How the Pats shut down Hill
 

Damn.

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That's why Sammy Watkins had a big game. Glad he was healthy.

Why didn’t the chiefs do this to Edelman?

Looks like he had some other guys open on some of those plays. Needs to go thru reads quicker.

Sutton gonna Sutton.

Was calling out every 3rd and 10 in OT, ‘DOUBLE EDELMAN!!’

We saw how that went. Free releases and another NE first down.

Lulz you know why

Charlie Weis sorta asked this question when he tweeted that he knew what would happen when the Pats won the coin toss against a team that refused to double the Pats best receiver.

Sutton has to go.

Mahomes had check downs open on both of those plays...not sure why they didn't adjust to nickle and dime them. Seems like PM was hellbent on throwing bombs all game.

Very weird game plan...

Gulp.... I really really hate to say it....

But he's gotta take the checkdown. The RB had a ton of real estate on a few of those.

Having a safety assigned to Hill deep isn't all that important if you have him running drag routes and jet sweeps to stretch the Patriots horizontally.

Because Chiefs

And why the **** wasn’t Fuller covering Edelman inside?

Ward on Edelman inside made no sense. Why the **** did they decide to move him around all of a sudden?

So we did that or should have done that more?

He was supposed to be on one of the big 3rd down catches over the middle
It got turned around or something

Frustrating

We also did too much of this to Edelman. Like pinning our safeties back 20 yards on 3rd and long against a QB who isn't throwing the deep ball. Definition of insanity.

Reid's play calling, especially in the first half, basically hung Mahomes out to dry. I don't think that I can bring myself to watch the all-22 when it's available, because this loss hurts too much right now, but I think the film will show that Reid called very few short crosses, or short slants, which would have helped Mahomes avoid holding the ball so long, plus it would have helped him get into a rhythm much sooner.

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Should have.

Reid was running Hill deep to clear out the underneath. It's incredibly effective if the blocking holds up and the other receivers are making plays...but

1) Kelce might as well have been Jake O'Connell yesterday
2) The OL could not hold their blocks long enough for the D to clear out
3) Mahomes held on to the ball too long

Pass blocking improved in the second half which is why Watkins put up so much yardage. However, using Hill horizontally and motioning him creates chaos for the defense and would actually force McCourty up (eventually), which would open up things for all the receivers over the top.

To use a boxing analogy:

Pre-prison Tyson used his jab, footwork, and defense to get inside on his opponent and set up combinations that took their heads off. Post-prison Tyson waded into the pocket and looked for a single bomb. It could still work, but it was much easier to defend, and left him open to far more punishment.

Andy's gameplan was like post-prison Tyson.

Yeah. I noticed that. My thinking was that Reid didn't want them making half time adjustments, so he didn't pull out the short stuff in the first half.

This is part of the puzzlement.

It's astonishing to me that they were able to do this to us.

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I've heard that it's because they run pick-play and pick plays are impossible for mortals to defend.

Wait, apparently it's because our defensive unit is too stupid to run a system that's complex enough disguise the coverage we're going to run. So Brady and Romo knew what we were doing as soon as they got to the line, so we were toast.

I might be generalizing too much...

Because our Defensive coaches suck and our players are undisciplined.

The most our coaches do on defense is trying to keep the players running around in the right part of the field. The rest is just luck.

Because Bob Sutton is a ****ing Moran!

Also having safeties 10 yards beyond first down marker.

Because everything about our defense and it’s coordinator is a dumpster fire. People(not saying you personally)got way to excited about holding a Raiders team that had a less than 0% interest in the game to 3 points and a Colts dome team whose QB probably had his worst game ever to 6 points. This defense was a hot POS all year. They’re not capable of covering Edelman or any 1/10th decent NFL player

If you double Edelman then Brady will just focus on Gronk, or get to Hogan through his progressions. I do think the Chiefs would have been wise to jam Edelman at the line to throw off the timing and give the pass rush a little more time to get there. A prime Berry would have allowed them to do that, as he could cover Gronk fairly well. As is, they didn't have the horses, especially if they both weren't on the same side and you couldn't use triangle coverage.

Greater imagination in defensive fronts (amoeba looks, standing DL) or late shifts just before the snap to **** with Brady would have also helped.

The Chiefs offense spent a lot of that game being stubborn as **** thinking they'd just keep taking deep shots.

It's called realizing what they're doing and adapting, a few drags and screens and you either get them out of that defense or show them ok fine we'll do this all game.

Easier said than done. It’s damn near impossible to show a look that Brady hasn’t seen before. You can only hope to capitalize on the few times he gets caught slipping.

You funny, haha.

I'm almost positive that's why the Chiefs signed for games like yesterday.


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Watkins had 4 catches...they were big plays but 4...Mahomes missed a ton of people in that game Williams probably should have had 10 catches.

Yup. But it’s okay. He’s going to get so much better even next year when he reviews this stuff and starts making those throws. And we will have a new DC and better defense to support him.

This is just the beginning.

He has to learn that against some teams the threat of his arm is enough and it's ok to dink and dunk down the field until they change defenses.

