When does Smith lose the team?
 

In his defense the play calling the last few weeks, particularly on 3rd down has been the worst I have ever seen. Also, the OLine can't block a good HS team right now for shit.

That being said, he is consistently bailing out way too early and missing way too many open receivers. The times where he needs to just let the ball fly and see what happens stopped after game 5.

So to the point, watch the int at the end of the Bills game and look at Kelce's reaction. Typical to a point but after the calling out after the Giants loss, you have to wonder when the offense is going to start tearing itself apart?

On the last 2 drives of the Bills game, he missed a wide open Wilson for 4 yards on 4th and 4 and went deep to Hill and threw incomplete. Then on the last play of the game for KC, Kelce is open and he threw into double coverage.

I think there are a lot of reasons for a civil war on the offense, from the coaching, to play calling to blocking ...but Smith has shit his pants the last several games and even those who have tried to defend him can no longer do it.

You mean when DID Smith lose this team? lol

I think he’s already lost them but they know a change isn’t happening so they keep going through the motions...

I think he already has. Andy’s ego won’t admit it though.

I am sure he has already lost a few players.

week 6

Might be right....

i agree the play calling was not great but there were tons of bad throws too...and pants shitting

personally i wouldve made the switch at the half and I think it will be pretty hard not to make the switch for the jets game

tl;dr- halftime of the last game

Week 6 or so

You can see the body language on the WR's running wide open downfield, Kelce especially.

They have had it, Smith is ruining their careers.

When they played the Steelers.

Yep. Alex got TWO chances and FAILED badly both times. The last one was epic. This set of failures, coupled with all the others in the losing streak, should provide the perfect opportunity for Mahomes to take over this team. The kid has a game lead in the division. He'll get valuable experience trying to win the division and then should he do that, he'll get playoff experience. If he fails, hell still get game experience THIS season so he can enter next season that much ahead of the game. Really, nothing more to say.

ROFL they aren't that good man. Come on...

3rd & 15...Carr throws a 17 yard pass....Andy calls a 3 yard pass.....Alex barely executes

This the Team gave up on smith during the Pitt game.

Thread fail. No poll.

He's lost Kelce, that's for sure.

I'm not defending Smith, but I don't think Kelce was that open on the last play. He just got frustrated with the interception.

Already done. Thread fail.

This is the 1998 Chiefs all over again. Big aspirations, destroy a team to open the season, start fast, then just come completely apart. Character and coaching issues that go deep in the locker room.

We are only missing an on field meltdown.

He was more open than where he threw it

He really really lost the team last week. He may or may not get called out publicly by Kelce this week. Make no mistake about it this team and the fanbase has zero confidence in him at this point.

The only way stubborn Andy pulls the plug on him is if his job is in jeopardy. It's going to take a phone call from Clark. Which won't happen.

As soon as you kill yourself.

Dude, if I buy an Uber for your boyfriend to come visit you, will you please STFU? I'll even throw in a bottle of white wine for you...

About week 6.

Absolutely agree......Just wait - the season isn't over yet. That "meltdown" is coming.

Hill and Kelce would be feasting with a decent QB

Honestly kinda feel like the meltdown was the pass interference extravaganza against the Raiders. But maybe we're waiting for the game against the Chargers to really twist the knife deep into our skulls.

That interception was the proverbial dagger through their hearts. If he didn't lose them before he definitely has now.

WTF? Clark just gave him a contract renewal. He's not making that call in a 1000 different universes.

There is going to be a blow up happening soon. You can tell Kelce has almost had enough of that shit. Sooner or later, he's going to snap.

I hope he does. I don’t care if it is bad for the locker room.

And Robinson would be the next Julio Jones!

About a month ago.

All I keep hearing on the radio is how bad the OL is. Don't they get the fact it's all connected? Throw the damn ball down field and all of a sudden the running game works and the OL starts blocking just fine.

