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carcosa 10-02-2017 11:01 PM

Is Albert Wilson... good now!?!?
 
Tonight's big catch was huge and hugely impressive, but Albert Wilson has been doing little things right all season. This is surprising, considering he has been, uh, not very good at football for most of his career to this point.

He's clearly not as good as the Holy Trinity, and he's probably still the 3rd best WR behind Conley, but... is Albert friggin' Wilson actually good now!?!?

mschiefs1984 10-02-2017 11:02 PM

He had a good play I wouldn't say he's good

staylor26 10-02-2017 11:02 PM

He looks like a totally different player this year. Contract year might have something to do with it.

DaFace 10-02-2017 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by mschiefs1984 (Post 13121982)
He had a good play I wouldn't say he's good

He's had clutch catches in the past few games. He looks dramatically better this year than in years past.

DaneMcCloud 10-02-2017 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 13121984)
He looks like a totally different player this year. Contract year might have something to do with it.

While I'd tend to agree, Wilson was a small school guy and it's *possible* that it took three full seasons before the "light" went on.

And this is from Wilson's biggest critic.

Keep up it and then we'll all talk about him some more.

carcosa 10-02-2017 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 13121984)
He looks like a totally different player this year. Contract year might have something to do with it.

It would be funny if he were still bad but played good enough to sucker a bad team into paying him a lot of money

Sandy Vagina 10-02-2017 11:04 PM

meh.. double-caught the "game-winner" along the sidelines, but he did have a couple of big moments. Not at all a good idea to crown him.

mschiefs1984 10-02-2017 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 13121990)
He's had clutch catches in the past few games. He looks dramatically better this year than in years past.

He has had some good moments for sure but he has also had some moment where he looked like well Albert Wilson.

Maybe you can say he is improved a bit but good I guess it would depend on your defintion of good

hometeam 10-02-2017 11:06 PM

I mean... hes a 3r or 4th receiver on any team and if we have a chance to upgrade from him nobody is going to bat an eye.

SO I give it a MEH

Ming the Merciless 10-02-2017 11:07 PM

He had his hustle going on for sure this game...

Rasputin 10-02-2017 11:08 PM

He is growing into being ok and has room to be good.

KCrockaholic 10-02-2017 11:08 PM

I'll give him credit that he makes more plays than Conley

JakeF 10-02-2017 11:10 PM

If he was a #4 wr/special teamer he would be good.

OldSchool 10-02-2017 11:11 PM

He's a good #4/5 receiver that you keep around because he can do multiple things for the team. Doesn't mean he should start or anything. Just good enough to keep on the roster and might give you a good play every now and again.

Pasta Little Brioni 10-02-2017 11:12 PM

Is Long John Silver's good?

New World Order 10-02-2017 11:13 PM

Dunno if he's good but we don't win that game today without A&W

carcosa 10-02-2017 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Vagina (Post 13121996)
meh.. double-caught the "game-winner" along the sidelines, but he did have a couple of big moments. Not at all a good idea to crown him.

http://i67.tinypic.com/14tu7vn.jpg

-King- 10-02-2017 11:15 PM

He's been a decent #4 or 5 option. He just struggles when you rely on him. But other than that, he knows the playbook at multiple positions and blocks well and makes plays when called on most of the time. Not bad for your #3 WR.
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kjwood75nro 10-02-2017 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 13122027)
Is Long John Silver's good?

Does the Pope's dick fit in a donut?

JakeF 10-02-2017 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 13122026)
He's a good #4/5 receiver that you keep around because he can do multiple things for the team. Doesn't mean he should start or anything. Just good enough to keep on the roster and might give you a good play every now and again.

Exactly. If Wilson was just an extra guy you kept around to play special teams and in case of injury it's fine. For us, Wilson is a #3 who plays way too much and isn't good enough to do it.

wasi 10-02-2017 11:16 PM

He got the ball on a reverse in the first quarter and missed the hole for what could have been a huge gain.

lcarus 10-02-2017 11:17 PM

He's always made some plays here and there. I've always thought he was a pretty good downfield blocker for others. That was one of the dumbest runs I've ever seen when he just ran right into a blocked defender when he could have cut either direction and had a lot more. But man did he make up for it.

Sandy Vagina 10-02-2017 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by carcosa (Post 13122037)
[ :DIMG]http://i67.tinypic.com/14tu7vn.jpg[/IMG]

LOL at the pic... literally did. :thumb:

ThaVirus 10-02-2017 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by KCrockaholic (Post 13122011)
I'll give him credit that he makes more plays than Conley

I'd say they're about the same.

