Do we want DeHop?
 

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Story by Andrew Gould




The Kansas City Chiefs won the Super Bowl without a star wide receiver, but they could reportedly make an elite offense even scarier by acquiring DeAndre Hopkins.

NFL insider Benjamin Albright told PHNX Cardinals that Kansas City is the "primary suitor" for Hopkins. He doesn't know the draft compensation the Cardinals would receive, but he said it's more likely they get a second-round pick than a first.

After the 2022 season, theScore's Jordan Schultz reported that the Cardinals plan to trade Hopkins this offseason.

Arizona hired a new general manager and head coach after a disappointing four-win season, and Hopkins is set to make $19.45 million (with a $30.75 million cap hit) in 2023. The Cardinals could seek a clean slate by moving the three-time All-Pro wideout, who turns 31 in June.

Hopkins began his Cardinals career by tallying 1,407 yards and six touchdowns in 2020. However, multiple lower body injuries limited him to 10 games in 2021, and he served a six-game suspension to start the 2022 season for violating the NFL's PED policy.

Yet he remains an impact player when on the field. Hopkins totaled 474 receiving yards in six full games with quarterback Kyler Murray last season.

Now imagine what he can accomplish when catching passes from Patrick Mahomes.

The Chiefs flourished without a star replacement for Tyreek Hill, but they could still benefit by solidifying the position this offseason. JuJu Smith-Schuster is a free agent after garnering 78 catches for 933 yards on a one-year deal. The depth chart features several talented question marks in Mecole Hardman, Kadarius Toney, and Marquez Valdes-Scantling.

Adding Hopkins could be great news for Kansas City, but terrible for all opposing defenses.
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Do we want a high priced prima donna?

Do I want him? No, not really. I don't really care one way or another.

It does seem like the rumors are gaining steam, though.

Eh, this article is citing Benjamin Albright, who isn't a great source. I haven't seen anybody else report this rumor. Have you?

I like it.

I understand the sentiment against it but Kelce/DHop/Toney whatever is unfair.

Sure for a reasonable type of price though.

Mixed. He's actually relatively cheap if he's even 70 to 80 percent of what he was at 19m and 14m, but there's no way for us to know his health or $$$ wants. If he needs a new contract **** no.

I'd take his talent/ability for sure. But, I wouldn't pay the cost to get him.

It's all over social media. Let me see here in a bit (damn work) if I can find sources.

The usual provisos for an elite team apply. We have a lot of stars who need to be paid. If you want to take a team friendly deal to win a ring, welcome aboard. If you want to break the market, there's probably a poverty team with a lot of cap space waiting to overpay you.

Of course you could also view it this way...

How often do you get a chance to win 2 in a row and adding Hopkins to the offense makes this team that much harder to deal with.

That's kinda the way I see it.

Do whatever it takes to keep winning.

If they're asking for a second maybe we can get him for a mid rounder and change, especially if he's pressuring them behind the scenes to send him here.

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For a second? No way. He's 30, and he's done very little since getting busted for PEDs.

Third and sixth, yes.

Absolutely not, plus people should realize by now that Veach isn't interested in older players and long contracts, unless of course that player is Travis Kelce.

DeAndre Hopkins will be 31 when the season starts and has a $30.75 mil cap hit next year and then a $26 mil cap hit the year after. When has Veach ever went out and gotten an old player on anything more than a one year deal? The only player he's attempted to get is Trent Williams and at the time Williams was regarded as the top LT in the game and lineman age better than WR.

This has 0% chance of happening.

Not with that cap hit

Is it just speculative rumors or something more? Has Dov Kleiman tweeted anything about it?

What is it about this guy that I just don't like ... I can't seem to pinpoint it. He gives me the Cam Newton, Russell Westbrook vibes

We’re responsible for his base salary. Not the full cap hits.

Wut? Those aren't the cap hits for the team that trades for him. Arizona eats roughly 22 million in dead money and it's essentially a 2 year roughly 35 million dollar deal.

His eyelids are always half mast thus making him look indifferent about everything

717 yards and 3 TDs in 9 games last year with a suntanned Doug Flutie at QB isn't "very little."

I read this as Do You want IHOP?

We do, but we won’t want to pay him like DeHop

Now if he wants to come in for DeHip money, count us in.

This isn’t the desperation of the Alex smith chiefs or the 90s failures.

We have Mahomes. We don’t have to trade picks for has beens. Thst reeks of pathetic and desperate.


If he comes here on a nfl vet min and incentives. Fine. Otherwise save the picks for youth.

Jesus Christ Arizona LMAO

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Unless he's taking a discount because he wants to win, this doesn't make a lot of sense.

You're trading a second and giving him a new deal, you may as well have just kept Hill. We literally just won a SB using the WR by committee strategy, doesn't seem logical to back track on that now.

I'll trust whatever they decide, but I think Albright is throwing shit at the wall. This doesn't seem like a very Veach-like move.

