Tyreek: At what point do we point blame for the game and season
 

I know you guys want to blame the refs, The 3rd & 27 call, Spags and the defense as a whole.

However, if Tyreek catches that ball right before the half, this game is out of reach. Before someone says, "he got it hit out of his hands"... do you think Chase or Higgins would've dropped that pass yesterday? They're purely hand catching WRs.

Tyreek has always been a body catcher and it's been a 50/50 shot if it hits his hands. Him and Kelce are a HUGE reason for us going 3-4 to start the season as they're DEFINITELY fuel to the early season turnover machine we've become.

I surely hope he works on catching with his hands such as the greats (D. Hopkins comes to mind). Once he does that, he'll definitely be THE top WR in the league. Right now, he seems more like an athlete that's playing WR. Not a true WR.

https://youtu.be/kU6yIpghmLU?t=483

LMAO

You clearly haven’t watched Chase this year if you think he’s incapable of dropping balls.

Over 100 catches.

Over 1,000 yards.

Against defenses specifically built to stop him.

Not a true wr.

I got downvoted bad yesterday for saying the O needs to play better.

K

Why do you persist on your journey to hell?

Just wait until Chase starts getting the Tyreek treatment… i.e. DC’s who won’t be as stubbornly stupid as Spags was yesterday leaving him single covered.

He and Kelce’s drops have been an issue this year.

But we’re not even close to the #2 seed in the AFC without them. To say Reek “isn’t a true WR” despite holding almost all of this franchise’s WR records is an inane take.

He's a true WR. He's just not a prototype WR.

Yes, he's had game changing drops. Not his best year. He's still a top 3 WR in this league.

We all know it's time to reload at WR. Tyreek Hill + a F/A + a high round pick.

Chiefs had lots of opportunities to win. That play, the kickoff return, 3rd and 27.

They just blew it, period. This might be a valuable lesson we learned right before the postseason. Glass half full.

The guy who's ranked 7th in WR yds, and tied for 7th in WR TDs is not a WR?

Yeah, I think both of these things can be true.

Tyreek had 2 plays yesterday that an elite WR needs to make....but even elite WRs don't make all of 'em. And yeah, he's undeniably an elite WR who's been hugely instrumental in our successes...and sometimes our failures.

It's the nature of being a high-volume weapon. He's going to be in the middle of most of our biggest plays, for good or ill.

I'm not discrediting his accomplishments (AT ALL). I'm just convinced that he has no hands. People used to think I was crazy when I accused Kelce of it during the Alex Smith years because he was shattering records. It was rare to see him catch a ball clean without a quick bobble. Tyreek is killing me always letting the ball get to his body.

It's not only killing me. It's killing the team as well. Patrick is rolling with it because they're GREAT players but what if...

I can't do anything but shake my head because although they're winning us games. They've got us in this position of the #2 seed as well. Hell. They catch half of those drops and we're possibly only 2 losses on the year.

It's silly, but I didn't really love the idea of needing, what, a 13 game winning streak to win a championship?

I was sorta hoping for a regular season loss in here - just wish !@#$ing Jimmy Garappolo hadn't pissed away that game against the TItans two weeks ago.

"I don't like Mondays"

Chase vs. Donk Week 15: 4 Targets, 1 Reception, 3 Yards.

Looks like Chase had a late Christmas, Easter, and Birthday yesterday.

I think the running a cover 0 blitz on 3rd and 27 might have been a little more of the issue.

That's just it... This Hill issue has been season long. That particular play changes the entire complexion of the game. Not saying the 3rd & 27 call wasn't important, I guess I'm just sick of Tyreek costing us possible games when he's supposed to be a master at his craft.

If Tyreek has D. Hops speed and quickness he'd be an Byron Pringle at best. That's my point of him being an athlete playing WR.

That's where I'm at. I always like my basketball teams to lose a close one right before March Madness to keep them humble and focused, so I'm choosing to do the same this go around.

It sucks having to play another game, and I hate that it will likely be the Chargers in round 1, but I still think we are the better team overall. The other side of it is that I don't think Tennessee makes it to the AFC Championship, and even if they do, I think we'd beat them in a rematch.

This team was not humbled before the playoffs last season.

They just got a big ****ing wake up call.

This really might be for the best.

We likely get a FG if he catches that. Probably not enough time to do anything else............I'm just going off memory here.

The Pringle kickoff TD would be a bigger blow for the Bengals.

I'm definately settled with this too. I'm getting why it happened, let's make it bite them in the ass.

