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kcgreene 02-21-2025 12:00 PM

Left Tackle Watch - 2025 Offseason
 
Since this is the most important problem with our roster right now, I figured I'd put something together that organizes all of the Chiefs options into one thread for anyone that wants to take a deeper dive into it.

I'll make sure to update if players are extended, etc.

In-House Solutions
Spoiler!


Players Potentially in Free Agency
(Age will be age as of Sept 1, number does not entail ranking, just order I wrote them in)
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The Draft
(Looking at Top 100-Tackles, guys who potentially can start in 2025, rated by placement on Dane Brugler's current Big Board along with his synopsis. Their number is their place on his Big Board. All Tackles are included on this list [Left and Right])
Spoiler!

SHOWTIME 02-21-2025 12:28 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">�� ONE TO WATCH ��<br><br>According to ESPN, Los Angeles Rams do not plan to franchise tag left tackle Alaric Jackson.<br><br>Jackson is steady as both a run-blocker and pass-protector. His 22 QB pressures allowed in 2024 matched the likes of Dion Dawkins.<br><br>He is projected to land $16…</p>&mdash; Chiefs Blitz (@ChiefsBlitz) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsBlitz/status/1892966824385429873?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 21, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Bump 02-21-2025 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SHOWTIME (Post 17975776)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">�� ONE TO WATCH ��<br><br>According to ESPN, Los Angeles Rams do not plan to franchise tag left tackle Alaric Jackson.<br><br>Jackson is steady as both a run-blocker and pass-protector. His 22 QB pressures allowed in 2024 matched the likes of Dion Dawkins.<br><br>He is projected to land $16…</p>&mdash; Chiefs Blitz (@ChiefsBlitz) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsBlitz/status/1892966824385429873?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 21, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Get her dun Burt!

that's the guy we should try to get IMO if he's available

GordonGekko 02-21-2025 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bump (Post 17975988)
Get her dun Burt!

that's the guy we should try to get IMO if he's available

Let's do it, $16M doesn't seem like that much in today's NFL. This move would also free up the Chiefs in the NFL draft, not having to worry about trading up/drafting a decent tackle prospect (which would be risky in itself)

kcgreene 02-21-2025 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SHOWTIME (Post 17975776)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">�� ONE TO WATCH ��<br><br>According to ESPN, Los Angeles Rams do not plan to franchise tag left tackle Alaric Jackson.<br><br>Jackson is steady as both a run-blocker and pass-protector. His 22 QB pressures allowed in 2024 matched the likes of Dion Dawkins.<br><br>He is projected to land $16…</p>&mdash; Chiefs Blitz (@ChiefsBlitz) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsBlitz/status/1892966824385429873?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 21, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Updated in first post, I figure I'll keep including any info found on it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GordonGekko (Post 17976007)
Let's do it, $16M doesn't seem like that much in today's NFL. This move would also free up the Chiefs in the NFL draft, not having to worry about trading up/drafting a decent tackle prospect (which would be risky in itself)

16M AAV for Jackson is an easy win in my book, I still really like the idea of drafting a guy and getting Terron Armstead for a few years as a stopgap, but I'd be very happy with that deal for Jackson.

GordonGekko 02-21-2025 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcgreene (Post 17976016)
Updated in first post, I figure I'll keep including any info found on it.



16M AAV for Jackson is an easy win in my book, I still really like the idea of drafting a guy and getting Terron Armstead for a few years as a stopgap, but I'd be very happy with that deal for Jackson.

I would love for the Chiefs to have the option if they stay at pick #31, to draft the best player available (obviously no QB). Not have to worry about nabbing a decent LT prospect or even have the flexibility to trade it for more picks and move down, let the draft come to them so to speak but at the same time staying hyper vigilant/high IQ

Dunerdr 02-21-2025 08:55 PM

You guys are gonna flip when he’s got a better market than that. People only want Jackson because he’s a perceived discount. If he’s starter good it won’t be on a discount. Not to mention he has extremely short arms. Shorter than thuneys.

