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Stewie 01-17-2024 07:33 PM

Cowboys keep McCarthy...
 
Per Schefter...

This just in: Dallas is not making a head-coaching change and Cowboys’ HC Mike McCarthy is returning for the 2024 season, per sources.

493rd 01-17-2024 07:35 PM

The rest of the NFC East says thanks!

DRM08 01-17-2024 07:36 PM

Lol

TribalElder 01-17-2024 07:37 PM

regular season champs

Pepe Silvia 01-17-2024 07:39 PM

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Buehler445 01-17-2024 07:39 PM

No way. LOL

DJJasonp 01-17-2024 07:40 PM

unreal.

Talk about continually falling upward!

DRM08 01-17-2024 07:42 PM

No way in hell the Eagles are keeping their dipshit guy

smithandrew051 01-17-2024 07:54 PM

Andy Reid is a better coach than Mike McCarthy imo

Bob Dole 01-17-2024 07:54 PM

They were winning the Super Bowl 8 weeks ago. Why would you fire that guy?

Bob Dole 01-17-2024 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17344014)
Andy Reid is a better coach than Mike McCarthy imo

You’re really putting yourself out there, buddy.

TribalElder 01-17-2024 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 17344008)
No way in hell the Eagles are keeping their dipshit guy

I think they are, saw earlier where Sirianni and Howie were calling around inquiring about potential coaching staff additions ROFL

Kman34 01-17-2024 07:59 PM

Suckers... They won't win shit..

Raiderhater 01-17-2024 08:04 PM

Jerry must be getting soft in his old age.

stumppy 01-17-2024 08:05 PM

Excellent...eexxxxxxxcelent.

PHOG 01-17-2024 08:05 PM

RIP Dallas

IowaHawkeyeChief 01-17-2024 08:08 PM

Hopefully the Bills keep McDermott again after we beat them on Sunday...

tredadda 01-17-2024 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TribalElder (Post 17344019)
I think they are, saw earlier where Sirianni and Howie were calling around inquiring about potential coaching staff additions ROFL

Unfortunately for Sirianni Arizona is retaining Gannon and Indy is retaining Steichen.

Red Dawg 01-17-2024 08:13 PM

Whole division looks like crap.

Sassy Squatch 01-17-2024 08:15 PM

From what I've seen they definitely are.

FlaChief58 01-17-2024 08:16 PM

Next year is their year!

Rainbarrel 01-17-2024 08:16 PM

So Jack Del Rio has a chance

kstater 01-17-2024 08:16 PM

The definition of insanity...

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Eleazar 01-17-2024 08:17 PM

The QB change is more needful, but they don't seem to have the guts for either one

Fishels 01-17-2024 08:19 PM

McCarthy probably has a sex tape. He knew it would come to this.

DJ's left nut 01-17-2024 08:19 PM

Here's what I don't get about these decisions - this is one of 32 such jobs in the world. They're highly coveted and highly competitive.

I don't need a reason to fire you. I need a reason not to.

Far too many of these owners seem to need a reason to fire these guys without considering the fact that there's really no reason at all to retain them. Why did the Bears keep Eberflus? The Boys McCarthy? Pure inertia.

Every single season these owners should enter the off-season saying "I need a reason NOT to fire this guy" and if they can't come up with one, move on.

tk13 01-17-2024 08:23 PM

Have to think that means Jerry didn't want to give up GM duties to Belichick.

BigRedChief 01-17-2024 08:26 PM

Why can’t we play them next year?

GloucesterChief 01-17-2024 08:32 PM

How about dem playoff chokes?

siberian khatru 01-17-2024 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raiderhater (Post 17344029)
Jerry must be getting soft in his old age.

Which is amazing considering he eats Viagra like it was M&Ms

BigRedChief 01-17-2024 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17344057)
Here's what I don't get about these decisions - this is one of 32 such jobs in the world. They're highly coveted and highly competitive.

I don't need a reason to fire you. I need a reason not to.

Far too many of these owners seem to need a reason to fire these guys without considering the fact that there's really no reason at all to retain them. Why did the Bears keep Eberflus? The Boys McCarthy? Pure inertia.

