Hunt and Dorsey
 

Everyone wants to make this about Andy Reid. Maybe this had nothing to do with Reid. Maybe this was 100% between Hunt and Dorsey (for whatever reason).

I remember the awkward moment they had on draft day when Mahomes was drafted. Watch the last 10 seconds or so of this video. Maybe it's nothing, but it sure looked awkward. The fumbled hand shake degenerating to a hand/fist bump; then Dorsey puts both hands behind his back and Clark gives Dorsey his back as he walks off with no further interaction. I'm no psychologist, but that looks like some awkward body language to me, especially between an owner and GM that just made a bold move to get a franchise qb.

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Awesome we needed another Dorsey thread.

I thought about that awkward moment on draft day too

I can think of at least two more, just say the word and I'll grant your wish...

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I never even noticed that until you pointed it out but yeah I think you're right

The Chiefs gambled pretty big on Mahomes.
The Chiefs front-office folk look, pretty much, like I'd expect them to in this video. They look like a group of guys who just laid down a large bet. Nervous as hell.

Damn maybe Dorsey didn't want Mahomes and Clark was tired of losing so he said **** it I'm getting a QB. Remember Clark makes the final decisions

All I learned from that is Dorsey is socially awkward and doesn't know how to slap hands. He botched like five of them in a row.

What? It is clear from the video that Dorsey is the one who seems happy about drafting Mahomes. Dorsey wanted Mahomes for sure.

And it is clear in the video that there is tension or something between Dorsey and Hunt.

Dorsey looks pumped like he got the guy he wanted. Hunt looks nervous and does not fully let the moment be a triumphant one for Dorsey. Tension for sure.

I don't think there is any way Mahomes gets drafted without Clark and Reid in agreement of doing such. Especially when giving up a our 1st next year.

Dissecting a video? Guys, please.

If you have a better source of accurate info, please share. Chiefs are not giving fans much to work with. It's not everyday you fire your GM out of nowhere, especially this time of year.

Until we hear Schefter or Rapoport say something it's all speculation until than

It's really none of our business. It's ChUNT's business and I suppose he can run it as he pleases.

This is a joke, right?

Adam Teicher tears.....


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ROFL

Nope. They are the two most respected people in the football world. They break more news and are accurate more than anybody else.

Roger Goodell is the most respected person in the football world. duh.

You actually listen to television analysts ?

Tom
Am I wrong? If so, how?

They are football insiders who have more connections to front offices than anyone on CP

Heh

What if an insider was on CP?

Oswald and ChUNT acted alone.

You need the whole video of the draft room. Hunt and Dorsey could have been next to each other when the pick was announced and could have hugged. The awkward fist bump could have been their second time around.

Overall, Dorsey looks a lot more excited about the pick than Hunt does.

Why is anyone here? Why does this board exist? Why does the NFL exist? Thank you for the meta moment.

CP has become self aware.

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Sorry, we can't accept this until Schefter or Ian Rapoport confirm.

Heh

Anyone in here own a business? Who runs your business?

Maybe Hunt is pissed that Dorsey deliberately drafted a QB right after Hunt specifically told him that Chiefs tradition is that we only sign former 49er QBs.

I need to see the still photos before making an accurate assessment.

You are opposite mind. Holy shit balls.

Trolling just to troll I suppose or ignorant and dumb?

Just a ****tard.

I'm guessing the way the Maclin cut went down pissed off Reid and Hunt

What else we got? I find this far more accurate than their scripted words.

Maybe I missed it on draft night....but where was Reid? I don't remember seeing him in any of the draft room footage.

At the build your own burger bar in the back

Working at 2nd job: Quality Control at KC Joe's BBQ. (First in with polite [edit] BBQ [edit] joke.)

Fail

Damn it. 1st polite BBQ joke? I'm not worthy and completely undone.

Now that you say that, I don't remember seeing him there.

I'd love to hear the real story... Dorsey seemed all-in and I liked him... especially after the Pioli trainwreck.

We will likely never know the full true story. None of our business, actually.

In his draft interview, Dorsey said he had to get Clarks approval to make the trade to get Mahomes.

That is an awkward interaction. Almost like neither really wanted to interact, but awkwardly found themselves in too close proximity to each other and quickly gave a half ass form of acknowledgment due to the setting.

Clark IS awkward AF, he's got a ****ing hair helmet and his name is Clark. I feel awkward just listening to him give an interview from another state away. I can't imagine being a former linebacker trying to interact with him in a very intense, very football moment. Clark's looking to give scarf wearing soccer dap and Dorsey's probably looking to Ric Flair whoop while kissing his bicep and they crossed paths is all.

This made me laugh.

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This is a good observation. I remember people talking about it on draft night now that it's mentioned.

Still? Wrong narrative. Nobody disagrees that Clark can do what he wants with his team.

This is an entertainment business and the NFL desperately wants the fans to be involved with the teams. Marketing. Fan engagement brings in the $$. That is why the NFL draft is heavily promoted and gets ridiculous ratings. (Teams don't have draft parties for fans because they have nothing better to do.) Fan engagement is why every NFL team participates in social media, gets involved in community affairs, and spends millions on stadium improvements.

So while nobody is trying to run the Chiefs....it IS our business to discuss and pick apart anything the owner, GM, coach (es), players do regarding the team. That, in good measure, is why there are places like CP on the interwebs. If that bothers you, why are you here?

