Has your outlook on Chiefs football changed ever since we won the super bowl?
 

Maybe I'm just getting older but ever since we won the super bowl a few years ago losing hasn't bothered me except for the super bowl loss to the Bucs & the Bengals game for an hour. Before we would lose a regular season game and it would **** my whole day up and I would be on here nearly getting banned.

Did the super bowl victory change anything for you?

Oh, for sure.

I really don't think football will ever quite mean the exact same as it did before.

That said, I find myself still getting pretty upset in the heat of the moment when it's dumb mental errors that cost us games. But I recover from all of these much, much faster.

The Bengals game still haunts me

I definitely feel like we got that monkey off our back when we won the Super Bowl.

Since this team is in the playoffs every year, and is looking like they'll be back yet again this year, regular season losses don't bother me nearly as much.

However if we look back in 5 years and we still only have the 1 Super Bowl win, I won't be able to help from thinking we blew some great opportunities.

Ever since the Chiefs drafted Mahomes, I don't get as upset by losses. They will happen however the Chiefs finally spent the draft capital and took the chance to get a player that gives the Chiefs a chance every year. Before, losses would just yank my heart out because I knew that everything had to go right for this team to have a chance.

I’ve seen each of my three favorite teams win a title: Chiefs, Royals, KU Basketball (twice).

I would assume most sports fans don’t get to see all of their teams win a title. There’s normally at least one who just sucks. That’s the Royals for me, but I still have seen them win a World Series.

Any future titles are just house money at this point.

Huge missed opportunity to go to 3 straight Super Bowls. We were the better team and we blew it.

Agreed. That being said, I'm just glad to see a once in a generation type of a QB on the team and winning a Super Bowl, after suffering so many bullshits in the 1990's to 2018.

And all that happened in a 7 year period which is pretty incredible when you think about it.

I don’t care nearly as much, it’s weird. Also torn between if it’s me getting older or just finally having achieved what seemed impossible and being fulfilled.

Still watch every game and enjoy the magic we get get to witness win or lose but I’m no longer deeply emotionally invested. It’s more of a fun distraction like a TV show at its peak.

Last year was a good wake up call. Chiefs fans got way too arrogant (myself included) and started talking way too much shit about what a generational team we are. We're a similar team and fans, but the league's competition has gotten better.

We are still one hell of a team and Mahomes' bad performances are way better than the many duffers Rodgers and Brady put up in their entire career. Feel like Chiefs fans have become confident but realistic. That's a good thing. I'd rather that then the end of the world posts after every loss.

What disappoints me more now isn't when we have some struggles on a few drives, it's when we miss opportunities right in front of our face. Even not at our best we should have won today and against Indy. We just need to tighten that shit up for the long haul.

Made me want more. Lack of disgust towards losing is for losers.

I'm far more placid now. It's a game and entertainment now, as opposed to the universe pounding on me and humiliating me for its own jollies. The universe and I are pals now.

Yeah, these are definitely the good years.

I still have trouble believing that the Royals really won a World Series in 2015. KU and the Chiefs don’t surprise me too much.

I still get very nervous on close games but the anger has long left.

Frustration at times like bad play calling or missed tackles or shitty refs but it doesn't last too long.

Yes, the rest is just gravy after that.

I also accepted a while ago that a Patriots-like dynasty is just not realistic in football for this franchise in the same way it was for them (given the ease of the Patriots' division consistently and how many games were effectively fixed for Tom Brady by the refs for decades). Anyone trying to measure themselves to that is going to fail.

My outlook changed when Mahomes proved the hype was real in his first year. Even when losing in the playoffs it went from "We may never get here again" to "Same time next year."

With the Royals it definitely made me not worry as much about the games and seasons. It just seemed like an impossibility and once achieved I was content.

The Chiefs I don’t care less, and in some ways it’s more as I had hoped for a dynasty, but at the same time I no longer invest nearly as much time and energy in them throughout the week via media, articles, radio etc worrying about what’s said or the conversation so I am not really affected by wanting to avoid those things after a loss.

And he's doing the same without Tyreek which to me makes it even more fun for whatever reason

Yes.