Not bad at all for the 4th and 5th options in an offense.

KCrockaholic 10-02-2017 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 13122053)
I'd say they're about the same.

Not bad at all for the 4th and 5th options in an offense.

Conley hasn't scored a TD in 21 straight games. It's getting concerning. I like him though.

OldSchool 10-02-2017 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by wasi (Post 13122044)
He got the ball on a reverse in the first quarter and missed the hole for what could have been a huge gain.

I facepalmed when he literally ran right into a blocked defender. Like, wtf, is he blind or something?

Simply Red 10-02-2017 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13121993)
While I'd tend to agree, Wilson was a small school guy and it's *possible* that it took three full seasons before the "light" went on.

And this is from Wilson's biggest critic.

Keep up it and then we'll all talk about him some more.

Georgia State produces good FB and BB talent fairly regularly.

Pasta Little Brioni 10-02-2017 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 13122078)
Georgia State produces good FB and BB talent fairly regularly.

Heading to Sizzler to celebrate!!!

AssEaterChief 10-02-2017 11:35 PM

He is only 25 years old.

I have not been a big fan in the past but he looks to be improving.

A more dynamic offense definitely helps his production.

T-post Tom 10-02-2017 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by KCrockaholic (Post 13122068)
Conley hasn't scored a TD in 21 straight games. It's getting concerning. I like him though.

Had his man beat on that deep route in the endzone. Better blocking from the o-line on that play: it's a better throw and a td.

Why Not? 10-03-2017 12:15 AM

He's fine for what he is asked to do in this offense. That was a big play late from him, but he saved the game with the "reception" off of Kelce's helmet. That's a pick for sure.

Holladay 10-03-2017 12:18 AM

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I'll give him credit that he makes more plays than Conley
This

farmerchief 10-03-2017 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 13122070)
I facepalmed when he literally ran right into a blocked defender. Like, wtf, is he blind or something?

Really? It looked to me as if West missed the block, was just getting to the safety and when Wilson got there, the safety just pushed West aside and made the stick!

Chiefshrink 10-03-2017 06:21 AM

at least he knows AR's offense:shrug:

Red Dawg 10-03-2017 06:43 AM

Wilson has his moments but he’s not great. He made plays tonight but nobody really worries about Wilson. We have more explosive WRs on the roster that just need a shot. Connelly needs the ball in his hands more. He’s almost invisible.

Black Bob 10-03-2017 06:48 AM

Always been good. He is just getting more Opportunities with Maclin gone. No alligator arms last night.

Black Bob 10-03-2017 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by KCrockaholic (Post 13122011)
I'll give him credit that he makes more plays than Conley

Conley can basically only run go routes. He's the same as he was at UGA. He never gets better as a route runner or at catching the ball. He's a #4 WR.

Molitoth 10-03-2017 06:56 AM

He's just doing what he is asked. He can't force Alex to throw him the ball.
Now, if he starts dropping passes then eff him right out the door.

Mike in SW-MO 10-03-2017 07:43 AM

Paylor mentioned last year that Wilson does not track the ball well so he does not make good deep adjustments a la Hill.

Makes him a poor over-the-shoulder receiver. So they no longer use him that way. Even last year, he was making plays and did not have the alligator arms. We saw some in pre-season, and I expected to see more.

But he has been solid in regular season. Even dependable.

But you notice the double -clutch reception on the sideline was an over -the-shoulder. Just never gonna be his forte.

displacedinMN 10-03-2017 07:45 AM

He is looking better and faster. Surprised at what he is doing.

jspchief 10-03-2017 08:13 AM

Demetrius Harris has taken the torch from Wilson (and proceeded to drop it and commit an untimely penalty).

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BigRedChief 10-03-2017 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 13121990)
He's had clutch catches in the past few games. He looks dramatically better this year than in years past.

I think most of the criticism has been for dropping the balls he should have caught. That would seem to be a mental thing that would build with every dropped ball.

Maybe he has his confidence back? Both Conely and Wilson have stepped up this year. We are not missing Maclin at all.

carcosa 10-03-2017 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 13122530)
I think most of the criticism has been for dropping the balls he should have caught. That would seem to be a mental thing that would build with every dropped ball.

Maybe he has his confidence back? Both Conely and Wilson have stepped up this year. We are not missing Maclin at all.

Even though Maclin was overall a disappointment here (largely due to injuries), I was definitely concerned about losing him. He's a solid, reliable pro when he's healthy. But thanks to the primary playmakers and the secondary support from Conley and Wilson, I truly haven't thought about Maclin until now.

jettio 10-03-2017 09:37 AM

Albert Wilson has always been a player worth having. His critics focus on the few plays where he did not dive for a ball to make a catch. As if a player lacking that one skill does not have all of the other skills that make him a contributor.

