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googlegoogle 09-27-2010 01:28 PM

Metrosports Danan Hughes "Receivers can't get open"
 
Said we need to find ways for them to shove off to get open.

That's why we don't air it out. That's why Cassel looks bad.

Next draft we need a receiver.

Buehler445 09-27-2010 01:30 PM

LOL WUT
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'Hamas' Jenkins 09-27-2010 01:30 PM

That's bull****. I will say that Chris Chambers is making a run for offensive LVP. Of course, he got paid, so that's to be expected.

KCUnited 09-27-2010 01:31 PM

FWIW, he was saying the exact same thing last season as well.

RustShack 09-27-2010 01:31 PM

Imagine if we had a true elite #1 receiver to go with bowe, mccluster, moeaki, and our running game.

DaneMcCloud 09-27-2010 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 7043842)
That's bull****. I will say that Chris Chambers is making a run for offensive LVP. Of course, he got paid, so that's to be expected.

And he married his stalker (which was the reason he was dumped in San Diego - too much drama).

Reerun_KC 09-27-2010 01:32 PM

Not again....

Chiefs Pantalones 09-27-2010 01:32 PM

It's half. The times I've seen WRs open, Cassel has gotten nailed. The times I've seen Cassel with time, he wouldn't hit the open man. It's not all one's fault.

DeezNutz 09-27-2010 01:33 PM

****. Can't we just enjoy being 3-0? Have you ever tried to get separation from an NFL CB or been a HC or GM of an NFL team? Sad.

Dave Lane 09-27-2010 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 7043842)
That's bull****. I will say that Chris Chambers is making a run for offensive LVP. Of course, he got paid, so that's to be expected.

Its funny he caught a pass Sunday and I thought who the hell is 84? He's been invisible.

BigChiefFan 09-27-2010 01:36 PM

Adding a Vincent Jackson to this offense would keep OC's up at night.

Hug it Out Dan 09-27-2010 01:36 PM

I would say the next draft we need to look at WR.

As well as LB, OL, DL, and QB

suds79 09-27-2010 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7043857)
****. Can't we just enjoy being 3-0? Have you ever tried to get separation from an NFL CB or been a HC or GM of an NFL team? Sad.

Just because people are talking about parts of the team that could be improved doesn't mean we're not happy to be 3-0.

Just sayin.

Molitoth 09-27-2010 01:38 PM

Cassel has had numerous attempts at hitting open receivers, but the ball sails way over thier heads.

Dante84 09-27-2010 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laces Out Dan (Post 7043869)
I would say the next draft we need to look at WR.

As well as LB, OL, DL, and QB

It's nice that the list is getting smaller

Pitt Gorilla 09-27-2010 01:40 PM

This has been a fairly evident problem for the past two years. We need a #1 WR.

DeezNutz 09-27-2010 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suds79 (Post 7043877)
Just because people are talking about parts of the team that could be improved doesn't mean we're not happy to be 3-0.

Just sayin.

I could be wrong, but it's tough to improve upon 3-0.

Constant bitching. I don't even want to participate in this thread. Why are you all talking about this?

DaneMcCloud 09-27-2010 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7043857)
****. Can't we just enjoy being 3-0? Have you ever tried to get separation from an NFL CB or been a HC or GM of an NFL team? Sad.

LMAO

Reerun_KC 09-27-2010 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 7043885)
This has been a fairly evident problem for the past two years. We need a #1 WR.

This...

Bowe is not a #1....

clyde05 09-27-2010 01:47 PM

hughes is just mad because he could never get open

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-27-2010 01:50 PM

We don't need a true #1 WR, we need a true franchise QB and a WR who can stretch the field vertically. A Johnny Knox or Mike Wallace would round out this offense just fine from a skill position standpoint.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-27-2010 01:51 PM

Larry Fitzgerald looks like shit when Derek Anderson is throwing him passes.

It's not a coincidence.

