Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 12863837)

Andy Reid says it takes 3-4 years to learn his offense. Smith should have that in the bag now. I think the last part of Andy's install is the part where he teaches the QB to look downfield so this year all the pieces of Andy's complex puzzle are in place.

Plus Smiff is playing for a contract now.

Feel free to discuss.

Originally Posted by loochy (Post 12863858)

I don't get it. I don't see a punchline. OP, please explain this joke.

Originally Posted by ChiefGator (Post 12863860)

Joke?

No joke.. super-serious.

Buckle in for the ride of your lifetime this year.

EDIT: Although I'm pretty sure Alex Smith already mastered the 34.2% of the playbook necessary to succeed by last year.

Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 12863853)

We hear that every year in training camp. Every year. They even throw a few downfield in practice to get everyone's hopes up. But when the real bullets start flying, it's just not in Smith's DNA. Not gonna happen.

Originally Posted by ChiefGator (Post 12863860)

Joke?

No joke.. super-serious.

Buckle in for the ride of your lifetime this year.

EDIT: Although I'm pretty sure Alex Smith already mastered the 34.2% of the playbook necessary to succeed by last year.

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 12863884)

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Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 12863938)

Where do I dontate?


Link please.

Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 12863938)

Where do I dontate?


Link please.

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 12863863)

so it takes Vick walking right out of jail and 1 season to look downfield in Andys offense but Alex needs 5 seasons to do that in Andys offense lol?

Originally Posted by ILChief (Post 12864059)

Good maybe a suckered team will trade a pick for him

Originally Posted by 65TPT (Post 12864066)

Smith is a good QB to stabilize a team with.

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 12864058)

You know what comment about Mahomes (that Andy Reid made during rookie minicamp) that really stood out to me?

He said twice that Pat isn't "afraid" to throw deep.

I thought that was an interesting choice of word.

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 12864078)

After he gets smoked from his blind side by an NFL Defensive End he might have second thoughts about throwing deep.

Obviously Happened to Alex on the first play of his career .

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 12863863)

so it takes Vick walking right out of jail and 1 season to look downfield in Andys offense but Alex needs 5 seasons to do that in Andys offense lol?

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 12864102)

When did this become a good pass pro line?

When we drafted mahomes? When pff said it was?

You blamed them all year last year...

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 12863884)

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 12864108)

I'm honestly expecting you assholes to attempt something like this.

Leave him alone, shut up, enjoy Alex Smith's final season where we probably win a playoff game. It's a relief, you don't even have to worry about Alex's downfield passing.

Throw all the lateral passes you want man, go hog wild.

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks (Post 12864106)

Not accurate. I blamed them for their poor run blocking for much of the year... not the pass pro. The pass pro had clearly crawled from out of the bottom tier and into a good place.

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 12864122)

I'm on my phone so I can't run a search, but just by memory you are full of shit.

I'm sure you had those posts saying they were acceptable, but you do that with everything. Then your true feelings come out and you blame them.

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks (Post 12864129)

You are doing the same sorry shit that you bitch and accuse others of... you now making shit up to feed an agenda. :facepalm:

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 12864133)

We'll see.

I can guarantee you have flip flopped on that since the season.

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks (Post 12864187)

Nope. Been bitching all year about the lack of run game, and my belief that the problem in that was OL + predictable scheme.

OL pass pro is mostly fine by me.. though when they screw up, it's usually in quick fashion, and at horrible moments.

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 12864197)

I bet you called our line bottom 10 overall last season multiple times.


But luckily for you I won't have any internet access except for this phone for at least the next five days and won't give a **** about you or this by then.

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 12864108)

I'm honestly expecting you assholes to attempt something like this.

Leave him alone, shut up, enjoy Alex Smith's final season where we probably win a playoff game. It's a relief, you don't even have to worry about Alex's downfield passing.

Throw all the lateral passes you want man, go hog wild.

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks (Post 12864210)

tap out accepted.. now go back to turning those wrenches, grease-monkey.

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 12864197)

I bet you called our line bottom 10 overall last season multiple times.


But luckily for you I won't have any internet access except for this phone for at least the next five days and won't give a **** about you or this by then.

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks (Post 12464677)

Good on you. Not one of the MANY crybaby bitches screaming the sky is falling.

I'd say 10-6, but if the OL can get above bottom tier, and Houston returns to be effective? yeah, maybe more than 10. :clap:

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks (Post 12466372)

Oh, it's all good.

