did anyone else notice that Grbac actually looked at more than one receiver on the same play last week...at least on a few plays...seems he didn't zone in on one guy all the time like he normally does...I find this encouraging...now if only he'd learn to fall down instead of throwing stupid INTs...it could be interesting...

Still a Grbacker... http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/eek.gif

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58,
I myself, noticed Grbac looking off other receivers in the Indy game. At least four times.

I didn't think I was seeing things...usually he would throw to Gonzo no matter what...I just hope all the dropped balls don't make him go back to trying to throw only to one guy...I think he really got some confidence in Morris with the catches he made...Morris can make a QB look good....I'm excited to see him start and play...if we pass well Sunday...we win... http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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He didn't run out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage, either. http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/smile.gif

BTW, for better or worse, I'm breaking out the Grbac jersey for Sunday's game...DTs jersey has been retired and is now hanging proudly on my wall...

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Maybe in about 3 or 4 more years he'll be able to look at a 3rd receiver.

He might actually be able to look off a defense once or twice before he retires.

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B2, unfortunately, there was one play when I wish he would have.... http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/frown.gif

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joe
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I just hope the receivers wash the grease off their hand this time. http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/confused.gif

You are not wrong. On at least two plays not only did he look through three he went back to the start.
I know I'm in the minority but I saw a lot of good in the game sunday.

Oh sure... Where were you guys when Bob Dole was tooting the Grbacaphone yesterday? Huh? Huh?<P>

Clint, you are so right...

I never really appreciated Montana until he came to KC...I watched him go through his progressions and was amazed...it seemed like he would look at all receivers twice and then find the open guy and all this in 4 seconds or less...

If all EG can see is two, it's still better than one...

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joe
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Sorry Mr. Dole, I actually did some work yesterday.... http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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joe
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At work Bob.

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I may not be right,but I'm not wrong.:)

Oh yeah...use the "I was working" excuse. Nice.

In summary:

4:01pm

Bob Dole thought Elvis looked fine, and Bob Dole is convinced that he actually saw at least two instances where Elvis looked at one receiver, then looked to another and threw the ball to him.

4:20pm

It is pathetic that Bob Dole has to point that out. Bob Dole was actually pointing and screaming "Look! Look! His head moved!" in the bar.

The fact remains that it is an improvement, and E's stats would have looked pretty good were it not for the dropped balls (which, contrary to popular belief, are neither Elvis' nor Carl's fault).

4:30pm

And interestingly, had Carl not dropped those 8 passes, Elvis' QB rating would have been a quite satisfactory 100.8.

(This given that the 8 passes would have averaged 5.7 yards and Alexander's would have been a TD.)

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Let's just hope we see more of the same on Sunday. Mr. Dole, I was supporting you, I am not sure if I was on the same topics you were, but I was a Grbacker yesterday as well. Maybee we can get the recievers to start carrying fox traps on the field. That way, as long as the ball was thrown accurately, we would definately have a catch!!! I would hate to see the poor sucker that accidentally gets caught up in one of those in the DB. http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/eek.gif

Mr. Dole, your long political career has taught you to document your actions well...no scandals in the Dole camp...I'm just glad that I'm not the only one who actually saw EG move his head... http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Can the receivers use stick 'em on their hands?...
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Some of those dropped balls were horribly off target. The ball thrown to Anders in the flat was thrown behind him. The drop Lockett had was horribly thrown and he had to try and make a tough acrobatic catch. One of Alexanders "drops" was thrown out of bounds, it would have been an impossible catch if he had made it.

There were 4 or 5 legitmate drops, the one thrown in the end-zone was a killer.

However, Elvis still sucks *** . Didn't any of you see the two consectutive overthrown passes on third and fourth down after that drop by Alexander in the closing minutes the game? The one on 4th down was especially atrocious because Lockett was wide open in the endzone.

Then there was the int over the middle that was returned for a touchdown. Grbac was about to get crushed, so to avoid contact he throws the ball over the middle not even knowing where it was going to go.

Grbac is a horribly imobile, inaccurate wuss that still makes rookie mistakes in his 8th season. The fact that he is just now learning to look at a second receiver is shows what a mistake it was to sign this dunce in the first place. <BR>

He actually did the same thing in the last preseason game, but everyone was more interested in talking about him spiking the ball.

We have not seen the best of Elvis yet, and I think many will be in for a pleasant surprise (or a humiliating realization).

Luz
thank goodness others are seeing the same thing...

Despite his detractors, Grbac is improving. I also saw him look to second and third recievers.

One thing that I didn't see very much of, and I am so glad I didn't, is his classic spin to the right and run for the sideline. Grbac actually stayed in the pocket much better.

Now, if he could learn to duck under the rush and pop back up and throw the TD...well that maybe asking too much...

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Yeah, You guys are right, he is improving. There were some good things he did during the game, but I'm afraid I'm leaning towards Cannibal's view.

This guy is an 8-year veteran. He makes way too many "rookie" mistakes.

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EG is 6'5...SM is 6'3...These guys already have some sync to them...What about hallfway through the season? Watch for this to become the big news...