OnTheWarpath15 09-27-2010 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 7043909)
We don't need a true #1 WR, we need a true franchise QB and a WR who can stretch the field vertically. A Johnny Knox or Mike Wallace would round out this offense just fine from a skill position standpoint.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 7043913)
Larry Fitzgerald looks like shit when Derek Anderson is throwing him passes.

It's not a coincidence.

These.

DeezNutz 09-27-2010 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 7043909)
We don't need a true #1 WR, we need a true franchise QB and a WR who can stretch the field vertically. A Johnny Knox or Mike Wallace would round out this offense just fine from a skill position standpoint.

How the **** are we going to come up with one of these? We're ****ed.

Deberg_1990 09-27-2010 01:55 PM

Yep....Danan Hughes knows all about below average WR's

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-27-2010 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7043917)
How the **** are we going to come up with one of these? We're ****ed.

Trade our 2nd and 3rd round draft picks in the 2011 draft. They aren't worth anything, anyway.

Pitt Gorilla 09-27-2010 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 7043924)
Trade our 2nd and 3rd round draft picks in the 2011 draft. They aren't worth anything, anyway.

:spock:

Red Dawg 09-27-2010 02:20 PM

I've been saying this since last season. It's 2001 all over again witn Trent. He also got blamed for everything becasue our WR's have no speed to separate. If they did then they would get open. Fire Chambers and put a young speedster out there and you'll see a difference.

DeezNutz 09-27-2010 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 7043924)
Trade our 2nd and 3rd round draft picks in the 2011 draft. They aren't worth anything, anyway.

Not quite worthless; there's a 2.5% chance of getting a halfway decent gunner.

But you're now posting like a real fan. Definitely worthy of a Chiefs hat with the long gold and red tassels that hung down like a braid mullet.

Titty Meat 09-27-2010 02:24 PM

If we draft Blaine Gabbert this team will win 8 super bowls

Red Dawg 09-27-2010 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 7043913)
Larry Fitzgerald looks like shit when Derek Anderson is throwing him passes.

It's not a coincidence.

WTF are you talking about? Besides the flee flicker when have you seen a WR of ours catch a ball and not get nailed right after? It doesn't happen because they are as slow as Betty White.

DeezNutz 09-27-2010 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 7044009)
WTF are you talking about? Besides the flee flicker when have you seen a WR of ours catch a ball and not get nailed right after? It doesn't happen because they are as slow as Betty White.

McCluster.

Bowe has been decent in KC, but he can perform only with sub-par QBs at the helm. Once we "improved" that position, it made sense that he fell off a bit.

Hammock Parties 09-27-2010 02:28 PM

As soon as Tony Gonzalez left, our wide receivers stopped getting open.

Food for thought.

DeezNutz 09-27-2010 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 7044023)
As soon as Tony Gonzalez left, our wide receivers stopped getting open.

Food for thought.

Such bullshit.

Hell, didn't you gif up a wide the **** open Bowe just last week?

Hammock Parties 09-27-2010 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7044027)
Such bullshit.

Hell, didn't you gif up a wide the **** open Bowe just last week?

Oh, that's true.

But I don't think Danan Hughes would lie to support Cassel would you? Is he dumb? He's at the games, he sees the secondary.

Gonzalez affected coverage every week.

Bowe has fallen off since Gonzalez left, and Chambers is getting old. WR tend to fall off a cliff dramatically when they get old.

I wouldn't just dismiss Hughes' comments.

DeezNutz 09-27-2010 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 7044033)
Oh, that's true.

But I don't think Danan Hughes would lie to support Cassel would you? Is he dumb? He's at the games, he sees the secondary.

Gonzalez affected coverage every week.

Bowe has fallen off since Gonzalez left, and Chambers is getting old. WR tend to fall off a cliff dramatically when they get old.

I wouldn't just dismiss Hughes' comments.

I'd say it's entirely possible that he's a ****ing moron, though that doesn't have to dismiss his point.

Whenever you take away a talent like Gonzo, there will necessarily be a drop off. Dude always demanded double-teams. But "stopped getting open"? Disagree.