Dunerdr 02-21-2025 08:59 PM

Jaylon Moore is probably cheaper and a better physical fit. His arms are still short or just at threshold for Andy standards at 33.5.

I haven’t had a chance to watch Jackson or Moore much. But expect both were helped more than they’d be here because they’re both out of similar systems and no one asks what we ask.

TheGuardian 02-21-2025 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SHOWTIME (Post 17975776)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">�� ONE TO WATCH ��<br><br>According to ESPN, Los Angeles Rams do not plan to franchise tag left tackle Alaric Jackson.<br><br>Jackson is steady as both a run-blocker and pass-protector. His 22 QB pressures allowed in 2024 matched the likes of Dion Dawkins.<br><br>He is projected to land $16…</p>&mdash; Chiefs Blitz (@ChiefsBlitz) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsBlitz/status/1892966824385429873?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 21, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This basically fixes the whole issue and then we can just focus on the drafted and retaining our guys

Wisconsin_Chief 02-22-2025 08:23 AM

If anyone thinks we’re landing Jackson for 3/48, you’re dreaming. I don’t know where that site is getting their projections, but that dude is not getting a deal that pays him less than we paid Jawaan Taylor two full off seasons ago. Zero chance that happens.

With the cap rising and his youth and positional value, he’s getting $20 million a year and at least 4-5 years, and I’d still gladly pay him that. The Chiefs have shown they will go balls to the walls for a LT if the guy is worth it. I still think we’re signing Cam Robinson, though. Probably day one of free agency, but I’d love for that to be Jackson instead.

smithandrew051 02-22-2025 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief (Post 17976462)
If anyone thinks we’re landing Jackson for 3/48, you’re dreaming. I don’t know where that site is getting their projections, but that dude is not getting a deal that pays him less than we paid Jawaan Taylor two full off seasons ago. Zero chance that happens.

With the cap rising and his youth and positional value, he’s getting $20 million a year and at least 4-5 years, and I’d still gladly pay him that. The Chiefs have shown they will go balls to the walls for a LT if the guy is worth it. I still think we’re signing Cam Robinson, though. Probably day one of free agency, but I’d love for that to be Jackson instead.

I guessed 4/80 for Jackson when we first started speculating that he might hit free agency.

Wisconsin_Chief 02-22-2025 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17976471)
I guessed 4/80 for Jackson when we first started speculating that he might hit free agency.

That feels about right to me. Might be more like 4/84 depending on if a bugging war ensues, which it most likely will. But yeah, 4/80 is kind of what I see as the starting point. I don’t even think he’s listening to a 3/48 type offer from anyone.

RedinTexas 02-22-2025 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17976471)
I guessed 4/80 for Jackson when we first started speculating that he might hit free agency.

Probably more with the salary cap jumping up $20 million.

Couch-Potato 02-22-2025 10:58 AM

I’d rather spend an additional $4m for Trey Smith and make a small move up for Josh Conerly Jr, but I’m not against it.

-King- 02-22-2025 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 17976512)
I’d rather spend an additional $4m for Trey Smith and make a small move up for Josh Conerly Jr, but I’m not against it.

Gross.

tredadda 02-22-2025 11:08 AM

Only thing that I wonder about is why the Rams are are not looking to retain him, especially at $16 million a year projected. If there are no red flags, then at that price KC really needs to consider trying to get him.

Wisconsin_Chief 02-22-2025 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17976521)
Only thing that I wonder about is why the Rams are are not looking to retain him, especially at $16 million a year projected. If there are no red flags, then at that price KC really needs to consider trying to get him.

They are moving on from Kupp and just gave Stafford permission to speak to other teams. Probably about to go through a rebuild and don’t want to spend 20 million a year on a LT.

As people have stated many times about him, though, he does get a lot of help which would not happen here. With his short arms and an offensive genius like McVay being willing to let him walk, it does give you some hesitancy. That said, we are in dire straits here and if this kid is even just serviceable in this offense, it’s still a win even if you have to overpay.

