. The Kentucky product doesn't run through contact consistently and will have to learn how to be effective in a pro-style offense.

32) Joe Williams, Utah: Williams is very fast with good feet, but there's not much else to his skill set. He had a monster game against UCLA last season, recording over 300 rushing yards, and every run was a sprint. Becoming more elusive will improve his stock.

33) Tyvis Smith, Northern Iowa: Smith is a physical runner who keeps his feet driving on contact. He is a downhill runner with decisive burst but needs to improve on speed and open-field moves. I also question the competition he faced while at Northern Iowa. (However, fellow former Panther David Johnson had no problem adjusting.)

34) Tarean Folston, Notre Dame: Folston is a tough runner and has good quickness and vision. He suffered a season-ending knee injury in 2015 and looked somewhat hesitant in his first year of recovery. Hopefully, his injury won't hold him back.

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 12789821)

I wouldn't be upset if we took him, but if we go RB I hope it's Dalvin Cook if he's still there.

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Joe Williams claims he left the team (and some of his UConn issues) because of mental illness. If that truly is the cased and he is getting the help he needs, there's hope he'll turn it around.

MJD wrote this? Interesting. Thought Kamara Pumphrey and would be higher.

So Mixon in the 3rd them? He can bunk w/Tyreek at camp.

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 12789821)

I wouldn't be upset if we took him, but if we go RB I hope it's Dalvin Cook if he's still there.

I felt the same way until I heard of his off field issues as well.

"off-field issues" have been mentioned regarding Cook. Cook was suspended for allegedly punching a woman outside a Tallahassee bar in 2015 -- it wasn't caught on video like Joe Mixon -- and Cook was also cited in 2014 for leaving three pitbull puppies chained up by their necks in an unsheltered area, resulting in a $550 fine. Cook apparently had two more non-detailed run-ins with police at Florida State.

I've heard a few reports of scouts saying they are more comfortable with Mixon than Cook in the long-run.

I want TJ Logan from UNC the kid is the perfect back to pair with Ware

Tell me about these RBs.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/dra...t-dalvin-cook/

3 BEST TEAM FITS FOR RUNNING BACK PROSPECT DALVIN COOK

What he does best:

Outstanding vision, patience to allow blocks to develop playside but also decisive when presented with backside opportunities.
Breaks long runs in spite of his blocking. Home run waiting to happen.
Great fit in an outside zone scheme, best using his instincts to pick lanes and athleticism on the move.
Elite acceleration ensures consistent big-play potential.
Sufficient long speed to outrun defenders. Angle-changing speed.
Able to make defenders miss at full speed, finished tops in elusive rating.
Aggressive north/south runner, rarely looks to bounce plays outside.
Not always searching for big play. Rarely takes losses, keeps the offense ahead of the chains.
Even behind subpar run-blocking in 2016, made the most of it and showed the ability to take what is given.

Kansas City Chiefs:

Andy Reid might not be able to use Cook creatively as a pass-catcher, but Charcandrick West and Spencer Ware can fulfill those specialist roles. As bad as Cook’s ball security is at times, Ware’s issues in that regard are at least similarly serious. Reid loves to test the speed of defenses horizontally – calling outside zone on 42.8 percent of runs in 2016 – making Cook a good fit for the Chiefs’ scheme. He would instantly improve Kansas City’s ball-control offense, regardless of who is under center. If he falls toward the end of the first-round, Reid’s penchant for waiting to draft backs will be tested. Sitting at 27th overall, the Chiefs appear a strong candidate to stop a potential Cook slide.

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