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WilliamTheIrish 12-05-2023 06:10 PM

NCAA NIL Proposal ( and more)
 
This might be the next conference realignment thread.

https://theathletic.com/5114092/2023...charlie-baker/



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NCAA president Charlie Baker on Tuesday proposed the creation of a new subdivision within Division I that would allow the highest-resource schools the ability to compensate athletes directly through a trust fund and direct name, image and likeness (NIL) payments.

The groundbreaking proposal was sent out to Division I members and obtained by The Athletic on Tuesday morning, and it included the following recommendations:

The formation of a new subdivision made up of institutions with the highest resources that can directly compensate athletes through an “enhanced educational trust fund,” which requires the schools that opt into it an investment of at least $30,000 per year per athlete for at least half of the school’s eligible athletes. Schools would have to adhere to

Title IX, providing equal monetary opportunities to both female and male athletes.

Schools in the new subdivision could create their own rules separate from the rest of D-I, and those rules would allow them the ability to address policies such as scholarship limits and roster size as well as transfers and NIL.

Any Division I school would be able to enter into an NIL deal with its athletes directly, which is not currently permissible.

Any Division I school would be able to distribute to any athlete funding related to educational benefits without any caps on such compensation.

These recommendations from Baker come amid mounting pressure to allow schools to directly compensate their athletes, and as the NCAA is facing significant legal challenges to its model. In the letter to D-I members, Baker calls his proposal a “forward-looking framework” that “gives the educational institutions with the most visibility, the most financial resources and the biggest brands an opportunity to choose to operate with a different set of rules that more accurately reflect their scale and their operating model.”


Pasta Little Brioni 12-05-2023 06:13 PM

College sports are pure shit. "Allows high resources schools to do special things", basically even greater disparity....

Titty Meat 12-05-2023 06:17 PM

How do you feel about Nebraska reaching out to Honda McCord William?

WilliamTheIrish 12-05-2023 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 17262890)
How do you feel about Nebraska reaching out to Honda McCord William?

Who is Honda McCord?

Titty Meat 12-05-2023 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish (Post 17262891)
Who is Honda McCord?

The OSU QB

Chief Pagan 12-05-2023 06:22 PM

investment of at least $30,000 per year per athlete for at least half of the school’s eligible athletes

Sounds like a reason to reason to start dropping athletic programs.

WilliamTheIrish 12-05-2023 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brother (Post 17262887)
College sports are pure shit. "Allows high resources schools to do special things", basically even greater disparity....

Obviously, nothing is final, but I’d be very interested in how this would work for teams without a few T. Boone Pickens in their pockets?

WilliamTheIrish 12-05-2023 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 17262893)
The OSU QB

I think that’s probably a good idea for Nebraska. Bad idea for McCord.

Pitt Gorilla 12-05-2023 06:27 PM

The Title IX requirement might make it a harder sell.

notorious 12-05-2023 07:04 PM

Requiring 30k will make the rich even richer.

Buehler445 12-05-2023 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Pagan (Post 17262894)
investment of at least $30,000 per year per athlete for at least half of the school’s eligible athletes

Sounds like a reason to reason to start dropping athletic programs.

Yep. Suddenly Ole Miss has football, volleyball, women's soccer, and women's golf.

Bump 12-05-2023 08:52 PM

just create a freaking farm league and let the NCAA eat shit

DJ's left nut 12-05-2023 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bump (Post 17263038)
just create a freaking farm league and let the NCAA eat shit

I'd be okay with this.

Take the top 250 'college' athletes out of the pool every year and send 'em to NFL AAA.

And let amateur athletics get back to amateurism.

Because this is just so gross. Y'all see all these tweets and basically fundraising calls to fans? "If you want us to be good, donate to X so we can go buy some players..."

That just sucks so hard.

dlphg9 12-05-2023 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17263051)
I'd be okay with this.