I still believe it’s going to be Cam Robinson. Just makes way too much sense.

tredadda 02-22-2025 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief (Post 17976524)
They are moving on from Kupp and just gave Stafford permission to speak to other teams. Probably about to go through a rebuild and don’t want to spend 20 million a year on a LT.

As people have stated many times about him, though, he does get a lot of help which would not happen here. With his short arms and an offensive genius like McVay being willing to let him walk, it does give you some hesitancy. That said, we are in dire straits here and if this kid is even just serviceable in this offense, it’s still a win even if you have to overpay.

I still believe it’s going to be Cam Robinson. Just makes way too much sense.

They need to upgrade LT, I do agree with that. But overpaying to get an adequate one is not smart. Look at how much pearl clutching goes on here over Taylor and his salary despite that he was and is an upgrade over Wylie.

It might be Cam, but we will wait and see.

Chris Meck 02-22-2025 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17976528)
They need to upgrade LT, I do agree with that. But overpaying to get an adequate one is not smart. Look at how much pearl clutching goes on here over Taylor and his salary despite that he was and is an upgrade over Wylie.

It might be Cam, but we will wait and see.

It's true, Taylor is an upgrade over Wylie, who blows goats.

Dunerdr 02-22-2025 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17976521)
Only thing that I wonder about is why the Rams are are not looking to retain him, especially at $16 million a year projected. If there are no red flags, then at that price KC really needs to consider trying to get him.

Because he’s a spot starter with short arms. A swing tackle not a game in game out player. You just have to take off the CP desperation glasses to see .

-King- 02-22-2025 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 17976763)
Because he’s a spot starter with short arms. A swing tackle not a game in game out player. You just have to take off the CP desperation glasses to see .

A spot starter that's started 32 games the past 2 seasons?

Dunerdr 02-22-2025 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 17976765)
A spot starter that's started 32 games the past 2 seasons?

He’s got baby arms. He’s not a LT for Andy Reid.

Rainbarrel 02-22-2025 07:47 PM

The Chiefs have to know LT is a must fix. Why the hell else would they just give Oladokum a futures contract. When all he does is move backwards and run in loops

KentuckyChief 02-22-2025 07:56 PM

Ersery FTW! That’s the pick. Screw going after any of these FA’s.

Coogs 02-22-2025 08:56 PM

Robinson looks pretty good against the Texans. Full game is on this link.

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Mr_Tomahawk 02-22-2025 09:18 PM

Sign Ronnie Stanley and draft a project.

Dunerdr 02-22-2025 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KentuckyChief (Post 17976841)
Ersery FTW! That’s the pick. Screw going after any of these FA’s.

Yeah that guy will back up Kingsley nicely.

JPH83 02-23-2025 01:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 17976916)
Sign Ronnie Stanley and draft a project.

Providing it's for a couple of years max I still think I'd prefer thus, even with his injury record. You know you're getting an above average pass-pro with decent run blocking. You just don't know how many games you'll get him for.

But, he'll likely go back to the Ravens

Chris Meck 02-23-2025 08:40 AM

Yeah, I seriously doubt The Ravens let Stanley out of the building.

They would be in the same position as we are; no answers at LT on a contender and drafting too low to get one.

That's just not a smart place to intentionally put yourself.

O.city 02-23-2025 09:03 AM

Don’t think they have the money to sign him. They may move some $ around but that’s not normal for them

Dunerdr 02-23-2025 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 17976916)
Sign Ronnie Stanley and draft a project.

We already have the project just out a vet in front of him.

Mr_Tomahawk 02-23-2025 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 17977089)
We already have the project just out a vet in front of him.

I will agree with you halfway. We have a vet, but we don't have a project. We have a project at guard...

Dunerdr 02-23-2025 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 17977098)
I will agree with you halfway. We have a vet, but we don't have a project. We have a project at guard...

