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RunKC 05-28-2023 06:33 PM

Looks like Noah Gray is gonna be our FB
 
Burton only played 75 snaps last year so it’s basically a flex position but I’m down.

Also sharing info so you don’t have to click on PFT link bc **** giving Florio clicks

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Wisconsin_Chief 05-28-2023 06:36 PM

I’ve always wondered why they didn’t just try a TE there for the limited snaps they get. Now you can keep 4 without having to sacrifice a WR or RB spot, makes sense.

Pasta Little Brioni 05-28-2023 06:48 PM

Smart

TLO 05-28-2023 06:54 PM

Fullback screens incoming

Rainbarrel 05-28-2023 06:55 PM

Noah can arc one too

Mephistopheles Janx 05-28-2023 07:08 PM

Yup... the FB position is basically dead in the NFL. The best FB in the NFL is TE turned FB in Kyle Juszczyk. He who was drafted as a FB after, IIRC but college footballs guys please correct me if I'm wrong, playing the majority of his career as the starting TE and playing H-Back out of Harvard's two TE system.

Smort.

BWillie 05-28-2023 07:34 PM

Mastermind shit incoming next szn

Dunerdr 05-28-2023 07:58 PM

So we stayed about the same blocking wise while getting a much better receiver at the position.

jjchieffan 05-28-2023 08:18 PM

It's not like the position has ever been valued in KC. I mean Sherman played on year league minimum deals every year until he retired. Burton did the same. I don't think that Andy was exactly stressing about him going to the Donks. I'm glad that they've finally decided to use that roster spot elsewhere.

smithandrew051 05-28-2023 08:23 PM

Chris Cooley but better

Rainbarrel 05-28-2023 08:35 PM

More dick pics, only bigger!

Holladay 05-28-2023 08:39 PM

I guess it depends on how much your team is a power running team and short yardage.

Though, just look at the Eagles on short yardage. Just play rugby and push your QB 2 yards.

Just don't blow out your knee cap.

BWillie 05-28-2023 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Holladay (Post 16962397)
I guess it depends on how much your team is a power running team and short yardage.

Though, just look at the Eagles on short yardage. Just play rugby and push your QB 2 yards.

Just don't blow out your knee cap.

Yeah we don't do that. That's why we are the worst team in short yardage. Refusal to do QB sneak.

T-post Tom 05-28-2023 09:12 PM

Too fat. :hmmm:

dlphg9 05-28-2023 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 16962412)
Yeah we don't do that. That's why we are the worst team in short yardage. Refusal to do QB sneak.

No it's not. Last year there was a 275% increase in utilization of the QB sneak. There was 291 QB sneaks in 272 regular season games, so a little over 1 a game. That's not why we were so bad at 3rd and short.

BWillie 05-28-2023 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 16962426)
No it's not. Last year there was a 275% increase in utilization of the QB sneak. There was 291 QB sneaks in 272 regular season games, so a little over 1 a game. That's not why we were so bad at 3rd and short.

How many QB sneaks did we run with our QB1?

ThyKingdomCome15 05-28-2023 10:14 PM

Sounds pretty lethal honestly. :D

cdcox 05-28-2023 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 16962412)
Yeah we don't do that. That's why we are the worst team in short yardage. Refusal to do QB sneak.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 16962432)
How many QB sneaks did we run with our QB1?


Your argument isn’t logical. Before you can blame our poor third-and-short conversion rate on refusal to run QB sneaks you need two additional steps. First you need to demonstrate that QB sneaks are more effective than non-QB sneaks in converting 3rd and short. Second, you need to demonstrate that the Chiefs are as effective as the rest of the NFL in converting third and short on non-sneak plays as the rest of the NFL.

