Bailey Rumors
 

Just read a recent post on Bailey on the Insiders.. It sounded like the Chiefs were closing in on a deal.. What have you guys heard?

Link: http://story.theinsiders.com/a.z?s=115&p=2&c=236269

I read that Gibbs was so-so on Bailey. Chiefs need this guy badly!!!!

Can't see the story...

I thought the 'skins just placed the tag on Bailey.......If that's the case what would it cost to trade for him.....?????

I'm not sure in a trade, that may be open to what ever is agreed upon. If we just signed him outright and they didn't match I think he would cost us two first rounders. Not 100% certain on that however.

here the story

By openly lobbying and permitting Bailey representatives to find a trade partner, the Redskins have found the niche to heighten the interest already generated with the opportunity presented to land a superior talent, such as Bailey. As the Detroit Lions have found out, getting into the Bailey game will be an expensive proposition.

Early bartering sessions conclude the Redskins are seeking a first and second round draft selection for what may be the best cornerback to have played the game since Deion Sanders. As the Lions continue to discuss deal with the Redskins and representatives for Bailey, they are not the only team that has done their homework.

“Right now, we’ll continue to see where it (Bailey talks) go, but the current price tag is steep,” Lions head coach Steve Mariucci said. “Getting a player of Champ Bailey’s ability can change the complexion of a defense, which is something that has to be evaluated.”

The Kansas City Chiefs have bounced back and forth about the notion of making a run for Bailey. What the Chiefs and other teams are concerned about is negotiating against themselves, which is something representatives for Bailey and the Washington Redskins say will not be the case.

“We have had some discussions about our position on Champ Bailey. He is a tremendous talent, which is why we have placed the franchise tag on him,” a Redskins representative said. “There are some ongoing discussions about Champ, but nothing is remotely close to getting done and I don’t know if anything will.

We are not in this seeking to deal Bailey, but if a team makes us an offer that fits the parameters we believe are appropriate, then we can move forward.”

Looking to shore-up their suspect defense, Kansas City has been lurking in the background in the Bailey sweepstakes. Though discussing the parameters and possibility of acquiring Bailey, the team has also been evaluating other cornerbacks that are much cheaper alternatives.

Troy Vincent of the Philadelphia Eagles is one defensive back the Kansas City Chiefs have had lengthy discussions about. Vincent is a solid player, but not of the caliber of Bailey. But, signing Vincent won’t cost the Chiefs a first and second round draft selection and he would be come at less of a salary cap hit for the team.

The Kansas City Chiefs could become a better defensive team by signing Vincent, but the bottom-line is from what we have been told is that the Chiefs want Bailey and they will continue to discuss the possibility with the Redskins.

Enamored with the potential to take an opponent’s top-receiver out of the game, the Chiefs have not been able to get past the notion of adding Bailey. Heading into the off-season, Kansas City did not have to undergo a salary purge to get under the league imposed salary cap. With the latest news from the league the salary-cap will be increased to slightly above 80-million dollars, the Chiefs may ultimately venture into un-chartered waters and secure the services of the best in the game, Champ Bailey. The Chiefs are committed, the Redskins are off-season players, if the Lions don’t get on the ball, and the game could be over in short order.

Thanks for the info........Two first rounders, let's see that's #30 this year and #32 next........Pull the trigger........

Sounds like good news, that it's us and the Lions according to this article, and the Lions are already talking about how their price is too steep. Bailey is young enough to help them in their rebuilding process, but you would have to think they ought to be keeping their picks because they have holes all over the field.

The way the Chiefs draft they may as well give up picks and make it happen.......That way they get aproven talent that can play next season vs. another guy to play sp. teams and watch from the sidelines.........

I look for the lions to pick a RB either Perry or Jones.........

Which pair of guys below is worth what Champ Bailey would be worth to us?

