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kccrow 12-13-2017 11:29 AM

Blow This Mofo Up Mock (12/13)
 
Sign:
Malcolm Butler, CB (NE)
Butler is a premier corner in the NFL, sticking in coverage to his man, following elite receivers, and making plays on the football. He's also solid in run support, unlike Marcus Peters.
(reference J. Norman, X. Rhodes, P. Peterson)
5 years, $70.0 million, $15 million signing bonus, $35 million guaranteed
~ $11.0 million 2018

Christian Jones, ILB (CHI)
(reference V. Williams, D. Bates, C. Robertson, etc)
3 years, $8 million, $1.5 million signing bonus
~ $2.0 million 2018

Quinton Dial, DL (GB)
(reference Z. Hood, M. Unrein)
2 years, $2.3 million, $300k signing bonus
~ $1.0 million 2018

Justin Coleman, CB (SEA)
(reference J. Bademosi, M. Sherels)
2 years, $4 million, $1.5 million guaranteed
~ $1.5 million 2018

Denico Autry, DE/OLB (OAK)
(reference C. Washington, B. Mayowa)
2 years, $5.8 million, $1.5 million guaranteed
~ $2.2 million 2018

DaQuan Jones, DE (TEN)
(reference C. Heyward, C. Liuget, M. Daniels, D. Wolfe, etc)
4 years, $42 million, $13 million guaranteed
~ $7.5 million 2018

Trey Burton, TE (PHI)
(reference L. Toilolo, M. Lewis, etc)
3 years, $12 million, $5 million guaranteed
~$3.5 million 2018

Total: ~ $28.7 million 2018

Re-Sign:
Anthony Sherman, FB
(reference P. DiMarco)
4 years, $8.5 million, $2 million signing bonus
~ $2 million 2018

Tyler Bray, QB
(reference R. Griffen, K. Clemens, B. Weeden, C. Daniel, etc)
2 years, $2.4 million
~ $1.2 million 2018

Zach Fulton, OL
(reference T. Larson, M. Slauson, T. Johnson, etc)
3 years, $5.8 million
~ $1.8 million 2018

Rakeem Nunez-Roches, DL
RFA Tender Original Round
~ $1.8 million 2018

Terrance Smith, ILB
ERFA Tender
~$630k 2018

Kevin Pierre-Louis, ILB
(a Zombo-esque deal)
3 years, $3.6 million, $600k guaranteed
~ $1.2 million 2018

Albert Wilson, WR
(reference R. Shepard, M. Goodwin, T. Gabriel, D. Inman, etc)
3 years, $10 million, $2 million guaranteed
~ $2.3 million 2018

Jarvis Jenkins, DE
1 year, $790k

Total: ~ $11.7 million 2018


Total Cap Space needed: $40.4 + $5 million buffer + $3 million effective draft = $48.4 million


Let walk:

LB R. Wilson (RFA)
WR D. Thomas
DB T. Mitchell
DB S. Terrell
DB K. Acker
DB P. Gaines
DL R. Miller
OL J. Devey
OL Z. Fulton
SP D. Colquitt

Other Transactions:

Trade Alex Smith, QB ($17 million cap space)
Chiefs trade QB Alex Smith to Jacksonville for a 3rd round selection in the 2018 draft and conditional 4th round pick in the 2019 draft. Jacksonville is in win now mode and their problems start and end at QB. Smith is a steady, reliable QB that doesn't turn the ball over (contrary to what they get from Bortles) and Tom Coughlin should favor bringing that into the fold if possible.
Trade Marcus Peters, CB ($1.7 million cap space)
Chiefs trade CB Marcus Peters to Los Angeles Rams for a 2nd round selection in the 2018 draft. The Rams may lose FA CB Trumaine Johnson. They can get a young, cheaper, replacement for the next 2 seasons and Peters can be closer to Chokeland.
Retire/Release Derrick Johnson, ILB ($8 million cap space)
Retire/Release Tamba Hali, OLB ($7 million cap space)
Release Demetrius Harris, TE ($2 million cap space)
Release Allen Bailey, DE ($6 million cap space)
Release Ron Parker, S ($5 million cap space)
Release Charcandrick West, RB ($1.7 million cap space)

Total Cap Space Gained: $49.4 million

Other Selection Notes:
Chiefs traded 2018 1st round selection to Buffalo for the 10th selection in the 2017 draft.
Chiefs traded 2018 5th round selection to Cleveland for Cameron Erving (OL)
Chiefs receive 2018 conditional 7th* round selection from Seattle for Isaiah Battle (OL). *Presumed 7th since Seattled traded their 6th round selection to Oakland in the deal for Marshawn Lynch.
Chiefs receive 2018 conditional 7th round selection from Arizona for Marcus Cooper (CB)
Chiefs receive 2018 conditional 7th round selection from Tennesee for David King (DL)
Chiefs traded 2018 7th round selection to San Francisco for Kenneth Acker (CB)