Chiefs are fortunate that they judge a player based on what they can do and not what they can't. You could get a lot of Division III WRs who can make a diving catch and run a 4.8 forty and can't play STs or block downfield from the WR position on a long TD play.

You could tell Reid loves Albert Wilson and that he sees he does his work in the weight room and on the practice field and he is a great athlete.

Albert Wilson is going to be on an NFL roster for as long as he stays healthy, in spite of the armchair GMs, who care so much about a few plays where he does not dive to catch a poorly thrown pass.

L.A. Chieffan 10-03-2017 09:54 AM

He's always been decent as a guy with a good nose for where the chains are. Ive seen him pick up many 1st downs after Alex threw him the ball well short. So hes picked up his game a little but he'll never be a threat or anything inside the RZ.

JakeF 10-03-2017 09:58 AM

We need an upgrade at the #2 WR position to push Conley and Wilson down the depth chart. I was hoping that Robinson would step up but he dropped his first regular season attempt.

WhawhaWhat 10-03-2017 10:00 AM

I voted for the last option just because it was funny.

redfan 10-03-2017 10:01 AM

He's always been good, not great.

gblowfish 10-03-2017 10:03 AM

Was Alex past the line of scrimmage when the threw that final pass to Wilson?

jettio 10-03-2017 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 13122745)
Was Alex past the line of scrimmage when the threw that final pass to Wilson?

No, He was comfortably behind. 2-3 yards going by the imposed LOS on the screen during the broadcast.

Ragged Robin 10-03-2017 10:11 AM

nope, still sucks, he did what every veteran receiver is supposed to do on a broken play

Shaid 10-03-2017 10:15 AM

For being the 4th option, I think he's good. He's not a 1 or 2 and really never will be but he's a good role player.

lcarus 10-03-2017 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Why Not? (Post 13122174)
He's fine for what he is asked to do in this offense. That was a big play late from him, but he saved the game with the "reception" off of Kelce's helmet. That's a pick for sure.

Was that not holding/pass interference? I didn't see the replay. I couldn't tell if he just bumped him within 5 yards but it sure looked like a hold to me.

kccrow 10-03-2017 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 13122734)
I voted for the last option just because it was funny.

LOL Same.


As for Wilson, he's definitely ditched the alligator arms to some extent so far this year and I'm happy to see it. When he plays his ass off, he's a pretty damn good slot option.


Don't get your take on Conley BlackBob, kid probably has the best hands on the team. I see him get open a ton, he just doesn't necessarily get the football. When Alex puts it on Conley, the ball gets caught and its usually for a decent gain/first down. Wish he'd get more targets.

MahiMike 10-03-2017 10:49 AM

Best game for him so far. That heads up play on the donk off kelces helmet was UUUUGGGGEEEE!

carcosa 10-19-2017 08:32 PM

I think he's good now????

Rasputin 10-19-2017 08:42 PM

He doesn't suck.

mschiefs1984 10-19-2017 09:02 PM

He's getting there fast

carcosa 10-19-2017 09:03 PM

I mean, the concentration on that tipped pass..... really impressive

philfree 12-11-2017 02:43 AM

We're so sorry
Uncle Albert
sorry we doubted your play
but today you showed us
what silly fools we are
yes way


Wilson! He makes plays.

DaNewGuy 12-11-2017 03:50 AM

Albert Moss

Hog's Gone Fishin 12-11-2017 04:25 AM

He's the Daniel Sorenson/Frank Zombo of the offense. He quietly does a solid job. He's had as much or more separation than any receiver not named Tyreek if ONLY OUR QB COULD SEE HIM!

Hoover 12-11-2017 04:41 AM

Dorsey said to be considering giving him a four year 50m contract like Maclin.

Couch-Potato 12-11-2017 07:12 AM

Great catch, but you need to make more than one play a year to be considered a good WR.

oldman 12-11-2017 07:23 AM

My gripe with him has always been the alligator arms/drops, in other words, passes he should have caught. I will say that he seems to have stepped up his game this year, especially after Conley went down. He's at best a #3 and more likely a #4 WR.

Chiefnj2 12-11-2017 07:24 AM

28 receptions on the year.

No, not very good.

Reerun_KC 12-11-2017 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 13275927)
28 receptions on the year.



No, not very good.



On how many targets?

MahiMike 12-11-2017 07:44 AM

Flukey

Simply Red 12-11-2017 07:54 AM

He's a worker bee. I like Albert.