Some interesting talk on Reddit
 

(Owners name) told us today that he's heard that the Dorsey/Hunt relationship has really sizzled. First off, anyone like Kietzman saying anything about Mahomes is a lie. Everybody loved him and Andy knew full well that he had work to do with him, so don't believe anything about Mahomes being a factor in this decision.



The GB issue was part of this factor. Clark knows that Dorsey has friends in GB and still talks to them all the time. When this rumor came out, Clark confronted Dorsey about this in his weekly meeting with him. Dorsey reiterated that this was his dream job, but that that was something he used to want when he was in GB. Clark wasn't too happy about that but was okay with offering a deal that would show loyalty here.



Contracts were a big problem in Clark's mind, and he didn't like how we kept having these bad deals with bad cap moves. Clark was not happy at all about how the Eric Berry situation unfolded. That situation got so bad last year that Eric Berry would not speak to Dorsey. He avoided him throughout the season and didn't want to have anything to do with him for a long time. This was due to the insurance fiasco.



If it wasn't for Clark, Berry wouldn't have signed. Andy and Clark had to step in and help get that signing done bc of the animosity from Berry, his family and agent to Dorsey.



This led Clark to do a complete root cause analysis of the entire management in personnel. Normally this wouldn't happen because of the great success we've had.



It was no secret that Clark didn't like some of the contracts that were given out and the way they were formulated. Dorsey acknowledged this and fired Trip McCracken while hiring his new guy.



In regards to your question about Andy being on edge-



This was because of players missing OTA's. It's usually normal, but Eric Berry apparently told Andy he needed more time away because he was still upset about the contract drama. This led to Andy snapping at the media.



Andy and Clark were furious at Dorsey for how he handled Maclin's release. Maclin was enraged about what happened. Andy initially wanted to have a man-to-man talk about this. What happened happened and Andy called Maclin right after to talk to him.

Mark Donovan was pissed off about the bad publicity that came from Maclin's release.



Finally, Clark was okay with giving Dorsey another chance with a new cap strategist, but Dorsey wasn't pleased with the dollars he was getting. Clark was not happy about this because he had just stepped in to do Dorsey's job and sign Berry.



Adding in the contract missteps and GB drama to this situation made this easy for Clark.



Brett Veach is the obvious favorite for GM. We'll have some external candidates come in but it would have to be a slam dunk candidate to make them pass on Veach.

LMAO

That was posted here first, bud.

I like the Chuefs, but I like the mischief on here more .

Body language tells the truth.

this all makes a lot of sense and to me seems plausable

:toast: Here's to mischief and the Chiefs staying relevant to fans at the slowest time of the year for the NFL.

No doubt, you are correct. So am I. Cheers. Time to vodka .

LMAO

Looks like the Walrus seen his shadow, four more years of Alex Smith

Clark I believe has to approve in advance all trades that include a first round pick just like Lamar did.

He knew prior what was going down.

Yep, this is a great thread as I didn't notice this before. Nobody was more shocked than me when they drafted a QB.

To me, it confirms what I thought, Hunt didn't want to do it.

Now this is my opinion, but I have always thought Lamar, on his dying bed, said no QB to Clark in the first and he wanted to stick with it but let his team have their way.

Clearly Hunt doesn't want Mahomes. He will be gone in 3 years. God I'm starting to hate this franchise. Who knew there was a gene that hates drafting a QB? It runs strong in the Hunt family.

Don't like saying it ,but this seems plausible. ChUNT did not like how his money was being spent.

That's a very strange leap to take

If you believe the part about "it being an easy decision" I have a bridge for sale.

It's a business and all decisions are based on money. The safe financial decision would have been to take a fatty, or at the most a wr, like they have been doing for 30+ years.

If Mahomes flops like Blackledge, Clark will be waking up in the middle of the night to his Dad saying I told you so! Do you remember the 80s Chiefs?

I am thrilled they did it, don't get me wrong, it's going to be fun to watch but it isn't my money.

Clark signed off on the trade up. I don't believe this to be true.

Exactly.

Dorsey was crazy pumped by the trade and pick. It's his deal and he will always get 1000% of the credit/blame for Mahomes. Clarkbar and his new GM won't accept a discounted amount of credit for the Chiefs success over the next 15 years. Mahomes will not be the franchise QB of the Chiefs. Think about it, Mahomes is Dorsey's signiature deal. If Mahomes becomes a stud, Clarkbar looks like an idiot for dumping Dorsey. This could not have happened at a worse time.

I don't agree with any of this

They will give credit to Andy Reid for coaching him up. Andy Reid had say in the pick or it wouldn't have happened. If we promote from internally then it's just a matter of our scouts keep getting us quality in the draft that's all we have to worry about.

If Mahomes becomes a stud none of this matters, its hard to loose with stud/franchise QBs. Everybody wins.

Where I think you are on the right track is if Mahomes struggles he may get the hook quicker than he would if the guy that drafted him was here. While its likely all agreed on the move I think this was Dorseys deal.

Simple. C(h)UNT didn't like the way HIS money was being spent . Simple.

So Clark HAS been putting the kibosh on the drafting of 1st round QBs...

Dorsey was the hero, not that we deserved, but the one we needed.

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