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milkman 08-13-2017 08:16 AM

We spent so much time discussing the QBs...
 
...we didn't really discuss the some other takeaways from Friday's game.

Did anyone else notice that Allen Baily was giving the 9er O-Line fits trying to block him, and that Ramik played with more physicality that he has at any time previously?

threebag 08-13-2017 08:19 AM

It did seem the DL had some penetration.
We are going to need something from the running game.

The best part of the game was seeing 56 on the field.

So glad football is back Go Chiefs

mdchiefsfan 08-13-2017 08:20 AM

DL certainly seems to be a strength this year, and that was with Jones sidelined.

unlurking 08-13-2017 08:23 AM

Agreed with Bailey. Was quite pleased. I thought Ramik flashed last year, was good to see him get a little more consistent. I was glad to see Conley come alive too.

milkman 08-13-2017 08:23 AM

I didn't see anything from Cam Thomas that suggests he has any business on an NFL team's 53 man roster.

Buehler445 08-13-2017 08:28 AM

How did we look at nose? There are a lot of snaps we need to replace at NT.

milkman 08-13-2017 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 13009246)
How did we look at nose? There are a lot of snaps we need to replace at NT.

Hopefully we'll get a chance to see Logan and Miller soon, cause I wasn't impressed with the scrubs they trotted out there Friday night.

DaneMcCloud 08-13-2017 08:36 AM

Yes, I mentioned both in the game thread.

Ramik Wilson was a different player last year after being cut in preseason. He improved greatly once he was re-signed to the 53 and this year looked to be on another level entirely. He was much quicker due to play recognition and he appeared to be stronger.

Bailey looked like a Grown Ass Man. He was always solid in the past but he looked like he had something to prove, which he does, considering the Chiefs spent a 2nd on Jones and a 2nd on Kpassognon.

When this defense is completely healthy with the return of Berry, Logan and Jones, they'll be the scariest the Chiefs have fielded in decades.

milkman 08-13-2017 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13009255)
Yes, I mentioned both in the game thread.

Ramik Wilson was a different player last year after being cut in preseason. He improved greatly once he was re-signed to the 53 and this year looked to be on another level entirely. He was much quicker due to play recognition and he appeared to be stronger.

Bailey looked like a Grown Ass Man. He was always solid in the past but he looked like he had something to prove, which he does, considering the Chiefs spent a 2nd on Jones and a 2nd on Kpassognon.

When this defense is completely healthy with the return of Berry, Logan and Jones, they'll be the scariest the Chiefs have fielded in decades.

On another note, did you see enough from Bausby to think he warrants further work on the practice squad?

OnTheWarpath15 08-13-2017 08:44 AM

What stood out to me:

- Lack of KHunt at RB.

- The absolute shitshow we have at backup OL positions. If a starter goes down for more than a week or two, we be ****ed.

- We all know who the 3 QB's are going to be, and who the starter is going to be - so why not get 15 as many snaps as possible? This is the time to get him some game experience, since he's going to be holding a clipboard on Sundays for the next year.

milkman 08-13-2017 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 13009265)
What stood out to me:

- Lack of KHunt at RB.

- The absolute shitshow we have at backup OL positions. If a starter goes down for more than a week or two, we be ****ed.

- We all know who the 3 QB's are going to be, and who the starter is going to be - so why not get 15 as many snaps as possible? This is the time to get him some game experience, since he's going to be holding a clipboard on Sundays for the next year.

News from camp today is that he's working with the 2s, so I think we'll see much more from him moving forward.

SAUTO 08-13-2017 08:49 AM

I was happy to see a more aggressive Wilson, but the ****er still didn't wrap up.

Rasputin 08-13-2017 08:50 AM

Although I think Eric Murray will have a better showing next time or do good for us, he whiffed and stared at a ball he could have made effort to intercept so really Eric Murray was my biggest disappoint during the game. If he continues to suck then he can suck elsewhere. For now I still have higher expectations that he can prove himself worth being on the 53 but I lost trust in him if he would be a starter.