Best22 12-11-2017 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 13275927)
28 receptions on the year.

No, not very good.

2017 Wilson: 41 targets, 28 receptions, 356 yards, 3 TD, 35ypg

2016 Conley: 69 targets, 44 receptions, 530 yards, 0 TD, 33ypg
2017 Conley: 35 ypg, 0 TD

Wilson is producing at a good level considering his position. I never understood why fans viewed him as being so bad while Conley was somehow a great receiver. The way Wilson battled for the first down late in the game yesterday helped seal the win.

redfan 12-11-2017 08:28 AM

That sideline foot drag n'grab was the best catch by any Chiefs wideout this season, but it's only one catch. String together a couple more good games and then you might be something, Al.

DJ's left nut 12-11-2017 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 13121984)
He looks like a totally different player this year. Contract year might have something to do with it.

I really don't think he does. He's the same role player and credible receiver he's always been, Smith just trusts him a bit more and he's been asked to do more after sliding into the slot role that Hill vacated by going to the Z.

Let's not act like he's making the diving plays people were always so hard on him for not making. And I've never agreed with the folks that say he avoids contact; he's generally been a willing player.

hitchief 12-11-2017 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by oldman (Post 13275924)
My gripe with him has always been the alligator arms/drops, in other words, passes he should have caught. I will say that he seems to have stepped up his game this year, especially after Conley went down. He's at best a #3 and more likely a #4 WR.

This is perfect!

carcosa 12-11-2017 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 13275927)
28 receptions on the year.

No, not very good.

He's been hurt a lot...

Rausch 12-11-2017 10:25 AM

He's a solid no 4 filling in as a no 2 respectably...

staylor26 12-11-2017 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 13276133)
I really don't think he does. He's the same role player and credible receiver he's always been, Smith just trusts him a bit more and he's been asked to do more after sliding into the slot role that Hill vacated by going to the Z.

Let's not act like he's making the diving plays people were always so hard on him for not making. And I've never agreed with the folks that say he avoids contact; he's generally been a willing player.

I disagree completely. It was not just about the diving plays. He simply was never reliable, hence why Alex didn’t trust him.

For example, he’s so much better on those bubble screens it’s crazy. Also, he wouldn’t have made those two big plays he made yesterday in years past. If you don’t see a difference in Wilson, I have no idea what you’ve been watching.

lcarus 12-11-2017 10:40 AM

A role player that occasionally makes a big play and seems to be good for team morale.

KCrockaholic 12-11-2017 10:43 AM

He's surprised me in a way that I didn't think he was better than Conley, and I think to this point he's proven that he is a better pure football player than combine warrior Conley.

RunKC 12-11-2017 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by KCrockaholic (Post 13276255)
He's surprised me in a way that I didn't think he was better than Conley, and I think to this point he's proven that he is a better pure football player than combine warrior Conley.

Wilson fits the dink and dunk offense perfectly. Conley is a downfield receiver who will look significantly better with a QB like Mahomes.

DJ's left nut 12-11-2017 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 13276243)
I disagree completely. It was not just about the diving plays. He simply was never reliable, hence why Alex didn’t trust him.

For example, he’s so much better on those bubble screens it’s crazy. Also, he wouldn’t have made those two big plays he made yesterday in years past. If you don’t see a difference in Wilson, I have no idea what you’ve been watching.

Smith didn't trust him because Smith doesn't trust anyone.

His catch rate is up a little bit, yes but that is a product of small sample sizes. He had 3 drops in 51 targets last year; he has 2 in 41 this year. If he drops another one over his next 10 targets, his numbers will align virtually step for step. There's effectively no difference in his hands.

And no, he wasn't someone that was jaking plays over the middle. He had one bad play and perception became reality with the guy.

And he isn't GOOD now. He's still not particularly fast, he's not large and he's not all that quick (though he's above average). He's largely still a JAG, though he might be a slightly better one. He's always been game and it shows on plays like the 1st down late. He has good vision but he had that last year; he made some nice plays on screens. He's just a competent depth receiver.

But that's who he was last year as well. The problem with Wilson last year wasn't Wilson, it was the people that expected a UDFA from a small school to be a superstar. He never was, he isn't now. But he was a credible, versatile depth player that made some plays for us. That's exactly who he has been this year but has shown more with additional opportunity.

The people that so badly wanted him cut last off-season were wrong. Hell, the folks that got mad about him getting a relatively paltry RFA deal were wrong. And anyone that thinks he's suddenly a significantly better player is also wrong - he's pretty much the same guy.


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