Whoa now trading for a future HOFer doesn't reek of desperation.

And people seem to be forgetting that Murray's season ended in week 10 or 12. DHop had Colt McCoy, B. Rypien, And McSorley as his QBs for almost half the season.

If you lose JuJu you HAVE to bring someone in

May as well make it someone good


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Yep. I'm OK with a trade as long as it is less than a second round pick. If you can get him for a third (which is really almost a 4th being the last pick in the round), then I think it's a good deal. He still has a few good years left and Hopkins, Toney, Moore, MVS, Watson, and Ross? along with Kelce is a shit ton of weapons for Mahomes to work with.

Hard pass for a 2nd. There will be some really nice WRs available in the 2nd round this year.

I'd also prefer to not tie up cap space in an aging WR.

So what if JJSS wants to come back cheaper? We don't have to give up draft picks to get about the same production!

The same production? Hopkins would have way better production here than JJSS. He basically had JuJu's production last year in 9 games. It would also allow Skyy Moore to play almost exclusively in the slot where his quickness and route running is best suited for. You put Hopkins and Toney on the outside and Moore in the slot along with Kelce doing what he does and this offense is better than last year.

Just say no. You have Mahomes. You don’t have to waste picks on aging Wrs.

You can either get another skyy moore or mecole hardman with a chance of them being a bit better, or you can get a garunteed deandre hopkins for 2-3 years.

Easy decision to me.


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Veach Im sure just keeping all options on the table while he negotiates with JJSS. If Juju leaves for more $ Im sure DHop becomes a realistic possibility. Kelce, DHop and Toney would absolutely tear defenses apart.

Valid point, but neither did trading up into the 1st round to get a CB like we did last year. Before that happened everyone was sure Veach viewed CB as an afterthought, filling the position with whatever scraps he could get via trade, free agency, or mid-to-late round draft picks.

You never know what Veach has up his sleeve.

oooooohhhhh maaaahhhhh haaaawwwwwwwww


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Personally, I don't see the extra $$, loss of draft picks for a Prima Donna that will have to learn the offense, is not the speedster he once was. He's nothing more in this offense as a procession guy, same as JJSS. There are other WR's that we must address on the staff.

We all know Reids offense is complicated for WR's & RB's that catch the ball. I'm leaning on Year 2 of MVS,Watson,Moore,Toney 7 JJSS can be more dynamic that this last year was while saving salary cap $$, draft capital allowing us to still focus on 2024.

Plus we don't know if the John Ross reclamation project will get any traction.

Personally, I just don't see this being a need if JJSS is really wanting to come back reasonable as it's been stated. Another solid back up/or starter from our 2nd or 3rd rd pick at a lower cap is much more valuable to me.

I guarantee that Bert and co. are feeling their oats after the last couple drafts. I could see him moving to acquire MORE picks instead of flipping a premium one for a big-contract WR.

If he would do it for his current contract, maybe.

Not for a 2, but I'd guess they want a 2 we wanna give up a 4 it ends with a 3 or something kinda deal.

This team took a swing at AJ Brown...if it's there they'll certainly see if it can be done.

AJ was much younger and faster! DeHop is not a spring chicken anymore!

I mean if you want a true Z WR who can do all the stuff that comes with what they want....he'd fit pretty well right?

You're not getting DHop impact in this draft's 2nd round.

The Kansas City Chiefs won the Super Bowl without a star wide receiver kind of says it all, doesn't it? What would we have to give up to gain said "SWR"?? Jones? Yeah, right. I think I'll pass since we have MVS, Toney, and Moore under contract. Add 2 of the Ross clan's finest, a Juju that wants to come back, and the draft on the horizon. We have to quit jizzing ourselves over WRs when we don't have a LT (or RT for that matter) and important current team members due some cash in a couple years.

The Kansas City Chiefs won the Super Bowl without a star wide receiver. Big deal. What we do have is one Patrick Lavon Mahomes II. Let that sink in for a bit.

I guess it depends.

What are his cap hits for the remaining years of his contract. And can I just walk away if he declines? If so I might be tempted, but I doubt he will get you a 2nd. I can see the Chiefs dangling a combination of picks with the highest being a 4th.

17.5/year.

Damn, that’s a tough call.

We weren't getting Hill's "impact" in the draft either, but it was still the right move. The contract matters. The trade compensation matters. The age and years of control matter.

Can he? At 31 when the season grows upon us! For how long?

If both players plays until 34 yrs of age, do you want the guy that is 31 when the season starts or the one that will be 27 when the season starts?

Now the thing we do not know are the unknowns! Injuries, how long one plays so you have to look at all the other things around it.

I'd rather pay him that, than JJSS 14 I think.

If Juju wants 15 million I trade the 2nd for DHop everytime if he plays on this current contract for us.

He'd be a 1200 yard 8 TD guy here in this offense. Would be fun to see.