Take the top 250 'college' athletes out of the pool every year and send 'em to NFL AAA.

And let amateur athletics get back to amateurism.

Because this is just so gross. Y'all see all these tweets and basically fundraising calls to fans? "If you want us to be good, donate to X so we can go buy some players..."

That just sucks so hard.

Yeah asking the fans to donate is pretty gross. Considering most schools have rich donors that could easily afford to cover the payment. As if these shit head universities aren't getting enough from tuition, ticket prices, donors, and everything else they like to charge for.

FloridaMan88 12-05-2023 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brother (Post 17262887)
College sports are pure shit. "Allows high resources schools to do special things", basically even greater disparity....

This has been going on forever… now it will just be legal.

ghak99 12-05-2023 09:55 PM

I'm having a hard time enjoying the direction college football is headed. No one cares about a mercenary, you use them until the job is done or they fall off the line. A large percentage of players still need developed over time and a system of essentially being able to hire, fire, and poach them from other programs at will is not going to be good for a lot of these kids.

... and **** these letters essentially asking alumni for NIL donations. We were already getting several fundraising/donation letters a year and now they want us to fund the players too? **** off with that shit.

I did buy some of the football cards that send a percentage of the money to the kids' pockets through an NIL deal. Interesting concept. Shit cards. I now have an on card auto that will probably be worthless forever and a stack of cardboard I should just use to start the fireplace with.

Titty Meat 12-05-2023 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ghak99 (Post 17263090)
I'm having a hard time enjoying the direction college football is headed. No one cares about a mercenary, you use them until the job is done or they fall off the line. A large percentage of players still need developed over time and a system of essentially being able to hire, fire, and poach them from other programs at will is not going to be good for a lot of these kids.

... and **** these letters essentially asking alumni for NIL donations. We were already getting several fundraising/donation letters a year and now they want us to fund the players too? **** off with that shit.

I did buy some of the football cards that send a percentage of the money to the kids' pockets through an NIL deal. Interesting concept. Shit cards. I now have an on card auto that will probably be worthless forever and a stack of cardboard I should just use to start the fireplace with.

The regular season has been amazing the past few years the playoffs are actually interesting. NIL actually gives more programs a chance to be competitive. The biggest knock is thousands of kids enter the portal but not all of them come out better the supply outweighs the demand. There does need to be some structure.

Flying High D 12-05-2023 10:17 PM

I know an individual that tutored a DE. The perks and benefits that DE was receiving was sickening. Hard to look at sports the same.

BigRedChief 12-05-2023 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brother (Post 17262887)
College sports are pure shit. "Allows high resources schools to do special things", basically even greater disparity....

you can’t stop it. That train has left the building. These super conferences run everything from now on.

Because if they don’t, those conferences will start their own version of the NCAA. All the TV and cable money would go with them and the gap between the schools and conferences will widen even more.

emaw1979 12-05-2023 11:04 PM

I've stopped following college sports outside of KSU football games and don't even follow them like I used to. It's sickening.

Demonpenz 12-06-2023 03:29 AM

Do whatever they want I just want some heat seeking hits crushing each other like animals then go back about my day

DrunkBassGuitar 12-06-2023 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 17262890)
How do you feel about Nebraska reaching out to Honda McCord William?

Was Kia Morrento not available?

ghak99 12-06-2023 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 17263100)
The regular season has been amazing the past few years the playoffs are actually interesting. NIL actually gives more programs a chance to be competitive. The biggest knock is thousands of kids enter the portal but not all of them come out better the supply outweighs the demand. There does need to be some structure.

I haven't had a problem with the quality of games and would prefer an even bigger playoff. It could have been very interesting this year with the extra teams in it.

I just no longer care about the players. They're now here today and gone tomorrow. With no loyalty flowing either way there's just no ****s to give. The reactions to injuries is going to be even more interesting. None of this is what college athletics are supposed to be about and I'm not sure it's a positive for anyone in the long term.

