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TinyEvel 12-20-2017 11:52 PM

How much is each NFL team Worth?
 
Chiefs rank #24 at 2.1 BILLION dollars. Hunts don't want to run them, I'm sure we could pool our bitcoin and buy them from the family. A bargain! WHo's with me?

link: https://www.forbes.com/nfl-valuations/list/#tab:overall

(sorry if this makes your eyes bleed. I couldn't get to space out)


Team Current Value 1-Yr ChangeDebt/ValueRevenue Oper Income
#1 Dallas Cowboys $4.8 B 14% 8% $840 M $350 M
#2 New England Patriots $3.7 B 9% 6% $575 M $247 M
#3 New York Giants $3.3 B 6% 15% $477 M $131 M
#4 Washington Redskins $3.1 B 5% 8% $482 M $145 M
#5 San Francisco 49ers $3.05 B 2% 16% $458 M $130 M
#6 Los Angeles Rams $3 B 3% 33% $370 M $82 M
#7 Chicago Bears $2.85 B 6% 4% $416 M $114 M
#8 Houston Texans $2.8 B 8% 2% $433 M $141 M
#9 New York Jets $2.75 B 0% 20% $431 M $92 M
#10 Philadelphia Eagles $2.65 B 6% 7% $430 M $63 M

#11 Denver Broncos $2.6 B 8% 4% $411 M $81 M
#12 Miami Dolphins $2.575 B 8% 17% $376 M $65 M
#13 Green Bay Packers $2.55 B 9% 4% $421 M $91 M
#14 Baltimore Ravens $2.5 B 9% 11% $403 M $78 M
#15 Atlanta Falcons $2.475 B 16% 34% $367 M $94 M
#16 Pittsburgh Steelers $2.45 B 9% 8% $401 M $102 M
#17 Seattle Seahawks $2.425 B 9% 6% $399 M $85 M
#18 Minnesota Vikings $2.4 B 9% 24% $392 M $105 M
#19 Oakland Raiders $2.38 B 13% 13% $321 M $41 M
#20 Indianapolis Colts $2.375 B 9% 3% $360 M $78 M
#21 Carolina Panthers $2.3 B 11% 3% $385 M $102 M
#22 Los Angeles Chargers $2.275 B 9% 7% $355 M $60 M
#23 Arizona Cardinals $2.15 B 6% 7% $370 M $87 M
#24 Kansas City Chiefs $2.1 B 12% 3% $365 M $60 M
#25 Jacksonville Jaguars $2.075 B 6% 4% $377 M $89 M
#26 Tennessee Titans $2.05 B 2% 7% $366 M $79 M
#27 New Orleans Saints $2 B 14% 10% $395 M $97 M
#28 Tampa Bay Buccaneers$1.975 B 10% 9% $367 M $80 M
#29 Cleveland Browns $1.95 B 5% 11% $365 M $97 M
#30 Cincinnati Bengals $1.8 B 7% 6% $355 M $77 M
#31 Detroit Lions $1.7 B 3% 15% $341 M $48 M
#32 Buffalo Bills $1.6 B 7% 12% $352 M $53 M

kccrow 12-21-2017 12:11 AM

One of the lowest revenue streams and one of the lowest operating revenues... hrmmm I'd have to think the Panthers are a bit better purchase at the moment, and they're actually for sale. ;)

ThaVirus 12-21-2017 12:23 AM

Not surprising to see the entirety of the NFC East in the top 10

'Hamas' Jenkins 12-21-2017 12:54 AM

As soon as the live sports bubble bursts, these values are going to crater. If it was purely a money-making asset and not a dick-measuring contest, I'm sure a lot of these guys would be selling, too.

bigjosh 12-21-2017 01:03 AM

I hate the format that came out up in the OP.

Here.

https://image.ibb.co/hrumaR/value1.jpg
https://image.ibb.co/k3Qg9m/value2.jpg
https://image.ibb.co/fYR4Um/value3.jpg

TinyEvel 12-21-2017 01:25 AM

Interesting how 6 of the top 10 are not really "legacy" or winning teams in the past 20 years.

But all are major markets.

bigjosh 12-21-2017 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by TinyEvel (Post 13299930)
Interesting how 6 of the top 10 are not really "legacy" or winning teams in the past 20 years.

