BJ Kissel destroys Dwight Freeney's "Mahomes abused the rules" narrative
 

This is a savage deconstruction of Freeney's bullshit. LMAO

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The national discourse around the Chiefs is so insane that I'm just completely fine living in my own little Chiefs bubble these days.

I mean, I get it when I see some ****tard in social media comments, but Dwight Freeney is too ****ing stupid to watch that play and see what actually happened?

The Chiefs have literally broken everybody else's minds apparently. Not even the Pats could do this.

apparently there's roving bands of psychotic Swfities out there stanning the Chiefs starting shit online with people, which owns

The chiefs have made everyone insane lol

I'm all for abusing reeruned rules to his advantage and I don't even think that was Pat's intention on that play.

But you want to make dumb ****ing rules, go ahead and abuse them. Yes the defensive players were probably too afraid of getting a penalty if they hit him and that's because of the reeruned ass rules they implemented.

Not from what I've seen. It's Bills, Bengals, and 49er fans flooding every football post with "but the refs". Chiefs fans respond but they don't start anything.

Nobody wants to admit Mr. Perfect Fred Warner flat out got beat by Mahomes at the beginning of this play. If it was Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen, people would be raving about the athleticism of the QB to make Fred Warner look bad.

This is missing the point though. No rules were exploited, only the defender's momentum was exploited. That's why this is all so ****ing reeruned.

Throw some Ravens with a little sprinkle of Eagles fans in there too

Rent free baby, rent free.

It's a close finish on who has more free rent...the Chiefs in the non chiefs fans heads, or me in Staylors.

I don't think that was Pat's intent. Those defenders know if they tackled him if he decided to go out of bounds instead they are getting a big flag.

I think once the QB starts to run then they shouldn't be treated any differently than any other ball carrier. But ya after watching it more closely it was the momentum so oops

The reality is that everyone simply cannot handle the fact that Mahomes is Him and that's been obvious for a while now.

Dude Pat's "intent" was to stop and cut allowing the defender's momentum to take him out of bounds.

This had absolutely nothing to do with the rules.

Chiefs Derangement Syndrome is real!!!

I’ve seen people arguing that Mustapha let up on the rushing TD to avoid a penalty.

There is no end to the delusion.

I watched the replay more closely, I see it now. It was the momentum and not Pat trying to exploit anything.

I forgot for a second how the dumb the average twitter poster is

Now, they're doing mental gymnastics from saying this generation is a golden era of elite QB play to Mahomes is playing against mediocre talent in comparison to other epochs of time in the NFL.

Man, I really need a Chiefs Derangement Syndrome meme so I can tell all my IRL friends on social media to **** off in one fell swoop.

And as some noted at the time, MASSIVE credit to Kareem Hunt for playing through the whistle there.

Some guys just get it. Some receivers mesh really well with Mahomes because the play is never dead and they're just constantly working through the play because he'll make something crazy happen.

This is an extension of that. Did Hunt shove that dude thinking he'd clear him OOB and open a lane for Mahomes to cut back inside? Hell, I don't know, but I kinda doubt it. Nobody expects that sort of thing. But that was the angle he had to throw any sort of legal block so he threw it. Mahomes and his vision did the rest.

I say this to the kids I coach in both baseball and football - there's ALWAYS someplace to be on a play. There's ALWAYS something to do. And if you're spectating, you're doing it wrong. I don't know that Hunt had any grand design there, but he was looking for work ("head on a swivel!") and the work he found was just shoving the dude in front of him as hard as he could.

He played to the whistle and it made a massive play for his QB.

It's never ever been an issue before. He constantly gets hit on the sidelines and there have been several times that a penalty should have been called but never was. He just made them look like idiots.

It’s like DJ said guys. We wear the black hat now.

We have truly made it to the top. We’ve gotten to the level the Patriots were at for so many years.

Sit down, light a cigar and enjoy it. Breathe the fresh air fellas. It’s beautiful

I think his intent was to go OOB until he saw the impact of Hunt's block. Once he saw that, he pivoted and cut inside. That's RB sort of vision put to its best use.