We're going to see the affects of this stuff show up in the NFL.

BWillie 12-06-2023 11:08 AM

I am souring more and more on college sports. Bleeding hearts have ruined it. Never going to be like it was.

WilliamTheIrish 12-06-2023 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Bump (Post 17263038)
just create a freaking farm league and let the NCAA eat shit

KSU football paid/brought to you by Farmland and IH/CASE! The patches on the uniforms will look nice.

DJ's left nut 12-06-2023 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 17263100)
The regular season has been amazing the past few years the playoffs are actually interesting. NIL actually gives more programs a chance to be competitive. The biggest knock is thousands of kids enter the portal but not all of them come out better the supply outweighs the demand. There does need to be some structure.

Exactly.

Throwing open the gates and turning it into the Wild West is somehow the most irresponsible thing the NCAA has ever done. That's an INCREDIBLY high bar folks.

yet here we are.

GloucesterChief 12-06-2023 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17264215)
Exactly.

Throwing open the gates and turning it into the Wild West is somehow the most irresponsible thing the NCAA has ever done. That's an INCREDIBLY high bar folks.

yet here we are.

It wasn't the NCAA. It was the Supreme Court, who basically said if the NCAA tries to put any restrictions on NIL they will get sued and lose.

duncan_idaho 12-06-2023 09:45 PM

I think that proposal is dead in the water because of the Title IX component.

You can get people to kick in and buy shit for the star recruits/players of a football team or men’s basketball team (at the right places).

For a women’s soccer player or basketball player or a cross country athlete, that’s a much tougher sell.

BigRedChief 12-06-2023 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17264354)
I think that proposal is dead in the water because of the Title IX component.

You can get people to kick in and buy shit for the star recruits/players of a football team or men’s basketball team (at the right places).

For a women’s soccer player or basketball player or a cross country athlete, that’s a much tougher sell.

As it should be a tough sell. Those men basketball and football players bring in the money to the university. They deserve some of that money. Cross country athlete programs cost money. Why should they get any money?

Titty Meat 12-06-2023 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17264215)
Exactly.

Throwing open the gates and turning it into the Wild West is somehow the most irresponsible thing the NCAA has ever done. That's an INCREDIBLY high bar folks.

yet here we are.

At the same time you look at a school like Colorado yes they suck but that was a program dead in the water the portal & Deion made for some of the most entertaining ball week in and week out. I've never watched as much Colorado football in my life.

Then you have a school like yours. I don't think MU was ever a serious playoff contender pre NIL. Now? I think you can make a pretty strong case we see them in the 12 team playoff team next year.

Then you have your programs like a Nebraska. Not a chance without the portal that team doesn't contend for a bowl next year with the shape it was left in by consecutive awful coaching hires. A good QB addition in the portal and they will be a very competitive team next year.

Then you have schools like Boise St or whoever which to be honest I never gave a shit about and yeah they are ****ed but I never cared for those Kellen Moore era teams. Yeah cute story they beat up on teams in a shit division and got lucky in some bowl games whatever

duncan_idaho 12-07-2023 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 17264361)
As it should be a tough sell. Those men basketball and football players bring in the money to the university. They deserve some of that money. Cross country athlete programs cost money. Why should they get any money?

Yeah, it's a constant question and frustration.

When I was at Mizzou, I dated a member of the gymnastics team. She complained a lot about the gym times they got, and meal times, and how football and men's hoops got whatever they wanted.

I didn't say anything. (I was an idiot back then, but I wasn't THAT big an idiot).

But I thought about her when I saw the stuff from the Oregon athletes suing about uneven NIL division last week. She's not the only female college athlete I've talked to who complained about what football and men's hoops get vs. female athletes or non-revenue athletes (just the only one I know... intimately), so I think there are some who either don't care or don't realize that their sport only exists because those athletes play sports that generate interest and revenue for everyone else.

