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rabblerouser 10-13-2019 01:58 PM

So...this one is DEFINITELY on the run defense.
 
Just awful.

carcosa 10-13-2019 02:00 PM

Thank you!

chiefsfan15 10-13-2019 02:07 PM

trying to beat the Chiefs with the run is a sucker bet

rabblerouser 10-13-2019 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefsfan15 (Post 14521778)
trying to beat the Chiefs with the run is a sucker bet

ROFL

bdlangton 10-13-2019 02:25 PM

What about the offense scoring 7 points in the last three quarters?

BlackHelicopters 10-13-2019 02:25 PM

Watson threw for 300+

IowaHawkeyeChief 10-13-2019 02:29 PM

Same as last week... turnovers on O, bad O-line play with a gimpy Mahomes, penalties and long drive defense. If we wouldn't have turned it over, we would have one despite all the warts we have right now...

Gravedigger 10-13-2019 02:31 PM

The three weeks before this game teams had been averaging 180 yards against us in each game. Then came the Texans, with Carlos Hyde... they did it too. Bring on Phillip Lindsey and Royce Freeman!

ping2000 10-13-2019 02:48 PM

They are all pussies.

DaFace 10-13-2019 02:49 PM

Our run D wasn't good in the first place, and now we're missing Jones and Hitchens. I'm not sure what people expected.

coachwalrusss 10-13-2019 02:50 PM

it's on the walrus. what did he say about Mozard and paintings again?

https://i.chzbgr.com/full/6943202560/hF505329D/

keg in kc 10-13-2019 02:54 PM

Our entire team identity is built around offense. We went 4-0 while scoring over 30 points a game. Cut 10 or 12 points off that average, and we're probably going to lose. Just like last week. Just like today.

Talk all you want about the run defense, yell at Spags all you want, but turning the ball over in the red zone at the end of the first half was literally the difference in the game. Still, though, we had the ball with a lead after an interception at the end of the 3rd/start of the 4th. But what did we do? 3 and out. And then Houston scores. Fine. We got another possession. Let's answer. Nope. Another 3 and out.

That's the game, right there. And that's the problem we've had basically all season long, that evidently nobody wants to talk about, or even acknowledge: our offense goes into the tank after halftime. Every single week.

This team was never gonna be the 85 bears. They're going to give up yards and points, especially when injuries are involved (anyone who doesn't want to sign Chris Jones, today was your window into 2020 without him...).

What they can't afford is for the offense to tank. We had opportunities to stay on top in the second half, and the offense failed every bit as much as the defense.

And what the **** is going on with special teams this year. Are we ever going to get a return past the 30? Or, you know, maybe have a return without a flag.

And that, too. 4-0 start, not many flags. Two losses, flags ****ing everywhere.

We got some coaching issues, and it ain't just the defense, the easy target.

KC Hawks 10-13-2019 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 14522269)
Our entire team identity is built around offense. We went 4-0 while scoring over 30 points a game. Cut 10 or 12 points off that average, and we're probably going to lose. Just like last week. Just like today.

Talk all you want about the run defense, yell at Spags all you want, but turning the ball over in the red zone at the end of the first half was literally the difference in the game. Still, though, we had the ball with a lead after an interception at the end of the 3rd/start of the 4th. But what did we do? 3 and out. And then Houston scores. Fine. We got another possession. Let's answer. Nope. Another 3 and out.

That's the game, right there. And that's the problem we've had basically all season long, that evidently nobody wants to talk about, or even acknowledge: our offense goes into the tank after halftime. Every single week.

This team was never gonna be the 85 bears. They're going to give up yards and points, especially when injuries are involved (anyone who doesn't want to sign Chris Jones, today was your window into 2020 without him...).

What they can't afford is for the offense to tank. We had opportunities to stay on top in the second half, and the offense failed every bit as much as the defense.

And what the **** is going on with special teams this year. Are we ever going to get a return past the 30? Or, you know, maybe have a return without a flag.

And that, too. 4-0 start, not many flags. Two losses, flags ****ing everywhere.

We got some coaching issues, and it ain't just the defense, the easy target.

Agreed. It's shocking how inconsistent the offense is. Seems like they only play well for one quarter every game, and then do nothing the rest.

