Trade Deadline
 

With their now being that extra WC spot and everyone being bunched up, there's gonna be alot of executives deluding themselves into thinking they have a shot.

Even with that said, I've never understood why more teams don't sell. Take the Raiders for instance and Josh Jacobs. He's clearly going elsewhere this offseason, so they probably think they could get a 3rd round comp pick. If the Saints beat them this weekend, why wouldn't you try to move him?

The Saints should trade anything that's not bolted down at this point, but I digress.

I know teams don't like to shit on their fanbase and sell because of tickets and blah blah blah.

Why dont' more teams sell though?

Just depends on how far into the contract the coach or GM is. If you're at the end....you aren't trying to tear everything down. You're trying to save your job.

I hadn't thought thru that much, but you're right. You'd need some assurances from the owner first.

deluding.

Ah yes, thanks.

To some extent it's a lack of teams looking to buy, IMO.

But I agree that there should be more trades at certain positions. I would think DL and RB should be positions that can hit the ground running pretty quickly.

This is the unfortunate cycle for many teams. People within the organization have different priorities. Very few GMs/coaches have the job security to truly sign on for a rebuild. So they just paste together some team that can finish above .500 and save their job(s) for another year.

A few years ago the Browns GM went all-in on tank mode, accumulated a ton of picks, and they rebuilt that team with a ton of young talent. It was obvious that it was a plan that was agreed upon by ownership. But then they fired the GM anyway, shortly before the team took a gigantic leap forward.

You have to have to believe the owner (or other executive above you) will give you the time you need to rebuild and develop.

I simply don't think most franchises have that.

What teams out there can you say are (a.) hopeless, and (b.) have a person in charge who will patiently allow the coach/GM to trade off parts of the house in order to build and develop a new one?

Patriots with Belichick
Steelers with Tomlin
Jags with Peterson
maaaaaaybe Dennis Allen with the Saints, maybe.

End of list.

I get not trading for a Qb.

But outside that, I'd think you should be able to ease a guy in.

Plus I don't know of a ton of owners out there that are going to be okay with admitting that they're in a fire sale or rebuild year. Their goal is to keep as much talent as possible until they can find those one or two pieces to push them over the top.

This is probably true, but even still is crazy. Owners who are usually very intelligent wealthy people, just look short sighted when doing it this way.

Look at the Broncos. There's no reason they shouldn't atleast trade Chubb. He's not re signing there and they need picks to recoup the Wilson trade.

Reports now are saying the Browns want a 4th round pick for Kareem Hunt.

His cap hit is pretty low too. I would imagine he's going to get traded given those numbers.

Should the Colts be added to the list? Could be wrong, but seems like Ballard and even Reich have a pretty long leash. Reich benching Matt Ryan forever after this last weekend's game indicates a guy that makes decisions that aren't based on fear.

I would love it if we gave up a 4th to get him back. It would increase our chances of winning the Super Bowl enough to justify it without question.

I don't see it happening though given the history. Clark Hunt stated he would never play for the Kansas City Chiefs again so I can't see him going back on that. He could change his mind after so many years but it's not likely.

Kareem Hunt will never play for teh Chiefs. We should all move on.

And neither will Lamar

**** Kareem Hunt.

Either that or an act of desperation.

Think the Saints would consider trading Cam Jordan?

A lot of speculation out there that they will trade him. Not sure what kind of draft picks you'd have to give up but his cap hit is like $13M, which not many people are going to want.

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They've already paid him most of his money so probably only if they got something good.

Guys like Kamara and Lattimore are who they should be moving.

So we're in on Cooks?

Hopefully, we've called about Hughes too.

So, (I'm sure this will be taken well and discussed and I won't get yelled at) if they're calling on COoks, what's that say about Moore?

We gave no need for skill players
We need defense or OL.

It's not either/or. They should be looking to add anywhere and everywhere they can.

I don't know how many times this needs to be said.

That he’s probably too expensive in terms of draft capital.

I think the interest in Cooks puts back on the table what they wanted to begin with, JuJu with Tyreek. Cooks skillset gives you something similar again.