No way. You can’t write the kid off from one game. He was fine against good rushers in Baltimore. He’s super raw. Should not have been starting. He needs to work on hand placement and footwork. He’s an elite size/movement T prospect. If this staff ****ed around with Niang for 4 years who showed less, they’re not moving this kid to guard after 2 games starting. I’d bet money he’s at duke mannyweathers right now.

Chris Meck 02-23-2025 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 17977098)
I will agree with you halfway. We have a vet, but we don't have a project. We have a project at guard...

What exactly is your definition of a project?

A guy that's starter level right away?

Because that's not a project.

Chris Meck 02-23-2025 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 17976916)
Sign Ronnie Stanley and draft a project.

Let me ask you another question-

If you're Baltimore, a perennial contender picking in the low 20's every season-why would you let an above average LT go? You can't replace him in the draft, you pick too low. You can't replace him in free agency, it'll cost as much or more and the pickings are slim.

So why wouldn't you just re-sign the guy you have?

The ONLY reason is that you don't think he's going to be physically able, and in that case, KC should be very wary also.

And THAT is all I have to say on Ronnie Stanley.

Gary Cooper 02-23-2025 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 17977114)
Let me ask you another question-

If you're Baltimore, a perennial contender picking in the low 20's every season-why would you let an above average LT go? You can't replace him in the draft, you pick too low. You can't replace him in free agency, it'll cost as much or more and the pickings are slim.

So why wouldn't you just re-sign the guy you have?

The ONLY reason is that you don't think he's going to be physically able, and in that case, KC should be very wary also.

And THAT is all I have to say on Ronnie Stanley.

Isn't Baltimore up against the cap? They'll probably want to keep Flowers and Hamilton long term. Also, Lamar doesn't need a LT as much as other QBs who are more stationery in the pocket.

I'd keep Staley if I were them but I can see the arguments against.

Dunerdr 02-23-2025 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary Cooper (Post 17977140)
Isn't Baltimore up against the cap? They'll probably want to keep Flowers and Hamilton long term. Also, Lamar doesn't need a LT as much as other QBs who are more stationery in the pocket.

I'd keep Staley if I were them but I can see the arguments against.

The idea that the most mediocre qb consistently in the playoffs doesn’t need a LT is absurd. Just because he can run doesn’t mean he’s impervious to pressure.

Gary Cooper 02-23-2025 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 17977172)
The idea that the most mediocre qb consistently in the playoffs doesn’t need a LT is absurd. Just because he can run doesn’t mean he’s impervious to pressure.

Sure it's great to have a solid LT. Lamar is the most unique QB though. I'd keep Staley but they have other needs too.

Chris Meck 02-23-2025 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary Cooper (Post 17977182)
Sure it's great to have a solid LT. Lamar is the most unique QB though. I'd keep Staley but they have other needs too.

There's no greater need if you have a gaping hole at LT, I would think this last season would show that for Chiefs fans.

duncan_idaho 02-23-2025 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 17976785)
He’s got baby arms. He’s not a LT for Andy Reid.

Watch the cut-up of his snaps against the Eagles.

Yeah, he has short arms, but he isn't getting beat in that game by any of the moves that typically give tackles with short arms a problem.

duncan_idaho 02-23-2025 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17976521)
Only thing that I wonder about is why the Rams are are not looking to retain him, especially at $16 million a year projected. If there are no red flags, then at that price KC really needs to consider trying to get him.

The Rams are trying to do a complete reset on offense, similar to the one they did after Donald retired.

It wouldn't surprise me if they're planning to move everything on offense but Nacua and Williams, re-set, and if they end up awful... being so, so sad about being in position to take Archie Manning... and then support him on a rookie deal with a young, dynamic defense and a young, dynamic offense.

Dunerdr 02-23-2025 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17977195)
Watch the cut-up of his snaps against the Eagles.

Yeah, he has short arms, but he isn't getting beat in that game by any of the moves that typically give tackles with short arms a problem.