What I will say is that when I saw that play, it reminded me a very small bit of one of the 49ers QBs against us years ago. Was it Grapes? He had a run down the sideline, looked like he was headed OOB, changed his mind because a seam opened up and planted that left leg to cut inside....

....and it went 'splodey.

Kelce learned the hard way last season that his body won't respond to late/quick movements like it used to. So he just stopped doing it for the most part. He had a half dozen plays where he bulldozed guys last year that he would've cut around in years past.

Toney's gonna have to learn someday that his body will NEVER stand up to that.

Right now PMs will. I hope he learns the lesson cheaply when it no longer will. Because time comes for us all...

Been enjoying this for a couple years now.

Embrace the hate, fellas. Wear the black hat with pride!

**** 'em all.

Helps explain Brady’s commentary on Sunday. He knows what it’s like to have everyone in football rooting against you other than your local fanbase. He knows how hard it is to go through the grind of 6 straight conference title games, trying to win 2 rings in a row, 3 rings in a row, etc.

When Pat throws that hand out with the ball in it, it's like a Pentecostal preacher overwhelming the defender with the holy spirit.

He does it constantly, and it's the same effect every time. Just completely bite on the ball fake.

He did let up. But it was a concession more than an attempt to avoid a penalty.

He he NOT let up and lowered the boom, I wouldn't have been upset with that either. It was a close enough question on a 4th down in a key moment of the ballgame. Had he gone 100 mph and knocked PM into next week (like he did with Hunt in the 1st quarter) I wouldn't have been mad at him.

It's his job. Finish the play.

But he didn't.

If the 'soft ass rules' had anything to do with that, it's because they've taken that sort of lunatic killer mentality out of defensive players. 15-20 years ago, every single defensive player in the league cleans his clock there because that's just how you were taught.

Now? Eh. Not really. Speed, technique, savvy - those are what defenses focus on. Emotion and fury? Eh, it's different.

Did the rules impact Mustafa on this specific play in that they encouraged him to avoid a flag? No. Because who cares? It's an unnecessary roughness that would've made the touchback that much easier. It's a nothing penalty. But did the rules create a mentality shift among NFL defenders where that sort of play isn't finished the way it used to be? Yeah, I can buy that.

And hell, maybe that's a good thing. If Mustafa concusses Mahomes, that ain't great for the league. But if some 4th round rookie safety goes viral for a week or so and then the world moves on because he DIDN'T kill the baddest MFer on the planet - well that's probably a net gain for everyone really.

There's nothing more maddening than having to defend against something this stupid.

It’s the floss in my bathroom drawer. I don’t use it. Dentist bitches at me but haven’t had a cavity in 30ish years. The floss just sits there

Suck it!!!

Terrible idea. This is what happens to QB's that abuse the running-out-of-bounds rules (watch closely):

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RGIII had gone around bragging to the media that he was specifically trying to get 15 yard penalties while he's running out of bounds. Wound up getting massively concussed and then had his knee cap discombobulated. By his second year he was a shadow of himself

Pat isn't a stick like RGIII so he might absorb some of these dirty hits. But it looked like SF was starting to target him ala RGIII here. This is where the GM needs to step up and sign some ****ing receivers because things can get ugly.

It’s fear and jealousy. This ultimately reminds me of the classic scene from Breaking Bad.

Everyone knows who we are and that we are great. Everyone.

“Say our name”. Say who we are and put that D for dynasty at the beginning.









You’re goddamn right

Eh, I just don't bother. I think many of the rules about RTP/unnecessary roughness are stupid as hell, but they are what they are. People want to complain because QBs are taking advantage, take it up with the competition committee or whatever. The game is trending softer, and there's no going back now.

Some people love it because it means scrambling, athletic, smaller QBs are protected like they never were before, and those guys will be able to stay healthy for a few more years than they could have in the past. Which is good for general viewership. And at the end of the day, the NFL is all about the $$$.

He was still waiving the ball, or still had it in his right hand, which never even came close to leaving the field of play.

I have no clue how the people who say the defenders pulled think he "faked" going out of bounds. And then they say the defenders were afraid to hit him, but why in TF does that mean they couldn't extend their arms and push him out of bounds?

Laying a big hit isnt the only way to get someone out of bounds.