He was talking about Skyy not DJ, I believe.

Yeah, you can only add what's available.

If the Browns publicize they will cough up Kareem for a 4th then you'd better be blowing up their phones.

Adding Cooks just gives this offense another capable weapon to win one on one matchups.

The one other thing - Cooks is under contract through next season. The WR room gets a lot less crowded next year with only MVS and Moore having contracts. The issue is that Cooks' contract is pretty massive.

They could also take the opportunity to convert some of his non-guaranteed salary into a signing bonus. His cap hits aren't horrible.

2023 - $18 million
2024 - $13 million

Cooks demands too much cap.

Unless we are trading a cap heavy guy for him it won't work.

Move on.

I'm somewhat shocked you aren't advocating trading our 1st rounder for him.

Who do you have us giving up that pick for?



:D

Most teams are not in an excellent cap position during the season to make blockbuster trades and absorb the hits. Sometimes you get the right contract and price together and a team takes it on. CMC had a relatively modest impact this year. DJ Moore does too. There are several more, but the guys that might yet hit a team for 15+ million aren't going anywhere and if they are then it's likely not to a contender. At that point, it's two teams shuffling the deck trying to align for next year.

They aren't horrible but they're probably still too steep for the Chiefs.

:cuss:

The interesting thing about Cooks is that you really could be looking at a bit of a one-stop shop.

Cooks, Hughes and Green are all guys who could help quite a bit. And between the 3 of them I think you're looking at maybe $2.8 million in total cap obligations.

The Texans may be more inclined to part them individually and see if that gets them a better return, but as a group they could maybe get as much as a 2nd for them. I think I'd give up a 3 and another 3 the following year.

Damn straight. Hughes and Green would help this defensive end group a ton. Not sure you can take on both though.

I cannot get behind this bc Juju is significantly more valuable than Cooks. This offense declined when they lost Sammy Watkins. The offense as a whole thrives on precision and YAC.

Not having a guy like Juju breaking tackles and having that speed to get open really hurt us.

Cooks is 29 and Juju is only 25. Give that money to Juju going forward

In a heartbeat. That would address several weaknesses in one swoop.


And the ridiculous idea that we shouldn't improve in any area possible with the players available to us because we have greater need elsewhere is one of the dumbest, most short sighted, dim witted ideas I've seen on CP.

I don't disagree but we have no idea what the Chiefs are thinking. Obviously, they're interested in Cooks but we really don't know why yet.

There should be a lot of trades since so many stars just got injured last 2 weeks and certain teams are in the shitter.

I don't expect anything from the Chiefs but you never know with our boy Brent Leach

You should see social media.

"But we need defense! WHY?!?!"

EDIT: Even worse, most of them think we need to trade for a CB. They've completely forgotten we just spent a 1st round pick on one.

It's like people think Veach is saying "I am going to trade for Cooks INSTEAD of a pass rusher or a tackle". They just don't grasp the idea that not every position group is available at all times.

Haha, oops!

Why can't we take on cooks? If Juju plays like he is the rest of the season we can't afford him anyways. Getting a guy like Cooks would be awesome for this offense and its a friendly contract for the next two years.

Yep.

What makes people think that trading for Cooks would eliminate the possibility of bringing back Juju? If anything....they could get rid of MVS and keep both Cooks AND Juju.

They could keep all 3 in the event that Hardman becomes too expensive to keep.

I dont' think JuJu is here long term.

I also don't understand why the Commanders aren't offloading all they can. They suck and they have a bunch of DL they aren't gonna keep and or pay.

They could but I don't see MVS as some amazing WR that needs to be kept around. He'll serve his purpose as a deep threat this season but I'd rather have Cooks considering he's only a year older.

He’s by far our biggest FA to keep IMO. Only guy who is a WR1 on the team.

He’s gonna be valuable as Kelce ages too.

Even more than coaches, I think it's an ownership/GM situation.

Does the owner trust the GM to reboot? This may and probably does mean new coaching staff, too.

problem is, if that GM hired the current staff, that's a bit of a problem.

I think he'd stay if they were willing to pay him. It just is going to depend on what his demands are.