Chiefs #1 & #2 picks:

2003 - Larry Johnson, Kawika Mitchell
2002 - Ryan Sims, Eddie Freeman
2001 - (didn't pick until 3rd)
2000 - Eric Downing, Snoop Minnis
1999 - John Tait, Mike Cloud
1998 - Victor Riley, Rashaan Shehee
1997 - Tony Gonzalez, Kevin Lockett
1996 - Jerome Woods, Reggie Tongue
1995 - Trezelle Jenkins, Tamarick Vanover
1994 - Greg Hill, Donnell Bennett
1993 - (didn't pick until 3rd)
1992 - Dale Carter, Matt Blundin
1991 - Harvey Williams, Joe Valerio
1990 - Percy Snow, Time Grunhard
1989 - Derrick Thomas, Mike Elkins

The only one i see there that Champ Bailey would've been worth for is in 96 when we drafted Woods and Tongue. Thats the only one.

Didn't Bad Guy say that insiders stuff is just a bunch of recycled crap from profootballtalk.com and rumors?

The insiders board is about making money. I posted this several times, but I know one of the guys that started Insiders up, and he has, let's just say, a shady background in sports reporting.

Yawn...I'm going back to bed.

I know this isn't the most credible source,but The Chiefs should pull the trigger on this.You would think with players like Crockett they would have learned their lessons.It may cost a little more but in the long-run we will be money ahead.The position will be solidified for the next seven years and we won't have to worry about finding a premier CB or taking a cap hit because his play has deteriorated.Even looking at from strictly a business standpoint,the Chiefs will defintely sell more tickets,merchandise,ect...and show the fans that they are committed to going all the way.This is a no-brainer,get Champ Bailey.

I don't mind giving up two first round picks for Champ Bailey. It's the money he will command that scares me. I want John Tait and Jerome Woods back. Especially John Tait. If Bailey is going to command so much money that we cannot re-sign our own, then I don't want him.

But are CP & company really worried about the long run.........??????

You would think some of the players might step and rework their deals to free up some $$$$$$

Even in the short-term, Bailey is the best fit.

A couple of these are difficult given that one of the picks was great and the other was not so great...

I would say for sure, I'd rather have the '89, '96, and '97 over Bailey. Would even take '92 because while Carter was with us he functioned well as a top "shut down" corner. '90 and '99 would be a tough call--for its hard to tell what the team would have been like with out Grunhard and will be like without Tait. I think there's a lot of potential in that 2002 draft that could end up being big for us...so keep them as well.

I believe in 2000 we actually took Sly Morris and Snoop was a thrid rounder in 2001...either way they both thus far have panned out the same and weren't worth it. So that one and the rest...heck ya'...trade away...

I'm not into giving up a 1st and 2nd round pick for the short term. I know our picks haven't been great, but Bailey will command a lot of money. If we were to give up a 1 and 2 for him, I want more than a couple of years out of him.

Think? I expect it. We have some talent on offense that deserves to be paid then we have some pay on offense that deserves better talent...there should be some willingness though in both cases if these guys are serious about their "team" talk and really wanting to get to the big dance...

I guess we'll see, won't we...

Let's hope so. We should enough to sign Tait, Woods and Bailey with the extra $2mil added to the cap though. That would put us at about $6mil under. Woods is counting a pretty good lick against the cap right now so if we can re-sign him we should have even more room to work with. I think the we can't afford anyone but our own FAs is a ruse.

PhilFree :arrow:

Or we could throw around the transition an franchise tags...

Good points and the way I see it is Bailey would be our first rounder.Not a bad return for the 30th overall pick,eh?A GUARANTEED Pro Bowler 4 times running.Picking at 30 overall doesn't guarantee anything for us.Bailey is PROVEN.Some of the more recent articles indicate we could get Bailey for less than two first rounders.I don't think the picks are the obstacle.The money is the sticking point,but even then with only a two year window,the Chiefs should be more than willing to solidify the defense.I think the Chiefs should be willing to give more in a signing bonus,which is guaranteed money, in an effort to land him.

as far as the AFC West is concerned, do the Chiefs really need a Champ Bailey?