OnTheWarpath15 08-13-2017 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 13009273)
News from camp today is that he's working with the 2s, so I think we'll see much more from him moving forward.

Hunt, Mahomes, or both?

RunKC 08-13-2017 08:54 AM

Yeah. I think a few others stood out:

-OL looked really good, including Witzmann.
-KPass looks like a quality rusher at multiple positions. Jack of all spades kinda guy.
-Chesson looks like he could be a quality kick returner.

Also thought Okine looked good out there. I want to see him in Dadi Nicolas' spot while he's on PUP.

cabletech94 08-13-2017 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 13009273)
News from camp today is that he's working with the 2s, so I think we'll see much more from him moving forward.

thats actually great to hear!! any chance bray is cut? i know he doesn't make that much money. but cutting him and bringing in "another" backup while mahomes sits for the year, maybe? i know bray knows the system. but whatever.

milkman 08-13-2017 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 13009290)
Hunt, Mahomes, or both?

I was addressing Mahomes, though I think Hunt was getting some first team reps.

Hog's Gone Fishin 08-13-2017 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 13009243)
I didn't see anything from Cam Thomas that suggests he has any business on an NFL team's 53 man roster.

I think you're overlooking the fact that he's fat as hell.

Hog's Gone Fishin 08-13-2017 08:58 AM

How bout that blocked punt by Pierre and the grab by Hunt to recover. That was cool!

Rasputin 08-13-2017 09:00 AM

I remember a play Patrick threw to DAT and he made a sick juke and I think he made a first down so I was impressed with DAT on that play.

staylor26 08-13-2017 09:16 AM

What about Conley and RNR?

I thought they both looked great

If it weren't for the bs penalty, Conley would've finished with 3 rec for 135 yards and a TD

Direckshun 08-13-2017 09:21 AM

RNR looked close to unblockable at NT.

That's super intriguing. Jenkins played well too.

At this point we may not see much Kpassagnon this year. With the way Jones, Bailey, RNR, and Jenkins are playing, he'll be our 5th DE.

milkman 08-13-2017 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 13009337)
What about Conley and RNR?

I thought they both looked great

If it weren't for the bs penalty, Conley would've finished with 3 rec for 135 yards and a TD

RNR looks like good solid depth, and Conley looks like the guy I expect to see.
I don't think he gets enough separation to be a huge contributor this season.

Direckshun 08-13-2017 09:23 AM

Was that a bullshit penalty on Conley? Looked like he did extend the arm.

Rasputin 08-13-2017 09:24 AM

There's another flag on the field

Best22 08-13-2017 09:32 AM

Conley looked more explosive


Maybe that hair was slowing him down?

OnTheWarpath15 08-13-2017 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 13009352)
Was that a bullshit penalty on Conley? Looked like he did extend the arm.

Looked to me like he already had his man beat and they were handfighting.

Pretty ticky-tack, but whatever.

KChiefs1 08-13-2017 09:34 AM

Eligwe disappointed me.

KChiefs1 08-13-2017 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 13009302)
How bout that blocked punt by Pierre and the grab by Hunt to recover. That was cool!


He made me forget Alexander.

KChiefs1 08-13-2017 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 13009273)
News from camp today is that he's working with the 2s, so I think we'll see much more from him moving forward.



West didn't impress anybody on Friday.

KChiefs1 08-13-2017 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 13009337)
What about Conley and RNR?

I thought they both looked great

If it weren't for the bs penalty, Conley would've finished with 3 rec for 135 yards and a TD



Conley was really impressive.

tmax63 08-13-2017 09:46 AM

At this point we may not see much Kpassagnon this year. With the way Jones, Bailey, RNR, and Jenkins are playing, he'll be our 5th DE.[/QUOTE]

I think he's turns out to be great depth initially and when you think about how many dl the Chiefs went thru last year he could get a lot of work.

chiefzilla1501 08-13-2017 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 13009382)
West didn't impress anybody on Friday.

I think west ran into the same problems hunt did. Backup ol run blocking is pure shit. If we get the west we saw late last year on fresh legs as our #3, I'm not worried.