It's just an absolute moronic take, and it's crazy so many people are either just so damn stupid, or they didn't even watch but are just parroting what others say. Again, if you watch football on any type of regular basis, you should not think he faked going out of bounds.

That's just the thing. It isn't about "quarterbacks", it's about MAHOMES. There's literally thousands of post on social media about this that say if that were Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson, they would have gotten de-cleated. People are convinced that Patrick Mahomes gets special treatment above and beyond the rules that protect all QBs.

I mean, if we're honest about it, or rather, let's just say, if I'm honest about it (don't want to speak for everyone out of turn), they aren't wrong.

It's the same exact circumstances we saw when Brady was playing. There's no doubt in my mind that Brady received extra special kid-gloves treatment, because he was the GOAT. Manning got similar treatment in his day. We all are well-aware of that, right? Watched all that shit in real time, didn't we?

Well, now it's Mahomes' turn. This is always how the league has worked. It's how every league works. See MJ. SSDD.

He got knife handed in the ****ing throat and there was not penalty, even when the ref saw it happen from 5 feet away. Mahomes isn't getting special treatment any more than any other QB.

Nonsense. Mahomes let up on the play so he wouldn't hurt Mustapha too badly.

If it was Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen, those same idiots would be raving about how athletic those guys are to embarrass Fred Warner — one of the most athletic LB’s in the sport. Mahomes does not get anywhere near enough credit for his mobility.

Except Mahomes does not get special treatment, certainly not anywhere near Brady or Peyton Manning. On Sunday Mahomes got punched in the throat with a ref watching it and no flag. Ravens got away with hitting him out of bounds. I have seen way more weak roughing the passer calls in favor of Josh Allen than anything for Mahomes through the years.

Yeah, that one pissed me off as well.


But that's one play that the refs somehow missed. And I know they've missed others over the years as well. In general though, Pat gets a lot of calls that another QB wouldn't. Because he's the face of the NFL. Same as Brady did. Same as Manning did. Same as Montana did.

Sometimes rules are made to be broken.

Maybe. I confess I haven't watched every single Mahomes or Josh Allen game. And certainly I've never bothered to count up every bad call/non-call ever in their respective games. If there's a place where those stats are available I might be interested in taking a look around to see how they stack up.

My point was that the truly elite/special players that become the face of their leagues have always gotten special treatment, in any sport, since the beginning of time. It's practically a rule.

Maybe it's because players for the opponents often go after those superstars in an attempt to hurt them at every opportunity. Players like Mahomes are targeted just to get them out of the game. When you're some run of the mill crappy QB, they want you to stay in the game, so they're not targeting you for extra roughness.

It pisses them off because Pat looks like one of us out there running and he clowns fools all the time.

They can suck it long and hard. Our Dad-Bod Badass is raping their faces and there's no end in sight.

Just crazy to me after all those years.LFG

Back when Brady/Peyton playing, you could lay bigger hits on QBs and I do believe those two got more protection.

Now, they really are protecting all QB's so it is not same.

Sure, there is still some issue when they take off and are nominally RBs, but it is not like it was with Brady.

And Josh Allen is the king of flops. Has received a lot of calls from the refs by acting like he got crushed when all he received was a little tap

Fred Warner is still in his prime and will be in the HOF. He is one of the best LB in the league. Making him look foolish warrants praise.

Yeah, its so special that we suffered so many years of bad football and crushing playoff losses that now we get to share this dynasty in real time together. :thumb:

I will always hate Scott Pioli.

But one thing - the ONE thing he did - was the year the season ticket holder gift was a jersey. And on that jersey is a little 'STH' patch in the corner.

I wear that sucker every time I go to Arrowhead (I'm the guy in the Lanier). And every time I see someone with that little STH badge on their jersey I know that's another guy who's been through the wars with me.

Because if you got that jersey back when Pioli was running this shit, you EARNED this.

Sit a few plays out here and there, Swifties. Y'all don't have the sweat equity yet...

I mean, sure okay. it's not new stuff. Early in Mahomes' career, 2019 I think, it was all over the various football shows that defenses needed to hit Mahomes to beat the Chiefs, right? Nothing new there. NOR did exactly that to Favre in the playoffs, right? Blew him right out of his shoes on a running play when he had his head turned. No flags. Basically ended his career right there. Something similar happened to Kurt Warner I think.

