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OnTheWarpath15 03-21-2018 08:13 AM

Ben Watson: Harris Replacement
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Meanwhile, the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> are looking to add depth and experience at TE, as they are working on a deal for veteran Benjamin Watson.</p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/976460180115329025?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 21, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Mother****erJones 03-21-2018 08:15 AM

Won’t miss the inevitable dropped red zone target by Harris.

InChiefsHeaven 03-21-2018 08:16 AM

So much for the youth movement...dude was drafted in 2004!!

Sassy Squatch 03-21-2018 08:17 AM

But why? He's old and not that good.

Eleazar 03-21-2018 08:17 AM

Good veteran signing, high character and clubhouse guy. Maybe some maturity will bleed over to Kelce

InChiefsHeaven 03-21-2018 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 13481295)
Won’t miss the inevitable dropped red zone target by Harris.

He had some drops to be sure, but he also had some amazing catches...all in all, I don't really have a bunch of Harris hate. But he's also a big whatever to me so...

Best22 03-21-2018 08:18 AM

Cheap, relatively productive old guys are fine

It's expensive old guys like Hali and DJ that hurt the team

Best22 03-21-2018 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InChiefsHell (Post 13481303)
He had some drops to be sure, but he also had some amazing catches...all in all, I don't really have a bunch of Harris hate. But he's also a big whatever to me so...

I think he had 22 targets and 6 drops last year

That's an insanely high drop rate for the NFL

Mother****erJones 03-21-2018 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InChiefsHell (Post 13481303)
He had some drops to be sure, but he also had some amazing catches...all in all, I don't really have a bunch of Harris hate. But he's also a big whatever to me so...

I don’t see his value now. Especially if KC takes a TE in a deep class

O.city 03-21-2018 08:19 AM

Cool.

Sassy Squatch 03-21-2018 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Best22 (Post 13481305)
I think he had 22 targets and 6 drops last year

That's an insanely high drop rate for the NFL

Jesus.

wazu 03-21-2018 08:21 AM

Yikes. Didn't realize this guy was still even around. Really, at this point if you are a mediocre to bad tight end and you haven't been able to find employment with the Chiefs, it's time to fire your agent.

Best22 03-21-2018 08:22 AM

2017 stats

Watson: 61 Receptions. 522 yards (8.6 Y/R). 4 touchdowns

Harris: 18 receptions. 224 yards (12.4 Y/R). 1 touchdown

I think if KC just wants a veteran tight end who catches and isn't a headcase, this is a good option.

Not as exciting as drafting a young, athletic TE though

Simply Red 03-21-2018 08:23 AM

he's a renter. Chill

Best22 03-21-2018 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13481311)
Jesus.

I was wrong. 35 targets

Still far too many drops

Mother****erJones 03-21-2018 08:25 AM

61 passes at 37 years old. Just adds some consistency behind Kelce for a year

O.city 03-21-2018 08:25 AM

Need a TE that can block. Watson can, so good deal.

Sure-Oz 03-21-2018 08:26 AM

Solud depth that you can Count on for this season and maybe 1 more

wazu 03-21-2018 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 13481319)
he's a renter. Chill

I'm chill. I don't have to like every move the Chiefs make. Just every big move.

O.city 03-21-2018 08:27 AM

Would like some solid depth and experience on the DL as well.

OnTheWarpath15 03-21-2018 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Best22 (Post 13481315)
2017 stats

Watson: 61 Receptions. 522 yards (8.6 Y/R). 4 touchdowns

Harris: 18 receptions. 224 yards (12.4 Y/R). 1 touchdown

I think if KC just wants a veteran tight end who catches and isn't a headcase, this is a good option.

Not as exciting as drafting a young, athletic TE though

And that was with a Ravens passing offense that was a ****ing mess.

2nd on the team in targets, 1st in receptions, 2nd in receiving yardage, tied for 1st in TD's.

He'll be a solid 2nd TE here, IMO.

KC_Lee 03-21-2018 08:27 AM

Surprised he's still in the league. Cheap vet with some remaining upside, let's do this.

chinaski 03-21-2018 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 13481329)
61 passes at 37 years old. Just adds some consistency behind Kelce for a year

37 :eek:

Born in 1980, I'm only 5 years older than this guy. Jesus.