Hammock Parties 09-27-2010 02:39 PM

Bowe is the biggest threat we have in the passing game. Teams stopped rolling safeties to Gonzalez and started rolling them to Bowe.

It's entirely possible it ****ed his shit up.

I really don't like dismissing comments about our wide receivers made by former NFL wide receivers, even if they made a career out of playing punt gunner.

Just Passin' By 09-27-2010 02:40 PM

This has been the case since last year.

Titty Meat 09-27-2010 02:42 PM

If we had TJ Moe in there Bowe would be getting open. That guy is like Jordan Shipley.

dirk digler 09-27-2010 02:44 PM

It is not a real shocking statement considering we don't have any speed guys except McCluster. And maybe it is just me but it seems he lines up alot in the backfield as a RB then he does in the slot.

DeezNutz 09-27-2010 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 7044049)
This has been the case since last year.

Hmm...this time frame seems to coincide with something else, too.

dirk digler 09-27-2010 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 7044045)
Bowe is the biggest threat we have in the passing game. Teams stopped rolling safeties to Gonzalez and started rolling them to Bowe.

It's entirely possible it ****ed his shit up.

I really don't like dismissing comments about our wide receivers made by former NFL wide receivers, even if they made a career out of playing punt gunner.

Bowe is slow as molasses. You never see that guy run free ever.

Mr. Laz 09-27-2010 02:50 PM

its "D, All of the above"

sometimes:
the Oline doesn't protect well
the WR's don't get open
Cassel doesn't see the open guy
Cassel can't make the throw to an open guy
the WR's drop the ball when he does make the throw

you rotate all these things and the passing game is going to be inconsistent as ****

you can also throw in a game plan that gets conservative because of all those problems so it gives less opportunities in general.

Hammock Parties 09-27-2010 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 7044076)
Bowe is slow as molasses. You never see that guy run free ever.

He beat a lot of single coverage when Gonzalez was here.

He had a terrific rookie season and his 08 was pretty good.

I'm not saying Cassel doesn't contribute to his problems but....

dirk digler 09-27-2010 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 7044081)
He beat a lot of single coverage when Gonzalez was here.

He had a terrific rookie season and his 08 was pretty good.

I'm not saying Cassel doesn't contribute to his problems but....

He is a possession receiver. he is never going to break any long ones unless the whole D falls down and can't get back up.

Hammock Parties 09-27-2010 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 7044095)
He is a possession receiver. he is never going to break any long ones unless the whole D falls down and can't get back up.

There's nothing wrong with that. Cris Carter was a possession receiver.

Right now Bowe isn't even a good possession receiver. He has 7 catches in three games.

dirk digler 09-27-2010 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 7044100)
There's nothing wrong with that. Cris Carter was a possession receiver.

Right now Bowe isn't even a good possession receiver. He has 7 catches in three games.

I didn't say there was anything wrong with it but in today's NFL in order to be a true #1 you have to be a game breaker and he is not.

Hammock Parties 09-27-2010 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 7044119)
I didn't say there was anything wrong with it but in today's NFL in order to be a true #1 you have to be a game breaker and he is not.

See, I'm not even concerned about that.

All I want from Bowe is 70 catches for 1,000 yards.

Right now he's on pace for about 600 yards.

Mecca 09-27-2010 03:09 PM

Chambers is right back to where he was before...good on his rookie contract, gets paid goes blah, is blah in San Diego..good here then re-signs and blah again.

I'd like to draft a WR but I'm not expecting to be in position for that now.

Mr. Laz 09-27-2010 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 7044100)
There's nothing wrong with that. Cris Carter was a possession receiver.

Right now Bowe isn't even a good possession receiver. He has 7 catches in three games.

tbh part of that is because we didn't throw at all the 1st game and didn't throw much the 2nd.

If we add some speed to press the safeties it would help Bowe alot.

we still have to take our shots deep to force the defense to play honest.

dirk digler 09-27-2010 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 7044139)
See, I'm not even concerned about that.