I agree,........It also opens up the possibility that CP & company will mortgage the future to win now.....I don't buy for a minute that they'll stand pat and not make a big play, the future is now.......

I said LONG-TERM originally,The only reason I mentioned short-term is because LVNHACK mentioned it.When I say short-term I'm referring to Vermeil's and Carl's window to get it done,not the length of contract.I would FULLY EXPECT Bailey to be signed to a long-term deal.

Since when did we set out merely to win the AFC West?

Thats 3 of 15 years........Those aren't good odds.........

Good post. I agree with you that the picks aren't the issue. Like I said, I would give up two first round picks for Champ Bailey, but how much money will he command? Maybe Bailey would take less to come to a contender? Maybe guys like Morton would restructure? Either way, I don't see Carl Peterson making this type of deal. It's just too good to be true.

I think wining the AFC West is the first goal to make the playoffs & Champ is money over spent, that could be spent elsewhere IMO

Carl's been manipulating the cap for years--methinks he can do it with the best of 'em...and if Bailey wants to sign for too much...Carl can handle it...

"STFD and STFU, Champ! I got you out of that hole called Washington, now we're going to do things my way or we'll trade you to the Cardinals!"

:)

There are some good receivers in the AFC West and besides that we play alot of damn good receivers next year,outside of the AFC West.It's not just about the AFC West.It's about having the best chance of going to the Super Bowl and winning it all.

True...but as we saw this year winning the AFC West, even getting a bye-week and playing at home in the first game doesn't do a thing if your defense can't match up with other teams offenses in the post season...

Couldn't agree more............

we already have high paid stars in Tony G , Priest & the O line. We don't have to have the very best, it would be nice. IMO just don't see it as realistic

I can't believe it..............Football talk on the Planet.........

and just a middle of the road defense would have done wonders

you actually think that John Tait and Jerome Woods are worth more than Champ Bailey?

give me Champ Bailey,Shaunard Harts and marcus Spears in the starting lineup over Warfield,Tait,Woods.

the ability to lock down 1 on 1 consistantly on defense is Huge


depends on whether the money bailey wants is just so crazy that it kills the rest of the team.

you just can't afford to give randy moss money out and handcuff the rest of the team.

Big money is fine .... 1/4 of the cap for 1 player is not

We could have Bailey if we WANTED him,it's just a matter of paying him.

YEAH BUT A KICK-A** DEFENSE WOULD HAVE BROUGHT HOME THE TROPHY

True...but I think what has some of us salivating is the thought that with the coaching change combined with this one player from another team's stock has the potential of bumping us up to better than middle-of-the-road...not a guarentee...but sometimes that's all it takes...

Rep to all for actually partcipating in an active Football thread. :thumb:

Dan Synder-itis:)

& if he gets injured:banghead:

Not quite.......But one oe twp impact type players on D would push the Chiefs over the top IMO.......

How? The Colts woulda still torched a middle of the road D. We need a good D that has a player or two who consistently shuts down the other teams WRs and gets pressure on the QB. We need players who have the ability to step up when it's crunch time. I'd trade for Bailey and start blitzing the QB.

PhilFree :arrow:
~doesn't want to strive for a middle of the road D~

Couldn't agree more........A solid CB and a strong pass rush would be great

get some one cheaper & we can have a WR & Henson

~my spelling is rally6 bad today

He's NEVER Missed a game in the pros.Besides it's not something you can control.Plus he will still be on the team for years to come.The injury comment an EXCUSE not to go after him.

I aslo want Tait back but we have plenty of safeties on this roster that Gun can get the job done with (most of them attempting futilely to play CB). So getting Wesley back is not as critical.

Ahhhhh, Jim, ......Don't you mean Woods....????? Wesley is already resigned........... :p

Getting Wesley back??He's already signed on.Do you mean Woods?