I don’t hate the film, I just think the coaching staff puts him in the no pile of applicants because of it.

kccrow 02-23-2025 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17977195)
Watch the cut-up of his snaps against the Eagles.

Yeah, he has short arms, but he isn't getting beat in that game by any of the moves that typically give tackles with short arms a problem.

Agreed. The Rams left him on an island a lot more than people seem to be giving him credit for.

kccrow 02-23-2025 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 17976785)
He’s got baby arms. He’s not a LT for Andy Reid.

Andy Reid traded for Jason Peters in 2009.... He was 6'4" 328 with 33-1/8" arms. Arm length, IMO, can be overblown.

Alaric Jackson plays well, that matters most.

That's why I think Conerly is a fit. Ultra-athletic like Peters was and has longer arms than Peters.

Chiefshrink 02-23-2025 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17976521)
Only thing that I wonder about is why the Rams are are not looking to retain him, especially at $16 million a year projected. If there are no red flags, then at that price KC really needs to consider trying to get him.

Exactly! There's a reason why Doug Pederson did not want Taylor either and now we know!

kccrow 02-23-2025 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 17977347)
Exactly! There's a reason why Doug Pederson did not want Taylor either and now we know!

You have them mixed up Shrink. Doug Peterson didn't want Cam Robinson and rightfully so. He's awful.

MahomesMagic 02-23-2025 02:36 PM

Did we sign this piece of shit yet?

Chiefshrink 02-23-2025 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 17977345)
Andy Reid traded for Jason Peters in 2009.... He was 6'4" 328 with 33-1/8" arms. Arm length, IMO, can be overblown.

Alaric Jackson plays well, that matters most.

That's why I think Conerly is a fit. Ultra-athletic like Peters was and has longer arms than Peters.

Any left tackle that is good has a lot of "dog in them" regardless of arm length. But guys with shorter arms have to have even "more dog in them" IMO.

Dunerdr 02-23-2025 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 17977345)
Andy Reid traded for Jason Peters in 2009.... He was 6'4" 328 with 33-1/8" arms. Arm length, IMO, can be overblown.

Alaric Jackson plays well, that matters most.

That's why I think Conerly is a fit. Ultra-athletic like Peters was and has longer arms than Peters.

What I found on the Google was 31.5” arms. For a team that’s known for valuing long arms it just doesn’t seem likely. If that’s wrong I’d be happy to be wrong.

Chris Meck 02-23-2025 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 17977446)
What I found on the Google was 31.5” arms. For a team that’s known for valuing long arms it just doesn’t seem likely. If that’s wrong I’d be happy to be wrong.

I'm seeing 32.5"

Dunerdr 02-23-2025 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 17977469)
I'm seeing 32.5"

That’s still shorter than thuney I believe but like crow said if his body’s long enough it makes up some.

kccrow 02-23-2025 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 17977446)
What I found on the Google was 31.5” arms. For a team that’s known for valuing long arms it just doesn’t seem likely. If that’s wrong I’d be happy to be wrong.

Every team in the league values long arms. It helps keep pass rushers out of their chest. If you asked every team to build a LT in a lab, they'd probably come out with Tra Thomas.

If a guy can play, he can play though.

Braden Smith has shorter arms than Jackson as a RT for the Colts. So does Luke Goedeke for the Bucs.

smithandrew051 02-23-2025 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 17977499)
Every team in the league values long arms. It helps keep pass rushers out of their chest. If you asked every team to build a LT in a lab, they'd probably come out with Tra Thomas.

If a guy can play, he can play though.

Braden Smith has shorter arms than Jackson as a RT for the Colts. So does Luke Goedeke for the Bucs.

I understand holding short arms against a draft prospect more than a free agent.

With a college kid, you’re evaluating everything to project how they’ll play in the pros.

With Jackson, you have plenty of NFL tape to decide if it’s a problem or not.

kccrow 02-23-2025 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17977501)
I understand holding short arms against a draft prospect more than a free agent.