All I want from Bowe is 70 catches for 1,000 yards.

Right now he's on pace for about 600 yards.

And about 35 catches. God that is pathetic for supposedly your #1 WR.

Mecca 09-27-2010 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 7044154)
And about 35 catches. God that is pathetic for supposedly your #1 WR.

We're never going to have a prolific passing game with this QB, just get use to it for awhile.

Psyko Tek 09-27-2010 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 7043879)
Cassel has had numerous attempts at hitting open receivers, but the ball sails way over thier heads.

So, you are saying we need to draft REALLY TALL wide receivers

Titty Meat 09-27-2010 03:18 PM

I'd like to see them develope Horne he's got the size and speed.

googlegoogle 09-27-2010 03:20 PM

Dwayne lost too much weight?

Deberg_1990 09-27-2010 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 7044144)
I'd like to draft a WR but I'm not expecting to be in position for that now.

Yes because no good WR's are ever found below the 1st round.

dirk digler 09-27-2010 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 7044157)
We're never going to have a prolific passing game with this QB, just get use to it for awhile.

I would think Bowe would be perfect for Cassel considering how big he is and is not like they are going to ask Bowe to run the go route.

dirk digler 09-27-2010 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billay (Post 7044164)
I'd like to see them develope Horne he's got the size and speed.

I agree

Mecca 09-27-2010 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 7044167)
Yes because no good WR's are ever found below the 1st round.

Way to take what I said completely out of context, we all know what the WR 1st round class looks like this coming year.

OnTheWarpath15 09-27-2010 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 7044045)
Bowe is the biggest threat we have in the passing game. Teams stopped rolling safeties to Gonzalez and started rolling them to Bowe.

It's entirely possible it ****ed his shit up.

I really don't like dismissing comments about our wide receivers made by former NFL wide receivers, even if they made a career out of playing punt gunner.

You've seen two games live at Arrowhead from the best vantage point in the house.

You'd be lying if you said you haven't seen several instances in each of those games where at least one WR - sometimes more - running open, only to have Cassel throw the ball elsewhere.

I've seen it. You've seen it. Flopnuts has seen it. ChiefsCountry has seen it.

It's not coincidence.

Phobia 09-27-2010 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7044042)
I'd say it's entirely possible that he's a ****ing moron, though that doesn't have to dismiss his point.

Whenever you take away a talent like Gonzo, there will necessarily be a drop off. Dude always demanded double-teams. But "stopped getting open"? Disagree.

No, Danan is not a moron. But he is a guy who focuses on the positive and tries to encourage players. He's been saying this for a long time. I'd think he should know.

chop 09-27-2010 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clyde05 (Post 7043902)
hughes is just mad because he could never get open

I was going to say this :D. The shoe's on the other foot now baby!

Dave Lane 09-27-2010 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7043887)
I could be wrong, but it's tough to improve upon 3-0.

Constant bitching. I don't even want to participate in this thread. Why are you all talking about this?

I guess for the same reason some people want to talk about JC not getting enough carries in a blowout win. Who knows makes no sense.

Rausch 09-27-2010 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 7044168)
I would think Bowe would be perfect for Cassel considering how big he is and is not like they are going to ask Bowe to run the go route.

Problem is Bowe couldn't catch the AIDS with two gallons of lube and a sash in San Fran...

-King- 09-27-2010 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7043857)
****. Can't we just enjoy being 3-0? Have you ever tried to get separation from an NFL CB or been a HC or GM of an NFL team? Sad.

Jeez, you really love this sarcastic bit huh? :facepalm:

Mr. Laz 09-27-2010 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing (Post 7044308)
Jeez, you really love this sarcastic bit huh? :facepalm:

much like Shaun Smith, he has an addicktion

Mr. Laz 09-27-2010 04:40 PM

isn't this Bowe's contract year? Will we give keep him?

Haley doesn't seem to think much of him


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