Draft:

2. Isaiah Wynn, OL, Georgia (6'2" 300)
2. (LAR/Peters) Mike Hughes, CB, Central Florida (5'11' 190)
3. Lorenzo Carter, DE, Georgia (6'6" 245)
3. (JAX/Smith) Armani Watts, FS, Texas A&M (5'11" 195)
4. Kurt Benkert, QB, Virginia (6'4" 215)
6. Deatrick Nichols, CB, South Florida (5'10" 190)
6. (COMP/Foles) Linell Bonner, WR, Houston (6'0" 200)
7. (SEA/Battle) Anthony Sherrils, SS, Missouri (6'0" 200)
7. (ARZ/Cooper) Brandon Lingen, TE, Minnesota (6'5" 250)
7. (TEN/King) Spencer Smith, P, Memphis



Roster:
QB: P. Mahomes, T. Bray, K. Benkert
RB: K. Hunt, S. Ware, A. Hunt
FB: A. Sherman
TE: T. Kelce, T. Burton, B. Lingen
WR: T. Hill, C. Conley, D. Robinson, A. Wilson, J. Chesson, L. Bonner
OL: E. Fisher, I. Wynn, M. Morse, L. Duvernay-Tardif, M. Schwartz, P. Ehinger, B. Witzman, C. Erving, Z. Fulton
DL: C. Jones, D. Jones, J. Jenkins, T. Kpassagnon, Q. Dial, R. Nunez-Roches
OLB: J. Houston, D. Ford, L. Carter, D. Autry, D. Nicolas, F. Zombo
ILB:, R. Ragland, C. Jones, U. Eligwe, K. Pierre-Louis, T. Smith
CB: M. Butler, D. Revis M. Hughes, S. Nelson, J. Coleman, D. Nichols
DB: E. Berry, A. Watts, D. Sorensen, E. Murray, A. Sherrils
ST: H. Butker, J. Winchester, S. Smith

Not sure I could expect 4 big-time transactions (acquire Butler and Jones, trade Peters and Smith) in one offseason, but at this juncture I'm gonna put some hope into it.

The Franchise 12-13-2017 11:32 AM

What are you doing with Revis? I didn't see him being cut and I don't see him on the depth chart.

kccrow 12-13-2017 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 13280749)
What are you doing with Revis? I didn't see him being cut and I don't see him on the depth chart.

Keeping him until I see reason not too. He's in there squashed up to Hughes. I forgot a ,....

Direckshun 12-13-2017 12:24 PM

I think Peters is worth a 1st. He's got a couple All Pros under his belt.

O.city 12-13-2017 12:32 PM

They're not trading Peters.

They'll play out the string and let him walk. No one is trading a first round pick for him either.

Hoover 12-13-2017 01:19 PM

Fulton has started 44 games over the first four years of his career.


If you think you can resign a guy like that to a three year 5.8 million deal you are fu@king crazy. The Broncos gave Ronald Leary 4 years, $35 million. Larry Warford signed a 4 year, $34 million with Detroit. Now Fulton might not get 4 years 30 million, but he's not going to sign for 2 mil per. Stop under valuing players on our roster.

Dude is leaving because someone will pay good money for him, and we will get a nice comp pick.

DaneMcCloud 12-13-2017 04:47 PM

So you're re-signing Fulton but cutting him.

That's a bold move, Cotton.

DaneMcCloud 12-13-2017 04:47 PM

The Chiefs aren't cutting Charcandrick West. He's their best 3rd down back, by far, and a great blocker.

They're also not cutting Ron Parker or Allen Bailey.

In order to cut these guys, you'd have to acquire two starting players to replace them.

That's not happening.

raybec 4 12-13-2017 04:57 PM

We desperately need a more effective pass rush, going into '18 counting on Ford is a fool's gamble.

kccrow 12-13-2017 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 13281016)
Fulton has started 44 games over the first four years of his career.


If you think you can resign a guy like that to a three year 5.8 million deal you are fu@king crazy. The Broncos gave Ronald Leary 4 years, $35 million. Larry Warford signed a 4 year, $34 million with Detroit. Now Fulton might not get 4 years 30 million, but he's not going to sign for 2 mil per. Stop under valuing players on our roster.

Dude is leaving because someone will pay good money for him, and we will get a nice comp pick.


Let's not pretend Fulton has ever played at a high level at either position. He's serviceable. The last guy I remember being just like Fulton? Dan Connolly (Patriots). He never did get a big deal. I'm not going to say you're wrong, but I'm not going to bow down and think you're right either. EDIT: That being said, I'd rather get a good comp for him if we can't re-sign him. Not really a lose situation for a 6th round pick.


Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13281551)
So you're re-signing Fulton but cutting him.

That's a bold move, Cotton.

Yeah, that was an oops.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13281552)
The Chiefs aren't cutting Charcandrick West. He's their best 3rd down back, by far, and a great blocker.

They're also not cutting Ron Parker or Allen Bailey.

In order to cut these guys, you'd have to acquire two starting players to replace them.

That's not happening.

West is fools gold. So is Akeem Hunt. Keep the cheaper one and hope a gem falls through the UDFA cracks.

I'd agree they probably won't cut either of these guys, but I did mock to replace them with DaQuan Jones in FA and Armani Watts in the draft.

Quote:

Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 13281575)
We desperately need a more effective pass rush, going into '18 counting on Ford is a fool's gamble.

Added FA Denico Audry and drafted Lorenzo Carter. Not sure how much more you want there?

BryanBusby 12-13-2017 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13281552)
The Chiefs aren't cutting Charcandrick West. He's their best 3rd down back, by far, and a great blocker.

They're also not cutting Ron Parker or Allen Bailey.

In order to cut these guys, you'd have to acquire two starting players to replace them.

That's not happening.

Allen Bailey has been mostly bad this year and is definitely a guy I can see them cutting. Parker probably is staying another year.

smith11 12-14-2017 01:38 AM

im not so sure jacksonville will be in market for a qb--they lead their division with bortles and he had 2 really good games of late

could see arizona looking at smith to replace palmer--

DaneMcCloud 12-14-2017 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 13282315)
Allen Bailey has been mostly bad this year and is definitely a guy I can see them cutting. Parker probably is staying another year.

The problem is replacing Bailey.

This is a bad year for free agents.

The Chiefs are already thin at D line and cutting Bailey makes them worse.

I think he’s a near lock in 2018.

BryanBusby 12-15-2017 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13284468)
The problem is replacing Bailey.

This is a bad year for free agents.

The Chiefs are already thin at D line and cutting Bailey makes them worse.

I think he’s a near lock in 2018.

Even with a thin FA class, I think he can he replaced with a cheaper option that would at least give you similar quality play.

No way he's worth keeping without a major paycut.

DaneMcCloud 12-15-2017 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 13281863)
West is fools gold. So is Akeem Hunt. Keep the cheaper one and hope a gem falls through the UDFA cracks

By all accounts, Charcandrick West is the most liked player in the Chiefs lockerroom. He's been a very solid 3rd down back this year and blocks his ass off.

It's not a good look to cut an effective, cheap and well liked player.

The Franchise 12-15-2017 12:08 PM

Considering how we’ve been with injuries....I’m keeping Hunt, Ware and West as my RBs next season.

Easy 6 12-15-2017 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 13285270)
Considering how we’ve been with injuries....I’m keeping Hunt, Ware and West as my RBs next season.

Yup, and hide a gem on the PS besides that

RealSNR 12-16-2017 12:11 PM

Bailey is just inconsistent. Every game or so he's usually good for a big play. Other than that, he doesn't do much for our line.

If a better option comes around, I'm all for that

Sweet Daddy Hate 12-16-2017 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13281551)
So you're re-signing Fulton but cutting him.

That's a bold move, Cotton.

ROFL

Hoover 12-17-2017 10:31 AM

Again Fulton has built a nice resume, especially at center. CP sees his value at center, and yet he's going to sign a 3 years, $5.8 million contract.

LOL

He's going to average 4M a year

kccrow 12-17-2017 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 13290922)
Again Fulton has built a nice resume, especially at center. CP sees his value at center, and yet he's going to sign a 3 years, $5.8 million contract.

LOL

He's going to average 4M a year

So, even though the Chiefs don't consider him the best center on their own team, you think the NFL is going to consider him in the top third of centers in the NFL and pay him as such? I dunno man. Kudos to him is he gets that. If he gets that kind of offer, I think it'd be similar to Wisniewski's 3 years 8 million with incentives to get it to 14 mill.

Hoover 12-17-2017 07:15 PM

My main point is that we under value guys like Fulton. We did it with LDT and we did it with Hudson. Yeah he’s a 6th round pick but all the kid has done is start double digit games every season for a good franchise that wins more than it loses. I get that we would love nothing more than to get a deal on his next contract, he’ll who wouldn’t. But we see his value around here as a center in this league, and let’s not pretend other front offices do either.

DaneMcCloud 12-18-2017 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 13292680)
My main point is that we under value guys like Fulton. We did it with LDT and we did it with Hudson. Yeah he’s a 6th round pick but all the kid has done is start double digit games every season for a good franchise that wins more than it loses. I get that we would love nothing more than to get a deal on his next contract, he’ll who wouldn’t. But we see his value around here as a center in this league, and let’s not pretend other front offices do either.