With a college kid, you’re evaluating everything to project how they’ll play in the pros.

With Jackson, you have plenty of NFL tape to decide if it’s a problem or not.

Agree.

If they are a draft prospect and I see under 33-3/4" for an OT prospect, I'm worried a bit. You really want 34"+ but I give the measurement a margin for error of +/- 1/4" because it's such an imperfect thing.

If a guy comes in under 34", he better be technically sound, have really great footwork, and some mass to anchor.

Will Campbell is this year's hmmm. I think he's easily the best OT in the draft but that arm length... what if it comes in at 32-1/4 or something like that?

T-post Tom 02-24-2025 12:19 AM

My parole agent’s first wife knows the wet nurse for a real estate agent that claims Ronnie Stanley was seen dropping a deuce at a Kohl’s in Leawood. To the ship mother****ers!

ThyKingdomCome15 02-24-2025 12:44 AM

The answer can't be a rookie or somebody on the roster.

Balto 02-24-2025 03:00 AM

I’m seeing 33 7/8 at his Pro Day. This isn’t bad at all.

Wisconsin_Chief 02-24-2025 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 17977361)
Did we sign this piece of shit yet?

Just saw Ty Law at the local storage units here in Green Bay.

The deal is done!

Dunerdr 02-24-2025 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThyKingdomCome15 (Post 17977707)
The answer can't be a rookie or somebody on the roster.

Kind of disagree. You might not like it but I think there’s a possibility that they polish Kingsley up and let him take his lumps.

kcgreene 02-24-2025 08:43 AM

Updated Post to include Height, Weight, Arm and Hand measurements per their NFL Combine on all potential free agents, including links to their original NFL Prospect Profile.

duncan_idaho 02-24-2025 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Balto (Post 17977715)
I’m seeing 33 7/8 at his Pro Day. This isn’t bad at all.

Yeah, if Jackson's arm length is 33 3/4, there's really no reason to be concerned about that, and it makes the ease with which he handles speed to power and long arms a little more normal or sensible.

It's going to come down to how the Chiefs think he fits, and how much money he commands.

But to me, he's far and away the only "big money" option in FA in which I have any interest. Far superior to Stanley - who is too big an injury risk for a large financial commitment, to me - or Robinson - who just isn't as good as the money he is going to command.

smithandrew051 02-24-2025 10:04 AM

His arm length is all over the place online.

Anywhere from 32 1/2 to 33 7/8.

I’m typically a trust Reid/Veach guy, but they may just want to reconsider their obsession with arm length given the state of LT since Fisher. Just get a good player.

And no, it hasn’t stopped the Chiefs from winning 2 Super Bowls and going to the last 3. So this isn’t a complaint. Just an observation that arm length shouldn’t be the determining factor with this specific FA at a position of need.

Chris Meck 02-24-2025 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17977849)
His arm length is all over the place online.

Anywhere from 32 1/2 to 33 7/8.

I’m typically a trust Reid/Veach guy, but they may just want to reconsider their obsession with arm length given the state of LT since Fisher. Just get a good player.

And no, it hasn’t stopped the Chiefs from winning 2 Super Bowls and going to the last 3. So this isn’t a complaint. Just an observation that arm length shouldn’t be the determining factor with this specific FA at a position of need.

I tend to agree with you. We'll see what they do.

smithandrew051 02-24-2025 10:06 AM

Wanya Morris has 35” arms.

Bernhard Raimann has 32 7/8” arms.

Just get a good player.

kcgreene 02-24-2025 10:23 AM

Personally, the more I look at the market, I'm leaning on Wills, if our training staff feels we can keep him healthy. He's good when he's been healthy, but that's what it all breaks down to.

I'd be lying if I said I wasn't interested in taking a flyer to lock up Jaylon Moore for a few years relatively cheap.

