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Quesadilla Joe 04-17-2017 12:12 PM

Reid on drafting Alex's replacement: "(Alex) understands how this works"
 
"He's long enough in his career to understand how all of this works." -- coach Andy Reid on quarterback Alex Smith and the possibility the Chiefs might draft his eventual successor

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Halfcan 04-17-2017 12:15 PM

Keywords.. his "eventual successor".

When, after 5 more years of playoff disappointments?

Discuss Thrower 04-17-2017 12:17 PM

Pretty sure Aaron Murray was supposed to be Alex's successor.


That turned out well, didn't it?

staylor26 04-17-2017 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 12827820)
Keywords.. his "eventual successor".

When, after 5 more years of playoff disappointments?

This is just silly. Even if we draft a QB, he's not starting till next year. Besides, that wasn't even Reid who chose those words.

notorious 04-17-2017 12:20 PM

Sigh

Hammock Parties 04-17-2017 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 12827824)
Pretty sure Aaron Murray was supposed to be Alex's successor.


That turned out well, didn't it?

I'm OK with it.

http://nextimpulsesports.com/wp-cont...015/06/mcd.jpg

Pasta Little Brioni 04-17-2017 01:00 PM

Sandy's Butt Cheeks will have none of it

Mr. Laz 04-17-2017 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 12827824)
Pretty sure Aaron Murray was supposed to be Alex's successor.


That turned out well, didn't it?

A 5th round pick is not a plan for anything.

It's taking a shot.

staylor26 04-17-2017 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12827894)
A 5th round pick is not a plan for anything.

It's taking a shot.

Exactly. Such a stupid ****ing post from the worst poster on this board IMO.

DJ's left nut 04-17-2017 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12827894)
A 5th round pick is not a plan for anything.

It's taking a shot.

What, you don't think Demarcus Robinson was drafted as the clear heir apparent to Jeremy Maclin?

Anything after the 3rd round isn't a 'plan' for anything. It's a hope that a player works out and if he does, you'll go from there.

If you're drafting 4th rounders with the expectation that they're going to knock starters out of the lineup, you have some pretty shitty starters. Aaron Murray was a noble experiment (and, IMO, more of an attempt to find a credible, low-cost backup than a replacement for Smith) who just didn't work out.

Gonna see that a hell of a lot more often than you don't in the 5th round and later...

Mr. Laz 04-17-2017 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12827900)
What, you don't think Demarcus Robinson was drafted as the clear heir apparent to Jeremy Maclin?

Anything after the 3rd round isn't a 'plan' for anything. It's a hope that a player works out and if he does, you'll go from there.

If you're drafting 4th rounders with the expectation that they're going to knock starters out of the lineup, you have some pretty shitty starters. Aaron Murray was a noble experiment (and, IMO, more of an attempt to find a credible, low-cost backup than a replacement for Smith) who just didn't work out.

Gonna see that a hell of a lot more often than you don't in the 5th round and later...

A 5th round pick might be a viable plan for some positions

5th round - offensive guard (you might really be planning on him doing something)

5th round - kick returner/punter returner :thumb:

etc,etc

Not the quarterback position though.

I don't care how often the Patriots say that they knew that Brady was a stud. They got lucky.

Discuss Thrower 04-17-2017 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12827898)
Exactly. Such a stupid ****ing post from the worst poster on this board IMO.

Bold of you to say that...


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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 11575565)
I agree. This is what we're doing with Murray and why I think he will be our QBOTF.


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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 11691477)
I've been getting laughed at on CP all offseason when I try to suggest we have our QBOTF on our team already.

I'm not crowning him, but this guy is not Stanzi/Croyle/Printers etc. He's not a joke that should just be dismissed. He's a legit talent and has the "it" factor to succeed at this level. It doesn't hurt that he's a perfect fit for Reid's offense and gets to sit and learn behind two guys like Smith and Daniel.


staylor26 04-17-2017 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 12827904)
Bold of you to say that...