Look it, the OL blocking sucks...the play calling is absolutely ****ing abysmal....but when given chances, Smith has not come through. I defended him as much as anyone. All QB's miss receivers or make bad throws. He is doing it consistently.

It's true.. and this last game is almost certainly the answer to the original question.

Look, I know the players like Alex. They even respect him.. but they likely do not think he is all that he should be. They're not wrong.

He had his chances. He got his payment. He should not have one spoken complaint when the decision to start Mahomes comes. This decision should be made public by tomorrow. The Mahomes Era must come now.. even if sooner than planned for.

The run game is abysmal. The playcalling has been shit. But all of that still doesn't excuse Smith's play. A spark is clearly needed.. and a QB change is the ONLY thing that has any chance of providing that spark.


Sorry, Alex. You're a great dude, but have done all you can do, and it ain't enough for what KC needs.

Happy trails, old friend. http://www.myemoticons.com/emoticons...cons/peace.gif

you ****ign moron

go back and read the YEARS of arguments where people tried to explain this fact to you

you should be a lot more apologetic

you should go hit the ****ing road and piss up a rope because ive been packing YOUR bags

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Week 6 with the Shitsburg loss

meanwhile, sandy:

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Naw man.. Mild disappointment is all I can muster for this.

You know, you don't have to blame me for what Smith has become. I felt Smith could get better.. and thought he was doing just that early in the year. Dude fell off a cliff. Oh ****ing well. :shrug:

I'm craving a public call-out. I want Kelce to say, straight up, "we need a change at quarterback"

PLEASE Travis, run your mouth for the good of the team!!!

Smith lost the team weeks ago

Given Conley and Geoff Schwartz's tweets, the offense probably still supports Smith fully.

The defense I wouldn't be sure about.

If I were Veach, I would trot that piece of shit Alice Smith on the field next season and finish his contract. I would get as many "best position available" players on the offense/defense as I could through 2018 draft. Have a losing 2018 season and keep my draft picks through said season. Go into the 2019 draft and hit it hard with "best position available" and have a solid foundation around our young QB. Start him off with a solid Oline to protect him and hopefully some gem WR's to throw to as well as a revamped defense. Then watch our future unfold. This is not going to end pretty at all this year as well as next but the future seems bright :arrow:

Just my .02

Neither one of which I could give 2 squirts of piss for. I don't care who on this offense gets pissed about benching Smith. There are 2 players worth a shit, Kelce and Hill. Everyone else is either a rookie or worthless or both. Kelce and Hill both would probably silently welcome Mahomes.

This season is over. Andy’s fat ass is too stubborn to admit signing another 49ers backup was a mistake. **** both of them.

It wasn't a mistake. The Chiefs needed a QB like Smith to regain respectability.

The mistake was in not trading Smith this season.. and even in that, it's hard to say what is best for the development of Mahomes.

This season is likely over either way, but it's time to give Mahomes his shot, imo.

Smith signing wasn't a mistake, it helped turn things around

Unfortunately the time has come for us to move on

I've been saying this to my wife the last couple of weeks now. There's some more going on than Alex being a shitty QB. Somethings off in the locker room, we're just not hearing about it...yet.

Exactly!

The Steeler game reminded the Chiefs team where they really stood,in reference to being truly a contender to win the AFC! They reminded the Chiefs trenches that they are soft and can be pushed around. And most of all they reminded Smith of his severe limitations in reference to throwing into the zone into tight windows and his unwillingness to do so for whatever reasons giving the rest of the league the blueprint to shut down our offense which has worked these last six weeks. And for what it is worth the Chiefs looked beat before that Steeler game was ever played. So once Smith and the offense recognized every defense is going to play them this way you immediately saw the psychological funk set in deeper and deeper each week until now.

Dustin ColQUITt

Ha ha but Colquitt is one of those that hasn’t quit.

I don't know about that. Chris Carter, Larry Fitzgerald, and TG played with a bunch of shit QBs and they are or will be hall of famers.