I have become quite jealous.

Losses don't stay with me as long as they used to since we've had such a recent championship.

However, the Bengals loss keeps feeling worse as we see the Rams being complete frauds. We'd have had another title had we not shit our pants! That one just gets more frustrating the farther out we get.

With Mahomes, the regular season is just one long warm up. It's hard to get too excited about it either way.

I'm the opposite.

I watch sports to see people maximize potential.

Before Mahomes, we might not have had the raw talent to win a SB or be a dynasty, but I rooted for the team playing to their best and seeing if the mix of talent and effort would be sufficient.

With Mahomes, we have the talent potential to beat anyone anywhere any time, so now I'm watching to see if the rest of the franchise can live up to the huge advantage we pocketed by drafting him.

That first SB set new expectations, rather than relieved pent-up existing ones.

In the long view, 15-20 years from now, if we've already peaked, the Chiefs will be the franchise that got the greatest player in history and only won one close early SB with that gift, instead of a proud franchise of reliable achievement.

Since Mahomes regular season wins and losses don't mean shit.

We have basically become Alabama... Get through the regular season and then the 2nd season, playoffs determine success or failure for the year. We used to hope to get to 10-6 and make the playoffs. It has become expected, and have a perennial chance at the SB. Those younger, enjoy it. Those older, we get it, and appreciate this time.

Yeah taking it too personally seems to be something a lot of people need to grow out of, myself included in the past.

And the Super Bowl the year before. Now we have to keep hearing about how the Chiefs are one and done until they win another Super Bowl. Expectations are definitely higher but that makes it more fun.

I feel really sorry for you.

But I'm glad you enjoyed the Alex Smith years more when we outperformed our overall potential but accomplished nothing. That must've left you feeling warm and fuzzy inside.

The Colts won one with Peyton. Same with the Packers with Favre and Rodgers, and the Saints with Brees. ****ing Marino didn't even get one. Brady having 7 rings really skews everyone's perspective on how many rings an elite, generational quarterback should win in their career. Obviously I hope we don't look back in 20 years and lament the fact we only got one ring with Mahomes, but if that's the case, it is what it is. However I really don't think that will be the case and I feel like if we can get a second one, it might make getting subsequent ones easier.

This describes my current outlook perfectly. Even down to the only two losses that bothered me a little bit (briefly). And I used to be the same way where a loss would really bum me out for a few days.

We got to the promised land. Everything else is gravy.

Superbowl was the pinnacle for me. Losses don't bother me anymore.

I’ve also noticed that watching ESPN less and less (except for games) has helped me get over losses much quicker. Before, I used to relive those losses like 3 or 4 times throughout the week.

I find the scripted debate shows completely unwatchable, so I consume less coverage than ever before.

Why do you feel sorry for me, and why do you think I 'enjoyed the Alex Smith years more' [unless, as everyone knows, that's just something you make up because you're angry and have a compulsion to be shitty by lying].

I am perpetually ecstatic we have Mahomes, and have been since we drafted him. There isn't an earlier and more steadfast proponent of him than I.

But the point is, football isn't about drafting the best QB ever, then sitting back in your Barcalounger satisfied that your job is done in perpetuity.

It's about building a team and achieving things, and if the Chiefs head the leg up of having Mahomes and STILL fail to build a team and achieve things, that's not a testament to much in the big scheme of things.

As it stands now, the Seahawks have a pedigree of doing more with Russell ****ing Cornball Wilson IN THE ERA OF THE PATRIOTS DYNASTY than the Chiefs have yet.

It's not that I'm down on the team, or perpetually disappointed. [I know you pounce every single time I observe that a bad play is a bad play, but it also seems you ignore that I applaud every good play as well]. I just maintain high expectations. High expectations are merited with the advantages we currently enjoy. MoF, I really feel sorry for fans who are done being fanatical because the greatest player ever got them one SB and they think that's all they ever really needed or deserved.

That's a great take. Manning could be argued to be one of the best, if not maybe the best true QB ever and he only got one. The Packers have literally had 30 straight years, 30 YEARS!, of All-pro QB play and only got 2.

So much has to align to constantly win in football, even with the greats.