I don’t doubt the effectiveness of the QB sneak. I do doubt the effectiveness of our offense to move the pile on any third and short play.

kjwood75nro 05-29-2023 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 16962491)
Your argument isn’t logical. Before you can blame our poor third-and-short conversion rate on refusal to run QB sneaks you need two additional steps. First you need to demonstrate that QB sneaks are more effective than non-QB sneaks in converting 3rd and short. Second, you need to demonstrate that the Chiefs are as effective as the rest of the NFL in converting third and short on non-sneak plays as the rest of the NFL.

I don’t doubt the effectiveness of the QB sneak. I do doubt the effectiveness of our offense to move the pile on any third and short play.

I'd like to think that the strength of our front line, the IOL, could effectively convert QB sneaks.

Problem is, all the other teams know that we don't do QB sneaks, so they can plan around it to their advantage.

It's a weakness that's being exploited, no different than daring a pass-heavy offense to run, or vice versa.

Rasputin 05-29-2023 01:09 AM

Kris Bigfoot Wilson was a TE/FB hybrid

JimNasium 05-29-2023 06:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rasputin (Post 16962508)
Kris Bigfoot Wilson was a TE/FB hybrid

I’m still waiting on him to emerge….

Rausch 05-29-2023 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimNasium (Post 16962539)
I’m still waiting on him to emerge….

Grey was touted draft day as a possible H or move TE/Back. It appears he's finally to the point they feel comfortable playing that role.

I look at his occasional contributions year 1 as unimpressive. Year 2 there was a moment here or there I assumed Kelcee had made a catch. That ain't bad if here or there you can look a bit like one of the greatest to ever do it.

I think he's got the ability to be a solid TE/H for us. Not Kelcee - but solid. A positive contribution.

KCUnited 05-29-2023 07:54 AM

Very recently Gray has started to remind me a bit of Mike Alstott meets Kris Wilson

Bowser 05-29-2023 08:48 AM

MOAR

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oldman 05-29-2023 01:12 PM

I'm a fan of 3 TE sets. While 6'3", 240 lbs. doesn't scream FB, he can sure be in motion as a H-back. He's a better blocker than many give him credit for.

scho63 05-29-2023 01:19 PM

I really thought he was going to be our **** Buddy.

What a disappointment.

Easy 6 05-29-2023 01:26 PM

Moving away from fullbacks just makes sense with the modern game, it gives you a multi-dimensional player instead of a one trick pony

Gray on screens and wheel routes?

I'm down with that

Dunerdr 05-29-2023 08:06 PM

Using Gray like San Fran uses their full back makes sense.

AdolfOliverBush 05-30-2023 08:46 AM

FBs are now obsolete, but KC had two of the best ever in TRich and Kimble Anders.

Hammock Parties 05-30-2023 08:50 AM

patrick's about to break the TD record and everyone will complain 7 of them were passes inside the 3-yard line to gray

-King- 05-30-2023 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 16962491)
Your argument isn’t logical. Before you can blame our poor third-and-short conversion rate on refusal to run QB sneaks you need two additional steps. First you need to demonstrate that QB sneaks are more effective than non-QB sneaks in converting 3rd and short. Second, you need to demonstrate that the Chiefs are as effective as the rest of the NFL in converting third and short on non-sneak plays as the rest of the NFL.

I don’t doubt the effectiveness of the QB sneak. I do doubt the effectiveness of our offense to move the pile on any third and short play.

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Hammock Parties 05-30-2023 09:55 AM

I think this will expand Andy's use of using an alternate position to execute QB sneaks, too.

In fact, you might see them fake the QB sneak and attempt a pass out of it now.

The big wrinkle will be, instead of the tight end coming in motion across the formation, the fullback will come up from his FB position in the I or Offset I, which isn't a card we've played before, will be less obvious the first few times it happens and gives the defense less time to anticipate and react to a potential sneak.

Gonna be a fun season.

Chiefshrink 05-30-2023 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldman (Post 16962763)
I'm a fan of 3 TE sets. While 6'3", 240 lbs. doesn't scream FB, he can sure be in motion as a H-back. He's a better blocker than many give him credit for.

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