Best22 03-21-2018 08:29 AM

Chiefs have tried drafting young TE in the later rounds before. Hasn't worked out. Sure, we could get a good one in the earlier rounds but maybe Veach wants to focus on Defense or Offensive line in the early rounds and knows he won't be able to find a reliable TE in the 4th round or later.


If Watson can perform like last year this is a great option. Playing in an offense with good receivers everywhere will even give the old guy more opportunities to get open, a luxury he'd didn't enjoy in Baltimore.

Just a thought

Simply Red 03-21-2018 08:29 AM

in defense of his drops - assuming the focus from opposing d's is elsewhere vs. KC - then I'd imagine he'll get better looks, no?

Simply Red 03-21-2018 08:30 AM

WELCOME TO MOE'S, BENJAMIN!!!!

Red Dawg 03-21-2018 08:31 AM

Harris can't catch. He needs to be replaced because this has gone on long enough. He did make a few big ones but his drops are killers.

Mother****erJones 03-21-2018 08:32 AM

Trade Harris for a 4th round pick from Cleveland

The Franchise 03-21-2018 08:32 AM

As long as he’s cheap....I’m good with it.

staylor26 03-21-2018 08:33 AM

Might as well cut Harris (assuming it creates cap space) and draft a guy too then

tmax63 03-21-2018 08:34 AM

A good solid TE2 for what I'm sure is a relative bargain. Another hole plugged for this season. I'm good with that.

O.city 03-21-2018 08:35 AM

Need a good solid option at #2 tight end. Block and catch passes.

Simply Red 03-21-2018 08:36 AM

I'd rather Lewis - but oh well. Just get someone plugged in there.

RunKC 03-21-2018 08:38 AM

Demetrius Harris and Ross Travis were the worst players on the offense last season. I’m glad they will both be gone.

Best22 03-21-2018 08:39 AM

Only question is age. Will he fall off a cliff? If he remains the same as last year then the Chiefs got a good one

SuperChief 03-21-2018 08:40 AM

If only Brad Cottam were available.

If.

Only.

OnTheWarpath15 03-21-2018 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 13481351)
Might as well cut Harris (assuming it creates cap space) and draft a guy too then

$1.9M saved for this season, which includes his $400k dead money hit.

Mecca 03-21-2018 08:43 AM

Hrm I thought Marcedes Lewis would be a better fit for that role but oh well. You do know if this happens they'll keep Harris and just alternate them...

Simply Red 03-21-2018 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13481380)
Hrm I thought Marcedes Lewis would be a better fit for that role but oh well. You do know if this happens they'll keep Harris and just alternate them...

how do you know for sure?

NIUhuskies 03-21-2018 08:46 AM

Need some type of vet leadership on the team and he’s cheap. Not a bad signing.

Still want to see the Chiefs somehow draft Giesicki from PSU. Him and Kelce in 2 TE sets especially by the goal line...Jesus


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raybec 4 03-21-2018 08:49 AM

Beat me to it with the Brad Cottam reference

wazu 03-21-2018 08:55 AM

Was glancing at Ben's wiki and was reminded of his thoughtful post following the Ferguson stuff that got a lot of national attention.

https://www.facebook.com/BenjaminWat...02172116576590

Mecca 03-21-2018 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 13481384)
how do you know for sure?

Because honestly, how often do we see the 3rd TE? More than most teams I'm sure we've seen Ross Travis and Orson Charles play..so this may be a move to allow that when all those guys play to have dudes they trust.

milkman 03-21-2018 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 13481346)
Harris can't catch. He needs to be replaced because this has gone on long enough. He did make a few big ones but his drops are killers.

Demetrius Harris and Alex Smith were a bad fit.

It's more difficult for receivers to maintain focus with QBs that lack arm strength and throw with little to no anticipation, and you are asking a guy that has very little experience to grow into a reliable receiver with that QB.

Simply Red 03-21-2018 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13481403)
Because honestly, how often do we see the 3rd TE? More than most teams I'm sure we've seen Ross Travis and Orson Charles play..so this may be a move to allow that when all those guys play to have dudes they trust.