It's not like he hasn't done that this year.

He did it against the Colts.

Well I'm not sure what his problem was yesterday but there were short guys open constantly that he didn't take.

Colts played a lot of zone though. Patriots played a lot of man.

Yep.

Belichick is just good at throwing new looks at young QBs.

Again, it only took him a half to figure it out and then it was rape city.

He couldn't see them most likely. The Patriots had 3 or 4 guys in his face on nearly every play.

Yep. He's going to improve.

What is the all-22 ?

What is the all-22

A view of the game where you can see all players, offense and defense

TV view doesn’t usually show all 22 players in the field. “All-22” view allows people to see every player on the field. It’s the exact same view coaches often use for gameplannning.

How about we take a strong look at either the Pats DB coach or LB coach, to make them our new D coordinator. Get a BB disciple to help with our D

The LB coach for the Patriots is Brian Flores (he's also the de facto defensive coordinator).

There's a strong rumor he's going to be the next HC for the Dolphins.

I just can't believe Chiefs D allowed Edelman to come off the line untouched. Gronk too.

I called it...EB and his bum foot were going to cost the Chiefs because he just simply isn't the same guy anymore.

The more you dissect this game after the fact the more pissed off you get.

The incompetency of this coaching staff is mind boggling. BB is a great coach, but he just put a ****in clown suit on Sutton/Reid and they laughed all the way to the team bus to the airport.

I hope Mahomes can overcome Reid's incompetence in big games...sadly I'm not sure he can.

As long as the Chiefs have Reid as their HC, they won't win shit. Philly fans warned us of all of this. Look how many good Eagles teams he wasted in the early 2000's.

Yea the beginning of a great career with 0 SB’s

Mahomes in the next Marino unfortunately

Someone want to tell Baldy that's not 'cloud' coverage lol.

I saw the McCourtys play at Rutgers often during their Schiano era and always liked them. Sucks that years later they hurt our team. Kenny Britt, Ray Rice and Mohamed Sanu were teammates at that time. They had talent.

dude

STOP.

The game isn't even the same.

Step back from the ledge my fiend. :rolleyes:

Some people really would have been happier with a 9-7 season where we just missed the playoffs, it seems.

You have ZERO perspective.

You're a butthurt fan overreacting like an angry child...

Good grief. We are talking about a first year starter carrying a team a coin toss and literally inches away from a super bowl. A starter who continued to get better as the season went along and will continue to improve.

You mean and make Brady actually have to take some time and go through progressions instead of allowing him to get rid of the ball in less than 2.5 seconds? Fricking crazy how Grandpa couldn't adjust...really all year. Our talent is not as bad as what the stats say. He better be gone.

Almost by definition, amoeba fronts and late shifts assumes that you're not going to **** yourself up more than the other guy by doing that stuff. Those are pretty advanced techniques, and i'm honestly not sure the Chiefs defense was good enough to do pull that off without creating more problems for themselves than for the Patriots.

Maybe the Chiefs defense has alot of seasoned vets who could handle it all. I'd imagine guys like Houston and Berry could. But could the rest?

You think Brady wouldn't recognize a "double Edelman" look pre-snap and go elsewhere with the ball in 2.5 seconds?

The reality is I don't think the Chiefs defense has the horses to do terribly much to stop good offenses who execute well. You can blame Sutton if you like -- and maybe he does suck, I don't pretend to have watched that many Chiefs games -- but it's not like your defense is overloaded with talent so far as i can tell, and it's not like the Patriots haven't done this to plenty of other teams.

That is where the entire board takes a target pistol and shoots ourselves behind the ear.

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Yeah, Patrick needs to learn to hit those checkdowns when the protection is falling apart and the deep guys aren't open. Hopefully that is his next big step forward. That'll reduce the sacks and negative plays some. The fine line is not coaching the agressiveness out of him but rather just getting him to settle some when it's just not there. I think he will get there.

Once you start doing that, then the double teams are now in your favor.

Where did I say "overloaded with talent?" The difference between an average defense in the NFL and horrendous is often coaching. A middle of the road defense with that offense is all that is needed.

Excellent analysis and you are spot on with the boxing analogy.:thumb:

And may explain why Sutton resists adjustments a lot of the times because he knows he doesn't have the talent to pull it off.

What? Getting beat like a drum on third and long all year and you refuse to make adjustments because you don't think you have the talent to adjust? Then your range of what adjustments could be made are intellectually limiting and you should be fired for be too ignorant to think beyond what has proven NOT TO WORK!

Yes the Patriots defense talent wise (especially the secondary) is better than the Chiefs, but Gilmore is the only All Pro player on their defense, so its not like they have a defense full of Ty Law, Richard Seymour, Vince Wilfork type players.

I watched more extended highlights and what I didn't notice during the game I saw now was that the Pats had 6 men blocking for Brady about 85% of the snaps with our 3 guys or a 4th rushing. Just a mess from now fired Bob Sutton.

Were they chips and then leaked out for a checkdown route or was it 6 man blocking the whole time? Was it when they were in power-I formation?