How I felt about Murray vs. how the Chiefs felt about Murray are two different things. I've admitted over and over again to being wrong about Murray.

If somebody like me that thought he could be the QBOTF can clearly see they never felt the same way, how can you not?

DJ's left nut 04-17-2017 01:36 PM

If the Chiefs had any belief that Aaron Murray was going to make Alex Smith expendable, they wouldn't have taken D'Anthony Thomas in the 4th and just hoped/prayed that this franchise signal caller fell to them a round later.

You know what teams think about quarterbacks based on where they draft them. This isn't a position they're willing to **** around and game the system on because if they read the board wrong, the consequences are just too great. That's why you can say the Cowboys just got ****ing lucky with Dak - he wasn't anywhere near the top of their board but Jerrah was dead set on taking a QB and by the 4th, that was who he had available to him. If Cody Kessler was still available he may well have taken him - he wanted a quarterback and that was the guy left standing. The 'boys got lucky.

If you think you see a starting QB on the board, you take him by the end of the 2nd - period. Otherwise you're just hoping you get lucky with a turd you can polish into a competent game manager.

OldSchool 04-17-2017 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 12827824)
Pretty sure Aaron Murray was supposed to be Alex's successor.


That turned out well, didn't it?

The only people who thought that were the typical idiots of this board. ROFL

Mr. Laz 04-17-2017 01:48 PM

Andy Reid has not 'pushed' the development of any young QB since he's been here.

You can tell when a team is really trying to push the success of a young QB.

We haven't.

Every young QB we've draft under Reid is gone except Bray. I believe that's because Bray has been so easy to keep. I don't believe he even used(because he was on IR) a roster spot until 2016. He's our token young guy to keep around so the Chiefs can look like they are trying.

If we don't pick a QB this year OR set up a play to get a QB next year(ie trade for more picks next year etc.) then that is all you need to know about what Reid really thinks about Alex Smith.

Mr. Laz 04-17-2017 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 12827925)
The only people who thought that were the typical idiots of this board. ROFL

Most of us were just hoping, more than anything.

staylor26 04-17-2017 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12827930)
Most of us were just hoping, more than anything.

Yup, I loved Murray, but there's no denying that it was wishful thinking on my part.

RunKC 04-17-2017 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12827916)
If the Chiefs had any belief that Aaron Murray was going to make Alex Smith expendable, they wouldn't have taken D'Anthony Thomas in the 4th and just hoped/prayed that this franchise signal caller fell to them a round later.

You know what teams think about quarterbacks based on where they draft them. This isn't a position they're willing to **** around and game the system on because if they read the board wrong, the consequences are just too great. That's why you can say the Cowboys just got ****ing lucky with Dak - he wasn't anywhere near the top of their board but Jerrah was dead set on taking a QB and by the 4th, that was who he had available to him. If Cody Kessler was still available he may well have taken him - he wanted a quarterback and that was the guy left standing. The 'boys got lucky.

If you think you see a starting QB on the board, you take him by the end of the 2nd - period. Otherwise you're just hoping you get lucky with a turd you can polish into a competent game manager.

We all know they wanted Lynch, but apparently they wanted Connor Cook before Dak, so they would have passed on him again if the Raiders didn't swoop up and nab Cook.

God I wish that one ****ing time we're the team that gets lucky.

Discuss Thrower 04-17-2017 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12827911)
How I felt about Murray vs. how the Chiefs felt about Murray are two different things. I've admitted over and over again to being wrong about Murray.

If somebody like me that thought he could be the QBOTF can clearly see they never felt the same way, how can you not?

Because it's a take driven more through seeing things through red-and-yellow colored glasses more so than you in particular having insight that's beyond that of anyone else on this board as well as the "experts" in the media and how things played out in that particular draft class

Murray's injured knee caused his draft stock to fall, absolutely. But to the fifth round? And passed up in favor of Logan Thomas getting selected by the Cards where Murray's pedigree as a career-ranked SEC passer would have made a lot more sense to clipboard hold for a season or two behind Palmer and Stanton?