Tyreek is a master route runner as well as elite at tracking the ball and this is what you’re pissing and moaning about. More often than not Tyreek makes plays and this is while being covered by multiple defenders. Everyone has drops but Tyreek has lengthy history of coming up big in key moments. Really stupid post.

Athletes that play WR don’t run routes, find open space, or command three defenders at the levels Hill does. Just a terribly unfounded opinion.

Never said he wasn't any of those. I said he can't catch with his hands and it's cost us games (as in plural) just this season.

He absolutely makes catches with his hands, but I think there's some of that punt returner instinct in him that on occasion has him trying to cradle those balls he can square up to.

If he attacks that ball with his hands he can tuck it away from the DB that popped it out of there. He SHOULD'VE caught it. But c'mon - there's no sense in overstating things.

He's an excellent receiver and yes, will absolutely hands catch, but it's usually when he's on the fly and trying to catch/run in one motion.

There will be at least 3 teams in the playoffs that we've lost to this year. That's good for us in the long run.

Tyreek has had way too many drops this season. He needs to tighten up in that area and I'm sure he would be the first to admit it.

That was a high trajectory ball thrown on a windy day. I think it hit his shoulder pad before his hands. Mahomes and Reid both say that Tyreek has elite ability to track a ball in the air like an elite MLB outfielder.

Fans allocating blame is a stupid waste of time. What if you came up with a chart that perfectly assigned the right amount of blame to each player and coach? Could you trade the chart in for a win?

Would you use the chart to try to convince a player to accept less pay than they could get from another team?

Brett Veach is not going to do that because he knows that other teams will pay market value.

The whole idea of allocating blame is silly. And acting like the defensive back is not there makes allocating blame on that play even sillier.

That's IT! I never thought of it until you stated it. He catches balls like punts. Makes sense since he's a converted punt returner (remember Ramsey called him that his first couple of years). I've always wondered why he tries to catch the majority of balls thrown to him with his body. You just hit the nail on the head.

It's the gloves!!!!!

True but the refs aided them along. 6 times we stopped them and the refs gave them 1st downs. Goal line stand and they gave them a 1st down.

Wish he would have caught it, but sometimes even great receivers drop a pass.

A lot went wrong yesterday and we probably still could have won in spite of it. Tyreek is fine and so are the Chiefs.

If you remember during the SBLIV season we lost a game we should have won at Tennessee. Them winning that game got them into the post-season and ended up getting us Suggs as well as the eventual home Championship Game. Things often work in strange ways that, in the moment, may seem bad but in the long run could put this team exactly where it needs to be to realize the mistakes they made yesterday can happen again if they don't change.

Personally, I'm hoping we get the Chargers, Bengals, and Titans and get to avenge every loss we had to a playoff team this season.

Tracking and execution are 2 totally different things. He has tracked EVERY ball PM15 has thrown to him really well. However, they've still somehow manage to bounce off his hands and into the opposing defenders for ints.

Just curious... How does a ball hit your shoulder pads before your hands? That doesn't make sense nor is it an excuse. He was under it just fine and in position. Chase AND Higgins uses their hands and would've made the catch and tucked it before the defender had a chance to make the play.

There is no point where I place the blame for this game or the season with Tyreek Hill. None.

He does so much more to open up our offense than his stats will EVER indicate.

And as for comparing him to Chase... ROFL The dude leads the league in drops.

https://scores.nbcsports.com/fb/lead...e=NFL&rank=232

And that's on 32 more targets for Hill, mind you.

Lots of reasons the Chiefs lost yesterday. This is just one small component.

This is a dumb thread.

It's dumb to point to one play that occurred in the 2nd quarter and go, "Well, if this happened, we'd have an extra TD, so add that to the final score and look at that we win that one play cost us the game." It's no different than Chargers fans or people in the media saying, "Well, if Staley kicks just one field goal instead of going for it, the Chargers win!" No. You've got an entire rest of the game to play out, and it's foolish to think the rest of the game is just going to play out exactly the way it did.

It's the same reason why most people are more angry about the game getting decided on illegal contact and bullshit holding the play prior to that one instead of the bullshit kick return callback in the 2nd quarter. Yeah, our lead jumps out to 18, but the game can still play out any number of ways. It doesn't guarantee our victory in any way.

I think sometimes he catches with his body because he's so fast and is waiting on the ball. PM has also caught him in stride numerous times for huge plays.

Not going to nitpick this guy.

We're damn lucky to have him.

Tyreek is one of the last people I would blame for yesterday.

