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OnTheWarpath15 08-31-2021 08:11 AM

Cam Newton released by Patriots
 
I mean, he was pretty bad last year - but outright release? Wow.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING NEWS: The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Patriots?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Patriots</a> have released Cam Newton. Mac Jones is the starting QB in New England. <a href="https://t.co/3qE1qu6xqC">https://t.co/3qE1qu6xqC</a></p>&mdash; Jim McBride (@globejimmcbride) <a href="https://twitter.com/globejimmcbride/status/1432706144557051924?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 31, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Hammock Parties 08-31-2021 08:12 AM

LMAO

gonna be a shit show in NE

Flying High D 08-31-2021 08:13 AM

Probably had to do with his wardrobe and dancing during practice, duh.

Rainbarrel 08-31-2021 08:13 AM

Superman! is available for parties

Dunerdr 08-31-2021 08:15 AM

Hoyers probably a better back up for macky poo. Both are lacking natural talent, and Cam probably would rather try to take over when someone goes down than ride the pine.

ptlyon 08-31-2021 08:15 AM

Yasir Durant just proved to be too much

Renegade 08-31-2021 08:16 AM

He will be a Bronco before the end of the day. Expect Knowmo shortly after that.

BigCatDaddy 08-31-2021 08:19 AM

Welcome to Denver LMAO

smithandrew051 08-31-2021 08:19 AM

We sign this piece of shit yet?

OnTheWarpath15 08-31-2021 08:21 AM

Rumblings on Twitter that his lack of vaccination and mis-steps regarding COVID protocols last week led to this.

Belichick has no patience for guys who put themselves before the team.

ChiefaRoo 08-31-2021 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flying High D (Post 15808496)
Probably had to do with his wardrobe and dancing during practice, duh.

All of his hats are made out of wedding cake fondant.

Mile High Mania 08-31-2021 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 15808507)
Welcome to Denver LMAO

No thanks.

Pitt Gorilla 08-31-2021 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Renegade (Post 15808505)
He will be a Bronco before the end of the day. Expect Knowmo shortly after that.

Denver could have drafted Mac Jones.

ChiefBlueCFC 08-31-2021 08:22 AM

Mac Jones that good or Cam been that bad?

Sassy Squatch 08-31-2021 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 15808494)
LMAO

gonna be a shit show in NE

Are you sure about that? Mac Jones already looks superior to current day Cam.

MahomesMagic 08-31-2021 08:24 AM

Weird. All the Patriot reporters kept talking up how healthy and recovered Cam was....

BleedingRed 08-31-2021 08:24 AM

Welcome to DENVER! COMMON DOWN!

BleedingRed 08-31-2021 08:25 AM

Or he get signed by Houston........

doomy3 08-31-2021 08:25 AM

As poor as so many teams are inside the 5 yard line running the ball these days, I almost wonder if someone will ever take a chance on Cam just as a specialty guy inside the 10 or whatever. He's pretty damn dangerous there.

eDave 08-31-2021 08:25 AM

Wow. He must be really bad because Jones didn't look like much.

Flying High D 08-31-2021 08:28 AM

Hope PMII makes it through the cuts.

MahomesMagic 08-31-2021 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eDave (Post 15808526)
Wow. He must be really bad because Jones didn't look like much.

Mac Jones is fine as far as rookie QB's go but because of his limited physical traits he will take a few years to get up to what he is supposed to be.

Mental trait QB's take longer.

Sassy Squatch 08-31-2021 08:29 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It actually happened... <a href="https://t.co/YGh8bFGpwO">pic.twitter.com/YGh8bFGpwO</a></p>&mdash; Nuko - CWS | CHC (@ChicagoWhiteCub) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChicagoWhiteCub/status/1432709748533698569?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 31, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

TribalElder 08-31-2021 08:30 AM

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

probably their best move really, cam sucks

srvy 08-31-2021 08:30 AM

Surprised that coach and QB combo lasted this long.

