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siberian khatru 08-31-2023 10:23 AM

TJ Hockenson sets the TE market
 
Kelce the next holdout? /Deberg

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Update: TJ Hockenson is going to become the highest paid TE in NFL history, signing a 4-year, $68.5M extension, per <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AdamSchefter</a>. The $17.1M average per year sets a new bar for TEs.<br><br>A monster deal and something that all TEs around the NFL have been waiting for: A market-reset. <a href="https://t.co/QJflLRkDXU">https://t.co/QJflLRkDXU</a></p>&mdash; Ari Meirov (@MySportsUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1697278097458938234?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 31, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

AussieChiefsFan 08-31-2023 10:27 AM

Doesn't seem like a particularly large jump? https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...8ba2a67fa8.jpg

RockChalk 08-31-2023 10:27 AM

I mean he's good. But he's not the best.

I watch every Vikings game because my wife is a huge fan. Dude could not hold Kelce's jockstrap and I'd argue that Kittle (when healthy) and Andrews are better.

jjchieffan 08-31-2023 10:28 AM

Market resetting? Uh, he got $17.1M per year. Waller is getting $17M. Kittle is 3rd at. $15M. If anyone reset the market it would have been Waller.

loochy 08-31-2023 10:30 AM

every position can't keep getting reset. There's not enough money in the cap.

AdolfOliverBush 08-31-2023 10:30 AM

It doesn't matter as long as Cousins is the QB. He's their ceiling.

Indian Chief 08-31-2023 10:31 AM

Looks like quite a few teams paying big money to mediocre TEs.

RockChalk 08-31-2023 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush (Post 17081600)
It doesn't matter as long as Cousins is the QB. He's their ceiling.

Dude is a Top 10 QB. He's just not Mahomes, nobody is.

Mecca 08-31-2023 10:36 AM

The Vikings are so weird...

They have massive cap problems, they have to pay Jefferson, everything is positioned for them to move on from Cousins and go into a serious rebuild. The defense is also really really bad and needs a total overhaul..

And then they do this, I don't get it.

AdolfOliverBush 08-31-2023 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockChalk (Post 17081608)
Dude is a Top 10 QB. He's just not Mahomes, nobody is.

He's interchangeable with guys like Garoppolo and Carr. They are all rev limiters for their teams.

RealSNR 08-31-2023 10:38 AM

Lol that Njoku contract.

I would call it embarrassing, but it pales in comparison to the 3-4 other circus antics going on with that organization currently.

Mecca 08-31-2023 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush (Post 17081614)
He's interchangeable with guys like Garoppolo and Carr. They are all rev limiters for their teams.

Cousins is better than them just because he never gets hurt and isn't pouty.

He takes a ton of shits behind a bad line and still gets the job done.

lawrenceRaider 08-31-2023 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush (Post 17081614)
He's interchangeable with guys like Garoppolo and Carr. They are all rev limiters for their teams.

Cousins and Carr are definitely the same dude.

JimmyG is a step behind.

jjchieffan 08-31-2023 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17081613)
The Vikings are so weird...

They have massive cap problems, they have to pay Jefferson, everything is positioned for them to move on from Cousins and go into a serious rebuild. The defense is also really really bad and needs a total overhaul..

And then they do this, I don't get it.

Well, everyone has always said that a good tight end is a young quarterback's best friend. He's young, so he can be a good weapon to help a young quarterback grow. I know that he's no Kelce. But Kelce was certainly a huge help for Mahomes development.

Hoover 08-31-2023 10:42 AM

Those Hawkeye TEs!

Waller is the one who doesn't deserve getting paid, TJ is legit and frankly worth that kind of $ IMO. Now, I agree, he doesn't come close to Kelce, but nobody does.

Mecca 08-31-2023 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 17081630)
Well, everyone has always said that a good tight end is a young quarterback's best friend. He's young, so he can be a good weapon to help a young quarterback grow. I know that he's no Kelce. But Kelce was certainly a huge help for Mahomes development.

It's just hard for me to grasp the idea of setting the market at TE and WR within a year of each other.

RealSNR 08-31-2023 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17081619)
Cousins is better than them just because he never gets hurt and isn't pouty.

He takes a ton of shits behind a bad line and still gets the job done.

That's the thing. Jimmy G does his Jimmy G thing when he's healthy and everything is going right around him, but I've never really seen him mask deficiencies on his team. Some starter on the OL is hurt? Too many injuries at WR? He turns to dog shit.

Kirk has NEVER had a complete OL in Minnesota. There's either been weaknesses at the interior or weaknesses at tackle. If Darrisaw stays healthy, this might be the first year he has an actual reliable OL to work with. I'll betcha this will end up being the best season he's had in his career.

Mecca 08-31-2023 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 17081635)
Those Hawkeye TEs!

Waller is the one who doesn't deserve getting paid, TJ is legit and frankly worth that kind of $ IMO. Now, I agree, he doesn't come close to Kelce, but nobody does.

Everyone is gonna think Waller is ****ing great now, he is going to get by far the most targets in New Yorks offense.