493rd 10-13-2019 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 14522269)
Our entire team identity is built around offense. We went 4-0 while scoring over 30 points a game. Cut 10 or 12 points off that average, and we're probably going to lose. Just like last week. Just like today.

Talk all you want about the run defense, yell at Spags all you want, but turning the ball over in the red zone at the end of the first half was literally the difference in the game. Still, though, we had the ball with a lead after an interception at the end of the 3rd/start of the 4th. But what did we do? 3 and out. And then Houston scores. Fine. We got another possession. Let's answer. Nope. Another 3 and out.

That's the game, right there. And that's the problem we've had basically all season long, that evidently nobody wants to talk about, or even acknowledge: our offense goes into the tank after halftime. Every single week.

This team was never gonna be the 85 bears. They're going to give up yards and points, especially when injuries are involved (anyone who doesn't want to sign Chris Jones, today was your window into 2020 without him...).

What they can't afford is for the offense to tank. We had opportunities to stay on top in the second half, and the offense failed every bit as much as the defense.

And what the **** is going on with special teams this year. Are we ever going to get a return past the 30? Or, you know, maybe have a return without a flag.

And that, too. 4-0 start, not many flags. Two losses, flags ****ing everywhere.

We got some coaching issues, and it ain't just the defense, the easy target.

Good post and you’re exactly right. It comes down to execution and the Chiefs aren’t doing it. We had our chances today and blew them just like last week.

FringeNC 10-13-2019 03:03 PM

Not sure what was worse -- our D-line or our O-line. Doesn't really matter what happens with the D-line -- we can't beat good teams with this O-line. It may be the worst in the league.

Bowser 10-13-2019 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 14522244)
Our run D wasn't good in the first place, and now we're missing Jones and Hitchens. I'm not sure what people expected.

Jones being out is just a massive loss for us. We played 8 in the box the majority of the game and still got pushed around.

This defense is soft.

keg in kc 10-13-2019 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 14522417)
This defense is soft.

And it's been that way since at least 1999. Things looked like they were maybe starting to turn around some in the Jags game and the 2nd half of the Raiders game, but now it's back to the same shit we've shat through with Gunther/Robinson/Gunther/Romeo/Sutton. That's a lot of years, and a lot of player and coach turnover, to keep seeing the same issues pop up over and over and over with tackling/intensity/lack of key plays. I always thought it was a culture thing, and hoped adding some successful players from successful programs would help turn things around, but it seems more like guys like Clark and Mathieu are getting dragged down rather than lifting up.

Maybe it's just a reflection of ownership and coaching, although Reid did have some good Ds in Philly.

TEX 10-13-2019 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 493rd (Post 14522282)
Good post and you’re exactly right. It comes down to execution and the Chiefs aren’t doing it. We had our chances today and blew them just like last week.

You people are all ****ing crazy to blame the offense. Yep, had a turnover in the red zone. Shit happens on occassion. The defense, in particular the run defense is, consistently terrible. That is the a constant varriable with the Chiefs and that's the difference between winning and losing. Look at the T.O.P and see how much longer the Texans had the ball. Look how many rushing yards the Chiefs gave up again. Some of you are blind as ****.

WhiteWhale 10-13-2019 03:49 PM

Same thing as last week.

KC's averaging 6 yards a rush and Andy passes at a 4-1 rate. Mahomes takes a ton of hits, hurts his ankle. Opponents runs on every down knowing Kc gives you 5 yards free on every play.

Then there was Andy's massive end of half blunder. Don't get me started on THAT.

Andy needs to get the **** out of his team's way.

Also, Spags is awful. Huge mistake on that hire. I said it when it happened and I'm convinced. This is basically G-rob's defense.

It's not just about 'blame the offense or the defense'. The offensive playcalling is a HUGE problem right now. Andy did this in 2017 and 2016 as well. Remember in 2017 when KC went on a losing streak and Andy just ignored his potential running game? I do.

This

Is

Not

The

Big

12

He needs to get his shit together or bench himself from calling plays like he did in 2016 and 17.