All that being said, I would like to see the Chiefs with Mahomes win more SBs than the Giants with Eli Manning.

Eli Manning has 2. Wouldn't even out that guy in the top 50 QBs of all time. Football is weird

Also Brady went 10 years without winning a ring. And he has 7. That's insane.

Losing bothers me a lot less. Part of that is being a lot more mature now, sports in general don’t get me worked up like they once did.

Chiefs have nothing to prove. As an elite team we’re always going to be back. We have our trophy, we’re living in the Chiefs’ golden age. Why walk around being negative?

Chiefs fans tend to have a mentality that it’s all a house of cards and it’s probably going to come crashing down any minute. A weird level of insecurity for a team that already reached the summit.

Exactly this.

Some of it is getting older, but the Indy loss where Luck bounced the ball to himself and everyone got concussions REALLY ****ed with my ass. HARD. I didn't even watch the end. I went and cleaned the garage. Wife had to come check on me. And that's not THAT long ago. At least for me and my old ass.

Mahomes provided a ****ton of catharsis for me, and I'm guessing a huge swath of the fanbase.

It's a stupid ****ing game that I have 0 capacity to impact the outcome of, but goddamn it, Mahomes legitimately made my life better.

I think Rodgers is a playoff choker and Peyton was a notorious underachiever until he got to Denver, people were calling him the Schottenheimer of QBs. Brees was a master technician, but never really had great all-around talent around him, so he's more of a Marino than a choker, . . . and NONE of them have the game-changing ability of Mahomes.

Put it this way, do YOU think that the Packers, Colts, Saints or Dolphins achieved everything they were capable of when they had generational QBs?

Man that is just crazy isn't it. ****ing Eli has more than Peyton.

I will say that if Mahomes can get a second, he will cement himself as one of the greatest of all-time because of they way he does it.

Plus that would be sweet because I could then use that to talk so much shit on Packers and Manning fans as they only got 1 with those QBs. ROFL

I still have a lot of hate for Peyton Manning and still think he's overrated.

Yes... and long before Mahomes, all I wanted was a team that made it to the most important late-January games on a fairly consistent basis (or ever).

I walked out of Arrowhead from the 2018 AFCCG as happy as I could after a loss, knowing they hit the mark, then the SB win the following year really cemented it in my mind.... that this team would be right there in mid-late January every year Mahomes is healthy.

And sports is a fickle bitch... for every Brady, there are several Aaron Rodgers or guys who didn't even get one.

I certainly don't want the team to waste his talent, considering how much has to go wrong for them not to play in or win a SB every year or two.... but similar to the other sports I follow, it's not like I have a number of championships beyond that first one to "demand" as a fan. :shrug:

I feel sorry for you because it seems that the only way you derive enjoyment from this sport is whether your team - after all the trials and tribulations and games of chance that define a season - wins a Super Bowl or not. As if there’s no other metric of success that’s relevant in defining your level of satisfaction from watching Mahomes play.

I think that’s really depressing. And I feel bad for you.

More likely than not you’re going to overrate the advantage that we have over others (‘homer bias’) and experience a much less satisfying experience.

And I think most people here know that you do not seem to acknowledge good and bad equally. I am hardly the person who has called that out most. But it’s helpful to know your mindset and where it’s all coming from.

Absolutely. You won't ever hear any complaints from me.

If in 2011 a psychic told me that from 2017-2022 we would draft a generational talent at QB, he'd win MVP his first year starting, we'd extend him for essentially his whole career, and we'd host 4 AFC title games, go to 2 Super Bowls, and win 1....

I would've told them to lay off the crack pipe...

Is this where we sit in a circle and talk eachother off the ledge?

All it takes is one poor game and the opposing teams playing great and you are done.

When the Mad Bomber died, I reviewed his playoff stats. He had two of the greatest divisional games ever. 5 TDs and 6 TDs respectively. The following championship games were not so good.

Playoffs are a high wire act. The greatness of a 17 game season washed away by one game.

Since 1992 and they've won 2 Super Bowls... that boggles my ****ing mind.

Peyton has 2 as well. One was almost entirely due to his defense (which is the case for the majority of Brady's as well although few acknowledge that).