Every single season these owners should enter the off-season saying "I need a reason NOT to fire this guy" and if they can't come up with one, move on.

Our org was like that. How many wasted years did we endure until they hired Andy?

And then we get to the playoffs, a rare event, a QB with good numbers, liked in the locker room and we spent draft capital in a QB. They realized if we wanted to win a SB, Smith wouldn’t get us there.

That coach and QB of the Cowboys have a 1% chance of this working out.

BigRedChief 01-17-2024 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raiderhater (Post 17344029)
Jerry must be getting soft in his old age.

Quote:

Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 17344072)
Which is amazing considering he eats Viagra like it was M&Ms

If I’m 85 and pulling tail like he does, I’d be eating Viagra like candy too.

old_geezer 01-17-2024 08:54 PM

Jerry's getting old; I think he knows if he switches head coach or QB (or both) it's going to take some time to jell. The status quo is his best chance of getting lucky. :homer:

ptlyon 01-17-2024 08:55 PM

:old:

notorious 01-17-2024 09:33 PM

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notorious 01-17-2024 09:34 PM

Holy shit, there are 3 Simpsons references in a row. LMAO

POND_OF_RED 01-17-2024 10:27 PM

Keeping McCarthy was the only way Jerry Jones knew how to get around the Rooney Rule.

FloridaMan88 01-17-2024 10:46 PM

The definition of insanity.

Chiefshrink 01-17-2024 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kman34 (Post 17344021)
Suckers... They won't win shit..

This organization is the definition of the word "insanity".

DJ's left nut 01-17-2024 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by old_geezer (Post 17344093)
Jerry's getting old; I think he knows if he switches head coach or QB (or both) it's going to take some time to jell. The status quo is his best chance of getting lucky. :homer:

No - his best chance was hiring Belichick, hoping he'd 'next level' the defense and get Dak into Game Manager Late Stage Brady mode.

That's FAR more likely than winning anything of note with Mike McCarthy.

ChiefsCountry 01-18-2024 12:18 AM

The Cowboys haven't drafted a quarterback in the first round since Aikman in 1989. That's their biggest problem

backinblack 01-18-2024 03:15 AM

the Cowboys had Jimmy Johnson crying during halftime in their playoff game because they were sucking so much, and Jerruh decides keeping McCarthy is the right choice. Especially since you have names like Belichick and Harbaugh that are looking for NFL jobs and you can’t tell me either of those wouldn’t be interested in coming to Dallas if Jones came calling.

scho63 01-18-2024 03:23 AM

The Cowboys are an organization that dislikes change, just like the Steelers. Both teams are suffering from the status quo of mediocrity.

The Panthers, on the other hand, have a lunatic owner who has the most unstable franchise in history. The revolving door of coaches.

Nc_Chief 01-18-2024 03:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TribalElder (Post 17344019)
I think they are, saw earlier where Sirianni and Howie were calling around inquiring about potential coaching staff additions ROFL

In another thread, I said that Nick keeps his job.

I stated if I were a betting man, I would bet he would keep his job but I also stated in the same post that MM would be a goner.

So wrong there but, I still think Nick keeps his job because if the eagles were going to fire him they would have done it Tuesday.

Rasputin 01-18-2024 04:06 AM

Long live Juhrry Jones

CupidStunt 01-18-2024 06:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17344057)
Here's what I don't get about these decisions - this is one of 32 such jobs in the world. They're highly coveted and highly competitive.

I don't need a reason to fire you. I need a reason not to.

Far too many of these owners seem to need a reason to fire these guys without considering the fact that there's really no reason at all to retain them. Why did the Bears keep Eberflus? The Boys McCarthy? Pure inertia.

Every single season these owners should enter the off-season saying "I need a reason NOT to fire this guy" and if they can't come up with one, move on.

Right. They should also weigh heavily whether their guy would get hired elsewhere.

I'm 95% sure McCarthy wouldn't (can't rule out one idiot team). I'm 100% sure Sirianni and Eberflus wouldn't.

And worst of all, they're sticking with their crappy option in a year with exceptionally rare pedigree available. It's a lock they'll all get canned next year, and who knows what coaches will be available then?

kstater 01-18-2024 07:04 AM

Here's what I don't get. There's two home run hires available this year. It's almost certainly SB or bust next year for McCarthy. Why delay the inevitable?