Who is “we”?

Hoover 12-18-2017 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13295777)
Who is “we”?

"We" a plurality of people on the Chiefsplanet.com message board.

RunKC 12-19-2017 09:41 AM

Love Trey Burton. He’s a dynamic WR/TE mix that fits perfectly in this system. I would like to get him in FA.

Basically we have 3 priorities this spring:

1. Add another weapon on offense in the event one of Kelce, Hunt, Hill gets hurt.
2. Add another pass rusher to the front 7.
3. Clean up good but not great parts of the team (i.e. OL, S)

DaneMcCloud 12-20-2017 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 13295779)
"We" a plurality of people on the Chiefsplanet.com message board.

Please exclude me from your "we".

Thanks in advance.

Hoover 12-20-2017 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13299397)
Please exclude me from your "we".

Thanks in advance.

Never included you because I try to pretend you don’t exist

DaneMcCloud 12-20-2017 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 13299558)
Never included you because I try to pretend you don’t exist

I’m not surprised.

Being constantly reminded of your everlasting failures must suck.

pugsnotdrugs19 12-21-2017 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13296073)
Love Trey Burton. He’s a dynamic WR/TE mix that fits perfectly in this system. I would like to get him in FA.

Basically we have 3 priorities this spring:

1. Add another weapon on offense in the event one of Kelce, Hunt, Hill gets hurt.
2. Add another pass rusher to the front 7.
3. Clean up good but not great parts of the team (i.e. OL, S)

Week 17 would be a great test to see what our depth receivers and tight ends currently on the roster can do with Mahomes. That'll help to clear up the offseason plan somewhat, although Denver presents a great test for the WRs.

Chief Northman 12-21-2017 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13300084)
Week 17 would be a great test to see what our depth receivers and tight ends currently on the roster can do with Mahomes. That'll help to clear up the offseason plan somewhat, although Denver presents a great test for the WRs.

The fact we were in on Britt tells me Veach is not pleased with the production at WR behind Hill. Not sure going with another rookie will cut it as Conley, Robinson and Chesson have yet to establish their presence. Some decent free agent receivers will be a available.

Want to make a real splash in free agency?

Go get Muhammed Wilkerson. No way the Jets keep him.

The Franchise 12-22-2017 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Northman (Post 13301064)
The fact we were in on Britt tells me Veach is not pleased with the production at WR behind Hill. Not sure going with another rookie will cut it as Conley, Robinson and Chesson have yet to establish their presence. Some decent free agent receivers will be a available.

Want to make a real splash in free agency?

Go get Muhammed Wilkerson. No way the Jets keep him.

Why would you want Wilkerson? He got paid and then ****ing stopped trying. **** him.

BryanBusby 12-22-2017 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 13301640)
Why would you want Wilkerson? He got paid and then ****ing stopped trying. **** him.

I'd take him on one of those lovely option deals where we will never exercise that option. Keep him motivated.

RunKC 12-23-2017 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Northman (Post 13301064)
The fact we were in on Britt tells me Veach is not pleased with the production at WR behind Hill. Not sure going with another rookie will cut it as Conley, Robinson and Chesson have yet to establish their presence. Some decent free agent receivers will be a available.

Want to make a real splash in free agency?

Go get Muhammed Wilkerson. No way the Jets keep him.

We most likely went after Britt bc of the loss of Conley. Right now we don’t have a big blocking/possession WR.

Chesson is going to be that guy along with Conley next season, but right now he’s just not ready for that big of a role according to the staff.

kccrow 02-26-2018 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 13280739)
Other Transactions:

Trade Alex Smith, QB ($17 million cap space)
Chiefs trade QB Alex Smith to Jacksonville for a 3rd round selection in the 2018 draft and conditional 4th round pick in the 2019 draft. Jacksonville is in win now mode and their problems start and end at QB. Smith is a steady, reliable QB that doesn't turn the ball over (contrary to what they get from Bortles) and Tom Coughlin should favor bringing that into the fold if possible.

Trade Marcus Peters, CB ($1.7 million cap space)
Chiefs trade CB Marcus Peters to Los Angeles Rams for a 2nd round selection in the 2018 draft. The Rams may lose FA CB Trumaine Johnson. They can get a young, cheaper, replacement for the next 2 seasons and Peters can be closer to Chokeland.

Retire/Release Derrick Johnson, ILB ($8 million cap space)
Retire/Release Tamba Hali, OLB ($7 million cap space)
Release Demetrius Harris, TE ($2 million cap space)
Release Allen Bailey, DE ($6 million cap space)
Release Ron Parker, S ($5 million cap space)
Release Charcandrick West, RB ($1.7 million cap space)

Total Cap Space Gained: $49.4 million


I ****ing promise you guys, I did not send Veach a letter and I am not Veach. Promise.


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