But all are major markets.

Yeah, the whole list is market driven. It makes sense. Also worth note is that the entire NFC east is in the top 10, with three out of the top four spots. I wonder if that could have something to do with extra TV revenue from being forced down the audiences ****ing throat for 20 years.

The fact that the Ravens are worth more than the colts (who left baltimore) is funny to me. **** the colts.

RobBlake 12-21-2017 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 13299922)
As soon as the live sports bubble bursts, these values are going to crater. If it was purely a money-making asset and not a dick-measuring contest, I'm sure a lot of these guys would be selling, too.

Won’t happen and if it does won’t be anytime soon.

eDave 12-21-2017 02:09 AM

Clark should sell.

Danguardace 12-21-2017 02:45 AM

Imagine CP running the Chiefs? We'd have a new Coach, QB or Secondary after every loss.

cooper barrett 12-21-2017 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by eDave (Post 13299941)
Clark should sell.

He's loyal to KC at least until contact negotiations, then he's all: "We're out of here" bullshit.

Question is, who would buy a team for 2.1B with a nut of $305M and returns of $60M knowing that values, revenues and profits are going down.

If someone were to throw a $2B bone to the the Hunts would they take it? Capital gains did not change but reinvesting the money could avoid that.

cooper barrett 12-21-2017 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Danguardace (Post 13299943)
Imagine CP running the Chiefs? We'd have a new Coach, QB or Secondary after every loss.

"Welcome to the biggest Shit Show on Earth"

Rasputin 12-21-2017 03:53 AM

They are worth as much as one multi billionaire is willing to pay.

InChiefsHeaven 12-21-2017 07:17 AM

It is kinda funny that the least valued franchise in our division is fixing to win it's second division title in a row...

Bowser 12-21-2017 10:10 AM

How the hell are the Cardinals worth more than us?

Rain Man 12-21-2017 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TinyEvel (Post 13299886)
Chiefs rank #24 at 2.1 BILLION dollars. Hunts don't want to run them, I'm sure we could pool our bitcoin and buy them from the family. A bargain! WHo's with me?

We're already putting an ownership group together for the Panthers, based on demonpenz's thread. We've raised $30,000 so far, and if we take Diddy into the ownership group, $500,030,000. Feel free to join that effort since it'll come to fruition faster.

DaneMcCloud 12-21-2017 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 13300170)
How the hell are the Cardinals worth more than us?

The Phoenix media market is #12 overall in the country.

The Kansas City media market is #33.

Rain Man 12-21-2017 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13300334)
The Phoenix media market is #12 overall in the country.

The Kansas City media market is #33.

Plus, birdwatchers are probably a big market segment nationally, while Native American watchers are just seen as weird.

eDave 12-21-2017 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cooper barrett (Post 13299944)
He's loyal to KC at least until contact negotiations, then he's all: "We're out of here" bullshit.

Question is, who would buy a team for 2.1B with a nut of $305M and returns of $60M knowing that values, revenues and profits are going down.

If someone were to throw a $2B bone to the the Hunts would they take it? Capital gains did not change but reinvesting the money could avoid that.

P. Diddy

MahiMike 12-21-2017 01:13 PM

Insane. Richardson is lucky to be selling at the top. Or at least his kids are lucky.

cooper barrett 12-21-2017 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 13300337)
Plus, birdwatchers are probably a big market segment nationally, while Native American watchers are just seen as weird.

How?

ChiefsCountry 12-21-2017 03:29 PM

Richardson and his family own only 48% of the team, but its the controlling interest of the team.

cooper barrett 12-21-2017 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 13300492)
Insane. Richardson is lucky to be selling at the top. Or at least his kids are lucky.

Jerry Richardson's son, Mark, was appointed as the team's second president in 1997 and served in that role until he stepped down in 2009. His brother Jon, who had been president of Bank of America Stadium, stepped down at the same time. The resignations of Mark and Jon Richardson were unexpected, as it was thought that the two would eventually take over the team from their father.[

I bet that turns into a bigger mess that you may think, Richardson is a front man/ minority shareholder, there are partners to contend with.

52% owned by a group of 14 limited partners.

Rain Man 12-21-2017 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by cooper barrett (Post 13300716)
How?