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Easy 6 01-18-2024 07:19 AM

Thats right Jerry, be a man and stick to your guns LMAO

neech 01-18-2024 07:42 AM

Jerry just wants a coach he can control.

McCarthy is a yes man.

tredadda 01-18-2024 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17344192)
No - his best chance was hiring Belichick, hoping he'd 'next level' the defense and get Dak into Game Manager Late Stage Brady mode.

That's FAR more likely than winning anything of note with Mike McCarthy.

I don't think those two egos can function together, friends or not.

Eureka 01-18-2024 08:51 AM

Dallas came out flat against the Packers. At what point is it on the coaching staff?

DJ's left nut 01-18-2024 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17344331)
I don't think those two egos can function together, friends or not.

Guy's 80 years old and starting to look and sound like it.

Jerry - set down your burdens, buddy. You've been a GREAT owner - the Cowboys are relevant because of your commitment to the franchise. They're also mediocre because you refuse to delegate.

Are you THAT hell-bent on re-writing history? Is it that important to you that you're seen as the 'architect' of the early 90s Cowboys? And do you think winning with McCarthy will actually DO that?

I just don't get it.

O.city 01-18-2024 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17344057)
Here's what I don't get about these decisions - this is one of 32 such jobs in the world. They're highly coveted and highly competitive.

I don't need a reason to fire you. I need a reason not to.

Far too many of these owners seem to need a reason to fire these guys without considering the fact that there's really no reason at all to retain them. Why did the Bears keep Eberflus? The Boys McCarthy? Pure inertia.

Every single season these owners should enter the off-season saying "I need a reason NOT to fire this guy" and if they can't come up with one, move on.

I'm gonna devils advocate it here. I'd have fired him after last year...but....

An NFL team is like the Titanic or like America. It's a big powerful ship, but corners terrible. Blowing out a HC is like trying to turn around and iceberg quickly.

Now sometimes, it's just not gonna work out and you need to do it. I'd argue, that time for Dallas was last year, but now.....they've won 12 games 3 straight years with Mike.

Are we really sure Jerry is a "We gotta win a SB" guy? In his old age we all think "he wants to win one at all costs"....but maybe he wants to keep the ship moving?

Dunerdr 01-18-2024 09:41 AM

I would be pissed if i was a cowgirls fan. Neither side of the ball manged to make any noticeable adjustments to what the packers where doing. They got their ass kicked drive in and drive out and just come on the field for the next drive ass first.

DJ's left nut 01-18-2024 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17344393)
I'm gonna devils advocate it here. I'd have fired him after last year...but....

An NFL team is like the Titanic or like America. It's a big powerful ship, but corners terrible. Blowing out a HC is like trying to turn around and iceberg quickly.

Now sometimes, it's just not gonna work out and you need to do it. I'd argue, that time for Dallas was last year, but now.....they've won 12 games 3 straight years with Mike.

Are we really sure Jerry is a "We gotta win a SB" guy? In his old age we all think "he wants to win one at all costs"....but maybe he wants to keep the ship moving?

Well to play with your analogy - the ships gonna move whether you turn the wheel or not. Crank it hard to port and it's STILL gonna keep going forward. But at least you'll start the turn.

If your ship is heading out to see with no heading, the fact that it's gonna take some time to turn around is no reason to just keep it at Flank and hope you eventually circumnavigate the earth...

O.city 01-18-2024 09:43 AM

I would imagine they DID reach out to Belicheck and he said "nah, I'll go to Atlanta where Blank will let me do whatever I want".

O.city 01-18-2024 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17344398)
Well to play with your analogy - the ships gonna move whether you turn the wheel or not. Crank it hard to port and it's STILL gonna keep going forward. But at least you'll start the turn.

If your ship is heading out to see with no heading, the fact that it's gonna take some time to turn around is no reason to just keep it at Flank and hope you eventually circumnavigate the earth...

At this point...he'd rather keep it afloat and be the Captain than delegate the turn and be.....**** I dunno I've ran this aground.

wazu 01-18-2024 09:48 AM

I do have to admit McCarthy has far exceeded all expectations I had for him when he was hired.

warpaint* 01-18-2024 09:54 AM

Some fools never learn.