To answer, I'd say "a fault" of Alex's is that he is extremely obedient. He has a small area of flexibility in changing plays, but overall, he's just a dull soldier who will pretty much follow the orders given. ...

I'm almost hopeful he'll retire or leave KC, if this season continues its shit-show on offense.

I'm still not buying in that he is the primary problem... but I did expect him to be carrying the offense better than this. I also expected a better OL and less receiver/Ware fumbles than I am seeing. I also expected Andy/Alex to become more aggressive in this yr 4.

.....

... and obviously, sinking this offense is not the same as lifting it out of the water. Apparently Alex is not good enough to lift the playcalling, bottom tier OL, and frequent skill player ****ups.. out of the water. Find a QB that can? hey... go for it. How many QBs out there are there that can do so? 3? 5? and are they available?

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks (Post 12513268)

At this point, it would be hard to argue against Carr as to "brighter future" as you put it. His early successes and youth would suggest it.

That said, we have seen many a young QB have early success, only to later fizzle out or regress a bit over time. Whether the opposition evolves to better learn their weaknesses and exploit them? or whether the player's game slips for other reasons (loses talent around him, gets lazy or sloppy fundamentals due to the early success, or loses confidence at some point).

I don't think Smith needs things to be as wonderful around him as it sounds in your last comments.. but he does need more than brokedicks and incompetence around him. He needs better WRs than what he had against NE last season. He needs an OL that doesn't constanty live in the bottom tier. Would be nice if the Chiefs' best players could actually be healthy enough for a change.

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks (Post 12575469)

The KC OL has not been ass this year, and has received very little criticism this year. They are not good or top 10, but they are also not quite bottom 10 either. The 2012 OL was actually good for SF.

Beyond that, yes.. Smith has had lots of poor pass pro OLs... and has had highly underwhelming WR talent around him. Until now.. and that's still contingent on JMac getting off his ass to help.

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks (Post 12643184)

was valid, but dude was a bit of an ass about it.

The OL looked to have done a decent job against DEN, to me. Sure.. there were times that Ware had to make his yards on his own. Times where Smith took some crazy quick pressures/hits. That's just gonna happen against that D, and when the KC line is more finesse than brute force.

Not at all a great OL this season, as hoped, but they are also out of the bottom tier for the first time in the Andy era.

Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 12864229)

It is interesting that some are quick to insist no one is rooting for Mahomes to be rushed to the field. Yet, when there's an entire conversation about flying banners and tanking the team and praying for injury, whatever it takes to get him into the lineup ASAFingP, if not sooner, . . . that's the time that this same 'some' pick yet another fight with Sandy about ancient history.

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 12864236)

ROFL.
I haven't done any of that you are talking about, and I'm the one have a discussion with Sandy. You can **** yourself too.

Originally Posted by RippedmyFlesh (Post 12864216)

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 12864242)

And FTR I didn't "pick a fight" I called a hypocrite a hypocrite.

You can't blame the line when Smith ****s up and then say mahomes will benefit from our "Good pass pro line"...

Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 12864251)

Sorry, couldn't hear you. Too busy compliantly ****ing myself, as with any other time I've had the poor judgment to enter your purview.

1,000,000 apologies.

Oops, 1,000,001.

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 12864255)

I can't help it that you said something ignorant again.

Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 12864251)

My point is, you might have a little more long term credibility is just once when the reeruns resume their spamming you dropped even a succinct 'bug off dudes, you're making us look reeruned.'

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 12864275)

I've got plenty of credibility here.

And Sandy, tigger, and their merry band of dupes can't make "us" look like anything, they aren't a part of "us".

Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 12864270)

Yeah, it's starting to sink in. Jason is not a person to converse with, unless it's totally on his terms and fully cognizant of his superiority over the hoi polloi.

Actually, I'm having a hard time figuring how conversing with the esteemed Jason could ever be pleasant, unless you're a self-hating masochist.

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 12864275)

I've got plenty of credibility here.

And Sandy, tigger, and their merry band of dupes can't make "us" look like anything, they aren't a part of "us".

Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 12864286)

I remember when being a fan was rooting for the team to thrive.

Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 12864286)

So you admit you're lying to cover for those who want Mahomes rushed into the lineup, but it's OK because they're your friends.

I remember when being a fan was rooting for the team to thrive.