BigRedChief 12-07-2023 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17264631)
When I was at Mizzou, I dated a member of the gymnastics team. She complained a lot about the gym times they got, and meal times, and how football and men's hoops got whatever they wanted.

Dated a gymnast? OHHH please tell us more. Were the nights really fun....;)

DJ's left nut 12-07-2023 10:36 AM

"I dated a college gymnast and told her to stop complaining..."

Yeah - I don't figure anyone is THAT stupid.

duncan_idaho 12-07-2023 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 17264674)
Dated a gymnast? OHHH please tell us more. Were the nights really fun....;)

No complaints here. We had a good time. She was about a year out from retirement and the hormones her training had previously suppressed came out with a bang. Added 2 cup sizes and the posterior was full and could have a quarter bounced off of it.

It was fun, but ultimately a bullet dodged (with some nice things filed away for the occasional daydream).

Garcia Bronco 12-07-2023 12:50 PM

If there's another league then the NFL could start relegating the bottom four teams in the league to the lower league each year and bring the top four teams from the lower league into the NFL.

FloridaMan88 12-07-2023 01:00 PM

Game changer if this happens… the NFL would definitely start taking notice…

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Marvin Harrison Jr. has reportedly been offered NIL deals that would “compete” with what he would receive as a first-round draft pick.<br><br>For reference, a Top-5 pick (which Harrison would be) makes anywhere between $20-$25 million in total cash as a rookie.<br><br>This also doesn’t… <a href="https://t.co/CkUL5k7e7I">pic.twitter.com/CkUL5k7e7I</a></p>&mdash; NFL Rookie Watch (@NFLRookieWatxh) <a href="https://twitter.com/NFLRookieWatxh/status/1732817288208756824?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 7, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

ghak99 12-07-2023 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17264631)
Yeah, it's a constant question and frustration.

When I was at Mizzou, I dated a member of the gymnastics team. She complained a lot about the gym times they got, and meal times, and how football and men's hoops got whatever they wanted.

I didn't say anything. (I was an idiot back then, but I wasn't THAT big an idiot).

But I thought about her when I saw the stuff from the Oregon athletes suing about uneven NIL division last week. She's not the only female college athlete I've talked to who complained about what football and men's hoops get vs. female athletes or non-revenue athletes (just the only one I know... intimately), so I think there are some who either don't care or don't realize that their sport only exists because those athletes play sports that generate interest and revenue for everyone else.

This stuff is going to blow up even more now that conference realignment has many of the the sports that are a big net loss flying half way across the country every other week. They're going to have a whole list of stuff to complain about. I wouldn't even be surprised if a lot of the smaller sports programs get dropped all together because of the hassle, while losing money.

BWillie 12-07-2023 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 17264889)
Game changer if this happens… the NFL would definitely start taking notice…

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Marvin Harrison Jr. has reportedly been offered NIL deals that would “compete” with what he would receive as a first-round draft pick.<br><br>For reference, a Top-5 pick (which Harrison would be) makes anywhere between $20-$25 million in total cash as a rookie.<br><br>This also doesn’t… <a href="https://t.co/CkUL5k7e7I">pic.twitter.com/CkUL5k7e7I</a></p>&mdash; NFL Rookie Watch (@NFLRookieWatxh) <a href="https://twitter.com/NFLRookieWatxh/status/1732817288208756824?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 7, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Yeah right. Nobody paying a college WR near that much

Titty Meat 12-07-2023 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 17264941)
Yeah right. Nobody paying a college WR near that much

A&M is paying a coach 77 mil to sit on a couch

BigRedChief 12-07-2023 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17264709)
No complaints here. We had a good time. She was about a year out from retirement and the hormones her training had previously suppressed came out with a bang. Added 2 cup sizes and the posterior was full and could have a quarter bounced off of it.

It was fun, but ultimately a bullet dodged (with some nice things filed away for the occasional daydream).

Sounds like a great college experience. :D


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