DJ's left nut 01-18-2024 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wazu (Post 17344410)
I do have to admit McCarthy has far exceeded all expectations I had for him when he was hired.

Is it McCarthy or has Micah Parsons just been a god?

Getting Parsons and Lamb at 12 and 17 respectively has saved that franchise. I'm not sure how much of that credit belongs to McCarthy.

wazu 01-18-2024 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17344428)
Is it McCarthy or has Micah Parsons just been a god?

Getting Parsons and Lamb at 12 and 17 respectively has saved that franchise. I'm not sure how much of that credit belongs to McCarthy.

Yes but I'm used to seeing McCarthy choke away seasons with Aaron Rodgers in his prime. The fact that his incompetence wasn't total enough to completely erase a top NFL roster means he's over-achieving based on who I consider him to be.

DJ's left nut 01-18-2024 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wazu (Post 17344442)
Yes but I'm used to seeing McCarthy choke away seasons with Aaron Rodgers in his prime. The fact that his incompetence wasn't total enough to completely erase a top NFL roster means he's over-achieving based on who I consider him to be.

Oh he's always had solid regular season runs before eating shit in the playoffs.

And combined with the ability of the Cowboys to disappoint in the post-season, this really was something of a foregone conclusion. You have a Wonder-Twins Power scenario here.

Dallas and McCarthy were made for each other. The ways they'll be able to rip the hearts out of Cowboys fans are truly only limited by your imagination.

PunkinDrublic 01-18-2024 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fishels (Post 17344056)
McCarthy probably has a sex tape. He knew it would come to this.

Jerry was in a sex tape called movers and shakers.

Megatron96 01-18-2024 11:21 AM

Meh. I've been one of McCarthy's more vocal detractors for decades, and his game management in this season's playoffs didn't do anything to change my mind about him.

However, the Dallas Defense's complete inability to stop the run was what sunk the Cowboys more than anything else, even more so than McCarthy's numerous failings.

They need to acquire some run-stuffing DTs more than they need to hire a new HC, imo.

PunkinDrublic 01-18-2024 11:27 AM

Cowboys got a lot of attention because they blew out a lot of really bad teams in prime time. The signs of being a fraud were there, Buffalo and SF kicked the shit out of the Cowboys so it shouldn’t have been a surprise that an up and coming team like Green Bay walked into the yard and made the Cowboys their bitch.

MarkDavis'Haircut 01-18-2024 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wazu (Post 17344442)
Yes but I'm used to seeing McCarthy choke away seasons with Aaron Rodgers in his prime. The fact that his incompetence wasn't total enough to completely erase a top NFL roster means he's over-achieving based on who I consider him to be.

Rodgers underperformed in most of those games.

McCarthy got the blame but Rodgers pulled plenty of Peyton Manning performances in the playoffs.

MarkDavis'Haircut 01-18-2024 11:38 AM

Dallas' real issue is overpaying Dak.

McCarthy got the best years out of Dak.

Dak simply isn't good enough for the playoffs.

tredadda 01-18-2024 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17344383)
Guy's 80 years old and starting to look and sound like it.

Jerry - set down your burdens, buddy. You've been a GREAT owner - the Cowboys are relevant because of your commitment to the franchise. They're also mediocre because you refuse to delegate.

Are you THAT hell-bent on re-writing history? Is it that important to you that you're seen as the 'architect' of the early 90s Cowboys? And do you think winning with McCarthy will actually DO that?

I just don't get it.

Remember Al Davis? I see a lot of similarities.

suzzer99 01-18-2024 12:08 PM

I'm excited to see what Jerry non-news will dominate all the NFL pundit shows tomorrow!

Jerry says the Cowboys will not tear down their stadium and build a new one in 2024. This is big news! Let's talk about it for an hour.

seamonster 01-18-2024 12:54 PM

Big Mike has a better playoff record than Tomlin and also won a SB (and Tomlin also had a franchise QB), yet everybody strokes Tomlin. I wouldn't have any problem with this. McCarthy has won a ton of games. Nobody wins that game with the QB floating pick sixes and the defensive coordinator having a mental breakdown. The only thing McCarthy could have done was override the DCordinator but that could have gotten him in even deeper shit with the owner.