Jewish Rabbi 08-31-2023 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 17081594)
Market resetting? Uh, he got $17.1M per year. Waller is getting $17M. Kittle is 3rd at. $15M. If anyone reset the market it would have been Waller.

When did they reset how old the earth is

Rainbarrel 08-31-2023 10:45 AM

I would say it's because he has to wear purple. But I don't want to state bait

Red Dawg 08-31-2023 10:47 AM

Stupid ass deal. He doesn't do hardly shit for them.

AdolfOliverBush 08-31-2023 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17081619)
Cousins is better than them just because he never gets hurt and isn't pouty.

He takes a ton of shits behind a bad line and still gets the job done.

Yes, if the job is "watching big games from your couch".

Cousins hasn't proven he's any better than the rest of the mediocre-tier QBs.

wazu 08-31-2023 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush (Post 17081659)
Yes, if the job is "watching big games from your couch".

Cousins hasn't proven he's any better than the rest of the mediocre-tier QBs.

He's basically Top 10 every year. 22+ teams would be upgraded by having him instead of whomever they currently have. And he's nowhere near the tier of Garoppolo.

lewdog 08-31-2023 11:03 AM

The Vikings will remain with zero Super Bowl wins!

tredadda 08-31-2023 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17081613)
The Vikings are so weird...

They have massive cap problems, they have to pay Jefferson, everything is positioned for them to move on from Cousins and go into a serious rebuild. The defense is also really really bad and needs a total overhaul..

And then they do this, I don't get it.

Perhaps have a reliable TE and elite WR for when they break in a new QB on a rookie contract?

Hoover 08-31-2023 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17081637)
It's just hard for me to grasp the idea of setting the market at TE and WR within a year of each other.

Why? Would it have been stupid to pay Hill and Kelce? I know that's water under the bridge, but you can pay a TE and a WR. It.s not the the Vikings are paying huge money to another offensive weapon besides their QB. Hell do they even have a stud defensive player they need to take care of?

jjchieffan 08-31-2023 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17081637)
It's just hard for me to grasp the idea of setting the market at TE and WR within a year of each other.

Yeah. I get that. But, if they do end up going with a quarterback on a rookie deal, they should be able to afford it.

O.city 08-31-2023 11:10 AM

This was set in stone the minute they traded for him.

Mecca 08-31-2023 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 17081717)
Why? Would it have been stupid to pay Hill and Kelce? I know that's water under the bridge, but you can pay a TE and a WR. It.s not the the Vikings are paying huge money to another offensive weapon besides their QB. Hell do they even have a stud defensive player they need to take care of?

They need an entire new defense...and they hired a DC that needs some high dollar players to make his scheme work.

DJ's left nut 08-31-2023 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17081742)
They need an entire new defense...and they hired a DC that needs some high dollar players to make his scheme work.

Well....at least their STs coach doesn't need 6 'ST Aces' to cover a punt worth a shit.

So I guess they've got that going for them...

CasselGotPeedOn 08-31-2023 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AussieChiefsFan (Post 17081588)
Doesn't seem like a particularly large jump? https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...8ba2a67fa8.jpg

Who's that ugly girl at the end?

Wisconsin_Chief 08-31-2023 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CasselGotPeedOn (Post 17081760)
Who's that ugly girl at the end?

I think it's Lizzo.

ptlyon 08-31-2023 11:27 AM

Ok, I laughed hard at that

Jewish Rabbi 08-31-2023 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief (Post 17081772)
I think it's Lizzo.

Why men great ‘til they gotta be great?

Megatron96 08-31-2023 12:01 PM

Really, we're just lucky Travis isn't greedy. He's easily worth $20 million/yr. Probably more. If he demanded what he was worth every time his contract came up, he might not even be a Chief right now.

Kittle's worth more than all those other TEs not named Travis Kelce.

morphius 08-31-2023 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17081858)
Really, we're just lucky Travis isn't greedy. He's easily worth $20 million/yr. Probably more. If he demanded what he was worth every time his contract came up, he might not even be a Chief right now.

Kittle's worth more than all those other TEs not named Travis Kelce.

I keep hopping that Mahomes has him in ad campaigns so he can pull a bit more extra money off the field.

RockChalk 08-31-2023 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17081858)
Kittle's worth more than all those other TEs not named Travis Kelce.

When he's healthy.

ptlyon 08-31-2023 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by morphius (Post 17081863)
I keep hopping that Mahomes has him in ad campaigns so he can pull a bit more extra money off the field.

Sent that tweet to some of my friends. One responded that Kelce is gonna be pissed. Told him no, Kelce is making other big endorsements, not kupp Chevrolet commercials and has two rings, which hockensen will never see.

Megatron96 08-31-2023 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockChalk (Post 17081872)
When he's healthy.



Lol, well that's a given for any player, yes?

Megatron96 08-31-2023 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by morphius (Post 17081863)
I keep hopping that Mahomes has him in ad campaigns so he can pull a bit more extra money off the field.



Honestly, I think Travis is just a weirdo, in that I don't think he's terribly concerned with being paid top dollar. The whole "respect" aspect of how big his contract is just doesn't seem to be on his radar. For which I'm very grateful.