Of course the contract matters.

You don't understand the value if you think DHop isn't worth what he would be paid here for.

The issue is will he want more? If so then no.

If he plays on the current deal it's an easy yes.

And that's where I am.

For sure

I think with the amount of contributing rookies we have the play for Hopkins at 17 per isn't a bad idea at all.

I loved what Juju did for us but he has more limitations.

He is a top 16 NFL WR as a slot, his value drops way off outside.

Veach stated he loves versatility. Dhop can play anywhere at a high level.

I can't imagine he is playing on the current deal.

Absolutely, I'd never put anything past him. If this rumor is true though, along with the news they were swinging for A.J. Brown, it really makes you wonder what happened with Hill. If you're going to pay big for a WR, why not just keep him? Must have been more to the situation, perhaps Ty just really did want to move on.

I'm all for it if Veach thinks he can make it work without losing guys like Sneed and Bolton for the long haul.

You're right, DHop isn't a kid anymore. But can AJ do what DHop does at 9:04?:D Sick. Just sick.

Lot of nice catches, route-running, adjustments in here. Especially when you consider that he's catching passes from four different QBs, three of whom aren't NFL starters. But that catch at 9:04 is just nonsense. The one at 2:24 is pretty ridiculous as well.


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I'm not saying he's not worth the contract in a vacuum. I'm saying, in totality, I'm not sure he's worth the overall investment. He very well may be and Bert may make the deal. But those are immediately $ and assets that can't be used elsewhere. Again, maybe Bert does it, but I don't think it's a slam dunk whatsoever.

Maybe? Maybe he will if it’s on a contender. He could also do it to facilitate a trade, play for a year and then request a new deal.

No thanks, when you're already #1 with a collection of twos and threes you don't need an expensive geezer... just keep stuffing the pipeline with rookies and young vets on prove it deals

But hey, if Veach and Reid want him I'll shut up and figure they know best

Pretty sure either him or his agent has already said he wants a new contract as part of any trade.

Kind of what I was thinking.

What does the extra 3.5 give you a year?

We have proven you don't have to pay big money to receivers or rbs.

Have the GOAT at QB and win in the trenches and its a recipe for great success.

Of course you want him if you can make it work. He's a first ballot HOF wideout with best hands in football, he wouldn't be fair with Patrick Mahomes throwing him the the ball. Now, can you make it work? That's a different discussion.

see post #62 above

For those implying that he's washed up and/or too old, less than 5 months ago he went on a multi-game run where he was a top-5 WR in the NFL.

Oct 20 - 10 rec 103 yds
Oct 30 - 12 rec 159 yds 1 TD
Nov 6 - 4 rec 36 yds 1 TD (The Midget left early due to a strained vag)
Nov 13 - 10 rec 98 yds
Nov 21 - 9 rec 91 yds
Nov 27 - 4 rec 81 yds 1 TD
Dec 12 - 7 rec 79 yds
Dec 18 - 7 rec 60 yds

And that's with the resting bitch face midget, Colt McCoy, and Trace "marty" McSorley throwing to him.

Don't kid yourself, he's still got plenty of gas left in the tank.

****ing no.

No more old people

There's a reason that if we made this move all of the other fans would like mother ****er! and complain.

The lesson from Tyreek isn't don't pay good WR's.

What they did was very specific to Hill at 30 million. They did not want to do that and Hill had trade value back.

Each situation has to be looked at on its own.

Even in his prime years with the Texans, I didn't want him. So many receivers are built around hype that when it's time to have sustained success, they fall off a cliff. I'm sure he has gas left in the tank, and would play better with Patrick and Reid than he has in years, but I'm not sure it'd be enough.

We’ve discussed this before and I’m still out.

DHop has a confrontational personality. He is not a good soldier on a losing team.

So KC has a position that not every team can have here.

To be honest, DHop and Toney would get along great. I think Toney would learn a lot from him.

Depends on his cost from a picks/salary perspective. KC still needs to address LT, which will be possibly trading up which will cost picks or pay Brown Jr. which will not be cheap. They also need to pay Jones, will need to address RT as well. Not against Hopkins, especially if we get him cheap. If not then pass as this team won it this year with JAGS at WR.

I still highly doubt DHop ends up in KC.

However, he's that dude. he's kind of the best of Sammy Watkins in terms of his ability to be a YAC monster. Almost Jerry Rice-esque ability to beat press man as well as find the soft spots in zones, and make catches under duress, but with Stefon Diggs' huge catch radius and elite hands. He's also one of the best situational receivers, similar to Travis, in his ability to see the coverage and make route adjustments on the fly; he can play beyond the Xs and Os.

Even at 30, you're kind of getting the 'lite' versions of those receivers physically, but with those ridiculous hands.

Chiefsplanet believes Kelce will still be producing when he's 50. No need to upgrade over Kadarius Toney and MVS. Lets just pay the fat guy and try to keep on trucking.