Baby Lee 08-31-2021 08:32 AM

Texans boners are throbbing.

Flying High D 08-31-2021 08:32 AM

Guess calling him Mac-n-cheese didn’t work out so well for cut. I mean cam.

siberian khatru 08-31-2021 08:33 AM

The latest edition of Cigar Aficionado has Cam on the cover and he's the subject of the main profile. It went on and on about how awesome he is, and I kept thinking, Has this been sitting on the shelf since 2016?

TLO 08-31-2021 08:34 AM

Rumor is he has turf-toe

Hog's Gone Fishin 08-31-2021 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eDave (Post 15808526)
Wow. He must be really bad because Jones didn't look like much.

He had the highest PFF rating in preseason history beating only Patrick Mahomes

Flying High D 08-31-2021 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 15808550)
He had the highest PFF rating in preseason history beating only Patrick Mahomes

Cam? Who knew?

BleedingRed 08-31-2021 08:35 AM

Cam Newton isn't horrible, but he def needs a coach who know how to use mobile QB's and dumbed down passing game.

Honestly the more I think about it Texans make so much sense. Their Head Coach worked with Lamar Jackson.

Flying High D 08-31-2021 08:36 AM

Hope he doesn’t go back to jacking laptops.

DJ's left nut 08-31-2021 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefBlueCFC (Post 15808519)
Mac Jones that good or Cam been that bad?

Yes.

Cam looks awful (still).

Jones looked good - saw all the processing strengths we saw at Alabama and his passes had a little more zip than I expected.

I don't think he's a superstar in the making, but he's a quality quarterback. On the low end I think he ends up Kurt Cousins, high end maybe something like Matt Ryan (normal Matt Ryan, not the MVP version).

He's exactly the kind of guy BB is going to prefer because he'll run the offense as designed and do a solid job of it. Plays won't fail because of Jones like they would because of Newton.

eDave 08-31-2021 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 15808550)
He had the highest PFF rating in preseason history beating only Patrick Mahomes

How does that work, exactly?

TribalElder 08-31-2021 08:40 AM

Cam isn’t vaccinated so he had to go

Or wait until he catches covid midseason

Red Dawg 08-31-2021 08:44 AM

He's washed up.

tredadda 08-31-2021 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eDave (Post 15808526)
Wow. He must be really bad because Jones didn't look like much.

What was his PFF preseason grade? That's what matters the most.

Flying High D 08-31-2021 08:45 AM

War Eagle on the loose.

Red Dawg 08-31-2021 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15 (Post 15808511)
Rumblings on Twitter that his lack of vaccination and mis-steps regarding COVID protocols last week led to this.

Belichick has no patience for guys who put themselves before the team.

Cam has always been about Cam. Not the team.

OnTheWarpath15 08-31-2021 08:46 AM

LMAO


https://i.ibb.co/z7jWKVB/CamVAX.jpg

KChiefs1 08-31-2021 08:47 AM

Donkos on line 1.

wazu 08-31-2021 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 15808554)
Yes.

Cam looks awful (still).

Jones looked good - saw all the processing strengths we saw at Alabama and his passes had a little more zip than I expected.

I don't think he's a superstar in the making, but he's a quality quarterback. On the low end I think he ends up Kurt Cousins, high end maybe something like Matt Ryan (normal Matt Ryan, not the MVP version).

He's exactly the kind of guy BB is going to prefer because he'll run the offense as designed and do a solid job of it. Plays won't fail because of Jones like they would because of Newton.

Add to all of this Cam probably isn't worth the distractions he creates just to be the team's backup.

Simply Red 08-31-2021 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 15808514)
No thanks.

Teddy Pendergrass is actually better!

Flying High D 08-31-2021 08:51 AM

Better by deletion.

Shields68 08-31-2021 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 15808572)
Donkos on line 1.

Maybe but would think that Bridgewater is a more experienced Mac Jones at this point.