Technically Peyton has 2 even though the one on the Broncos shouldn't count

The Patriots with their undefeated regular season and arguably the best all-around team in history are gonna be known for losing to the Giants because Eli Manning broke out of a sack like He-Man and launched some bullshit that a JAG WR caught with his helmet.

Sometimes, it is one poor half.

Sometimes, it is one crazy play.

Pivot plays.

Oh **** you're right.

Guess Mahomes needs 3 now.

I ****ing hate Manning.

Yep. In the heat of the moment and maybe an hour or so after the loss, I am about the same, but I recover much quicker now. Losses used to **** with me for days and basically ruin my week (at least in years where I felt we had chance to win a SB).

You're writing more unauthorized fanfiction on my behalf.

I've consistently said it's more about the team realizing it's potential than specific wins and losses. We don't lose many games, but the sobering part is that when we do lose we almost never lose to an amazing effort by a superior opponent. When we do lose, we often shit the bed, sometimes [2022 Colts] to the dregs of the league.

Trials and tribulations should be things like injuries and superior opposition, but bad vibes or sluggishness or being ill-prepared.

To be clear, because it's readily apparent that if I'm not CRYSTAL clear you are ever vigilant with an uncharitable interpretation, it's not like I'm perpetually dour, or hoping to be dour. . . I just don't relax my standards because 'well, we've already had enough fun being good at football.' Every time they take the field it's an opportunity to display talent and effort. Taking the field with a healthy Mahomes [another factor we've taken for granted] should rightfully be a celebration of excellence. They have the resources, they have the incentive. I started this whole string pointing out that's why I watch. It's been why I've watched since I started. I don't know the psychology unpinning some effort to force me to watch for some other reason.

You sound like a GM and not a fan.

Being a fan is absolutely about enjoying the hell out of the most talented generational franchise-iest quarterback in the history of the Chiefs and maybe the NFL.

I understand the potential frustration with wasting his talent.... except, they've hosted 4 AFCCGs and aren't anywhere near wasting Mahomes' career away, and currently it doesn't seem like that's the intention to say the least.

If he ever gets a defense as good as Denver had in that year, he'll win 3 for sure.

Considering the refs actively and intentionally try to prevent us from winning every game, the fact that Mahomes has won 1 is more impressive than Brady’s 7.

every day with patrick mahomes as my QB is a gift from the football gods, win or lose

this time will never come again

Regular season losses no longer ruin my weeks, or even my Sundays anymore. We're just playing for something bigger than the regular season now.

Do you think Houston fans still bang their chest about beating us in Arrowhead in 2019?

Yeah. Thought not.

Not even that elite.

48 out of 56 Super Bowl winners have had a top 10 scoring defense.

The Chiefs have had that for the last three years.

Eric blew it by blowing up Pat at half time. :rolleyes:

I want at least one more Super Bowl win to tie the Donkos & Faiders. I’m tired of hearing how they have more.


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I’m confident we’ll win another before either of them

Makes a big difference...the two KC teams winning championships within five years takes away the snake-bit feeling there used to be.

this loss set up what could be a brand new experience for us as chiefs fans - winning an afc championship game on the road

just thinking about that makes me smile

life is about experiences

Eh bout the same. I don't really look at losses and think "eh, we won a Superbowl in 2019, so it doesn't matter" cause losses still do matter and they still hurt at times. The difference is that I know we always have a chance even if we aren't a top seed whereas before, a loss in seed would have been a great deal.

Also, I have always enjoyed wins and hated losses no matter the ultimate outcome of the season. It's so weird to me that people hated the Alex Smith years just because ultimately we lost in the playoffs. Idk, regular season wins were still very much fun for me back then too. Just as they are now.

Anybody who has followed this team the past several years and is now out on the ledge should be pushed

How often do we lose to the dregs of the league?

And you cite ‘injuries’ as a reasonable excuse. If we have Butker, do we lose that Colts game?

If we have Fisher and Schwartz, do we lose that Super Bowl?

If the Dolphins don’t miraculously beat the Patriots in week 17 of 2019, do we win the SB without home field advantage and a bye?