Marcellus 08-31-2023 12:29 PM

2nd half of the year I believe the only TE with more yards than him was Kelce. He blew up in Minnesota.

RealSNR 08-31-2023 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17081879)
Lol, well that's a given for any player, yes?

He's the Kadarius Toney of TEs

WilliamTheIrish 08-31-2023 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 17081644)
When did they reset how old the earth is

No matter the thread, the situation, the score, these never get old. LMAO

T-post Tom 08-31-2023 12:36 PM

Well, Mike Florio has the script for two weeks worth of his schtick. His fingers are probably bleeding and blistering right now as he rapidly attacks his keyboard down in his mother’s basement. Can’t wait to hear his determination that Kelce is grossly underpaid and the Chiefs will have to give him a new contract before the new season ends.
:shake:

Megatron96 08-31-2023 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 17081905)
He's the Kadarius Toney of TEs



Hmm. ESPN says that he's played in at least 14 games per season every season of his career, except one, in 2020.

RealSNR 08-31-2023 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17081941)
Hmm. ESPN says that he's played in at least 14 games per season every season of his career, except one, in 2020.

He's missing 2-3 games per year?

That's not that great.

Chief Pagan 08-31-2023 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T-post Tom (Post 17081914)
Well, Mike Florio has the script for two weeks worth of his schtick. His fingers are probably bleeding and blistering right now as he rapidly attacks his keyboard down in his mother’s basement. Can’t wait to hear his determination that Kelce is grossly underpaid and the Chiefs will have to give him a new contract before the new season ends.
:shake:

Re Kelce…

He is grossly underpaid

Megatron96 08-31-2023 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 17081945)
He's missing 2-3 games per year?

That's not that great.



Toney's already missed 15 games in just two seasons. Imo, 2-3 games/season doesn't equal 8+ games/season. But that's me.

RealSNR 08-31-2023 12:59 PM

I swear Florio probably honestly believes Veach needs to have an anal implant that will shock him every time a QB or TE signs a contract so he can offer Mahomes and Kelce more money.

The best player at a given position rarely has the highest contract number. But Florio can't get that through his fat skull

PHOG 08-31-2023 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 17081962)
I swear Florio probably honestly believes Veach needs to have an anal implant that will shock him every time a QB or TE signs a contract so he can offer Mahomes and Kelce more money.

The best player at a given position rarely has the highest contract number. But Florio can't get that through his fat skull



Oh, it's getting through his skull, there's just nothing there to receive it.

MarkDavis'Haircut 08-31-2023 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wazu (Post 17081692)
He's basically Top 10 every year. 22+ teams would be upgraded by having him instead of whomever they currently have. And he's nowhere near the tier of Garoppolo.

He doesn't get football.

NFL fans like to act that any QB outside the top 5 is garbage. Which is asinine. Cousins is a clear upgrade for most teams. He is not Mahomes. No one else is.

Bowser 08-31-2023 04:04 PM

Hockenson should give 15% of his signing bonus to Justin Jefferson.

BitterSyd 08-31-2023 04:22 PM

He's a POS and we roasted Minny in the trade. His YAC is a joke and got a huge contract for it. I love Kwesi, he's their Quintricia or Millen.

DJ's left nut 08-31-2023 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkDavis'Haircut (Post 17082105)
He doesn't get football.

NFL fans like to act that any QB outside the top 5 is garbage. Which is asinine. Cousins is a clear upgrade for most teams. He is not Mahomes. No one else is.

If we had Cousins instead of Mahomes we would WORSHIP the guy.

He'd be the 2nd best quarterback in franchise history.

Calling Cousins some bucket of shit is silly. Oh he's cornball as **** and fun to make fun of - I will continue to do that. But that guys a heck of a QB.

siberian khatru 08-31-2023 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17082293)
If we had Cousins instead of Mahomes we would WORSHIP the guy.

Yeah, because he’s white. /jettio

redfan 08-31-2023 04:29 PM

Hockenson
 
Wasn't there a sped poster that used to say Hokkkkkkkkk,,,,,,
?

All I got

Otter 08-31-2023 05:00 PM

I gotta admit, I'd be pretty happy with my lot in life being paid $14 million a season to play sports, stay in shape, work out, and win super bowls.

Seems like a pretty sweet gig to me.

Hammock Parties 08-31-2023 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17082293)
If we had Cousins instead of Mahomes we would WORSHIP the guy.

He'd be the 2nd best quarterback in franchise history.

Calling Cousins some bucket of shit is silly. Oh he's cornball as **** and fun to make fun of - I will continue to do that. But that guys a heck of a QB.

Kirk Cousins, the best possible version of the game manager.

RealSNR 08-31-2023 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redfan (Post 17082301)
Wasn't there a sped poster that used to say Hokkkkkkkkk,,,,,,
?

All I got


skinbra

DJ's left nut 08-31-2023 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17082365)
Kirk Cousins, the best possible version of the game manager.

I was about to call him a poor man's Bledsoe but I don't think that's fair.

He will probably have a better career than Bledsoe when it's all said and done.


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