But brady got rules changed for him. Brady got the strike zone. No hitting below the knees, period. No touching of the head, period. Can't throw the Qb to the ground. Can't land with your 'full body weight' on the QB. Et cetera.

Which has benefitted all QBs now, including Pat. Does Pat get the same level of kid glove treatment that Brady did? Maybe not. But he is protected in ways that Baker isn't, for example.


And just to be clear, I HATE a large percentage of the RTP/unnecessary roughness flags. I get the league has to protect QBs, but a lot of these flags are plain ridiculous, and they can/have changed the outcomes of important games.

But we are here. And the Chiefs/Pat have benefitted for the most part. More than a lot of QBs, as you said. Not going to complain about that, but there's been a lot of flags thrown in favor of KC where I just shook my head at the silliness of it all.

I just can't get too worked up about the implementation of these rules. Maybe it's because I'm getting older, but maybe it's because I lived through the godawful implementation of the "in the grasp" rule for protecting QBs. I don't think they can possibly surpass the idiocy that rule gave us across the league.

Mahomes has had more TD’s taken off the board from penalties than any QB in the last 6 years. If that’s special treatment, it sure doesn’t match up very well with what you’re suggesting.

Below is a list of Roughing the Passer flags for recent QB’s. Funny enough Carson Wentz is at the top of the list from his earlier years. Your guy Mayfield is slightly above Mahomes on the list. Josh Allen is very high on the list even though Buffalo fans whine about the refs a lot:

0.316 per game for Carson Wentz
0.315 per game for Josh Allen
0.288 per game for Jared Goff
0.266 per game for Ryan Tannehill
0.259 per game for Kirk Cousins
0.251 per game for Matt Ryan
0.250 per game for Deshaun Watson
0.241 per game for Jimmy Grapes
0.239 per game for Justin Fields
0.231 per game for Gardner Minshew
0.230 per game for Baker Mayfield
0.229 per game for Cam Newton
0.225 per game for Patrick Mahomes
0.220 per game for Russell Wilson
0.214 per game for Jacoby Brissett
0.203 per game for Justin Herbert
0.200 per game for Matt Stafford
0.197 per game for Dak Prescott
0.195 per game for Geno Smith
0.182 per game for Aaron Rodgers
0.182 per game for Joe Burrow
0.179 per game for Tua Tagovailoa
0.158 per game for Lamar Jackson
0.139 per game for Derek Carr

Derek Carr at the bottom of the list is interesting considering the bogus RTP on Chris Jones that caused the Arrowhead crowd to boo the refs for 30 minutes straight. Lol

Where did you find those stats?


That was pretty funny. Though in the moment I was pretty pissed they threw that flag against CJ. Complete BS. But the crowd reaction was purely priceless.


Tbf, I thought we were also talking about unnecessary roughness flags, like when the QB is running with the ball and gets a flag when he gets hit as he goes out of bounds or as he's sliding or whatever. And I wasn't thinking just about the total number of flags, but the circumstances/context of them, but whatever.

I think Pat gets a lot of protection, you may not. But I also think Qbs in general are overly protected in the new kinder gentler NFL.

https://www.nflpenalties.com/roughin...b.php?view=all

They have a “per game” column where you can sort it. Tom Brady is actually very low on the list, probably due to how fast he would get rid of the ball. I also remember a game against the Bears when Tom immediately went to the ground as soon as he saw pass rushers coming toward him. Smart to avoid the hits.

Thx. Might have a look around in there later.


Yeah, Tom started doing the Payton 'fetal position' thing towards the end of his career. Saved him some beatings for sure.

Kareem kicked that linebacker out to the edge of the hallway like he was a defenseless biatch.

If he's getting a lot of protection, the throat punch on Sunday should have been penalized. Ref was standing right there watching it happen, lol

Do you remember the recent play (Baltimore) where Mahomes got hit out of bounds? Zero flag on the defense. Chiefs player got in trouble for responding to that cheap shot. He got penalized and fined. Yet the Baltimore defense got away scott-free with the cheap hit out of bounds. No penalty, no fine. Sounds like encouragement from the league to keep doing it.

