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A mock draft that will make your heads explode (https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=268335)

as stated in a post i made earlier i dont think we should use the #1 for a QB but if we do i definitely dont want Barkley and i am iffy on G Smith. Personally i like Bray. 6' 6" 215 with a rocket for an arm. needs a little work but i think he has a ton of upside.

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Originally Posted by Capt Tasty Cheeks (Post 9267247)

I still say we draft a punter #1 overall Exoter. We saw how valuable Colquitt was this year so I think we should let him walk and take the best punter on the board #1 overall. Agree?

If we could draft 22 Colquitts, I'd be in heaven.

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 9267311)

You never take a safety at #5 overall!!!!!!!!! NEVAR!!!!!

I Mean who does that?

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Originally Posted by Thig Lyfe (Post 9267361)

You're literally the only person in the world using this logic. Drafting a QB #1 is never "wasting a draft pick" even if the QB doesn't pan out; it's how 31 other goddamn teams in this league do business. It's how any legitimate team starts the rebuilding process. And the CBA means that you can draft a QB without the attendant risk of a bazillion dollar contract. There's literally no good reason to not draft a QB at #1 now, even if Luck and RGIII aren't available. YOU'RE GETTING THE MOST VALUABLE POSITION IN FOOTBALL AT A SUBSTANTIALLY LOWER PRICE. Using the #1 pick on a position that is 100x less valuable, like say ILB, makes no ****ing sense.

Of course, this will all be moot when Geno tears up the combine and all the so-called experts decide he's truly deserving of the top pick after all.

Funny how you're talking about value at that #1 pick now, see? I'm contagious! And yeah, I'm fully expecting Geno to go beastmode at the combine.

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9267411)

Background: I have never been a QB or bust guy with the Chiefs first-round pick. I have debated quite intensely at times on this board about the guys available to the Chiefs at No. 1 (speaking out markedly against Sanchez and also Matthew "Front Mullet/China Doll/One above-average season" Stafford).

But this year? In this draft that doesn't offer any other true impact options at the Chiefs pick? I'm a "draft-a-QB" guy.

I think expecting a QB of high value to fall to No. 33 might be a bit optimistic.

The Jaguars are likely bringing in Tebow, but it wouldn't surprise to see them take a REAL QB at No. 2.

The Raiders need a QB, unless they're pinning their hopes on one game of Terrelle Pryor (in which he posted a 70.1 QB rating - as a Chiefs fan, you hope for this, right?)

The Browns took Brandon Weeden a year ago, but he stinks ( and was a later 1st round pick).

The Cardinals need a QB more than any team not called the Chiefs.

The Bills could draft a QB. Ryan Fitzpatrick is just OK, and he's not a spring chicken (He's 30).

The Jets need a QB, as Sanchez is terrible and Tebow is likely gone.

The Chargers have an old and declining Philip Rivers (31) and might be looking to backfill.

That's seven other teams that could logically draft a QB based on need/opportunity. It doesn't account for smart teams (like the Patriots) that would draft a QB if they feel it's the best talent there.

I don't think there are THAT many QBs of equal talent level that you can EXPECT one to fall to No. 33. Especially THE guy. Best thing for the Chiefs would be someone like Jarvis Jones just completely blowing up at the combine, enough to separate himself as the clear No. 1 pick (Joekel works here, too). That would make it a little easier to trade down and get the QB they want, and maybe nab a few extra picks.

But if trading down doesn't work, overdrafting a QB in this draft is just fine, IMO. The only way KC can really mess this up, IMO, is drafting Manti Te'o at No. 1. Talk about overdrafting... nothing screams "BUST" as a No. 1 pick like a guy who lacks positional value, isn't an impact player at that position, and is an average CFB athlete at his position.

If you're going to overdraft a player, overdraft an impact position player (QB, pass rusher, cornerback - though there are none that fit the bill this year). Don't overdraft a position of limited impact that can be easily filled in later rounds.

We'll see how Joekel grades out as draft day nears. He's a truly elite pass blocker, but his lack of ability in run blocking (where he is just OK, not great) separates him, IMO, from guys like Joe Thomas, Jonathan Ogden, Orlando Pace, etc.

I think the Raiders will forgo QB, the Jaguars will do the same, no doubt about it. Bills will likely wait a few rounds to get a project QB to stick behind Fitz, Cleveland won't turn this fast on Weeden, and on and on.

This happens every year, people say X team and Y team need QB's, they're going to take one. Then 4 of those XYZ teams actually take a QB in the first two rounds. Why? Because it doesn't matter if the QB position is the most valuable and on paper you are getting the most valuable pick for the money, you still have to like the guy and think he fits your team, before you even take the next step. 3 QB's at max will be taken in the first round, likely 2 will go to teams in need of a QB, and the 3rd being taken by a team in need of a mechanically sound young gun to sit behind an aging vet. The saints are a GREAT example of a team who might actually take a QB in the first round or second round. You won't hurt Brees' pride, everyone in Louisiana knows that the Saints go nowhere without a QB and he's one of the best to ever play the position. Why not get your next guy in line behind one of the best? That's what the Patriots did when they snagged Mallet, arguably one of the best selections of that draft for them.