Simply Red 08-31-2021 08:51 AM

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Godzalez 08-31-2021 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefBlueCFC (Post 15808519)
Mac Jones that good or Cam been that bad?

Cam single handedly lost them 2-3 games last year. I think this is the right call for them.

wazu 08-31-2021 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 15808585)
Teddy Pendergrass is actually better!

Agreed, and Mac Jones would've been better still.

Flying High D 08-31-2021 08:59 AM

Probably going to try and sneak him on their PS.

BryanBusby 08-31-2021 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 15808554)
Yes.

Cam looks awful (still).

Jones looked good - saw all the processing strengths we saw at Alabama and his passes had a little more zip than I expected.

I don't think he's a superstar in the making, but he's a quality quarterback. On the low end I think he ends up Kurt Cousins, high end maybe something like Matt Ryan (normal Matt Ryan, not the MVP version).

He's exactly the kind of guy BB is going to prefer because he'll run the offense as designed and do a solid job of it. Plays won't fail because of Jones like they would because of Newton.

Jones had a great pre-season and Cam looked arguably better than Jones. Don't think that's it.

DJ's left nut 08-31-2021 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wazu (Post 15808579)
Add to all of this Cam probably isn't worth the distractions he creates just to be the team's backup.

And you run into the same problem you always run into when you have running QBs as your backup.

When you have to scrap your base offense if the backup comes in, that's a bad backup. You want your backup to be able to come in and at least run a watered down version of the offense you've been running.

That's why a guy like RGIII could latch on in Baltimore as a backup but not really anywhere else. And why a guy like Chase Daniel or Matt Cassel (or Chad Henne for that matter) could last for 10 years as a backup - because they will go in there and run the offense.

Cam's not a useful backup because he can't step in for Jones and run the same system. They have to rebuild the offense to use him. That just doesn't work.

Shields68 08-31-2021 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 15808603)
Jones had a great pre-season and Cam looked arguably better than Jones. Don't think that's it.

More like Mac is a rookie. Cam is not going to improve. If they are close right now might as well play the guy who is probably your future.

If your going to do that might as well cut the guy who will be a distraction and give him a chance to play elsewhere. Best for everyone around.

BryanBusby 08-31-2021 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shields68 (Post 15808608)
More like Mac is a rookie. Cam is not going to improve. If they are close right now might as well play the guy who is probably your future.

If your going to do that might as well cut the guy who will be a distraction and give him a chance to play elsewhere. Best for everyone around.

I agree. They were right to move on from Cam but it's not because Cam was bad in camp.

He would definitely be an upgrade in Indy, Philly, New Orleans and Houston.

Shields68 08-31-2021 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 15808604)
And you run into the same problem you always run into when you have running QBs as your backup.

When you have to scrap your base offense if the backup comes in, that's a bad backup. You want your backup to be able to come in and at least run a watered down version of the offense you've been running.

That's why a guy like RGIII could latch on in Baltimore as a backup but not really anywhere else. And why a guy like Chase Daniel or Matt Cassel (or Chad Henne for that matter) could last for 10 years as a backup - because they will go in there and run the offense.

Cam's not a useful backup because he can't step in for Jones and run the same system. They have to rebuild the offense to use him. That just doesn't work.

Guess there are two considerations for a backup. One short term in game. Which the above might be true. Think Cam could be all right not great.

The other is Multiple games. You want a QB come in and be able to play .500 and give yourself a chance to win in 4 game stretch if you have to change the game plan so be it. the Saints did this last year. Cam probably does that. But the big thing is that I doubt Cam has the personality to be happy in a backup role. Sort of like Kap. Eventually if he is not starting it just is not going to work. To much division in the team unity.

BWillie 08-31-2021 09:12 AM

Would be a good back up to Mahomes...

Henne ain't getting any younger.

DJ's left nut 08-31-2021 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 15808611)
I agree. They were right to move on from Cam but it's not because Cam was bad in camp.

He would definitely be an upgrade in Indy, Philly, New Orleans and Houston.