That's racist.

Kiimo 12-21-2017 04:35 PM

I wonder how much the Rams and Chargers jumped up.

cooper barrett 12-21-2017 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 13300831)
I wonder how much the Rams and Chargers jumped up.

Ram's debt sure climbed, San Diego is on the hook for $650M to move. It is not listed as a get yet as it is not due.

cooper barrett 12-21-2017 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 13300791)
That's racist.

And to think that you seemed nice....

displacedinMN 12-21-2017 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 13299908)
Not surprising to see the entirety of the NFC East in the top 10

Agree. How many KC markets does it take to equal the NY market?

OnTheWarpath15 12-21-2017 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 13299946)
They are worth as much as one multi billionaire is willing to pay.

Exactly.

Best22 12-21-2017 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigjosh (Post 13299937)
Yeah, the whole list is market driven. It makes sense. Also worth note is that the entire NFC east is in the top 10, with three out of the top four spots. I wonder if that could have something to do with extra TV revenue from being forced down the audiences ****ing throat for 20 years.

The fact that the Ravens are worth more than the colts (who left baltimore) is funny to me. **** the colts.

Quote:

Originally Posted by displacedinMN (Post 13300921)
Agree. How many KC markets does it take to equal the NY market?

About 10

MahiMike 12-21-2017 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cooper barrett (Post 13300752)
Jerry Richardson's son, Mark, was appointed as the team's second president in 1997 and served in that role until he stepped down in 2009. His brother Jon, who had been president of Bank of America Stadium, stepped down at the same time. The resignations of Mark and Jon Richardson were unexpected, as it was thought that the two would eventually take over the team from their father.[

I bet that turns into a bigger mess that you may think, Richardson is a front man/ minority shareholder, there are partners to contend with.

52% owned by a group of 14 limited partners.

48% of $2B is still quite sweet.

AssEaterChief 12-21-2017 08:14 PM

Does anyone know how operating income is calculated?

And how the hell does Dallas spend that much more than the rest of the league?

KranzDictum 12-21-2017 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InChiefsHell (Post 13299984)
It is kinda funny that the least valued franchise in our division is fixing to win it's second division title in a row...

I thought it was sad that the only team in our division to win a SB in this century is only listed at 11.

cooper barrett 12-21-2017 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AssEaterChief (Post 13301120)
Does anyone know how operating income is calculated?

And how the hell does Dallas spend that much more than the rest of the league?

They sell 25K more tickets a game 200K seats @$100= $22M , charge more, and sell more stuff and have more corporate sponsors. The suites bring in more than $80 million a year in revenue. The cowboys do not share revenue with the league,TV, clothing, sponsorships NADA When ATT tosses their name on the building it cost money.
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The sponsorship deal was reported to be worth about $17–19 million per year
I don't think Hunt is able to name the stadium, if he could, I don't think anyone with deep pockets have come forward to put their name on it. Kauffman set a precedent.

ChiefsCountry 12-22-2017 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by cooper barrett (Post 13301257)

I don't think Hunt is able to name the stadium, if he could, I don't think anyone with deep pockets have come forward to put their name on it. Kauffman set a precedent.

Your a dumb ass. Chiefs have the power to sell the naming rights to Arrowhead. American Century about did it. Royals almost had US Bank on Kauffman.

cooper barrett 12-22-2017 06:53 AM

Multiple gratuitous exclamatives to you also,

I said "think" because Clark Hunt would be ridiculed for ever making "Arrowhead" anything but Arrowhead. Hunt knows it, Donovan knows it, Hunt Midwest knows it too. Whoever may cough up enough money to get them to do so, knows that a $25M+ renaming deal will still have the stadium referred to as Arrowhead and never as Garmin Field at Arrowhead or Garmin Stadium. It will always been and probably will be Arrowhead.

The Chiefs also know that unless you are an iconic KC business, and even then, it will be a gutsy call to commit $25M+ dollars to putting your name on KC institutions. KU knew that and opted for the practice facility.
Just like you will never get Kaufman's name off of the old Royal's Stadium.
I think when it was named after Ewing Kauffman, (Murial too), that it's something you take their recognition away from by putting a corporate name and logo next to theirs. Plus Jackson County has to approve and share the revenue.