Rasputin 08-13-2017 09:58 AM

Kevin Pierre-Louis blocked a punt and I hope if he can continue to do that it becomes a thing.

DaneMcCloud 08-13-2017 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 13009265)
- The absolute shitshow we have at backup OL positions. If a starter goes down for more than a week or two, we be ****ed.

I disagree here a bit.

Fulton's a quality backup at guard and an even better backup center. It's possible that they could lose both starting guard (like they did against the Texans in Week 2 last year), but it's unlikely.

I need to take a little closer look at tackle, although Jah Reid is absolutely horrible on the edge. He's not terrible inside at guard but he can't cut it on the edge.

Also, while certainly wouldn't be ideal to lose starting tackle, I think some of that would be minimized by playing next to a true starter in LDT or Wiztmann/Ehinger as opposed to a guy that will be out of work in a few weeks.

Plus, Andy Reid's lost plenty of starting lineman the past few seasons and has been able to scheme around those loss(es).

Rasputin 08-13-2017 10:00 AM

Our d-line is stacked and with a healthy Houston and Dee Ford quarterbacks are going be ****ed.

DaneMcCloud 08-13-2017 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 13009262)
On another note, did you see enough from Bausby to think he warrants further work on the practice squad?

I need to re-watch. I failed to record the entire game yesterday but it's set to record tonight at 8:30 so if I don't doze off, I'll more thoughts tomorrow.

milkman 08-13-2017 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13009444)
I disagree here a bit.

Fulton's a quality backup at guard and an even better backup center. It's possible that they could lose both starting guard (like they did against the Texans in Week 2 last year), but it's unlikely.

I need to take a little closer look at tackle, although Jah Reid is absolutely horrible on the edge. He's not terrible inside at guard but he can't cut it on the edge.

Also, while certainly wouldn't be ideal to lose starting tackle, I think some of that would be minimized by playing next to a true starter in LDT or Wiztmann/Ehinger as opposed to a guy that will be out of work in a few weeks.

Plus, Andy Reid's lost plenty of starting lineman the past few seasons and has been able to scheme around those loss(es).

I'd hate to do anything to screw with LDT and the strides he's taken at guard, but the Chiefs might want to consider working him at tackle.

He has the athleticism to play there, and the backups here are just horrible.

DaneMcCloud 08-13-2017 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 13009477)
I'd hate to do anything to screw with LDT and the strides he's taken at guard, but the Chiefs might want to consider working him at tackle.

He has the athleticism to play there, and the backups here are just horrible.

True, he and Ehinger, who played tackle in college would be candidates, at OT. I think Mitch Morse would get a shot, too.

But with that said, I don't have high hopes for Ehinger's availability this season due to the late November 2016 ACL surgery.

If he's available though, his presence makes the offensive line depth that much better.

Demonpenz 08-13-2017 03:30 PM

Poe seemed non-existant

MahiMike 08-13-2017 03:52 PM

Thought Seantavius looked good. The play where he came back for the ball was great. Something the old #81 would never do.

Kman34 08-13-2017 04:01 PM

I think Hunts inability to get many reps a RB is due to the need to get better at pass protection.... Andy likes RBs who are proficient blockers...

DaneMcCloud 08-13-2017 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kman34 (Post 13010298)
I think Hunts inability to get many reps a RB is due to the need to get better at pass protection.... Andy likes RBs who are proficient blockers...

Pure speculation

penbrook 08-13-2017 04:04 PM

RNR is so much improved. Honestly our DL is stacked! Bausby made some good plays I thought. I think he makes the team.

JakeF 08-13-2017 04:05 PM

Team was so sloppy it was hard to judge it completely

RB don't look like anything special
Other than Tyreek, our WR group lacks explosion
Oline depth is garbage

I focused more on offense, need to watch it again for defense.

At first glance, depth at CB looked weak. Gaines hurt again?
Sutton drops into such a prevent D that 3rd and long is such a problem for us
I can't believe that DJ is ready to go
Staying healthy on defense is a huge priority

Kman34 08-13-2017 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13010302)
Pure speculation

No..I heard it on 810 radio so it has to be true.:D

thabear04 08-13-2017 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 13009243)
I didn't see anything from Cam Thomas that suggests he has any business on an NFL team's 53 man roster.