Personally, I just think that the 4 that appeal to me the most (Armstead [if he is cut for cap purposes], Robinson, Stanley, and Jackson) are going to be absurdly priced.

rfaulk34 02-24-2025 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 17976323)
You guys are gonna flip when he’s got a better market than that. People only want Jackson because he’s a perceived discount. If he’s starter good it won’t be on a discount. Not to mention he has extremely short arms. Shorter than thuneys.

Yep. When the bidding starts, that 16 will go up. Taylor was 12-14 when he was a free agent and you guys signed him for 20.

GordonGekko 02-24-2025 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 17977892)
Yep. When the bidding starts, that 16 will go up. Taylor was 12-14 when he was a free agent and you guys signed him for 20.

Veach will get the money if they think he is the answer

T-post Tom 02-24-2025 10:56 AM

I have 34 inch arms & will play for the vet min. My talent level is way below most high schoolers, but I’m a great locker room guy.

RunKC 02-24-2025 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17977853)
Wanya Morris has 35” arms.

Bernhard Raimann has 32 7/8” arms.

Just get a good player.

Kingsley was an ideal LT on paper but didn’t know how to use his hands or leverage. 31 bench reps is incredible for a lineman and he got walked into Mahomes by Trey Hendrickson bc of his poor technique/leverage.

Conversely Mitch Schwartz had G arm length at only 33 1/2 and he was amazing bc he did what Kingsley could not do: utilize his hands and maintain excellent technique.

That’s why I think Alaric Jackson is interesting

St. Patty's Fire 02-24-2025 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by T-post Tom (Post 17977924)
I have 34 inch arms & will play for the vet min. My talent level is way below most high schoolers, but I’m a great locker room guy.

basically gehrig deiter

kcgreene 02-25-2025 12:18 PM

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/...e/80249143007/

The Dolphins are operating as if Terron Armstead will not be returning due to retirement.
"As a result, I think we have to operate as though he won't play." per McDaniel. So potentially could see them cutting him before the league year if he hasn't made a decision yet to save money before free agency and the draft.

DJ's left nut 02-25-2025 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 17976323)
You guys are gonna flip when he’s got a better market than that. People only want Jackson because he’s a perceived discount. If he’s starter good it won’t be on a discount. Not to mention he has extremely short arms. Shorter than thuneys.

Not really.

If the Chiefs are after him, they're convinced that what he did in LA is repeatable here.

And if he can do here what he did there, I'd be just fine giving him $18-20 million for 4 or 5 years to be done with the problem for a half-decade.

Overpaying for Jackson makes more sense than paying market for Smith by a damn sight.

kcgreene 03-03-2025 09:09 AM

Updated Alaric Jackson status and Updated Arm and Hand Measurements of Draft Prospects in Original Post.

In58men 03-03-2025 09:53 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bengals have released veteran G Alex Cappa.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1896589115866730769?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 3, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

smithandrew051 03-03-2025 12:20 PM

With Jackson off the table, I’ve moved on to Jaylon Moore

Balto 03-03-2025 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by kcgreene (Post 17979243)
https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/...e/80249143007/

The Dolphins are operating as if Terron Armstead will not be returning due to retirement.
"As a result, I think we have to operate as though he won't play." per McDaniel. So potentially could see them cutting him before the league year if he hasn't made a decision yet to save money before free agency and the draft.

Jesus if they cut him.....Would easily be the best bang for our buck to bring him in. Could probably get him a trade for cheap as well.

kcgreene 03-03-2025 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17985901)
With Jackson off the table, I’ve moved on to Jaylon Moore

Honestly, I low-key am big on Moore. I like Wills too, seems like a Veach guy, untapped high ceiling kind of deal... but I think Moore could be the diamond in the rough of this tackle market so to speak.

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Originally Posted by Balto (Post 17985949)
Jesus if they cut him.....Would easily be the best bang for our buck to bring him in. Could probably get him a trade for cheap as well.

I like Moore, I like Wills, but if Armstead frees up, we need to make it happen. He'd come in and immediately stabilize the left side.


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