Wasn't there another one a year or two ago when we played HOU and their safety (or whoever) came in on a blitz and literally punched Pat in the helmet, after he already got rid of the ball? Ref was standing right behind Pat about 7 yards? No flag, of course.


I never said Pat gets all the flags. Just that he gets a lot of flags. I mean, if you're saying he should get every possible flag, idk what to tell you. No one gets them all. But I've watched Pat get flags when it was a legal hit or when it should've probably been a non-call.

And a lot of flags, whether Pat is involved or not, are nothing more than lovetaps compared to what QBs used to deal with. Hell, that one against us in the AFCG vs. NE when CJ slapped his hand down on Brady's shoulder still ticks me off.

It's eventually gonna turn into flag football. The owners are gonna get fed up with the huge guaranteed money for injured players. Salaries & guaranteed money have gone up enormously from the old days, way more than inflation in the regular economy over the last 30+ years.

Yeah, it's pretty much what I've been thinking for a couple three years now. Tbh, if not for Mahomes and a select few other players like Travis, I might not even be watching football at this point. By the time Pat retires I probably will step back from the NFL flag football experience.

To be fair there wasn’t social media back in the early 2000”s. The Chiefs dynasty is the first of its age unless we count Brady’s last 3 won with Patriots.

Social media has made people stupid and believe in anything if told enough

Don't forget to add Ravens fans to that list. They're borderline psychotic about "Ravens better than Chiefs", "Chiefs can't stop Henry", etc., etc. ad naseum.

They have the perfect plan. Until they get kicked in the dick. Like every time we play them. Get ahead of them by a couple scores and then they throw their papers in the air and start passing like crazy. Meanwhile Justice Hill is in the game while Henry stands there on the sideline looking dumb.

I will fight Dwight Freeney at the George Brett statue right now!




(Forgot that the dog needs a bath. Never mind. No seriously Dwight: my dog really needs a bath.)

Mahomes faked throwing it not fake going h out of bounds. I don't see any controversy.

Social media sites have been around since the late '90s.

On the other hand though that DB could have knocked him out of bounds and didn't do it. So I don't feel sorry for him. Now if the DB had shoved mahomes out of bounds and then got in a penalty for it that would have been a problem.

It's funny thinking people now hate the Chiefs like I used to hate the Cowboys, the Raiders, the Steelers, the Dolphins, the Broncos, the Patriots, the Yankees, the Cardinals, the Phillies and the Reds.

Ravens and 49ers fans hate Mahomes like I used to hate horse face Elway and ten head Peyton Manning.

Oh it is great to be the hated!

I hope Mahomes does actually do some fake out of bounds against the raiders just to see them seethe more

Back in the 90's (I think) there was a game with the 49ers playing and I think it was Steve Young playing QB. I hated the 49ers and really wanted them to lose. The QB scrambled toward the sideline and definitely made it look like he was just going to trot out of bounds. He absolutely faked out the defense and then ran downfield for a ways. I don't remember anything about the play other than I was really pissed that he had taken advantage of the defensive players going easy on him.

Looking back on it now and the way the 49er fans are whining about Mahomes yesterday, I really wish I could find that play, but I can't. Does anyone else remember this play or know what game it was?

No but it’s not super relevant. The entire issue is that QBs are so much better protected now via the rules and officiating that defensive players are afraid to hit a QB in a situation like that, lest it be a personal foul. That absolutely wasn’t the case in Steve Young’s day.

(Mind you, I agree with BJ’s take 100%. And even if there were plays where Mahomes had taken advantage of that, if it’s in the spirit of the rules, who cares?)

Like the Neil Smith flinch rule.

...and Ravens

Yet when Josh Allen does his "fake going out of bounds" Chuck ball to guy downfield after the defense gives up thinking the play is over, it's the "greatest thing ever" "smart" "heady". He also fake slides and uses the sideline on runs to get cheap yards. I have never seen that criticized.

Interesting...

To be fair all of us here said the same things about the Patriots and tried to discredit everything they did. . Now they actually did cheat, did get cheap game changing calls on blown calls, but that's another story ROFL