I get it, the world is passing me by.

I'll get out of your guys' hair.

Originally Posted by loochy (Post 12864290)

It is. That's why we don't like Alex Smith.
Posted via Mobile Device

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 12864297)

what the **** are you talking about? I haven't lied about anything. Read the ****ing posts.

Discuss quoted his posts from October, he was full of shit as was your first post on this subject.

Once again, like I said earlier...

Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 12864310)

I'm not talking about the specifics of your umpteenth spat with Sandy. Couldn't care less.

I'm observing the irony that your conducting said spat smack dab in the middle of a clamoring for Mahomes to take the field immediately, if not sooner, which you denied anyone was doing.

Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 12864310)

I'm not talking about the specifics of your umpteenth spat with Sandy. Couldn't care less.

I'm observing the irony that your conducting said spat smack dab in the middle of a clamoring for Mahomes to take the field immediately, if not sooner, which you denied anyone was doing.

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 12863884)

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Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 12863938)

Where do I dontate?


Link please.

Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 12864286)

So you admit you're lying to cover for those who want Mahomes rushed into the lineup, but it's OK because they're your friends.

I remember when being a fan was rooting for the team to thrive.

I get it, the world is passing me by.

I'll get out of your guys' hair.

Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 12864307)

This isn't even about Alex. It's about being so deranged about the QB position that people don't even care about anything regarding the team, except for playing the QB lottery until they turn over a magic Brady.

Fortunately, the organization itself is run by professionals who know the value of developing the entire team AS WELL AS targeting a promising QB prospect.

The current competence of the franchise does not detract from the woeful state of the fanbase.

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 12864334)

Where's did I deny that in this thread? Where did I lie?

Sure there are idiots saying start him right away, BUT the majority is ok with being patient.

You keep on with your false narrative though, seems to be a strong suit of yours.

Originally Posted by kysirsoze (Post 12864345)

Gonna need some citation here. I have read every post of the Mahomes thread (god help me) and the "rush him in posts" are very few and far between. In fact I think there has rarely been such a clear consensus on CP that prudence is the proper course.

Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 12864354)

If I can admit a weakness, can you do similar?

As a show of faith, I'll start. idiots saying start him right away irritate me more than they should. Better to ignore them.

Perhaps you can admit a similar dynamic of legitimate irritation, but outsized attention, in the responses to your hated Alexsexuals?

Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 12864361)

It's called incrementalism. Dude has been a draft pick for all of a week, and we haven't had so much as a single preseason, let along regular season, 3&out, let alone an INT, or low scoring game.

I'm just trying to be prophylactic against yet another season where it's impossible to enjoy ANYTHING about the team, because all the oxygen is taken up by those grumbling about the entirety of history of the franchise regarding the QB position.

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 12864365)

What is this place for? I'll admit I can't stand some asshole coming in here and telling us how we should feel about our team, I hate having to hear all the excuses for alex now hearing them flip and talk about those excuses like they are now something positive FOR mahomes.

I make sure to point that out so people don't confuse their opinions as credible.

If you happen to take offense to that you can take my advice from earlier, once again.

Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 12864369)

It's here for you. It's all here for you and you alone, dude.

All others can **** off, I get it.

Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 12864361)

It's called incrementalism. Dude has been a draft pick for all of a week, and we haven't had so much as a single preseason, let along regular season, 3&out, let alone an INT, or low scoring game.

I'm just trying to be prophylactic against yet another season where it's impossible to enjoy ANYTHING about the team, because all the oxygen is taken up by those grumbling about the entirety of history of the franchise regarding the QB position.

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 12864378)

Remember baby girl, you are the one bitching about a small portion talking about starting him right away and taking away YOUR oxygen and enjoyment...

Originally Posted by kysirsoze (Post 12864380)

I get that, and I'm sure people will turn on Alex and demand Mahomes at some point. But as of now the conversation is pretty rational. I'll take that for as long as I can get it. As for cries for the rookie phenom backup to be put in, every fanbase in the history of the NFL has been susceptible to that. We will be no exception, your prophylactic measures notwithstanding.

Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 12864383)

Couple questions.

Did you find last season, whether as a whole, or in moments, entertaining?
Did the culture here add to or subtract from the level of entertainment experienced?

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12864386)

I've enjoyed every season since Reid got here. Save the 1 and 5 start of 15, that sucked a little.

Last season was fun though. The prime time games were awesome.