I just hate having all that money tied up in one player, Warfield resigned when CBs were hard to find

I wouldn't totally disagree with that tact but sometimes you get what you pay for. Bailey is just to young and to good :)

PhilFree :arrow:

How many difference makers do we have on defense? None, IMO. Sims could/should be, with a good scheme and a little help. Fujita, Barber and Woods are good players, but not difference-makers the way Priest and Gonzo (and maybe Roaf and Shields) are on offense.

Champ is a difference-maker. He takes an offensive chess piece off the board.

I would rather trade two 1st-rounders (04 and 05) than two pix this year (1st and 2nd or 3rd). I'd like to keep this year's 2nd and 3rd for a shot at Kaeding and either a defensive player or a WR.

But I agree, I think the contract money is the bigger obstacle than the trading parameters.

there is also the business side, you have to keep a team winning to keep ALL( fair weather) fans coming to games & buying gear.

If we can get this done, we should. No doubt in my mind...only two, or maybe three of those draft's listed would even compare....Thomas, Gonzalez, and maybe 1996...that's it for me.

He'd be an immediate impact player. Can we afford him though....I'm not holding my breath. :hmmm:

I'm not sure of where you're going with that in relation to signing Bailey. We already are winning in the regular season now we need playoff wins. Bailey should help us win agaisnt the good teams which will keep the stadium full. And full during the playoffs too!

PhilFree :arrow:

Looking at it from the business side.The Chiefs would most likely sell more merchandise because they are showing the fans that they are committed to winning.I know if they sign Bailey I will definitely be getting a new Chiefs Jersey with the name Bailey on it,how about you?

Your having alot of money tied up in one player is more of a legitimate argument,IMO,but I'll still believe that Bailey is worth the money.Did you see Bailey SHUT DOWN Marvin Harrison in the Pro Bowl.I sure would have liked to have seen that at Arrowhead,we could have gone further and that's the main goal,right?

Yup duh.

T-Rich, Roaf, Shields, Green all are getting long in the tooth. Maintaning the O & building a better D. Champ may cost to much

Yes we can afford him. The key is it has to be a long term deal. :thumb:

I buy Chiefs gear but, not with any players name on it. I just think he will end up costing too much.

If there is one piece of a defensive puzzle that you could plug in to make the most impact on any average defense it would be a shut-down corner (a stud DE a close second). A shut-down corner will instantly make the rest of the secondary better by not having to worry about that side of the field.

I would be for giving Bailey the money that would be given to Woods (plus more, of course) and let Woods go to the highest bidder. We have "ok" depth at safety, and we have even thrown around the possibility of moving one of our current CBs to safety (that would be a switch :)) adding even more depth.

Make the deal. Please, make the deal.

and your all about Mediocre-itis



strive to be good enough to JUST win the afc west ... strive to be good but not great.


you related to King Carl?

And those are the reasons to pull off a deal for Bailey..........

King Carl has got to love what NE has done this year.
He will be touting the copycat league line:)

Why couldn't we just franchise tag Tait and trasistion tag Woods?

yea, but the only problem is he isn't as good as new england

he can't draft a team good enough to win the super bowl ... he's lucky to draft players who are good enough to stay in the league.

oh no I'm turning into the Denise of this thread :(
To keep winning you have to keep getting good back ups. The win it all now is what fans want. But put out a loosing team & you can not hike ticket prices, not as high any way.

tags tie up cap money ... so the money issue stays the same.


and i don't think you can the franchise and transition tag in the same year.

dupe

If you remember that's what DV said when they decided to let Donnie Edwards go.......That's been 2 or 3 years ago and the Chiefs still need help on D..........



Call Morten in and tell him he needs to restructure.............

OK what do you suggest........?????

I assume you meant Morton asi in Johnny not Morten as in Anderson.:p

well the franchise tag allows you to get the player to sign a 1 year deal worth the average for that position/expereince...so not too much cap room...I dunno about the transistion tag, cuz I don't think CP has ever used it ...I'll do some research...brb

Transition tag allows you to match any offer the player recieves from another team.....I haven't seen anything that says you cannot use both in at the same time

Anderson should just retire ...