Ron Torbert, Steve Spagnuolo, Charvarius Ward, Rashad Fenton, Daniel Sorensen all deserve much more blame than Tyreek.

Still think the defense deserves more blame in this game. How do you allow a 3rd and 27 conversion? Seems like that should never happen in the NFL. You can only hope they will be able to perform a lot better in the playoffs. They need to use this loss as motivation.

It's rarely, if EVER, one thing that actually loses the game for any team. How about if our D could find a way to get off the field a little more often in the 2nd half? How about if we don't hold on Pringles kickoff return? How about if we decide to go for it rather than kick a FG rather than tie the game? How about if our O was just a little more effective than it was in the 2nd half? Our inability to convert in pressure situations in the 2nd half was awful.

Reek dropping that pass before half was just one data point in a long list of "what ifs", and it ain't squarely on him. My ire yesterday (I'm not longer pissed about this game at all) was squarely on Spags and his 3rd and 27 call. That was just beyond shocking to me.

I still can't believe that call.

One of the worst play calls offense or defense I've ever seen.

Wisdom found in unexpected places and people :eek:

Spags should have doubled Chase the entire game. No excuse to leave him with single coverage at all.

Agree with all this. Both the offense and defense failed in the 2nd half. The only bright spot was D Will gashing the Bengals on the ground. Probably the best I remember seeing him run.

holy shit wutamess back up in this bitch! with a VENGENCE (I might add.)

Roger I'd like to add that I love love love that new avatar! Happy New Year my guy.

He's had some bad drops this year but that wasn't one of them. Sure, he could have secured it better, but it was punched out by the DB. Can't be too upset about it.

Wutamess: At what point do you drink antifreeze and die in a fire

Go back and look at his catch against the Chargers two weeks ago. It was all hands.

Romo pointed out on the broadcast that Hill and Chase had the same number of drops this season.

The offense only had the ball 3 times in the second half, and the refs ****ed us on 2 of the drives....we got a FG on the third.

Tough loss due to a number of factors, but this thread is a bit silly. We are not winning a Super Bowl without Reek.

I'm just going to say this is one of the stupidest threads on here in awhile. Have you considered a lobotomy to increase your intelligence? Cuz you're a god damn reerun.

I think I understand why he did it.

So a FG puts us in a bit of a bind. Now if you'd have left it up to me, I go ahead and play back and play for the FG. But I didn't think for a single second that the Bengals would even TRY to get it downfield. And I don't think many did.

So Spags tried to stuff the middle, prevent a completion of any sort and keep that FG at a 57 yardish attempt. At that point the Bengals have a tough kick and if they miss it, the Chiefs are about 20 yards away from FG range of their own.

It was a very 'on-brand' call for Spags. It was aggressive and it bit him in the ass. I just don't think Spags or most anyone else figured the Bengals would even dial up a vertical route there. That had all the look in the world of a 15 yard dump over the middle to set up an easier FG.

The Bengals out-aggressived us and it paid off for them. And it STILL took a hellacious throw/catch for the play to succeed.

I think I'll just acknowledge what Spags was probably thinking, tip my cap to the Bengals there and move along. The other guys get paid to play, too...

He dialed up a very similar blitz on a 3rd and 15 late against the Chargers. The only difference was that Herbert felt the heat and overthrew his man by about 10 yards. That worked to perfection, though, kept the Chargers out of FG range and they never saw the ball again.

I still hate the call in that moment, we had timeouts and plenty of time for Patrick to take the lead with 6 or tie it up with a field goal, but that aggression paid off very recently. Unfortunately, it seemed like Burrow and Chase could be made of different mettle than Herbert/Allen. I was super impressed watching Burrow throughout that game.

Dude set the Chiefs record for receptions by a WR and overall but drops and stuff


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He's had the Dwaye Bowe-itis this yr that's for sure.

And many times his butterfingers result in a INT.

He's still a great WR, but it's been a problem this yr, and has probably cost the Chiefs a game or 2 because of it.

Terrible thread

I don't disagree with you - it's not what I'd have done. I'd give up the FG and play the boundaries to take even the risk of a TD off the board.

As you noted - we have PM. And in a 4 down situation w/ 3 timeouts I still think he's damn near unstoppable in a gotta have it drive.

But I do think that was the logic behind it and it wasn't entirely unreasonable.

Also fans who get weird about dropped passes amuse me.

You take somebody of Tyreek’s talent and go, “These dropped passes are inexcusable!” as if Tyreek dropped passes and all isn’t still a top 5 WR in the NFL. You’d really take somebody less talented who just “catches the damn ball,” eh?