My strong belief is you ascribe more superiority than luck to our wins and vice versa for our losses. And with that, you’re likely to be perpetually disappointed by anything less than the peak of a SB.

This cannot go by without comment.

Maybe you missed it, but BEFORE Mahomes, the entirety of the CP consensus FOR DECADES was that any NFL franchise season that did not result in a SB was a complete waste of time.

And now that we actually have a reason to expect the SB, you want to change the entire culture of the fanbase to 'hey, it's just fun to watch.'

This has long been my problem, it seems like a lot of Chiefs fans don't even LIKE FB as an entire endeavor. They like a QB skills challenge. Playing the entire game doesn't really matter, achievement doesn't really matter, they're actually just there for neat looking pass plays.

That's not deriding quality QB play, it's a necessity in today's league. But I like the sport, and part of that is seeing everyone doing their job toward a common goal and high achievement. I can watch neat throws on Tik-Tok or at the Pro-Bowl. I watch NFL football for NFL football reasons.

I saw the first as the first of several. Now I’m worried that this could end up being a Rodgers situation. The road’s only getting tougher.

I guess the alternative is to become a Bills fan... and they only lost 9-6 to the Jags last season.

Or a Packers team with 2 SBs in 30 years of franchise QBs who lost to the Jets this week.

Or maybe... :shrug:

Yeah, this is a 'you' problem in that these narratives never actually happened. You continuously stretch out arguments to these insane levels hyperbole when in fact the Chiefs were a ****ing embarrassment for decades and most fans simply wanted to not be a ****ing embarrassment.

Jets look legit good. Young though which will screw them up but they will give Buffalo some fits.

The journey is the destination. I just enjoy the games each week and don't worry about HFA or media opinions. That stuff makes each game seem critical and for me takes the fun out of it. Accept the L and move on to next week.

Life is challenging enough without turning entertainment into stress.

The Chiefs are 15th in defensive DVOA this year, 24th last year, 22nd in 2020, 14th in 2019, and 27th in 2018.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/st...y/2018/regular

Mahomes has never once had a good defense behind him in his career.

TRUTH !!

You all state truth. Obviously I can only speak for myself, BUT for those of us who actually played the game and at the bare minimum high school level all the way through college(regardless of division whether you played NAIA or Div III or I it doesn't matter, once a player always a player) you still have the same nervous butterflies, intensity and love for the game as though you were still playing it, watching with a mental, emotional and critical eye for the game. As some of you said, it has become a little easier to watch but I have to still really make a conscious effort to let losses go. I will say, I have started to embrace the enjoyment of entertainment having Pat as our QB no matter how many players are injured or key bad position players that need to be gone, because we still have a chance with Pat as QB. How many teams in the NFL can say that besides Buffalo ??

LOL. If there’s anyone on CP who seems like he might not like football as an entire endeavor, I would likely vote you at the top of the list. And I’m pretty sure others would do so as well.

And yes, pre-Mahomes, when this team had won a single playoff game in 25 years, I’m sure every season short of a Super Bowl was completely worthless. Right. And that’s why despite the fact that this team likely had no shot at a championship people continued to post throughout the season to experience the team’s ups and downs.

Sports are glorious for the entire path taken. It’s always been that way. And most people have always derived enjoyment from the journey rather than the destination, even if they’re unable to recognize that in the moment.

But yes. When the team won a SB, I would imagine most fans softened on some level and had an easier time enjoying the entire experience. I think that’s a pretty normal reaction.

Thank you so much for addressing this, though. You’re a true hero as you battle for the soul of the true fan. Please do not allow anything else to go by without comment! Long live chivalry!

Spags was hired with the lofty expectation of making it "average."

He's succeeded once, and it isn't a coincidence we won a Super Bowl when he did it.

Still can't get Alex Smith's balls out of his mouth

Well, you're wrong. I'll leave it to individual assessment whether you are legit oblivious, or just flat lying.

I know what conversations I've seen here. I remember what has been said here.

If you think the sentiment was hyperbole, you should have called out the people when they asserted it, not me for recalling it. That is, unless you fall on the oblivious side.