Nah. 32 FOs had him pegged fairly in retrospect as a career backup at best and an also-ran QB washout at worst.

Discuss Thrower 04-17-2017 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12827916)
If you think you see a starting QB on the board, you take him by the end of the 2nd - period. Otherwise you're just hoping you get lucky with a turd you can polish into a competent game manager.

That's how I'd think most FOs value QBotF prospects now -especially since the arrival of Russell Wilson.

You don't look like too much of a genius waiting to nab a potential starter in the 3rd round if someone else beats you to the punch.

RunKC 04-17-2017 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12827928)
Andy Reid has not 'pushed' the development of any young QB since he's been here.

You can tell when a team is really trying to push the success of a young QB.

We haven't.

Every young QB we've draft under Reid is gone except Bray. I believe that's because Bray has been so easy to keep. I don't believe he even used(because he was on IR) a roster spot until 2016. He's our token young guy to keep around so the Chiefs can look like they are trying.

If we don't pick a QB this year OR set up a play to get a QB next year(ie trade for more picks next year etc.) then that is all you need to know about what Reid really thinks about Alex Smith.

I agree Laz.

If the Chiefs don't take a QB in the first 2 rounds, it's not trying. And this year guys like Peterman will be taken in rd 2.

Enough with the bullshit. If the Chiefs show us that they don't care next week, I won't be wasting time watching the Chiefs on Sundays until they do.

Mr. Laz 04-17-2017 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12827940)
I agree Laz.

If the Chiefs don't take a QB in the first 2 rounds, it's not trying. And this year guys like Peterman will be taken in rd 2.

Enough with the bullshit. If the Chiefs show us that they don't care next week, I won't be wasting time watching the Chiefs on Sundays until they do.

What will you do if the Chiefs trade out of the 1st rd this year for another 2nd rd pick and a 1st round pick next year?

or something similar

DJ's left nut 04-17-2017 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12827940)
I agree Laz.

If the Chiefs don't take a QB in the first 2 rounds, it's not trying. And this year guys like Peterman will be taken in rd 2.

Enough with the bullshit. If the Chiefs show us that they don't care next week, I won't be wasting time watching the Chiefs on Sundays until they do.

Too much smoke around Mahomes at this point, IMO.

If they want him, they have to REALLY want him because I don't know that he'll even see 20 at this point. It may take your 1st, 2nd and next year's 2nd to get up ahead of Arizona if you really want Mahomes. I can't tell you how much I hated hearing the positive reports coming out of their camp because now you're talking about getting all the way up to Cleveland or NO's picks and those guys already have multiple 1sts so they may be all the more difficult to deal with.

DJ's left nut 04-17-2017 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12827949)
What will you do if the Chiefs trade out of the 1st rd this year for another 2nd rd pick and a 1st round pick next year?

or something similar

They won't get that much.

Dorsey took a bag of magic beans to move out of the 1st last year. Why should we expect he'll suddenly get an extra 1st for his troubles?

Mr. Laz 04-17-2017 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12827954)
They won't get that much.

Dorsey took a bag of magic beans to move out of the 1st last year. Why should we expect he'll suddenly get an extra 1st for his troubles?

He wouldn't be gaining an extra 1st

He would be swapping a 1st this year for a 1st next year

gaining an extra 2nd rounder this year

RunKC 04-17-2017 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12827951)
Too much smoke around Mahomes at this point, IMO.

If they want him, they have to REALLY want him because I don't know that he'll even see 20 at this point. It may take your 1st, 2nd and next year's 2nd to get up ahead of Arizona if you really want Mahomes. I can't tell you how much I hated hearing the positive reports coming out of their camp because now you're talking about getting all the way up to Cleveland or NO's picks and those guys already have multiple 1sts so they may be all the more difficult to deal with.