Travis is gone but I see Charles is still on the roster. I don't know - I'm with you though - Lewis would have been a little better of a pick up - for an older player.

Mecca 03-21-2018 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 13481406)
Travis is gone but I see Charles is still on the roster. I don't know - I'm with you though - Lewis would have been a little better of a pick up - for an older player.

This staff loves Harris, I'll be surprised if they move on from him even with another addition to the position.

Watson however would be helpful if you want to play 3 TE's or give guys a breather since he actually can do everything you want.

JakeF 03-21-2018 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15 (Post 13481335)
And that was with a Ravens passing offense that was a ****ing mess.

2nd on the team in targets, 1st in receptions, 2nd in receiving yardage, tied for 1st in TD's.

He'll be a solid 2nd TE here, IMO.

A tightend often benefits from a poor offense.

TNTEICHER 03-21-2018 09:06 AM

A body to put next to Fisher.

JakeF 03-21-2018 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 13481404)
Demetrius Harris and Alex Smith were a bad fit.

It's more difficult for receivers to maintain focus with QBs that lack arm strength and throw with little to no anticipation, and you are asking a guy that has very little experience to grow into a reliable receiver with that QB.

Don't blame Alex Smith for Harris being an idiot. Hill and Kelce didn't have a problem developing with Smith.

milkman 03-21-2018 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 13481415)
A tightend often benefits from a poor offense.

It's also, however, no coincidence that many/most of the best TEs have played with some of the best QBs in the game.

milkman 03-21-2018 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 13481421)
Don't blame Alex Smith for Harris being an idiot. Hill and Kelce didn't have a problem developing with Smith.

Those guys spent their entire life working to get the the NFL.

And while I hate Alex Smith, this isn't about blame.

JakeF 03-21-2018 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 13481422)
It's also, however, no coincidence that many/most of the best TEs have played with some of the best QBs in the game.

Everyone benefits from an elite QB. I'm just saying that passing to the tight end is easier. Look at how well Tony Gonzalez did in terrible offenses. A play turns to crap and the QB panics and dumps it off to the TE. I'm not sure the Damon Huard looked at anyone else but Tony for entire drives at a time.

Best22 03-21-2018 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 13481432)
Those guys spent their entire life working to get the the NFL.

And while I hate Alex Smith, this isn't about blame.

If Harris in disinterested, then it's his fault, not Smith's.

It doesn't matter if he wasn't a natural football player. That's 1 million dollars a year he's making. If he can't get motivated for that $$, boot him

The Franchise 03-21-2018 09:16 AM

The offense could use some veterans. There really isn't any leadership on that side of the ball right now. Mahomes will/should step up but we need someone to rally the troops. Offense could use a little veteran leadership where the defense needs an injection of youth.

O.city 03-21-2018 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 13481439)
The offense could use some veterans. There really isn't any leadership on that side of the ball right now. Mahomes will/should step up but we need someone to rally the troops. Offense could use a little veteran leadership where the defense needs an injection of youth.

Got some good vets on the OL.

JakeF 03-21-2018 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 13481432)
Those guys spent their entire life working to get the the NFL.

And while I hate Alex Smith, this isn't about blame.

Ok, I guess I misunderstood.

Harris is an idiot. It was almost automatic that after a good play Harris would do something stupid. Maybe an elite QB would scare him into playing better but I just don't see it.

SuperBowl4 03-21-2018 09:20 AM

The Chiefs should try and get the TE the Jaguars just released

The Franchise 03-21-2018 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13481441)
Got some good vets on the OL.

Schwartz would probably be the only one and he doesn't look like the outspoken leader type.

JakeF 03-21-2018 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperBowl4 (Post 13481446)
The Chiefs should try and get the TE the Jaguars just released

Isn't Lewis pretty much done? He's been in the league for like 14 seasons.

milkman 03-21-2018 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 13481442)
Ok, I guess I misunderstood.

Harris is an idiot. It was almost automatic that after a good play Harris would do something stupid. Maybe an elite QB would scare him into playing better but I just don't see it.

Harris, like a lot of other, more experienced, receivers, made difficult catches, while dropping easy catches consistently.

Easy catches turn into drops because they start looking to make plays before they've secured the ball.

Throws that get there before they have time to think don't require that extended focus.