Kelce and Hill are not very consistent. TG definitely catches the slant for the TD last week and doesn't get alligator arms.

Kelce's career will be a flash in the pan. Just like Jeremy Shockey. The bad attitude is going to ruin him. It will grow tired.

EXACTLY:clap:

Well at least those manure quarterbacks got a chance to show they were manure. Lack of consistency from Hill and Kelce is not on them it is clearly on the QB Smith.

And if I remember correctly, we had lost 6 straight games until we benched Grbac and went to Gannon.

Interesting... a QB change makes a difference even if the entire team isn't playing well.

You taking notes, Baby Lee?

Hill? Maybe? But Kelce? He is really inconsistent. Always has been. Inconsistent pass catcher, route runner, and blocker.

It's true. It's our only chance to do anything this year. We won't get there with Alex.

Yet you’re a consistent butt****ing moron

I don't recall benching Grbac. I recall him getting hurt with a dislocated shoulder. Am I thinking of a different season?

The team wants Mahomes to start but they can’t come out and say it and that is what is wrong and until that happens this team will be in a psychological funk until that quarterback change occurs.

Money Shot

You are correct. Grbac back went out due to injury Gannon comes in and this offense is just on fire but Marty believed in the you don’t lose your position due to injury regardless of the hot hand and that’s what kept us from going to the Super Bowl.

Yep! Robinson said as much last week. Paraphrasing here. He said something to the effect that we know what the problem is, but we are not allowed to say anything about it.

Look at Buffalo. Even if it ends up being the wrong decision, it could be the right one. The Bills started Peterman last week and he threw five interceptions. Taylor started today and played well. I'd start him next week and see what happens. If we lose and Mahommes plays bad, we are .500 and you give the job back To Alice and hope it motivates him.

I don't think a blind man would miss as many open receivers as Smith missed today

Clearly McDermott wasn’t going with Peterman long-term and I think clearly he was sending a message to Taylor to step up his game. Now with that said Mahomes is far more talented than Peterman and if you put Mahomes in there that is a whole different situation that you cannot reverse. Which is all right by me whether he plays bad or good because this season is done.

Did not know that. Interesting.

I think you could have still ran Mahomes out there at the half, or at any point in the second half today, and came back with "Alex is still our starter next week at the Jets" and almost had more credibility no matter what happened when Mahomes was in the game. Win, lose, or draw.

The Pittsburgh game or the Dallas game.

Dude I am with you but the front office and Andy know just how lethal and heroin additive like Mahomes is to the Fanbase and if Mahomes throws two or three TDs in the second half and just lights Buffalo up and we win how in the world do you go back to Alex Smith at that point?:shrug:

If that's why they didn't play Mahomes... what if he throws 2 or 3 TD's and we win... then Andy needs to go too!

Dungy just defended Alex Smith saying if he was Alex Smith he would go into Andy’s office and demand that Andy put him in a position to win games!:rolleyes:

It was reported that Peters and Kelce left the locker room before reporters were allowed in for interviews. Might have been a good thing if they have lost faith in Smith.

That sounds more like Dungy i calling out Reid's playclling

Exactly. But Andy knows just how good Patrick is and he doesn’t want any of that lethal play to come out because well ........He wants to avoid conflict. Andy has that personality of avoiding conflict at all costs and why you get that it’s on me fellas every week. And I think he knows he has Clark in his back pocket and can afford to still set Patrick.

Alex looked like a beaten dog today. Had his head down on the sidelines quite a bit and looked dejected based on his body language. Very little interaction with his teammates. Would not be surprised to see him benched next week.

It's possible that they honestly don't think Mahomes is ready. We do because we want him to be, but we are not in practices, film room, meetings etc. He may just not be ready (in their eyes) yet.

Good for them that they show maturity and leave before they would say something that my get them in trouble and as always actions speak louder than words. And these actions will say a lot more to Reid and the front office in a better way.