FloridaMan88 01-18-2024 12:59 PM

Both Tomlin and FatCarthy should be fired.

Or in Tomlin’s case an “amicable split”… he’s been there 17 years and the franchise has clearly stagnated.

Just keeping a HC for the sake of “consistency” when the only constant is mediocrity is a flawed premise.

tredadda 01-18-2024 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seamonster (Post 17344725)
Big Mike has a better playoff record than Tomlin and also won a SB (and Tomlin also had a franchise QB), yet everybody strokes Tomlin. I wouldn't have any problem with this. McCarthy has won a ton of games. Nobody wins that game with the QB floating pick sixes and the defensive coordinator having a mental breakdown. The only thing McCarthy could have done was override the DCordinator but that could have gotten him in even deeper shit with the owner.

Tomlin has a SB as well. McCarthy never coached in the AFC at the height of Manning/Brady either. Not defending Tomlin but it’s hard to compare both.

Gary Cooper 01-18-2024 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17344823)
Tomlin has a SB as well. McCarthy never coached in the AFC at the height of Manning/Brady either. Not defending Tomlin but it’s hard to compare both.

Yep. Plus, Rodgers is a better QB than Roethlisberger. A higher ceiling. The Packers are a bigger failure over the last 15 seasons than the Steelers, mostly because of the competition in each Conference as you stated.

That said, Tomlin is overrated. The media protects him well.

MarkDavis'Haircut 01-18-2024 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary Cooper (Post 17344854)
Yep. Plus, Rodgers is a better QB than Roethlisberger. A higher ceiling. The Packers are a bigger failure over the last 15 seasons than the Steelers, mostly because of the competition in each Conference as you stated.

That said, Tomlin is overrated. The media protects him well.

McCarthy built an elite offense. His playoff losses were Rodgers choking or the defense being terrible.

Tomlin won with Cowher's players and wasted prime Big Ben years because his defense was bad.

That is the difference. Tomlin's specialty choked.

Urc Burry 01-18-2024 03:22 PM

If it were any other year I don’t think he should be fired… yet. But this is the best year to need a HC, and he probably could have had his pick of the litter. Harbaugh probably wouldn’t have been a fit.. because of ego and control. But Vrabel and Bill would have been instant upgrades.

It is funny seeing McCarthys record and playoff record next to John Harbaugh and Tomlin. McCarthy is what he is, but he’s been a punching bag while others get away with the one and dones

Shields68 01-18-2024 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neech (Post 17344281)
Jerry just wants a coach he can control.

McCarthy is a yes man.

Also i do think Jerry realizes that the available big name coach is not going to going to work for him. They want too much control. You can cross off Belichick, Harbaugh...

chiefzilla1501 01-18-2024 03:32 PM

Absolutely nuts

I wonder how much of this is kyler Murray or Russell where you know you're hamstrung by a limited QB who is also too good to get rid of

luv 01-18-2024 03:35 PM

I figured they'd go after Bill. He must have said no.

poolboy 01-18-2024 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shields68 (Post 17344965)
Also i do think Jerry realizes that the available big name coach is not going to going to work for him. They want too much control. You can cross off Belichick, Harbaugh...

There was no way Jerry and Bill could have come to an agreement....doubt they even talked

DJ's left nut 01-18-2024 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17344571)
Meh. I've been one of McCarthy's more vocal detractors for decades, and his game management in this season's playoffs didn't do anything to change my mind about him.

However, the Dallas Defense's complete inability to stop the run was what sunk the Cowboys more than anything else, even more so than McCarthy's numerous failings.

They need to acquire some run-stuffing DTs more than they need to hire a new HC, imo.

But we missed a stud in Mazi Smith!!!!

It is a little strange that a team with Hankins and Smith on the line should get pushed around in the run game. I almost wonder if their issue isn't on the edges. The DTs get blamed for bad run defense sometimes when the DEs are getting pushed off the edge to create holes in the B-Gaps. The LBs on Dallas are a bit undersized as well.

I'm not sure DT is really their biggest problem in the run game.


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