Indy? Not if Wentz returns shortly.

New Orleans -- I still think Jamies will have a good year and Cam isn't going to fit into what Payton wants to do offensively at all.

Philly - Maybe. Might even be a quality backup option for Hurts.

Houston - What does Cam Newton actually do well that Tyrod Taylor doesn't? They're both underneath passers these days who's legs present their biggest strengths. I'm not sure Cam actually would be an upgrade over Taylor. I'm pretty sure they're 6 in one hand, half dozen in the other. And Taylor has always been smart with the football if nothing else. And fairly precise underneath. Newton's not either of those things.

I'm just not sure what Cam Newton, with his diminished arm strength and scattershot accuracy, actually brings to the table anymore. The risk/reward was always in his favor when he could break a run or fire a bomb downfield, but he's more of a power runner when he takes off now and his arm doesn't stretch the field anymore.

What's he actually do well at this point in his career? Or even average? He takes more off the table than he brings to it anymore.

Flying High D 08-31-2021 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 15808615)
Would be a good back up to Mahomes...

Henne ain't getting any younger.

It’s risky to bring in a back-up that potentially could be better than your starter.

Reroka 08-31-2021 09:17 AM

Who really cares, Cam has been a broke dick for a couple of years now.

Carolina really ****ed him over.

HC_Chief 08-31-2021 09:17 AM

Broke dick prima donna. Hell to the ****ing no. Let that turd go ruin another franchise. the faid sound like an appropriate fit.

DJ's left nut 08-31-2021 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shields68 (Post 15808614)
Guess there are two considerations for a backup. One short term in game. Which the above might be true. Think Cam could be all right not great.

The other is Multiple games. You want a QB come in and be able to play .500 and give yourself a chance to win in 4 game stretch if you have to change the game plan so be it. the Saints did this last year. Cam probably does that. But the big thing is that I doubt Cam has the personality to be happy in a backup role. Sort of like Kap. Eventually if he is not starting it just is not going to work. To much division in the team unity.

Even in a multiple game situation, you'd ideally have the same sort of offense.

Afterall, you've brought players into this system that complement it and/or built the system around those players.

If your offense is designed to capitalize on a certain supporting cast and your backup is better served with a completely different supporting cast, you're doing yourself and that supporting cast a disservice. And it's only heightened if it's over 4 games. If your backup is 80% of your starter but the rest of the offense can play the same style of game, then your overall decline isn't extreme. But if your backup is, let's say, 90% as good as your starter (in a vacuum) but the rest of your offense is now 80% as productive because you're playing an entirely different style, it's a net loss.

Your backup needs to complement the roster. That's what Henne does here. But would Cam Newton be a useful backup here? No, not at all, because the entire supporting cast would have to play differently to complement Newton. 3 quarter or 3 games, I'd take the guy that complements the rest of my squad over someone who needs players tailored to fit his style 100 times out of 100.

JD10367 08-31-2021 09:19 AM

Cam was an insurance policy. Now that they’ve seen enough of Jones to like him (every preseason drive he led turned into points), when you add:

- Cam’s unvaccinated state and protocol “misstep”
- Injury possibility as a running QB
- Distraction
- Totally different style of play making it hard to build a team around both
- Age
- Ceiling

It was shocking an hour ago but makes more and more sense.

DJ's left nut 08-31-2021 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 15808629)
Cam was an insurance policy. Now that they’ve seen enough of Jones to like him (every preseason drive he led turned into points), when you add:

Exactly.

If Jones just clearly couldn't play yet, then the twin-tight, possession WR offense they put together in the off-season could be massaged to fit Newton over 17 games. They could've asked those guys to be physical and work with a strict ground/pound system.

But when it was clear that Jones could play, they saw that they may be able to pivot to the style they played when Gronk/Hernandez were there and they had those underneath options out wide. Obviously not to the same extreme as they did with Brady, but they could use that baseline.