DaneMcCloud 03-21-2018 09:37 AM

I’m kind of surprised at this signing due to his advanced age in the Veach Reload but he should easily transistion in to Reid’s offense since he’s coming from playing for Morninwheg, a Reid disciple, in Baltimore.

SuperBowl4 03-21-2018 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 13481453)
Isn't Lewis pretty much done? He's been in the league for like 14 seasons.

He still looked good last season. He played in all 16 games including the playoffs. The former 1st round draft pick caught 24 for 318 and five TD's in the regular season and caught 4 for 21 and a TD in the three playoff games this past January. I say bring him in to KC for a look

Sassy Squatch 03-21-2018 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperBowl4 (Post 13481481)
He still looked good last season. He played in all 16 games including the playoffs. The former 1st round draft pick caught 24 for 318 and five TD's in the regular season and caught 4 for 21 and a TD in the three playoff games this past January. I say bring him in to KC for a look

What?

tooge 03-21-2018 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 13481404)
Demetrius Harris and Alex Smith were a bad fit.

It's more difficult for receivers to maintain focus with QBs that lack arm strength and throw with little to no anticipation, and you are asking a guy that has very little experience to grow into a reliable receiver with that QB.

Oh for ****s sake. Give it a rest. Harris sucks and would suck with any QB. He can't ****ing catch. You are a ****ing idiot

milkman 03-21-2018 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tooge (Post 13481487)
Oh for ****s sake. Give it a rest. Harris sucks and would suck with any QB. He can't ****ing catch. You are a ****ing idiot

How about you shove a fork up your rectum and pull your brains out.

tooge 03-21-2018 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 13481496)
How about you shove a fork up your rectum and pull your brains out.

Go deliver some mail or something. Your football take on this particular topic is ludicrous. Harris drops passes because he isn't a very good pass catcher. He loses focus, and spends his time smoking dope instead of with a jugs machine. "losing focus" waiting for a pass to get there is something that maybe Pop Warner kids do, but not professionals. I'm no Alex Smith fan, but bringing him into this discussion was totally unfounded and shows a lack of knowledge about what makes an NFL receiver worth while.

ToxSocks 03-21-2018 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13481380)
Hrm I thought Marcedes Lewis would be a better fit for that role but oh well. You do know if this happens they'll keep Harris and just alternate them...

If they do this then one of them won't make it out of camp. That 3rd TE will always be a young guy.

ToxSocks 03-21-2018 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13481409)
This staff loves Harris, I'll be surprised if they move on from him even with another addition to the position.

.

Dorsey loved Harris. But Harris has had enough time now to develop.

chinaski 03-21-2018 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 13481545)
Dorsey loved Harris. But Harris has had enough time now to develop.

Maybe he can go back to playing basketball.

ToxSocks 03-21-2018 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 13481457)
Harris, like a lot of other, more experienced, receivers, made difficult catches, while dropping easy catches consistently.

Too consistently...

carcosa 03-21-2018 10:37 AM

Wasn't Ben Watson the Patriots tight end in NFL Blitz 99

KChiefs1 03-21-2018 11:07 AM

Gotta draft a TE this year.

ToxSocks 03-21-2018 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 13481673)
Gotta draft a TE this year.

Yes. Kelce/Watson/Rookie of some sort.

Simply Red 03-21-2018 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carcosa (Post 13481614)
Wasn't Ben Watson the Patriots tight end in NFL Blitz 99

That was Ben Affleck

stumppy 03-21-2018 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 13481703)
That was Ben Affleck

Batman played for the Patriots? WOW

Beef Supreme 03-21-2018 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 13481703)
That was Ben Affleck

I think that was just his back tattoo.

saphojunkie 03-21-2018 11:42 AM

I just realized that Ben Watson is the only player on offense over 30 years old.

Simply Red 03-21-2018 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigChiefTablet (Post 13481730)
I think that was just his back tattoo.

http://i68.tinypic.com/2qwhca9.jpg

Simply Red 03-21-2018 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 13481731)
I just realized that Ben Watson is the only player on offense over 30 years old.

Oh the deal is done?!?!?!

saphojunkie 03-21-2018 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 13481734)
Oh the deal is done?!?!?!

*would be


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