Hunter Rentfrow is a great hands catcher, let me tell you. And he he’s still decently good, too. Would you trade Tyreek for Rentfrow straight up?

Because I’m pretty sure a well mannered guy like Patrick Mahomes would even call you a ****ing reerun

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Test…. reerun…

Chase had 10 catches for 236 and 3 td to the point of 3rd n 27.

Take a moment. Let it sink in.

TEN CATCHES.

236 YARDS

3 TOUCHDOWNS .


It is absolutely, ONE THOUSAND PERCENT UNREASONABLE to call ANY single coverage on Chase at this point.

He has skull****ed both of your eye sockets and your mouth to this point.

Situational football? Sounds hard?

Let's take a look.

It's 3rd n 27, tie game, they're looking at 60 yard fg if they don't gain another yard. My defensive scheme has been assraped so hard that we've got a pink sock prolapse going on here.

Who would Joe Burrow look to here? Gotta have it, 3rd down.

Chase? Nah. Single coverage. Matter of fact, zero blitz.

This is Pete Carrol Superbowl goal line pass level stupidity.

Everyone watching the game knew this down, the ball was going to Chase. Why would it not?

Unfathomable stupidity and a very concerning lack of awareness as to what has taken place in the game to this point to call any single coverage on Chase, let alone a zero blitz.

If that had been a playoff loss, dude would be run out of KC as fast as Dee Ford.

Exactly where I’m at. This team is feast or famine. We rarely famine with Reek.

Interesting who is leading the NFL in dropped passes, according to this:

NFL Leaders - Dropped Passes

seriously


best receiver for the Chiefs ever? Not a true WR.

When did Jalen Ramsey join chiefsplanet

LMAO

I swear Mondays after a loss the stupid here goes full tilt.

I agree. I think if the KO return would have stood I don’t think the Bengals recover from that. As soon as it happened I was like welp that does it. 35-14 would have been bad bad for the Bengals.

Correct, I think Chase has 10 drops this season.

You should stick around.

The offensive performance in the second half yesterday was bad. I don't know how anyone could argue otherwise.

Should Tyreek have caught that pass before half. Yes. Absolutely. But that 3rd and 27 defensive call is way more responsible for the loss than Tyreek Hill. Chase was chewing up and shitting out our defense all day. And yes I mean shitting out instead of spitting out.

I believe there is absolutely no excuse for not giving Ward help over the top on that particular play. 3rd and 27 and Spags doesn't double the guy who already had two 50+ yard TD catches? Spags lost the game on that play, and on every he didn't double Chase on after the 70 yard TD pass.

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Roger, I usually love your takes. The TD drop, and the 60 yard bomb were both catchable balls, and Tyreek will catch those 8/10 times. I sent a text at halftime to my fantasy league asking if something was up with Reek. He is elite though. Blaming him for a 3-4 start or the loss yesterday is a pretty bad take.

The 5 losses we have this year, is because the defense was making the Offense we faced, Historically good.

I think if I remember correctly, the stat was, that every offense we faced, if they played us 16 / 17 games, we would make them a top 10 historic offense all time.

Kelce, nor Reek, nor Mahomes should be blamed for any of our losses. Have they had bad games. Yes. Have they not played their best ALL season long. Yes. But blaming them for any of the losses is foolish considering what the _efense did in those games.

This was good, but was really hoping for at Wut point do you ....

I'm very critical of dropped passes... but Tyreek and Kelce get a pass because of the success they have to make up for the drops.

Shithead likes Kemp, Drob, Gordon, and other WR's that are trying to earn a spot on the team and are dropping 25% of the passes intended to them? Get out of here with that. Pat isn't going to trust you, and you being on the field is a waste of a spot.

Earn some trust, make some plays... then have your occasional drop.

Won't lie if hill would have caught that 64-yard bomb this would have been a different game.

Throughout the season this has been an issue. Too many drops or balls going off the hands and being intercepted.

over half the interceptions of Mahomes are tipped balls.

Gracias senor! I've always had that avatar. It's at least 3-5 years old.
Just been lurking for so long.

This right here... Not only were they ints, they've also been pick 6 drops. Everyone can throw all the stats out in the world about how he broke all the WR records. Until the MF catches balls with consistency he's an athlete playing WR.

He's athletically special. Like I said if he isn't as athletic as he is, he's Pringle at best if only relying on his ability to catch.

He’s always been this. Always will be most likely.

But the good far outweighs the bad. We wouldn’t be where we are without him.

Would have been 35-17 actually but same thing.

Worst of all, the runback ran much time off the clock.