I'm telling you man. Colts at 14. Dorsey has talked to Ballard about something. He has to.
The draft value chart shows that we could trade 27, our 3rd and a 2018 2nd for the value of pick 14.

I think they could set that deal up and see if Arizona takes one. If Mahomes or Watson is there, do it.

DJ's left nut 04-17-2017 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12827970)
He wouldn't be gaining an extra 1st

He would be swapping a 1st this year for a 1st next year

gaining an extra 2nd rounder this year

Which is still a hell of a lot more than he got last year.

He gave up his 1st for a 2nd and 4th last season. You're saying he'll give up his 1st for a 2nd and next year's 1st.

So essentially you're expecting him to move up, what, 800 points in draft return? If he gets a 1st next season, he'll have to trade into the 3rd, not the 2nd.

DJ's left nut 04-17-2017 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12827986)
I'm telling you man. Colts at 14. Dorsey has talked to Ballard about something. He has to.
The draft value chart shows that we could trade 27, our 3rd and a 2018 2nd for the value of pick 14.

I think they could set that deal up and see if Arizona takes one. If Mahomes or Watson is there, do it.

Watson sucks.

If Mahomes makes it past Arizona, you may still have to move up that high to stay ahead of Houston but when I say there's too much smoke, I mean I'm pretty damn worried that he doesn't get past Arizona.

ChiefAshhole1056 04-17-2017 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12827993)
Watson sucks.

If Mahomes makes it past Arizona, you may still have to move up that high to stay ahead of Houston but when I say there's too much smoke, I mean I'm pretty damn worried that he doesn't get past Arizona.

I agree.. Arizona is pretty much in the same boat as KC when it comes to "needs".

TigeRRUppeRRcut 04-17-2017 03:06 PM

“He’s been on a six week workout program over in Hawaii,” Reid said. “He’s in phenomenal shape right now.”

Give the guy props, he works hard and wants to win... meanwhile there are many others satisfied doing the same old thing and just collecting paychecks.

Hammock Parties 04-17-2017 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12828043)
“He’s been on a six week workout program over in Hawaii,” Reid said. “He’s in phenomenal shape right now.”

Give the guy props, he works hard and wants to win... meanwhile there are many others satisfied doing the same old thing and just collecting paychecks.

OH MAN AN NFL PLAYER WORKS OUT IN ONE OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL PLACES ON EARTH

WHAT A GREAT GUY

Discuss Thrower 04-17-2017 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ASS11 (Post 12828044)
OH MAN AN NFL PLAYER WORKS OUT IN ONE OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL PLACES ON EARTH

WHAT A GREAT GUY

He's got a hot wife and millions of dollars and you don't.

Alex > you








/s

BigBeauford 04-17-2017 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ASS11 (Post 12828044)
OH MAN AN NFL PLAYER WORKS OUT IN ONE OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL PLACES ON EARTH

WHAT A GREAT GUY

Dwayne Bowe worked out with Larry Fitzgerald. He was in amazing shape.

RealSNR 04-17-2017 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12828043)
“He’s been on a six week workout program over in Hawaii,” Reid said. “He’s in phenomenal shape right now.”

Give the guy props, he works hard and wants to win... meanwhile there are many others satisfied doing the same old thing and just collecting paychecks.

If he really wanted to win, he'd grow a ****ing pair in the playoffs.

He's been "playing within himself" for a long ****ing time. It worked when his career was off the tracks and he got a 2nd chance in San Francisco after being benched. It got the team some wins, and made him more of a viable QB around the league.

Usually a REAL pro will take that experience and then push themselves out of their comfort zones gradually. That's how everybody does it.

Alex has stayed in the same stupid shitty mediocre comfort zone ever since Harbaugh came to San Francisco. He hasn't once ever dared to evolve or challenge or push himself.

He maybe works hard, but he doesn't work smart, and he sure as shit doesn't know what's good for him OR the team.


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