The only thing I saw was when he give the 49ers an extra set of downs for the FG because he used leverage on some guy.

penbrook 08-13-2017 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 13010312)
Team was so sloppy it was hard to judge it completely

RB don't look like anything special
Other than Tyreek, our WR group lacks explosion
Oline depth is garbage

I focused more on offense, need to watch it again for defense.

At first glance, depth at CB looked weak. Gaines hurt again?
Sutton drops into such a prevent D that 3rd and long is such a problem for us
I can't believe that DJ is ready to go
Staying healthy on defense is a huge priority

Bausby is better than Gaines and White

DaneMcCloud 08-13-2017 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kman34 (Post 13010328)
No..I heard it on 810 radio so it has to be true.:D

LMAO

DaneMcCloud 08-13-2017 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 13010312)
RB don't look like anything special
Other than Tyreek, our WR group lacks explosion

:rolleyes:

Yeah, Chris Conley wasn't "explosive" at all.

Either was DeMarcus Robinson, who Mahomes connected with on a 41 yard catch that was negated by penalty.

You're dumb AF.

penbrook 08-13-2017 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13010350)
:rolleyes:

Yeah, Chris Conley wasn't "explosive" at all.

Either was DeMarcus Robinson, who Mahomes connected with on a 41 yard catch that was negated by penalty.

You're dumb AF.

Conley looked so much better. Would of had 3 receptions for 139 yards if his td wasnt called back. Where the **** was Albert Wilson?

DaneMcCloud 08-13-2017 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbrook (Post 13010355)
Would of

I hope you just started your freshman year of high school and not college

Kman34 08-13-2017 04:22 PM

Each WR who had the long ball for the first play of the 3 QBs clearly beat the CB covering them... so I think they have some big play ability as long as the QB can get it there......
I looking at you Alex Smith...

penbrook 08-13-2017 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kman34 (Post 13010372)
Each WR who had the long ball for the first play of the 3 QBs clearly beat the CB covering them... so I think they have some big play ability as long as the QB can get it there......
I looking at you Alex Smith...

He got it to Hill perfectly fine. Wasn't underthrown or overthrown

Kman34 08-13-2017 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbrook (Post 13010380)
He got it to Hill perfectly fine. Wasn't underthrown or overthrown

Yeah... but I want to see more of that when it really matters.... not in preseason...

JakeF 08-13-2017 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbrook (Post 13010344)
Bausby is better than Gaines and White

Hope so, Gaines injury history makes him almost completely unreliable.

OldSchool 08-13-2017 05:07 PM

I don't think any of the draft picks will really be contributing or making much of a difference this year.

Khunt saw all of 1 carry and looked no different from the other backs in limited time.

Kpass looked raw as hell, inconsistent, and didn't dominate against the 3rd team OL like you would expect from a physical freak. I don't think he has enough natural power to be a difference maker in this league.

DaneMcCloud 08-13-2017 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 13010497)
I don't think any of the draft picks will really be contributing or making much of a difference this year


LMAO

eDave 08-13-2017 05:18 PM

Dustin Farr Colquitt is going to have a hell of a year.

mdchiefsfan 08-13-2017 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 13009477)
I'd hate to do anything to screw with LDT and the strides he's taken at guard, but the Chiefs might want to consider working him at tackle.

He has the athleticism to play there, and the backups here are just horrible.

That is an interesting thought.

One thing I have to keep in perspective is that, though the backup o-line looked abysmal, cohesion is essential. One person could've look dreadful, but you place them between two higher-tier players, and their weaknesses aren't as obvious, if that makes sense.

jspchief 08-13-2017 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 13009352)
Was that a bullshit penalty on Conley? Looked like he did extend the arm.

He totally pushed off, but that's ok. Receivers get away with it more often than not.

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eDave 08-13-2017 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 13010723)
He totally pushed off, but that's ok. Receivers get away with it more often than not.

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Announcers said as much. Rarely called during the real deal. But Chiefs though.


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