If they HAD to go with Newton, they could've made it work. But once it became apparent that they didn't have to, there was no need to retain him.

Shields68 08-31-2021 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 15808626)
Even in a multiple game situation, you'd ideally have the same sort of offense.

Afterall, you've brought players into this system that complement it and/or built the system around those players.

If your offense is designed to capitalize on a certain supporting cast and your backup is better served with a completely different supporting cast, you're doing yourself and that supporting cast a disservice. And it's only heightened if it's over 4 games. If your backup is 80% of your starter but the rest of the offense can play the same style of game, then your overall decline isn't extreme. But if your backup is, let's say, 90% as good as your starter (in a vacuum) but the rest of your offense is now 80% as productive because you're playing an entirely different style, it's a net loss.

Your backup needs to complement the roster. That's what Henne does here. But would Cam Newton be a useful backup here? No, not at all, because the entire supporting cast would have to play differently to complement Newton. 3 quarter or 3 games, I'd take the guy that complements the rest of my squad over someone who needs players tailored to fit his style 100 times out of 100.

But in this situation they have the personnel to compliment Cam. They ran the same offense they would use last year and this preseason. So it is not going to be a completely foreign concept. Besides I think this day and age teams can adept pretty quickly, the Saints ran Taysem Hill in last year went 3-0. Would be the same type of situation.

MMXcalibur 08-31-2021 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 15808615)
Would be a good back up to Mahomes...

Henne ain't getting any younger.

****ing no.
Not now. Not ever.

VAChief 08-31-2021 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flying High D (Post 15808620)
It’s risky to bring in a back-up that potentially could be better than your starter.

WTF!

KC_Lee 08-31-2021 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flying High D (Post 15808620)
It’s risky to bring in a back-up that potentially could be better than your starter.

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BossChief 08-31-2021 09:38 AM

Watch NE win that division over the Bills with Mac Jones at QB.

chiefzilla1501 08-31-2021 09:46 AM

No surprise. He's cooked. His arm just doesn't look the same. And he's lost any kind of swagger or interest.

wazu 08-31-2021 09:48 AM

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InChiefsHeaven 08-31-2021 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flying High D (Post 15808620)
It’s risky to bring in a back-up that potentially could be better than your starter.

ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL

F150 08-31-2021 09:54 AM

Cams a ****ing headcase.

Eleazar 08-31-2021 10:00 AM

He’s always been overrated. Whatever talent he had in his arm never translated fully to the field. He had one elite season which ended with a low effort play in the Super Bowl defining it, and has not really had a remarkable career otherwise. And of course everyone will point to the lack of maturity, even now toward the end of his career. There was a lot of potential there that was never realized.

FloridaMan88 08-31-2021 10:12 AM

If Cam was willing to play for the veteran's minimum and would not be a distraction and would follow all protocols... he would be an interesting option as a Taysom Hill-type gadget player for situational plays such as short yardage and goal line.

But he does not meet any of those qualifications so no thanks.

Rainbarrel 08-31-2021 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 15808629)
Cam was an insurance policy. Now that they’ve seen enough of Jones to like him (every preseason drive he led turned into points), when you add:

- Cam’s unvaccinated state and protocol “misstep”
- Injury possibility as a running QB
- Distraction
- Totally different style of play making it hard to build a team around both
- Age
- Ceiling

It was shocking an hour ago but makes more and more sense.

Fortunately for the AFC West. The General sells insurance, he does not buy it.

crispystl 08-31-2021 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 15808552)
Cam Newton isn't horrible.

Uhhhh have you watched him play lately?
He’s horrible.


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TEX 08-31-2021 10:40 AM

Did Denver claim him yet??? LMAO

chiefzilla1501 08-31-2021 10:53 AM

Has he signed with bishop sycamore yet?

ThyKingdomCome15 08-31-2021 10:59 AM

That's wild. Bill doing Bill things. No idea.

SuperBowl4 08-31-2021 11:03 AM

The Patriots taking out the garbage.


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