QB Talent will remain high going into the 2nd round, of that I have no doubt. Then again, I also doubt that we make it to the 2nd without already drafting a QB now that Reid is all but signed.

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Originally Posted by Narrow Head (Post 9267688)

no Geno in the first round. Not very realistic AT ALL, but....if you could get Geno in the second round--and it was guarenteed--who would you pick #1?

I'd like Geno a lot more at the top of round 2. There is some fantastic top end defensive talent. The Raiders are going to get Jarvis Jones I'm afraid. The Raiders and Jags should make out very well with the #2 and #3.

That 1st pick in round 2 is a 1st rounder value IMO...especially in what should be a pretty deep defensive draft. I also like some of the WR with late 1st round grades. We need talent at WR and 5th rounders is not the way to do that.[/QUOTE]

No linemen please, but we could use a fast route runner with decent size at the WR position.

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 9268410)

Yep bad year to have to pick at number 1.

Its never a bad year to have the #1 pick, it just isn't the best year to have it, 1 year late for us.

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Originally Posted by Cassel>Manning (Post 9269671)

This one would be interesting LMAO

The Chiefs pass on Geno, only to see Oakland take him two spots later.

DISCLAIMER for SNR: * I have never seen a mock from Optimum Scouting before, Matt Williamson recommended them on twitter, and after checking around they do scout for agents and "professional teams" but that could also mean the arena league. *

http://www.optimumscouting.com/draft...medium=twitter

**** NO

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Originally Posted by eclipse31satx (Post 9272167)

I'm on Bray's nuts right now, I like his upside quite a bit, but I haven't seen enough game film to be sold on the floor of his downside in terms of decision making as it transitions to the NFL level.

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Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 9272195)

i've liked what i've seen. there are some youtube highlights of a few of his games this year. he had some trouble near the end of the year but which of the college QBs this year didnt. i believe when this season started he was ranked the #3 QB behind barkley and g smith. most of the experts reports i have read on him love his agility, athleticism and his arm but they do say he will need a coach to bring him along. i agree in that his decision making will need some work.

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Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 9272195)

Ah, we have found the problem.

The floor absolutely does not matter for a potential staring QB. Zero. Less than zero. If he isn't a franchise QB, or on the arc to become one, then you need to be moving on to the next guy. It is worse to have the 18th best QB in the league than the 30th best. Why? Because you keep hoping the 18th best guy will get you there, but unless you have an elite once in decade defense, he never ever will. But you keep avoiding the decision to move on because he is just good enough to tease you.

The metric on which to draft is the %chance of becoming a franchise QB. If you don't have a franchise QB and you can draft a guy that is above 30% chance of becoming franchise, you pull the trigger with your first pick. Because if you don't have a franchise QB, your number 1 priority of your franchise is to get one. You keep rolling the dice until you hit.

I don't think Bray has the maturity to accept the coaching that he would need to become a franchise QB, but that is just a very knee jerk impression. I'd need to collect more data.

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Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 9272255)

I don't think Bray has the maturity to accept the coaching that he would need to become a franchise QB, but that is just a very knee jerk impression. I'd need to collect more data.

the so called experts have also said this. i cant judge his maturity but in my opinion he is every bit as good and possibly better than g smith and i know he's better than barkley with more upside. like all the QBs in this draft and as much as i like him i dont think he is #1 pick. i say again pick a non QB bad ass and get a QB in the 2nd round.

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Originally Posted by clyde05 (Post 9265370)

Hell, if this guy is spot on which is highly unlikely, just take Geno in 2nd round.

Hey! Thats what Mel Kiper says.....

(From Bill Williamson ESPN) Kiper thinks the Chiefs can be one of the top newsmakers in the draft even if they wait until the second round to take a quarterback. Here are his thoughts:

"Kansas City is in line to deliver a huge splash. The Chiefs draft No. 1 overall, and quarterback is a huge need. Right now, I don't have a QB rated among my top 20 overall players, but when that position is a major need, sometimes the value equation changes. That said, what if the Chiefs were to take Te'o with their first pick, and then target value at quarterback early in Round 2, landing them (Geno) Smith?"

This mock doesn't even have Mingo in the first, yet most have him as a top 5 pick.... smh

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Originally Posted by Xanathol (Post 9272336)

This mock doesn't even have Mingo in the first, yet most have him as a top 5 pick.... smh

Well, that is KnowMo for ya...

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Originally Posted by eclipse31satx (Post 9272278)

Just watching a little video, he uses a 3/4 delivery, carries the ball too low, and and has poor footwork. The latter two are coachable, but why hasn't he made progress on these issues to date? Tennessee only asks him to read one side of the field on most plays: two options and pick the best one. He'll be asked to do much more the pros. Great arm and quick release are positives -- but he probably has those through natural talent. Where has his game improved as a result of coaching? He has potential, but has he shown any evidence that he wants to reach it? His stats on a per pass basis improved a little between 2010 and 2011, but 2012 is basically the same. I'd like to see more growth. People don't change that much in terms of attitude and work ethic. If he hasn't shown a desire to improve his game so far, I think he is unlikely to be a good prospect for molding into a future franchise QB.