MVS is under contract for next season already, though. I don't think they'll part with him.

Why do people keep spreading the bs lie about "Clark said he would never play for KC again" WHEN HE DIDN'T SAY THAT and Veach actually hinted that the door is not closed on Kareem for a return one day? Smh.

And that's why the Browns are......well......the Browns.

Why? He took a little less to stay in Pitt because he liked being thee. If he likes it here he may be the type of guy to stay.

Juju is almost definitely going to go for the team that offers him the most $$$. He still hasn't signed a long term deal worth big $$$ yet IIRC. As fine as he's been here don't think he's the one I'd tie all that cap up in.

I think it all depends on this upcoming draft, and how a team views it.

Is an elite QB there? Are you SURE? Is it a guy that's worth staking your career on?

Because, in this league, if you don't have one, you're not getting anywhere.

Under the current rules, the 2000 Ravens don't win a SB. Neither do the '02 Bucs. The game is just different now, the league WANTS the Superstar QB's and is skewing everything towards them dominating.

Good thing we have one.

But if you don't? Literally nothing else is going to matter.

Even with a really good defense, you still have to have a QB that's operating at or very near elite. See Stafford last year.

So for Washington, it's bird in hand if you don't see an elite QB in the '23 draft.

I'd use Green inside to replace Wharton.

He's listed as an edge but has typically had his best success on the interior.

Knowmo is an exaggeration, but closer to some truths. The state of Texas that lives and breathes football. Believe the Cowboys are Super Bowl bound every year. Though they usually teeter on stinking.

Ah shit...

His 2023 salary ($18 million) is guaranteed.

Nevermind, I'm out on Cooks. He's a nice enough player, but he's not an $18 million player.

Yeah I saw what DJ is seeing. I don’t see a way to circumvent that guaranteed money

Because Cooks has an $18 million cap figure next year and no incentive at all to lower it because it's guaranteed.

Now his contract has 2 more years on it so you could bonus him out, plow $9 million of it into 2024 and then release him and take the dead cap hit...but why would you want to do that?

I just feel like that guaranteed money next year gives him next to zero actual trade value. He's not an asset on the books anymore at that point.

I knew he had a big number next year but I didn't realize it was a guaranteed figure. That really changes the calculus a lot. Because even if you wanted to bring him back next season, if that's non-guaranteed money you can use that as leverage to get him to renegotiation (because a 30 yr old WR doesn't want to get cast into the FA marketplace).

But since it's guaranteed, he'd have to agree to a new deal just to get out of Texas. I'm not sure he'd be willing to do that.

I just don't see how Cooks would make this team significantly better and then I'm not ready to give up on the guys we have. Cooks does have a better career then I thought but every time I watch him play he underperforms. If we can upgrade the pass rush, I'm all for it but I'm not interested in fixing something that isn't broke. Just keep refining the offense with the WRs we have as well as the TEs who aren't named Kelce.

If we're going to be players at the deadline, I want impactful additions.


RB: Hunt? Bagh! Forget him, he's a premium backup. Bring me Kamara!!!

WR: Moore was a perfect target, but CAR not willing to move on. Cooks and JuJu are a nice pair, I'm in but I'm not overly impressed with Wood's career production. Claypool might be just a good a fit, brings something different with his size. OBJ? Sure!

DL: Wanted Burns, not gonna happen. Bradley Chubb!?!? Quinn, sure as long as not too expensive. Suh, yes please.

I would be doing what Philly or the Browns did a few years ago and accumulating as much cap space and as many draft picks as I could until I hit the QB.

I disagree. I think if we offer a fair deal he will want it and stay here. He doesn't talk like a guy that wants to only be money grubby on a shit team. He rather win and stay with Mahomes.

Didn’t see that before. Give me Hughes and Green then.

Rivera and their GM are probably about to get the knife

The way the wr market went last year 18 million isn't that much for one year. I get it though, we just don't have anything at the position next year.

Draft, coach them up. Look for next years JJSS

Meh will we start to see that $18M is actually a good deal. Guys are getting almost $30M this past off season.