Arrowhead will always be Arrowhead and Kaufman will always be Kaufman and if Hunt or Glass have big enough balls and can find someone with $25M+ who want's the ill-will towards their company, with very little name recognition by attaching to or from removing them: I wish them good luck.

https://s26.postimg.org/nvb4x2vg9/arrorhead.jpg

Either one will be seen by KC fans as a deal with the devil. If they build a baseball stadium downtown, naming rights will certainly be a topic for discussion and probably retained by the stadium authority not the lessee but personally, we can't build an airport, we are not getting a downtown stadium anytime soon. If you want to name something how about "Big Bob's Used Carpet International Airport"?

Like I said: I don't think that Hunt is "able" to rename Arrowhead Stadium. It was an opinion and I'm sticking to it.

Go back in your hole and fight with the rat for the warm spot to sleep.






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chiefzilla1501 12-22-2017 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cooper barrett (Post 13299944)
He's loyal to KC at least until contact negotiations, then he's all: "We're out of here" bullshit.

Question is, who would buy a team for 2.1B with a nut of $305M and returns of $60M knowing that values, revenues and profits are going down.

If someone were to throw a $2B bone to the the Hunts would they take it? Capital gains did not change but reinvesting the money could avoid that.

Because an owner can do Jack shit and make a killing off of guaranteed, shared TV revenue. Revenue sharing may create parity, but it also creates no accountability. Owner can fail miserably but profit handsomely off of the leagues overall success. The more interesting bubble to watch is 2022 when the TV contract expires. I doubt the current TV players will pony up that kind of guaranteed cash. It's one of the things I hate about revenue sharing. If you can't make money, get out and sell it to someone who can. Wonder how many of these owners would do if they didn't have the cushion of other teams' shared TV revenue.

DaneMcCloud 12-22-2017 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cooper barrett (Post 13301257)
The cowboys do not share revenue with the league.

To clarify, the Cowboys, just like every other NFL team, share 40% of ticket revenues for each game.

DaneMcCloud 12-22-2017 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cooper barrett (Post 13299944)
Question is, who would buy a team for 2.1B with a nut of $305M and returns of $60M knowing that values, revenues and profits are going down.

What? Profits are not "going down".

Amazon paid $50 million to broadcast just a few Thursday Night games on Amazon Prime, something that didn't happen last year, and Verizon just signed a 5 year, $2.5 Billion dollar deal to broadcast all games for their subscribers.

Revenues continue to climb, each and every year.

DaneMcCloud 12-22-2017 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 13301501)
I doubt the current TV players will pony up that kind of guaranteed cash.

As usual, you're dead wrong.

There is no single episode of any broadcast TV series that can generate 26 million viewers, as the NFL can for ONE GAME, each week.

Nielsen ratings may be on the decline but that doesn't mean that the NFL's overall reach, including streaming and mobile services, is declining.

DaneMcCloud 12-22-2017 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by cooper barrett (Post 13301462)
I said "think" because Clark Hunt would be ridiculed for ever making "Arrowhead" anything but Arrowhead. Hunt knows it, Donovan knows it, Hunt Midwest knows it too. Whoever may cough up enough money to get them to do so, knows that a $25M+ renaming deal will still have the stadium referred to as Arrowhead and never as Garmin Field at Arrowhead or Garmin Stadium. It will always been and probably will be Arrowhead.

Just because it hasn't made financial sense for the Chiefs to sell naming rights today doesn't mean it won't happen tomorrow.

cooper barrett 12-22-2017 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13302005)
To clarify, the Cowboys, just like every other NFL team, share 40% of ticket revenues for each game.

not the suite or club level seating revenues of $80M.

chiefzilla1501 12-22-2017 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13302045)
As usual, you're dead wrong.

There is no single episode of any broadcast TV series that can generate 26 million viewers, as the NFL can for ONE GAME, each week.

Nielsen ratings may be on the decline but that doesn't mean that the NFL's overall reach, including streaming and mobile services, is declining.

Directv is not going to give that huge of a guaranteed contract knowing their number of subscribers will be down. I didn't say TV revenue will go down. But it won't be one company guaranteeing the contract. As you said, it will probably be a mix of media types. I hope, at least.


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