WhiteWhale 10-13-2019 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TEX (Post 14522572)
You people are all ****ing crazy to blame the offense. Yep, had a turnover in the red zone. Shit happens on occassion. The defense, in particular the run defense is, consistently terrible. That is the a constant varriable with the Chiefs and that's the difference between winning and losing. Look at the T.O.P and see how much longer the Texans had the ball. Look how many rushing yards the Chiefs gave up again. Some of you are blind as ****.

KC averaged 6 yards a rush and ran what? 9 times?

That's a BIG ****ING CONTRIBUTOR to the TOP imbalance just like it was last week.

NO excuse about it not being effective either. It WAS effective and he still tried to throw every down.

scho63 10-13-2019 11:34 PM

How can an offense find a rhythm when they are off the field for such long stretches of time?

rabblerouser 10-14-2019 05:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 14524114)
How can an offense find a rhythm when they are off the field for such long stretches of time?

People who never played don't understand that.

The Texans set a franchise record for extended drives yesterday with 6 drives of 10 or more plays.

They've never done that in the history of the entire franchise.

This defense is historically bad.

Aspengc8 10-14-2019 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 14522321)
Not sure what was worse -- our D-line or our O-line. Doesn't really matter what happens with the D-line -- we can't beat good teams with this O-line. It may be the worst in the league.

It's not just the Dline, its the entire front 7 having issues. Not once has a ILB shot a gap ala DJ used to runs.

bobbything 10-14-2019 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bdlangton (Post 14522025)
What about the offense scoring 7 points in the last three quarters?

Would have had at least 3 more had the officials not botched the call when Mahomes threw that interception. Apparently Kelce was the target and never got there.

KChiefs1 10-14-2019 01:33 PM

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rabblerouser 10-14-2019 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 14525391)

WOW.

carlos3652 10-14-2019 02:39 PM

Interesting Stat... our Rushing defense improved to 5.2 yards per carry... same as Green Bay Packers.

Guys... its getting better.. remember when it was 6+ yards per carry?

arrwheader 10-14-2019 02:44 PM

You know here's a thought to counter this run the ball blue print. How about we do the same thing run run run kill the clock as well, the other team would likely eventually panick and stop that shit because we can score quickly at anytime.

Control the game don't let them control it, make that decision for them.

Run the ****ing ball Andy.



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Imon Yourside 10-14-2019 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carlos3652 (Post 14525540)
Interesting Stat... our Rushing defense improved to 5.2 yards per carry... same as Green Bay Packers.

Guys... its getting better.. remember when it was 6+ yards per carry?

Last week it was only 4.0 ypc I was elated!

We need to learn to tackle the receivers and linemen on every play that should help a lot. Mugging the shit out of the Offense is allowed. Also it wouldn't hurt to tackle the ball carrier too!

13and3 10-14-2019 04:34 PM

What run defense? I didn't see a run defense, this team has a run defense?

rabblerouser 10-14-2019 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 13and3 (Post 14525821)
What run defense? I didn't see a run defense, this team has a run defense?

No.

I should've titled the thread "this one's DEFINITELY on the lack of run defense."

kcpasco 10-14-2019 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 13and3 (Post 14525821)
What run defense? I didn't see a run defense, this team has a run defense?

It’s kind of like watching a traffic cone try and tackle someone.

13and3 10-14-2019 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcpasco (Post 14525828)
It’s kind of like watching a traffic cone try and tackle someone.

Im sure K.Dot can slow them down.

crispystl 10-14-2019 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 14522469)
And it's been that way since at least 1999. Things looked like they were maybe starting to turn around some in the Jags game and the 2nd half of the Raiders game, but now it's back to the same shit we've shat through with Gunther/Robinson/Gunther/Romeo/Sutton. That's a lot of years, and a lot of player and coach turnover, to keep seeing the same issues pop up over and over and over with tackling/intensity/lack of key plays. I always thought it was a culture thing, and hoped adding some successful players from successful programs would help turn things around, but it seems more like guys like Clark and Mathieu are getting dragged down rather than lifting up.

Maybe it's just a reflection of ownership and coaching, although Reid did have some good Ds in Philly.

You know..now that I think about it the last Chiefs team I can remember that could stuff the run had Poe on it. I might be missing one or two but I dunno......


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