I'm not a Grbasher/Grbacker, just an observer.

IMO, the thing that has become more obvious to me than not, is that it appears that Grbac has maxed his potential at QB. That is not all bad.

What is does mean, however, is that Grbac will not make the spectacular plays we are all waiting for him to make, he will look at 1-2 primary receivers most of the time, he will throw more TD's than INT's, he should not be counted on to win games, he will make more steady plays than boneheaded plays, he will never be flashy or fleet of foot, and he will never gain the respect of Chiefs fans until he QB's a winning playoff game.

Unfortunately, this isn't very sexy and won't do it for most fans, including myself. I want the QB to be the leader and playmaker on the team, something EG will never be. He would make a good starting QB for some teams (not the Chiefs), and an excellent backup for any team. JMHO.

ChiTown, I agree completely. Grbac is a marginally serviceable QB who is out of place as a starter, even though he does have infrequent "good" days. He would be an ideal backup on a team with a franchise QB. I expect him to get bounced around the league quite a bit after he's released or traded by KC during the next offseason.

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I pretty much agree with everyone that EG is trying to improve and I back him. IMO, I feel that Elvis would have been a very good qb in a very good offensive system. Problem is, our offensive system is so outdated. Sucks that it doesn't look like we are going to change our offensive philosophy anytime soon. At least as long as Arrowhead Stadium is always full.

I'm still holding out hope that someday we will see an aggressive attacking style offense. We will have to leapfrog 50 years of offensive philosophy to do it though. Getting rid of JR would be a start.

Dan<P>

This one's for Cannibal...

I agree that EG overthrew the 3rd and 4th down passes horribly...if he puts some air under the ball like a fade is suppose to be thrown, we get a TD anyway...what I've seen Elvis do, that is one of his main faults, is that he let's the last play bother him too much...he let the TD drop to Alexander bother him so he wasn't focused enough to throw the ball right to Lockett...however...I still think he can lead us where we want to go...problem is he doesn't have anymore room for error...he's had his formative years, now it's time to perform...

ChiTown, you are right on the money...everyone, including myself and I'm a big time Grbacker, expects him to make those spectacular plays...like the pass over the middle that went for and INT but could have been completed to our WR if EG had an arm like Elway or Talent like Montana...I can be happy with a vanilla QB...from the boos I heard, most can not....



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joe
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Bob Dole thought the same thing about the 2 passes following Alexander's drop, Miata Man. (Though admittedly, Bob Dole was 7 Bloody Marys and 3 pints of Guiness into it at that point...) EG still lets things get to him.

Bob Dole has never been a big fan of any Elvis other than Costello, but has come to grips with the fact that EG is Bob Dole's favorite team's starting QB. That said, it is encouraging to see improvement, no matter how minor, and it's not going to do a d@mned bit of good to sit around and claim that he should have made these improvements 4 years ago...

Bob Dole still thinks that with proper play design and selection along with good receiver coaching and training, EG could be one of the better starters in the AFC.

Unfortunately, Martha Raye puts him in a LOT of bad situations where Bob Dole and his dog even know what the play is going to be, which means the defense definitely knows what the play is going to be, which means that Elvis ends up with a fleet of smothered receivers as targets. Not an easy task for any QB.

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I agree that the 3rd down ball was badly overthrown & wide. However, I think Grbac was throwing to a spot (the corner) and Lockett spent too much time at the LOS stuttering & making a move. It's a timing play & Lockett threw the timing off. I don't put that one on Grbac.

Grbac should see his target before he throws it. If the timing is thrown off by the WR, the QB needs to adjust...especially if he's got plenty of time.

That throw was one example of Elvis lack of improvisational ability.

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Grbac should see his target before he throws it. If the timing is thrown off by the WR, the QB needs to adjust...especially if he's got plenty of time.

That throw was one example of Elvis lack of improvisational ability.

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joe
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That's the whole idea of a timing pattern, though, Clint. The QB makes his drop, sets, & fires. It's the receiver's responsibility to be where he's supposed to. The pro of a timing pattern is that the defense doesn't have an opportunity to react quickly - the con is obviously, there is no opportunity for the QB to adjust because he's passing as soon as he completes his drop. That play was designed for Lockett all the way. Everyone else went to the right corner to pull the safeties. Locket blew that play, not Grbac. But it's not super important, we were under a minute and still needed another TD.

I went to U-M during Grbac's senior year... and with decent coaching (it doesn't have to be spectacular!) he performs! The year before I was there, he led the nation with a 169.0 passer efficiency rating while tossing 19 TD passes. The year I was there his rating was only slightly lower (150).

He has done very well at every level...(look at how well he played at San Fran) except under Jimmy Raye. I agree that he has a few problems...but it doesn't make sense to assume that he lost all of his skill the minute he signed with KC.

It makes alot more sense to assume that there might be other factors keeping him from performing...

--AustinChief

'My Aim is True'

That pass to Lockett was so far off...nobody could've caught that pass inbounds.

Maybe so, but thier could have been some defensive hands in the way. Maybe Lockett didn't run his route right. THere plenty of other factors to consider besides "He just threw it wrong!!!"

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